HDMI 2.1 Functionality in Denon X-Series Receivers

[@khobia2]

Thanks for setting the matter straight Audioholics and Phillip. Nuff said.

[@lennymarinez]

Omg. You guys really broke it down for me. Thank you so much. I’m buying the 2020 Denon 2700h this weekend.

[@bostonquad2068]

Yeah but you got to remember the bug problem with Xbox series X you need that box to run it unless you're using e Ark

[@lucgagnon7169]

Is this AVR any good ? I want to connect my PC on it and play video games and enjoy some music. I can't decid between Denon x2700h or Yamaha a2a. Denon just seems better for Games, am i right ?

[@Mofunkysheets]

I’m glad I can educate people about the power numbers shown on receivers where is work.

[@MS-pj7pu]

Thanks for the information. It was well presented. Could someone explain how to access the HDMI cable diagnostic feature on a x3700h. I tried calling the Denon support line and the support agent i spoke with never heard of this feature. After he talked to a few other staff associates, he stated that this feature was for technician. 😡

[@mrtickleuk]

He's definitely "protesting too much" on the 40Gbps issue. Way too much since he knows it's a massive weak point, and it's a stop-gap. When future panels are 12bit to fully display 12bit Dolby Vision content, or this year's LGs turn out to be a 1-off and they'll go back to supporting the full 48Gbps like they did last year and Samsung did in the past, people stuck with the 40Gbps limit are going to be sick.

[@oniiz8685]

Couldn't agree more, LG have really thrown in a blunder here with their 2020 TV's 40Gbps ports this year, it's quite strange that Sony's X900H model has 2 48Gbps ports & Vizio has also released 48Gbps ports too.

[@ledooni]

I am not worried about the current TVs. As Phil explained there is no additional value of 48 Gbps in a 10 bit panel. However as mrtickle said it‘s going to become a problem as soon as we get new TV technologies like MicroLED with brightness levels up to 4000 nits because 12 bit will be coming at that point. eARC could be a solution there but I also heard some reports of eARC not working properly on a several devices. I don‘t blame Sound United for not including a 48 Gbps HDMI input because it seems like this was the only thing possible atm (we‘ll see when other HDMI 2.1 AVRs are coming). But I‘m also not fully convinced to buy a new AVR right now. In 1-2 years we might get several HDMI 2.1 inputs with maybe all 48 Gbps. This technology is still at the absolute beginning.

[@khobia2]

Incredible information guys.

[@johnd8607]

I still think it’s tight only having one hdmi 2.1 input on these receivers, especially on the higher end models.

[@alexandsimba]

Yeah I think they should have done two HDMI 2.1 inputs. The odds of someone buying both consoles or a console and PC is actually pretty high. Now the odds of someone buying both consoles and a PC is very low. I get we can use eARC to plug the others into the TV, but a lot of folks have their TV or Projector mounted away from other devices. I might get it this year since I only use a PC, but I can see why a lot of folks are annoyed about it.

[@LocalMultiplayer]

@@alexandsimba Definately a bit of a let down that they only include 1. We are in that boat where we will be getting both the Xbox Series X and PS5. Having to upload and switch cable is not something that we want to do...Only other option is to keep waiting until one of these manufacturers is ready to give us 7.2.4 along with several HDMI 2.1 ports (at least 2 or 3)

[@ek1557]

Especially after touting that it's a HDMI matrix. Doesn't feel like much of a matrix if you only have one HDMI 2.1 in and it can only go to a limited number of outs. I know I wouldn't buy a standalone 2.1 matrix that only has one 2.1 input and the rest are 2.0. Edit: Would gladly trade 2 inputs for universal 2.1 or an actual usable number of HDMI outs (preferably both).

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

Is the HDMI 2.1 bug only for 8K, for example, will these work just fine on 4K/60?

[@maxy.5166]

In your opinion for Home Theater and Music Denon 4700h or Onkyo RZ50 Thank you for your excellent videos and lots of information. Max.

[@JB-fi9tv]

The Denon AVR-X2700H is suffering from eArc issues using eArc and a games console via eArc and sound mode selection. Not using bitstream, but LPCM. It only happens when the source is eARC (ie internal apps from the TV when eARC is enabled or using a games console via eArc). The Denon app shows Multi-channel PCM input, however, the output options are not the same when receiving multi-channel PCM from an input directly connected to the receiver. ​ When using eArc on my TV connected to the Denon, the denon receives multichannel PCM input from the TV, but when I go to select a sound mode on the receiver, I only have a choice of multichannel stereo, stereo or DSur. Why will it not let me select a sound mode like Multichannel PCM? It should let me output the same format as what the receiver is receiving? Like Input-Multichannel PCM Output-Multichannel PCM. There is a clearly a bug with this receiver, that will not let me output Multichannel PCM as a sound mode over eArc. Input (eARC multi channel PCM): Output (choices are Stereo, DSur, Multi Ch Stereo): Can test this to see if they have been able to get Multichannel PCM sound mode output? Rather than Stereo, DSur, Multichannel stereo? I am sure this is a bug with the latest receivers? And needs fixing via firmware update.

