Hawkman: The CRAZIEST DC Character EVER!

[@WhistleMeThis]

Justice League The Animated Series handled it best: - Thanagarian space-cop Katar-Hol crash-lands on Earth in prehistoric Egypt. - Becomes a god/founding monarch of Egypt. - Dies and is reincarnated as archaeologist Carter Hall in the modern day. This would be the perfect origin to adapt in a Hawkman movie.

[@luxfyre]

I was gonna make this comment

[@agustinleal2556]

Aren't there two Hawk-men in JLAU?

[@legoking6165]

I'd prefer a Hawkgirl movie instead. I just like her a lot more.

[@Luis-kg3vv]

@@agustinleal2556 no one of them was just an alien the other one found a hammer or something and turned to hawkman

[@weeeeee4844]

Then who's hro talak

[@jiphrrr557]

Ugh, my head hurts...also, is it just me, or does the emblem on the Hawkman costume look like a bird version of the symbol from Thundercats?

[@tonyd8349]

Jiphrrr mind blown, same thing with Red Robin I guess

[@thatnamelessguy4011]

It does

[@gabrielp9646]

Actually, thundercats look like Hawkman, not the other way arround...

[@yesiamwinningdad5024]

Hawkman came first

[@MrAmhara]

@@adamsifford6228 Hoooooo!!!!

[@pious83]

So the Justice League cartoon used both origins, kind of. The Space Cop origin for Hawk Girl while tying in the Egyptian reincarnation stuff when they later introduced Hawk Man.. I think.

[@nonaerenada]

+pious83 Yes and that version is my preference. But in the end it turned out Hawk Girl was a sleeper agent for thanagar to conquer earth. But she defected in the end so its all good now

[@FeatheredCrow]

+pious83 Wasn't Hawkman a villain from another planet and Batman had to crash the Watchtower into his base?

[@pious83]

***** No that was another Hawk..man. The legit Carter Hall "Hawk Man" was introduced later. I think even as late as Justice League Unlimited.

[@popeye697]

+FeatheredCrow that was Hro Talak. and even though rearranging those letters gets you Karat Hol, it's still A different character. Carter shows up later in justice league unlimited

[@sophiawilson8696]

+Nonae Renada that Justice League canon not the comics.

[@purplegamingstuff4077]

When you asked what's your fave Hackman at the end I'm like "I don't remember cause that was so damn confusing"

[@SalamandersRCool]

+PurpleGamingStuff I guess my favorite is Gene Hackman because I don't know any others.

[@juliusvillamater3534]

PurpleGa mingStuff

[@gonk4509]

PurpleGamingStuff Who’s hackman

[@chaosbringer82]

1:40 I love that that little nod was what basically doomed the character. it made him at once too similar and too different to the Golden Age character. So when Crisis came along and DC wanted to create one definitive universe they couldn't just treat the two Hawkmen as the same guy like they did with Superman and Batman because their origins were too contradictory. But they also couldn't just have them be 2 separate guys like with Flash and Green Lantern because then you'd end up with 2 guys with the same name, same costume, and same powers while also having basically nothing to do with each other.

[@emperormegaman3856]

I had never considered it until now, but that's right !

[@TushantMirchandani]

Damn, I wish I could pitch a better Hawkman story to DC...

[@lightdotogam4734]

Imagine if they Re-Reboot DC to fix Hawk Man...

[@lightdotogam4734]

Imagine if they Re-Reboot DC to fix Hawk Man...

[@xenoherder6491]

I think carter hall just needs to be crazy, so he might be an alien might not be.

[@gabrielp9646]

Hawkman doesn´t needs "fixing..." Hawkworld was everything the character needed.

