Hazbin Hotel Episode 6 Reaction | Welcome to Heaven

[@Coffemore63]

Love the fact that Angel Dust almost started a Civil War without even knowing about it

[@ericjohnson6120]

Husk actually played the I'm-not-angry-I'm-disaapointed card and it worked.

[@GirlofCulture]

Indeed. What actually..(Not everyone likes to hear that..) makes me dislikes Cherribomb a lot.. i mean this is real, if you have strong emotional problems, issues, disorders, mental illness in generel, also he drinks and drugs anyway.. but you really want to get better, feel better.. you need to get rid of these kind of friends who try to drag you back into this shit...

[@thateye49]

​@@GirlofCulture Yep, L Cherribomb. Husk was disappointed on Angel and we are disappointed on Cherri.

[@timemonkey]

@@thateye49 In Cherri's defense, she has no idea Angel is genuinely trying to improve himself or that these are his friends until near the end of the episode. She knows how much his life sucks and that partying and drugs are his escape from the pain and this is how they've dealt with it for decades. She was trying to help in the way they usually do and didn't realize the situation had changed. Basically she was a bad influence by accident.

[@thateye49]

@@timemonkey Good point.

[@paulmurphy3023]

Emily is a wonderful character and her duet with Charlie was so well done. "If Hell is forever, then Heaven must be a lie." Is such a good line and it was great seeing them stand up together on that point.

[@GirlofCulture]

But i think Emma is also a pretty cute name for her, just like Bethany said :>

[@paulmurphy3023]

@@GirlofCulture I agree, it definitely is

[@Raideortega]

It was funny seeing Bethany's entire posture change when Lute and Adam started singing. Just immediate arms crossed and scowl.

[@remmy3571]

Biblically, pretty much all of Adam's purpose is to name things. That's what he does. He gives things names. Thus, it's not a far stretch to assume he named the exorcists since they're *his* army. This is all to say that Vaggie being pronounced Vah-jee and being based on vagina is HIGHLY likely.

[@renimusprime]

I love Molly’s cameo in the episode. Even if she’s there for a brief moment it’s nice that Angel Dust’s sister is there.

[@Outrider85]

There is no confirmation of that. Until it is stated she is just a background character with a vaguely similar design.

[@bluepearl2836]

​@@Outrider85 it was confirmed, and Blake Roman even talked about that Easter egg

[@IAmScared.]

That's literally her, have you seen the old speedpaints????

[@skyedestiny]

Okay, I get the idea of 'not everything conceptualized before the series began airing is still canon', but *come on*. There are some things that are self-explanatory.

[@earthsigngoddess]

@@Outrider85It was confirmed.

[@mifoon8727]

Adan’s sidekick is Lute. Which is literally just short for lieutenant cause he’s that lazy with names

[@mrsfahrenheit]

lol you're right 😂

[@Gogeta166]

Nah, it’s probably because he would’ve played a lute. Guitars didn’t exist yet.

[@daysand123]

I thought it was because it sounded close to lewd. I mean. He named Vaggie after his favorite thing.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

Guys? Lute is a Bible character…

[@mifoon8727]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 your moms a bible character

[@ImpeccableZentertainment]

"If hell is forever then heaven must be a lie" is one of the coolest lines. Also i wonder who Bethany hates more Adam from Hazbin or Adam from RWBY

[@troikas3353]

I think Sera genuinely doesn’t know the rules to how Heaven and Hell function, so she is forcibly trying to maintain the status quo any way she can because it works for her and the people she cares about. If Hell grows powerful enough to try and change things, or if people in Heaven start asking questions and enacting change themselves, it risks violating some hidden rule and could cause them to fall. She’s kind of the embodiment of how privileged people fear change because the current system works just fine for them even though they know others are suffering under it.

[@johnbowersox738]

Define irony. The gambling overlord who used to deal in souls is the best influence and a really good friend.