[@H0DLTHED0R]

Only one HDMI 2.1 is a no go for me. So in order to deal with this issue of my older AVR not having eARC I bought this device: Thenaudio SHARC eARC HDMI 2.1 Audio Converter Processor Until hopefully next year they release AVR with all HDMI 2.1 Inputs!

[@Pupalei]

RIght, the "8k" is irrelevant right now, but only allowing one 4k/120 input means the TV has to be the switch, and if that's the case then an old receiver works fine.

[@georgeclueless6092]

Hi there Will these cables help a denon DRA 800H connect CEC with Apple TV 4K. Mine won’t talk. Home cinema, Receivers stay OFF. I’m connecting Apple to Denon with the supplied hdmi at present. Good health to you

[@valneissignorjunior3852]

Hi. I am looking for some help to decide what to do? I have an old, but very good, Rotel RSP-1098 AV processor connected to two RMB-1066 amplifiers. However, my system lacks HDMI support, Dolby digital Plus, TrueHD and Dolby Atmos. I cannot afford a top Rotel or Marantz up to date processor. So I am not sure if I should look for a HDMI multi-channel DAC with 7.1 analog output to connect to 7.1 analog input of my processor or to replace the RSP-1098 for a Marantz SR-5014 or Yamaha Aventage RX-A880, both in my budget. Any suggestions?

[@_Mr.Sush_]

So if I pick up a Denon right now. Will I see the HDMI 2.1 "Bug" with the Series X xbox? Or is that fixed now? Should I be concerned with Serial numbers at this point?

[@sumeeetbawa]

Hi, I'm from India. I've recently purchased samsung the frame 2020 tv with the latest audio and video specs including dolby atmos, dolby digital+, hdmi 2.1, 550 nits brightness, 8000:1 contrast ratio, HDR 10+, HLG and dolby vision. I want to install 5.1.2 system in my bedroom sized 12 ft (l) * 15.5 ft (b). I've heard onkyo hts5805 and i loved it. I am confused between: 1. Onkyo hts5805 home theatre 2. Onkyo hts7800 home theatre 3. Onkyo txrz820 receiver + onkyo sksht588 speaker combo 4. Denon x2600h receiver + onkyo sksht588 speaker combo 5. Denon x2700h receiver + onkyo sksht588 speaker combo 6. Onkyo txrz720 receiver + onkyo sksht588 speaker combo 7. Onkyo txnr686 receiver + onky sksht588 speaker combo Request you to please help me out to arrange the above list in a decending order of their audio + video quality and to match with my tv and room size, so that i can make my purchase decision.

[@bostonquad2068]

You're only going to have to test two cables 8k in and the Eark for 4k 120

[@tracyherbert2978]

I have a Question to ask you on the Marantz 7705 preamp how many Vrms per channel ?

[@howardhdavidson]

I ended up buying the Denon X4700H to replace my older Denon THX AVR and it’s the worst thing I’ve ever done.Every time I turn this thing on something different happens.I’ve had home cinemas Many different AVRs and this one is driving me mad.I turn it on and the Apple TV comes on and my 4K BluRay also comes on.Sometimes I get Dolby Atmos some times Other sound formats and sometimes not.It’s an absolute nightmare.I just watched a video of a guy who’s having the same problems.70 comments of people that are experiencing the same switching conflicts. I suggest you live with this Denon for a few weeks and see how you feel.I never had these problems with my older more powerful THX Denon.These recent models are a load of junk.

[@Schnauzer-2]

Hello Gene. There are something I don’t understand. When they talk that about the 70% of the power is guaranteed, that means that the 140 watts of my Denon AVRX6500H is the 70%? or the power is the 70% of 140 ? Thanks for all your information. Very educational and constructive.

[@Audioholics]

It means 70% of 2ch rated power (98 watts) is guaranteed if 5 channels are driven simultaneously. I've validated this claim for up to 7CH driven on Denon and Marantz products.