[@ervingarcia874]

I want to do the same thing bud

[@riccardir13]

Here is what Hawkmans origin story should be combining both origins. Katar and Shaira are from thanagar a militaristic police state race of winged people where they serve as cops. They chase down the shape shifting criminal to earth and crash land in ancient egypt. The egyptians believe Hawkman to be the living embodiment of Horus the god of justice and vengance, Katar and Shaira eventually find and kill the shapeshifter, but instead of trying to return to thanagar they decide to become rulers of egypt seeing the potential in humans and because they were tired of their status on thanagar. They rule for years but are struck down by the egyptian gods who only tolerated their impersonations for so long because of the good they brought to egypt but eventually got fed up with it since they seemed like they would rule forever (thanagar biology makes them live longer than humans) and because they started imposing thanagar ideals that would rule out the need for egyptian gods. The only thing that saves their souls is the goddess Isis who admires their love for each other and because it reminds her of her love for her husband Osiris thus she allows them to be reincarnated throughout time as humans, but the egyptian gods still impose the punishment that the reincarnations will always meet a brutal end and that though they may find true happiness it will not last for long. not sure what to do with nth metal probably just the stuff their ship was made out off.

[@HammersOfSpectacus]

riccardir13 I came up with something similar! That was great though.

[@braithgnuelz947]

pitch this to DC

[@dunamisempologus782]

I can believe in this. I prefer...

[@UmisTsukishiro00]

This is good stuff! DC should take notes!

[@GustCative]

I love it

[@jasontscott-west6037]

I like the reincarnated Egyptian better.

[@gabrielp9646]

@Jason T Scott-West I have just two words for you: Read Hawkworld.

[@allmightlionthunder5515]

Annunaki

[@jalenikezeue4114]

Jason T Scott-West I agree the hole Reincarnated Egyptian is awesome

[@jayku1624]

Agreed

[@johnnysizemore5797]

@Jason T Scott-West -- i don't know. While the Reincarnated Egyptian has a better character backstory(Cursed by a rival is always intresting), the Alien Cop had a better reason to be a hero, as it was literally his job. It even had an intresting moral subplot, as Thangar used a Cerebro-like device that scanned people's minds in order to predict who was going to commit a crime. The Reincarnated Egyptian's main subplot involved trying to break their cycles of Cursed Reincarnation. While he wasn't a BAD character overall, i always felt the Cop was a better version imho.

[@NerdSyncProductions]

What. The. Actual. Poop.

[@insxmniac3616]

Ikr

[@insxmniac3616]

Ikr

[@wah8974]

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[@bryansteele832]

I thought Hawkworld was pretty good for the most part. Got kinda stupid later

[@JTmaxx]

Hawkman is one of the most confusing characters in DC, However One of my favorite. I like the modern one the most but, I would love to see this character get a movie.

[@gabrielp9646]

I like Hawkworld better.

[@futuresuccess93]

Well you got your wish cuz black Adam is coming out soon and Hawkman will be played by aldis hodge and black Adam will be played by Dwayne Johnson . Thank me now . 🤪

[@bob74h67]

Idk, I think comic characters are better suited to animation or comics Having a grown man wearing a bird mask and wings would just look silly irl

[@DepressedRabbit20]

​@@bob74h67You watched Black Adam yet? Shouldn't be that hard to update his look *IF* and I mean *IF* he actually gets a movie or show.

[@XX-sp3tt]

The Scooby-Doo meets DC Heroes comic actually did a passable job of presenting a concise and simplified origin. Basically, the whole cycle of reincarnation thing still happens, and the Thanagarians are simply their latest incarnation.

[@UmisTsukishiro00]

I prefer Reincarnating Egyptian Hawkman and Hawkgirl. It has room for story-worthy complications, but still simple enough to understand.

[@TheJohno95]

I absolutely LOVE the comment: "You know something is too confusing when they won't even let Grant Morrison touch it." *lol* As far as my favorite Hawkman: I would say both Pre-Crisis ones....I was a huge fan of Carter Hall and I had no problem with Katar Hol, either. I would have to swing toward Carter, though. Yes, I'm old school.

[@fitzy9099]

This is the sort of nonsense in comics that annoys me. All the retcons and reboots make following some characters really hard to follow. I still love comics, but this is always a problem when trying to start reading about another character.