[@macaylacayton2915]

rosie is also a good example, that's all I say

[@Vintagegaston]

I’ve heard theories that Adam only got in because he had practically no opportunity to sin. Who was there to lust over? Be envious of? There was nothing to covet.

[@lucaselchidoris4637]

Eve was there to lust over. He could have been prideful, etc.

[@BGTitanAvatar]

Thinking back to Vaggie’s lines in Whatever It Takes, those definitely hit differently now that we have context. “When I saw your face, you made me feel like a stranger in a brand new place, and it felt so good to be understood, there’s so much that I wish I could say.” So Vaggie’s love language is Acts of Service, which makes sense seeing as she was in the Exorcist army, where you’re literally just trained to follow orders and that’s your whole worth. So for her to lose all that, and then meet Charlie who is possibly the first person to show Vaggie true love and affection, of course she’s going to become undying loyal and devoted to her. That’s the only kind of love she knows how to give. Then there’s her making herself into armor/an inanimate object. I think Husk said it best. Vaggie hates herself and again, a lot of her self worth is tied into being the protector, the spear, the person who will make Charlie’s dreams a reality at the cost of herself if she has to. Which…. Frick me they really need to have a conversation about that, get this girl a therapist please. Also, unrelated, but for as much of a shit person Lute is…. I love her voice. Literally my favorite part of You Didn’t Know. 10/10 have listened to that specific part again and again.

[@flaminyawn]

Seriously, her level of attractiveness is completely wasted on such a craptacular genocidal bigot.

[@Ferdawoon]

It honestly just dawned on me that.. They know that characters (if not human souls then at least their own "natives") can move between the realms. Lucifer was an Angel but he questioned how things were and stepped out of line. So he was cast down. Meaning they know Angels can fall, or be deported from Heaven. Sera says it to Emily that she need to be careful or she might also be cast down.

[@GirlofCulture]

The thing about Adam can swear and Charlie cannot is probably the reason that Adam has earned this privilege through ..whatever he did (Probably some kind of hero/celebrity in heaven) ... but, just because he is allowed to do this, does not mean that Sera and the other higher angels, think this is okay. He does this anyway. And they said "Whatever"... He simply does it because of his narcissistic disorder... you can see that in his behavior... even when Sera spoke to him as his boss, he continued to sip his drink desrespectfully... he thinks the rules don't apply to him... and that's about the worst social behavior there is...

[@gamerbear84]

Also they're probably used to his potty-mouth over the millennia. lol

[@Zekeninja5607]

It is easier to understand why they were shocked in the Spanish dub as Charlie actually says and I quote “I shit on god”

[@crimsonknight7011]

That last song is my favorite of the series. Lute and Dick Master singing together was really good. Seeing the fire reflected in Sara’s eyes showing she has a dark side and her smile showing that she might actually enjoy the thought of the sinners being slaughtered and not just for population control. Then that duet of Em and Charlie was the best part of the whole thing.

[@johnbowersox738]

Seeing Charlie and Emily get pissed and damn near go beast mode was awesome!

[@hurin1]

Her name is Lute. Short for Lieutenant. Eve is currently missing. But as she ate the Apple she is likely in Hell. Which probably pissed her off a lot. Especially when Dickmaster Adam went to Heaven.

[@marikei2844]

I have a slight head-canon that Adam in this version of the Adam and Eve story didn't eat the apple with Eve. With it came knowledge, so perhaps Adam lacks basic understanding and is ultimately shameless as a result.

[@hurin1]

Psychologically speaking Adam has no superego. The superego watches over the ego and keeps it in check. Its where we hold onto rules and social docurm. He don't have that. He is a pure narcissist. All he has is his ego driving the vehicle.

[@GirlofCulture]

I think Niffty is actually some kind of a truly powerful being, who maybe trapped, or just like want to be this..half innocent-half-threatening being in hell, to try somehting else because she just likes to be something else.. If you're (what i am assuming) immortal...you don't wanna get bored. Also..no wonder she rips off some part from Valtentino.. he is a Moth-Demon... an insect.. she hunts and kill bugs and insects... ;)

[@GirlofCulture]

Facts Ken! Yeah, Koalas are super cute but their claws are dangerous and they are always grumpy.

[@Z-one1000]

Cute but not very bright. They only eat Eucalyptus leaves (which have almost no nutritional value) and they can't even recognize the leaves unless they're attached to a branch. Also baby koalas are fed a special feces from their mother's rectum called "pap". This specialized feces is full of gut-healthy bacteria that the baby koala will need to digest the leaves it will eat when it gets older.

[@TheCryptofHorrors-DerCryptaxis]

Adam's sidekicks name is Lute, she's like one of the wrathful red angels in mtg

[@AZDfox]

I could see her as a W/R Angel, with Adam being a B/G Human Angel, and they have Partner With each other for a W/B/R/G commander

[@temptationspiper]

Oh I LOVE that idea you mentioned, Charlie and Emily designing Purgatory, that is SUPER cool

[@tigershark94]

Think of it like this. Heaven is a Gated Community. Hell is ‘the wrong side of the tracks/the ghetto.’ Sera is the head of the HOA, and she is trying to keep ‘the wrong sort’ out of her community.

[@AZDfox]

But she's the head while also not knowing what the rules of the HOA actually are, and is just trying to not change anything

[@Ghost_R4cc00n]

14:47 Adam’s sidekick aka his lieutenant of the Exorcist Angel is name Lute. As Eve isn’t mentioned that much in the show as we have no clue on what happen to Eve. Also I like to share that I love Emi, as she is a bubbly and Charlie’s twin if she was in heaven 🥹 I also got to share that the amount of Sir Pent is getting either a W or L throughout this episode seems to make a thinking moment of him and Cherri bomb be a couple by how close he is getting to her 🤔 as let the snake have his time with his rival 😅 Oh yeah, during the singing part of “Welcome to Heaven” you get to see a Spider Girl that looks like Angel Dust. 😯 as it’s been confirmed that being Angel’s sister named Molly. As she was supposed to been in Hell during the pilot episode but scrapped to be in heaven. So it seems sweet to see her in animation for a long time in this series to let her shine.

[@GirlofCulture]

Angel Dust is the true hero of this show.. and i am sure by the end of this.. he will be redeemd. But Charlie and the others don't know (yet) how redemption works...if it's really necessary to die again in hell..to get to heaven...that means she loses all her friends.... and at some point she won't be able to take it anymore and so I think a bridge needs to be built...literally and figuratively. That heaven and hell in the end are just two realms between which each soul can travel back and forth... but to earn that a new realm must be created.... "Pugattory"... with Vaggie and Charlie as its queens...

[@Ghost_R4cc00n]

@@GirlofCulture you make good points right there

[@Osma777]

About the whole debate of angels falling while sinners rise... it's because in this show, it isn't actually about good and evil, it's about order and chaos. Lucifer didn't get sent to hell because he did something evil and terrible: it was because he broke the rules, he did something that didn't follow the order of heaven, and allowed humanity to do things that were against the law. Vaggie didn't do something evil by saving the young sinner... she did something against the rules. This is probably why no sinner has ever "ascended"; they do whatever they want, rather then following the order and strictures of heaven. And it's why Sara is worried about Elle, she's worried that her attempt at doing good will cause her to break the rules and get sent to hell.

[@Arkayjiya]

There seem to be a difference between heaven and hell and the rules though. Sir Pentious got to Heaven but it's not the rules that got him here since the rules were just confirmed to say "no sinner can ascend". It's people who sent Lucifer to hell, not the natural order, whatever that means.