[@gabrielp9646]

Naah... That´s a mistake many "rookie" comicbook fans make. The only thing you need to "follow" a character like Hawkman its to read Hawkworld. Then, you can read another era, and you may like it or not. And if you don´t like it, you just stop reading it. My point is: Comicbooks are not a drama, YOU are the drama here xDxD

[@Ethanyount]

But like... I can read post Crisis Batman without having to artificially say “well I’ll read everything but I’m going to just ignore this, this and this.” I like Hawkman, probably more then the next guy, but he’s has no easy entry point.

[@j.m.6733]

Hey I'm from the future. These Hawk shenanigans just got worse with the arrival of Hawk Tuah, the ultimate villain from the Hawk multiverse

[@XX-sp3tt]

I just figured that the Hawks' cycle of reincarnation was a simplistic way to explain the different versions. And their love is so stubborn and eternal that it powers the Main Lantern Battery of the Star Sapphires!

[@mismismism]

And... This is exactly why comics need o stop being so afraid to let characters die or TRULY be rebooted, if you reboot an origin to fix a character but then set up a universe in which reboots don't actually exist and the screwed up versions are still there it just confuses things more. They really need to find a way to close off certain stories, or just stop overlapping multiverses cuz the more reboots that come out the worse it will become, multiverse crossovers are starting to become the new time travel, either it works or it screws things up with all kinds of unanswerable questions and paradoxes.

[@bogganstoryteller]

+Comic Drake I dare you to simply explain the New 52 Hawkman. That comic was a MESS! Any other version, shy of the 90s merged one, is easier to explain.

[@09seabelle]

Maxx Nieves yo

[@kitsune2146]

Dude I totally agree with you, that's exact statement that is my mind. Especially the Supermen stuff

[@farzaanhussain901]

Reincarnated Egyptian 4 da win.

[@CaptainMexico-dq3cv]

Hawkman is one of my favs and his Egyptian design is better than the rest

[@TroubledGothMime]

I personally find it hard to believe all these Egyptian ppl in comics are always reincarnated into some blonde hair blue eyed white man

[@Navek15]

Dark Nights: Metal seems to be doing a good job not only simplifying Hawkman's Origin (Being the Egyptian prince Khufu who found the Thanagarian technology and then cursed with reincarnation), but making him a major player in the DCU's history and cosmology. And I am so pumped for his ongoing series in June!

[@hobbitbobbitt]

whichever version was represented by the Super Powers figure in the 80s. I loved that guy.

[@lizardguyNA]

Well, as Hawkman would no doubt say "Hey, at least I'm not Aquaman."

[@Grizabeebles]

My favorite version of Hawkman was the DCAU version: Archeologist gets his brain zapped by an ancient Thanagarian space diary and starts THINKING he's a perpetually-reincarnating Thanagarian space cop. --You get to have your cake and watch it fall on the floor in disappointment too.

[@50n0fGod20]

Nah..

[@JosephWolfson]

As of now, he is now an angel that is forced to reincarnate to atone for sins of the past.

[@punkpinata7062]

Me: Ughh Hawkman is so complicated, why can't they just... keep it simple. It's so annoying. Also me: HAWKMAN IS SO COOL YAHHHH

[@tadangolla]

They need to reboot Hawkman and put him in the DC Cinematic Universe, I always thought he was awesome

[@mysticalmonotreme]

I must be a super-nerd because I never had a problem with keeping up with Hawkman. Hard to say what would be my favourite incarnation; I'm a bit of a Silver Age aficionado so I have a weakness for the Silver/Bronze Age Katar and Shayera Hol (The Shadow War of Hawkman is very underrated.) Then there was the "incarnated" Carter Hall from 2001 to Blackest Night, who was a badass and streamlined the character to and extent. Then there was the Hawkman that appeared in the third season of Justice League Unlimited who synthesized the reincarnated Pharaoh/Thanagarian versions, with the John Stewart love triangle thrown in. The CW version seems like a major jerk, though. Then again, Hawkman was not always the most likeable person in the comics either.