[@hurin1]

So here is an important bit to note. Lucifer didn't fall. In fact none of the Angels fell. They were thrown by other Angels for disturbing their view of things. Lute tossed Vaggie because she disrupted their view that sinners deserve to be killed. The only beings that are manifesting in Heaven or Hell are the sinners. And even they can be picked up by an Angel and tossed into either realm. And despite how much it makes Sera's brain itch there is no time limit on how long they can be pulled up or tossed down. So Lucifer did not "fall" due to some cosmic balancing. He "fell" because he pissed off the other Angels and they yeeted him into Hell. They seem to be able to cut off an Angel's ability to get back into Heaven. It requires a portal. EIther that or the Angels just assume they will get yeeted again if they show up back in Heaven.

[@br4915]

i like the point you make at 16:40, if we look at helluva boss the first episode the teacher who lived a perfect life was sent to hell because of how she snapped. so it could be that one mistake even heat of the moment can sentence you to damnation, no matter how good of a person you were

[@annalisedonavan1758]

I like that you now have two Adams to hate

[@RazorbackX99]

Adam's sidekick is not Eve. Her name is Lute. She's just a regular exterminator angel, but also Adam's leutenant.

[@popteamepicbest539]

And lover 😏

[@gamerbear84]

Adam is SUCH a great heel. And no, Lute is not Eve. Though that'd be a twist. lol

[@playinghero9022]

adams and lutes part is so sick

[@johnbowersox738]

P.S. Adams sidekick is named Lute. She is Adams sub-commander in the angelic army.

[@Phoenixillusion18]

The lieutenant of the army ... I'l show myself out.

[@nayaavon5605]

You could see how into it Bethany got by her posture and facial expression

[@wxy7297]

6:04 best reference jkskjsakd cause alex brightman (adam) in school of rock musical sang ''Stick it to the man''...

[@Drudenfusz]

The Good Place is great, definitely in my top 5 best TV shows ever!

[@RedWizardFox]

Adams sidekick is named Lute.

[@cakekiller1051]

Adam carrying the episode like normal 😂

[@matthewbrown3194]

Adam partner name is lute just to let you know

[@madhavmandava]

And watching couples inloves that mouth gap in shock together shows a very very very interesting plot twist

[@SGTvolcan]

The whole heaven banning questions reminds me of the song Strange Highways by Dio. Questions? These are forbidden! We've got no answers.

[@arnoldvito9415]

That thumbnail was amazing 😂 (😮😯)

[@ericjohnson6120]

There's an Easter egg for those who know the lore in the "Welcome to Heaven" sequence. One of the angel's color schemes stands out and also has a familiar design. Do you want know more (might contain spoilers for a future season)?

[@Eloryan]

i want

[@chrisriley2321]

"Don't they all have herpes?" "Chlamydia " Why do you even know that?

[@МолчаливыйКлинок]

Better to know than to get Chlamydia.

[@marikei2844]

..Because it's good to be informed and educated?

[@chrisriley2321]

@marikei2844 Sure, but that's a weird random fact to know

[@corryjamieson3909]

​@@chrisriley2321 a banana is a type of berry.

[@chrisriley2321]

@corryjamieson3909 also useless except trivia but that's a fun fact at least

[@GirlofCulture]

Emily is like Charlie's counterpart in heaven and i am sure she will lead her own revolution from up there, to help Charlie down in hell, cause i think her kindness is true.. Sera's kindness and strong mommy leadership energy.. is also true, but still manipulative.. cause in the end.. she basically told Emily "Stay in your line.." and that was not a friendly hint, it was an order disguised by kindess... sounds weird..but you can get people what you want, if you tell them what they wanna hear.. but Eily saw the truth now and at least to me, not as naivé as Charlie at some point... and this is a big build-up for Season 2.

[@nstorm2415]

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that demons are still awful. Also sinners were bad people when they were alive. Angels dont know how people get to heaven because good souls simply appear at the gate and their names are in the book. Angels dont control who gets to heaven.

[@stancinatti8198]

@@nstorm2415literally the point I always try to make lmao

[@entropyZ]

Lucifer had already tried to make people's lives better once. Now it looks like Charlie will repeat his mistakes.

[@Omegafire17]

@@entropyZ Or has a chance for things to go right where he failed/gave up, even if they're only the start.

[@DarthDragon007]

@@nstorm2415 Well, we don't know how the entire system works. Helluva Boss showed that at the very least is crimes of passion get you into Hell, even if you were a decent person in life. But what about people who were forced and/or born into bad situations? Husk and Angel Dust are examples of those. What about suicide? And once you get into Hell, it's the strong thrive unfortunately, which only encourages people becoming bad and bad becoming worse.

[@divinedemon9076]

The good place is great, you’re gonna love it

[@GirlofCulture]

"The balance of the world can't be maintained forever" - Captain & Pirate King Gol D. Roger (One Piece)... and that goes for heaven and hell too.. we need a whole new concept for this... it's been the same for the last 10.000 years i guess... and to say it with Roger's words again.. "It is time to turn the world upside down"

[@DoomyRei]

Interesting I thought the angel all had faces like Adam

[@TriEdge7274]

I'd like to point out how Sera is not the villain here. She didn't want to agree to Adam's request for the Extermination. "I never would have agreed to your request if I had known it would bring trouble to our doorstep." "They were revolting! It is my job to do whatever is necessary to keep our people safe!" The look of remorse and guilt on her face when Emily confronts her. Sera was scared - an fellow Seraphim (another 6-winged angel and probably her brother) had fallen from heaven, a darkness/evil was now in the world she had helped create, and she was scared of what was happening. It's easy to manipulate others when they are consumed with fear and uncertainty. It also sounds like Sera still has a soft spot for Lucifer too - denying Charlie's request for an audience until her dad asked on her behalf.

[@alphajackal6648]

That doesn't really stop her from being a villain. Tons and tons of people do things they convince themselves are necessary that run blatantly contrary to how their morality would apply in other situations. In fact, the greater good is a common literary trope for a source of evil. Breaking your own morals to protect someone is still breaking your own morals, and points to a moral fault or an underdeveloped moral system. Even ignoring that, Sera's authoritarian tendencies combined with a willingness to sacrifice another people for the benefit of her own is a pretty villainous combination.

[@TriEdge7274]

@@alphajackal6648 Nah. That still doesn’t make her a villain. Even Good people can make bad decisions too, and isn’t this shows main premise that everyone deserves a second chance? But Her decision did not come from a place of hate, or to do evil, or to get revenge, etc. (That would be Adam who planned all this) And to this day she still does not like the Extermination. Since when is humility and regret emotions freely expressed in a “Villain”?

[@alphajackal6648]

@@TriEdge7274 Well, to be honest, I think good and bad are what you do, not what you are. You are a villain when you do villainous things. Allowing the extermination is sacrificing one population for another. This is villainous. While she signs off on it, she remains a villain. Redemption comes when she stops doing the bad thing and starts making up for it.

[@TriEdge7274]

@@alphajackal6648 Interesting take. So does that make anyone who has ever supported a war or conflict a villain? Even in the name of self preservation and defense of their loved ones?

[@alphajackal6648]

@@TriEdge7274 Immediate self defense is not the same beast as routine exterminations of a population meant to prevent a rebellion of a subjugated people.

[@joshuatitsworth9190]

The Good Place is possibly my favorite show. I don't even care if you react to it, just glad you are watching it. Both these show have the same general message, reformation over punishment. Also if you think you like Nifty now then I can't wait until the last episode.

[@richardkutsera4992]

Also, hope you do not mind double comments, but an interesting fact about the Exorcist angels (not confirmed 100% tho): they cover up their right eye with the X, so that they do not feel affection thus remorse. : It is inspired by a Bible verse. "If thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee(Mathew 5:29; 18:9). The left eye is the intellectual, but the right eye is its affection: that the right eye is to be plucked out means that the affection is to be subdued if it causes stumbling." - They "subdue their affection" to be remorseless killers. Soooo, in that memory scene, Vaggie was completely without her mask, when she chased the Cannibal kid...thus she felt remorse. I am wondering if she pulled her mask off before, already feeling remorse and quesitoning extermination, thinking about it at home before, OR it was a sudden, unprecendented moment of affection/ remorse right there, because she have lost her mask somewhere. The latter is more tragic, and explains her hesitation to tell Charlie about being an Exorcist a bit better, I guess.