[@conscious_competence3703]

I m3an, he wasn't too much of a jerk🙄.

[@rcbmmines4579]

Robert Vendetti's Rebirth Hawkman run actually did a great job fixing everything. Maybe you can make a video on that?

[@bluespaceman7937]

He should, it cleaned the character up nicely.

[@luciusnetheril]

...I actually liked more what JLU did with Hawkman and Hawkgirl

[@mechmaster315]

Carter Hall lately has been brought back and his storyline involves him searching through his reincarnation history

[@bryansteele832]

Hawkworld was fucking awesome. For the first time the character made sense.

[@TheGregmanPL]

Actualy Geoff Johns fixed Hawkman in JSA. He established that Nth Metal and his love for Shey-Ara (fuck, I'll never write it correctly) made him and her reincarnate. So... Every version of him is his reincarnation. Because comics. And that version that was summoned on Thanagar by Hawkgirl has the memories of not only Katar, but also EVERY INCARNATION. He probably chose to call himself Carter, because JSA remembered Carter. Also Kendra (Hawkgirl) had some (not all, like her bae) memories of only Shiera Saunders, so he became her former lover to help her regain memories.

[@PewPew_McPewster]

That's great, but wanna get even more obscure and confusing? In the Golden Ages, Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman had a child named Hippolyta Trevor, who, since her parents kept getting retconned in and out of love, then also got retconned left, right and center herself until she ended up wed to a man named Hector Hall, who, as you've said, is the son of one of the Carter Halls. They had a child named Daniel Hall, who, *SPOILER ALERT*, TOOK OVER MORPHEUS'S MANTLE AS THE SECOND DREAM. Moral of the Story? Parents who get heavily retconned, have children who get heavily retconned.

[@EricRandhel-np3tr]

If she don't give you the hawk tuah you don't talk tuah.

[@otterwithagun1982]

Me: What's the origin of Hawkman? DC: Yes. No......... Yes.

[@rolyngeorges9839]

I like da Egyptian version.

[@jasrajkhatra7186]

Rolyn Georges same

[@gabrielp9646]

@Rolyn Georges Just two words for you: Read Hawkworld.

[@Mr.Magic4ever]

I like Hawkman and Hawkgirl better when they are from Thanagar.

[@MaxWelton]

6:13 this fuckery would be easier to understand if the various Hawkpeople were simply time-displaced reincarnations of each other, but nooooo. Space cops were in vogue during the 60s or whatever.

[@huh4346]

New52 hawkman ftw the way his armor comes out of his skin is badass

[@doujinloverXD]

Imagine an update of this oh the headaches!

[@djmaydraws3862]

Update this bro. DC Rebirth made post crisis and new 52 the same universe. The current hawkman comic consolidates this ALL. Simply by saying the space hawkman and the earth hawkman are the same person. The explanation is that carter hall is reincarnated across time AND space. Their were hawkmen all over the universe, including on Krypton... all still the same man

[@Kill3rrockstar]

wow and i thought powergirl's origin was confusing

[@Kill3rrockstar]

Also Black Canary's is a little like this because the whole her mom's (the first Black Canary) mind being shoved into her body because comics

[@hexum7]

+Alexander Palmer yeah. I know. So the daughter had memories of being banged by her dad. Creepy

[@ohimleyesh4866]

Space Cop, Thanagarian Hawk is the best.

[@johnathonmaxwell6760]

i prefer the Egyptian origin story of Carter Hall as Hawkman to him been a space cop. Best example of this been notbin comics but in Smallville in latr series that do the character justice

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Uh... dude, most of my Hawk person history comes from tha Justice League cartoon...

[@kelangreeneye]

should have just left him as the reincarnated Egyptian and let Carter Hall function as part of DC's mystic characters, things got needlessly complicated when they turned him into an alien.