[@Eloryan]

That's a good point. Thanks for pointing that out !

[@richardkutsera4992]

@@Eloryan yeah, Im not actually sure the show's writer has it this deeply thought out tho. This is just my take, what I would do with this plotpoint.

[@Eloryan]

@@richardkutsera4992 It could be, she is capable of that

[@gremalien]

I think the angel with Adam is named Lute for lieutenant and I haven’t really paid attention to their origins but it seems like Adam names all the lady angels. Makes me wonder if they were born in heaven like imps in hell And isn’t Adam cheating on Eve a lot since all he ever talks about is the rock style lifestyle

[@JustCallMeDija]

You know what I just realized? Sera probably wasn't the one who suggested the extermination on Hell, as she stated: She wouldn't have agreed to it. Doesn't really justifies the fact that she let it happen to begin with.

[@KurvaNedaSeSemNicDat]

Eve was the one who accepted the apple from Lucifer so she most likely isnt in heaven unlike Dickmaster

[@chandlerbraeden9317]

Her name is lute

[@Edmqueen]

adams side kick is lute

[@acor7d172]

Adam is the first man. All he had to do is simply die to be in heaven. Also we don't know what Adam was like when he was human. Maybe all the things on the checklist he did do. He could've changed into the person he is now over time because he was the first man and can't be kicked out of heaven. Even if he acts like a dick he can't be kicked out.

[@richardkutsera4992]

Where is Eve than tho? They obviously both ate the Fruit, because Charlie says it gave them the "gift of free will" - I'd say Adam has free will, so he must have also ate it.

[@acor7d172]

@@richardkutsera4992 We actually don't know that. Charlie says Adam wanted control when it was just him and Lilith so he might not have. Not to mention we only saw Eve eat the apple that Lucifer gave her, I doubt Adam would willing listen to Lucifer to so we don't know. Alas we also don't know what happened to Eve. She could be in hell or was exterminated since she ate the fruit.

[@richardkutsera4992]

@@acor7d172 If Adam did not eat the fruit that would mean he does not have free will! Does he look like/act like someone without free will? Even just the fact that for some reason he is wearing a scary holo-face black mask an horns on his head all the time because he likes to (I guess), even tho he is supposed to keep it a secret that they are doing something as horrible as the exterminations - tells how much free will he has.

[@acor7d172]

@@richardkutsera4992 I see your point, but we never saw Adam eating the apple. Lucifer just stole Eve from Adam basically. Unless there is some undeniable proof I think he didn’t eat the apple. However that doesn't mean after all these years in Heaven he realized he could do what he wants. I'm just suggesting that he didn’t get free will from the apple since chances are he would've been in hell or something.

[@hurin1]

@@richardkutsera4992 Eve is likely in Hell and pissed at everyone. Especially Lucifer and Adam. Adam has no superego. The Apple gave people the sense of right and wrong. Something to governor their psyche. Adam didn't get that. But he got a free pass to Heaven due to not eating the Apple. He is the purest form of Narcissist you can ?hope? for. He is just pure ego and self centered. He has no governor.

[@johnbowersox738]

BTW, I've got $50 on Niffty (that even rhymes)!

[@gaziza5078]

I love Adam

[@whateverDoesnt_matter]

Love the good place

[@John.Fitzgerald.Kennedy]

11:28 **visible disgust**

[@mattikotiranta6909]

1 thing I hate in this reaction that you decides to cut best part of it off for youtube...aka If Hell is Forever then Heaven Must be A lie, if Angels can Whateverand remain in the Sky....1 of the Best scenes/saying/ etc.etc. that I have heard

[@thedarkknight2221]

*“If Hell is forever then Heaven must be a lie, if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky, the rules are shades of gray when you don’t do as you say when you make the wretched suffer just to kill them again”* Truer words have never been sung. If angels can fall then why can’t demons rise? I would never want to go to any afterlife where they are so elitist and bigoted that even if a demon lived up to their standards they still couldn’t be allowed in.