[@Lag1914]

You missed another origin story. Originally Katar-Hol's name was Gene Hawkman who was also a cop chasing down a French heroin smuggler

[@Wyattoons]

SO MANY HAWKS

[@TupocalypseShakur]

Brian Hitch just said most of them are the same guy. He reincarnated across space and time, even going back in time

[@leonardokim]

That's exactly why I consider Hawkman a wasted opportunity. Seriously, he could be as badass as the Thor from Marvel, or even more. With egyptian origins (or kinda), he got Nth metal, super strength, speed and flight. And some mythical magic stuff. And technology. And he dates Shiera. The guy is awesome. If only they could stop doing it that confusing...

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Hands down, the alien space cop origin as told by Tim Truman in Hawkworld.

[@OMGSAMCOPSEY]

Ive always liked the JLU animated origin. That it was ancient alien technology that replayed memories and drove him in to thinking he was reincarnated.

[@NobleRaider2747]

but it really was true

[@tompatterson1548]

Just make him an alien space cop and also the reincarnation of an egyptian prince.

[@ndsb5183]

Good thing DC hasn't decided to retcon his origin in their latest event or anything.

[@brianhanna7337]

Alien Space Cop is my preferred Hawkman origin story.

[@wargeneralbonez]

Hawkman is technically just a walking punching bag

[@Abominatrix650]

At least they kept him simple in the Black Adam movie

[@Merrsharr]

What about the DCAU version? You know, the Archeologist who believed himself to be the reincarnation of a space-cop who crashlanded in ancient Egypt

[@ClintLowe]

the best origin is the space cop

[@piccolo56000]

actually the new 52 one is OK. not that bad , well done .

[@ssbbdudes]

alien space cop

[@toyboimaniac1661]

They should just merge the two origins and have him be part of the Thanigar police force who ends up in earth on some mission and discovers some sort of prophecy which let him know that his soul was in fact the reincarnation of a man from earth hundreds of years prior and that by coincidence his other half Hawkgirl is also on earth how reincarnated as a human. Idk. That’s my own head canon. I find both origins interesting in their own way and would like someone to make them work together.

[@mac_pls]

The reincarnation storyline is less confusing and silly than the alien origin. They should keep that.

[@drewtodd4129]

I liked the Geoff John's version. Carter is an accomplished but torn man. Katar Hol was the same way.

[@pictonomii3295]

Wait, I just read Dark Knights Metal, and Carter Hall was in that comic.

[@RariYork]

Hawkman must have cycled back around and reincarnated into Carter Hall again.

[@lonemotheo1964]

Alien space cop

[@brokenwave6125]

Hawkman should simply be the reincarnated Egyptian version and that's it. That alone is interesting and complicated enough in itself

[@HammersOfSpectacus]

Broken Wave But then Rann and Thanagar couldn't go to war.

[@comicfanty7958]

I know it's histories of characters like this that make people not like comic books, but it's a lot easier to sum up characters like this. Hawkman: A superhero with a girlfriend that are resurrected after they die and meet again in the next life. Booster Gold: Time traveling superhero. Jonah Hex: Western Anti-hero with a scarred face. It's not really all that hard.

[@Ghostlyking-tc3vu]

The Egyptian Origin is my favorite version

[@MaxWelton]

5:36 wait…was this version of Hawkgirl Charlie’s mother? I genuinely don’t remember. It’s gross either way

[@joshuaingobo1559]

Sharon Parker (the sleeper agent Hawkgirl who appeared in issues of JLI) was Charley Parker’s mother, not Kendra Saunders.

[@randomusername3445]

my god DC has got to get their continuity problems together.

[@bambubambubambu1194]

All this makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.

[@thomashowarth2638]

I like the golden age origins a lot, its cool and original, space cop feels too over done, between greenlantern and Martian manhunter, lovin the vids man Keep it up

[@thrashc1252]

I prefer the space cop myself I also prefer when the wings are just part of his body

[@oscarrivas6879]

Space cop sounds more interesting and less convoluted so I like that origin more

[@kevinmarques7716]

Reincarnated Egyptian has always been my favorite Hawkman.