[@elevate07]

5:14 Actually it's "Dickmaster"

[@ETERNVLLVLLVBY]

Ken looks like Steve Carell

[@Z-one1000]

I feel like your earlier Hazbin reactions weren't as heavily edited as this one. Did something change?

[@ShadowExtremeEX8]

Most likely this episode gave more trouble with copyright. They don’t cut out any points when they talk only when they aren’t talking so nobody’s missing much

[@angelmillet1314]

The second who works with adam is Lute and she is as horrible as adam Xd

[@popteamepicbest539]

They’re perfect for each other

[@Andrew1990M]

Between this and RWBY, DND fans called Adam are having a bad time.

[@louvena]

Vaggie ! ❤❤❤❤❤

[@supattreewatanawong5025]

I don't think redemption are up to any heaven angel at all there job is only take care of soul that get to heaven it show us that they/Sera don't even know redemption is possible or not so Sera court decide not wrong just Angel do good thing for 5 minut is not enough evidence that he redeem

[@jadecloverx]

i was like #666 😎

[@leahus2976]

Can you watch Demon Slayer?

[@thefmx001]

im sure adam deserved to enter heaven at the time of his death and im sure that all the sinners where awful ppl at the time of there death , but the current system does not account for growth and change of ppl after death

[@graveyardshift2100]

Adam ruins everything

[@GirlofCulture]

... I don't want to offend any religious feelings... but that has always been my biggest problem with this faith... Bethany and i are on the same page i guess. Never asking questions, always being good, always doing what is asked of you for the vague hope that you might be rewarded in the afterlife? That's a nice bet you've made there >_< And I say no. And I mean F*CK NO.! By the way do you know a person in your life, that always do the right thing? No? Wonder why... That's not free will, that's not goodness, that's control through fear... because this religion teaches especially children "You shouldn't learn for yourself what is right and what is wrong... but only... if you do this or that... then you will be punished"...

[@GirlofCulture]

@@JH24821 Indeed. But through Charlie's actions and emotions..some character actuall get to heaven.. maybe the very first redeemd soul ever. This will be a big thing in heaven.. and thats the first step of revolution.

[@Omegafire17]

I feel it's as much a reflection of certain people's forcing such views on others (ie, corrupt religious figures) rather than solely the religion(s) itself, but otherwise fair. I grew up religious-adjacent; core family wasn't particularly while many others were, but also weren't the type to say that we had to be or anything pushy. And I am fine with the general concept of Heaven and Hell, but as I've gotten older, some of the specifics/implications of the faith have troubled me. Namely the eternal aspect; to borrow a phrase from Remy, "Change *is* nature, [Dad]". So, what? People who die just become eternally happy/damned? Eventually, too long/much of anything has to become boring... and for Hell especially, that's troubling. Eventually even the most heinous crimes have to have an end to the punishment, or else you end being punished for nothing after a certain point. Not to mention, what about those people who legitimately change for the better (or in Heaven's case, worse)? Do they just stay in the afterlife they were assigned forever? Do they not have a chance for a second life on earth, either period or because they went to Hell? ^Tl;dr, the faith is fine as a concept, but it's particulars/views have largely remained unchanged even into the modern age. So, imo, I think it needs revising to allow for a more open-ended take than it currently is

[@Z-one1000]

I never cared about things like "faith" because I always saw it as an excuse to squash critical thinking. As for free will, that is an illusion created by our sense of self-autonomy. And even if it were a real thing, if there was some omnipotent, omniscient being it would render any free will we have pointless.

[@Nightmarekurumi666]

A lot of people think Emily will fall at some point as in this episode she started questioning heaven which is what lucifer did. No one with Adam is called lute