[@mattheussaenz5363]

So thats why Hawkgirl is so much more popular, which for me it was always weird because Hawkman was the first, and for a long time I thought it was because JL Animated who made Hawkgirl more popular But NOOOO, he has multiple origins, multiple identities, massive retcons AND EVEN DC THEMSELVES NOT ALLOWING WRITERS TO USE HIM. Holy shit

[@foxymetroid]

They normally share the same origin story. When Carter's a murdered prince, she's a murdered princess. When he's a space cop, so is she.

[@dupersuper1938]

Personally, I just put Hawkworld back with all the other origin stuff (Man of Steel, Batman Year One, etc.), ignoring the poor editorial decision to make it take place with the modern day comics of the time and leaving Carter as the JSA/WW2 Hawkman and Katar as the JL/modern Hawkman, then consider the spy a plot limited just to the Invasion cross-over (head cannon!).

[@breakbones47]

I love how the answers to every DC continuity problem is…let’s just call it magic! Yay! 🤣🤣

[@peterzarcone9048]

Silver Age because Gardner Fox and he's friends with Adam Strange.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

Robert Venditti is doing the best Hawkman.

[@michaelcarter9395]

Thangar Forever...

[@thenoirknight5729]

Reincarnated Egyptian

[@arbaaz9992]

Reincarnated Egyptian for sure

[@rakwonwilliams5899]

Can you make a video on Alan Scott

[@stephengorin2685]

I think without question, the limited series "Hawkworld" and the subsequent series was the finest of all of Hawkman's various and disconnected Hawkman origin stories. I cannot understand why DC had to screw with it again. Hawkman is the most abused character DC has created. The "Hawkworld" series with Karmtar's metal wings and usage of real weapons such as guns was the finest and should either still be published or dropped all together, sparing Katar his ongoing abuse and apparwnt lack of respect for a great character.

[@bdscavenger]

the thanagarian hawkman is the best

[@InhumanFan98]

Zero hour: crisis in time tried to make his origin make sense by fusing all of the versions of hawkman together. Which didnt help then dark nights metal acted like the jla didnt know hawkman in that reboot dispite them working together

[@mdstevens0612]

That was rather interesting and informative, you have my like and subscribe, good sir.

[@sophiawilson8696]

The Golden-age Hawks who born in ancient Egypt and they keep reincarnating.

[@quazirej1998]

Sometimes it just seems like the Silver Age of Comics will never die. Crazy as that may seem.

[@nightwing2226]

I like the space cop version.

[@DarkINsides06]

Alien space cop was more interesting to than reincarnated Egyptian Pharaoh because the reincarnation stuff seem worn out and boring.

[@bleedinggreennationbleedin9342]

DarkINsides06 I agree.

[@conibal5045]

Okay I haven't read the comics and I had literally no idea who Hawkman even was before this, but you explained it in a way that made it not as confusing as I expected. I couldn't explain it though if you asked me.

[@donovanlarsen7982]

The thing is, as of the debut of Dark Days: The Forge, Hawkman has now become even crazier due to being integral figure who apparently founded some sort of hawk cult seemingly in order to fight some Lovecraftian Batmen.

[@ronaldmcheartattack2354]

Space cop Hawkman is really cool, Hawkworld miniseries could be a movie. I think they should’ve done hawkworld but when he went after byth and landed on earth it would’ve been in ancient Egypt and then they could’ve introduced the reincarnation mind wiping stuff.

[@Penguin_Tree]

Before this vid I basically knew nothing about him but thought he had some quatum jump/ reincarnation thing and thats what made him complicated

[@conservaduck7298]

Something tells me dc is trying to put all the non sensual parts of comics into hawk man.

[@misterbplays]

... wow , and actually I was a fan of the egyptian carter hall. But over all as far as DC went, I really enjoyed Justice League & Justice League Unlimited. But i was never a fan of how they tried to blend the alien & reincarnation hawkman in the series.