[@cosmicheretic8129]

The nerfed input issue is a no buy for me. Most people with 4K TV's don't have eARC, won't upgrade TV's this soon or have partners capable of changing inputs on multiple devices. I'll wait until there are at least 3 2.1 inputs and likely go Onkyo again.

[@youngblood23rb]

Great now I am torn between an Aventage or Denon receiver lol

[@tommi7554]

I'm thinking the same thing, can't decide.

[@WLSQ2000]

I have a bunch of Redmere HDMI cables that are directional (Source to TV) because a a chip. If I want to test these, which end should be plugged in to the 8k input and which in in the Monitor 1 output?

[@mauriciocastro1173]

hello I have have RBH SV-831R modular monitor speaker and the SV-1212NR , what you think of them? if I thought about changing what do you recommend? or thats fine! thanks

[@danieldeane3030]

Have you heard anything about the 6700H's sub ports being blown out by the SVS subs? I've seen a few incidents of this online.

[@Audioholics]

First i've heard of it.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

Really glad he came to tell us how 40GBps is enough to do 4k 120hz. That’s really useful information.

[@loboops213]

Right now I am running 4200 with c9 oled and even do 4200 is only ARC Dolby atmos coming from my OLED c9 is working . So what is the point of a new eARC receiver? It seem you just need an oled tv to pass Dolby via eARc to any ARC avr ,

[@H0DLTHED0R]

With ARC you do not get DD+ & DTS X audio. You need eARC for that or this device: Thenaudio SHARC eARC HDMI 2.1 Audio Converter Processor

[@D1Calderon]

Great info guys!

[@mikemmikem2758]

I recently purchased the Denon 3700H and as much as I like may have to return it due to one glaring problem. That is, when watching movies, this receiver runs (and I do mean HOT.) Even with a laptop cooling pad on top of it the problem still exists.

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

Are we talking dangerously hot , like fire hazard or possible burn the unit out and it dies, or....?

[@mikemmikem2758]

My cooler was $70.00 and worth every penny. As far as the heat issue in the 3700h is concerned it got hot enough that I could not lay my hands on top of it for more than a few seconds.

[@LeoGarciaPhotos]

So this is the hdmi 2.1 panasonic chip that is bugged?

[@johnnyskarupa4363]

I just got a ps5 and bought the Sony x900h tv. I have the denon x4100 receiver. Is there a way to update this to hdmi 2.1 or do I need a new receiver?

[@bostonquad2068]

Have to get a new one

[@andrebradley1924]

What is the best power amp to connect to the yamaha rx-a3010 receiver that is the same height

[@Methodical2]

Does Denon have a trade up program?

[@theroachmotel]

Just so I better understand. Fast forward to say Jan and let's say I go out and get both new consoles and a new 3700 from Denon. Would I want to plug the 2 consoles into the tv (assuming it had multiple 40gig HDMI 2.1 ports) and then use an earc between the Denon and tv or would I want to take one of the consoles into the Denon? Seems like for those of us getting both consoles that if we need to go into the Denon then from day 1 we are short a port. But maybe I'm just getting confused here. Thanks

[@H0DLTHED0R]

Recommended you plug nextgen consoles directly into tv then run hdmi cable from TV ARC/eARC into AVR ARC/eARC. If your AVR only has ARC then you wont get DD+ & DTS X audio unless you buy these new 2020 models or this device: Thenaudio SHARC eARC HDMI 2.1 Audio Converter Processor

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

Don't buy the Xbox...solved....lol.

[@VonSpud]

Recently bought the X4500H...if only I'd waited a bit longer for the new X models. Oh well.

[@VonSpud]

@Simon Harris yeah I have no issues with the 4500. 4k 120hz not important to us. Having the cable analyzer would be nice. As my wife likes to say, "be happy with what you have"...true point.

[@H0DLTHED0R]

Denon does have an trade in program, call customer service and inquire.

[@VonSpud]

@@H0DLTHED0R had not considered this. Can't hurt to check. Thx.

[@H0DLTHED0R]

@@VonSpud let us know how it goes

[@lexiewilkinson9703]

i say it again cmon only 1 port is this a prototype or what?

[@andrebradley1924]

What is the best home theatre amp

[@wayneiceman]

I have a Denon AVR-X2700H. How does one launch the HDMI cable test?

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

I'm upgrading an ancient 90s system, and am leaning toward living with the old speakers a while, and the old 1080p TV, so that I can focus on one piece of gear at a time. Thinking this will let me get a higher end AVR for now, then end up with a better system in the long run. I heard some scuttle about the 8k stuff not working as it should or not with all sources... it will be a while before we have a 4K TV , or PS5, or... so I will be totally happy with 4K/60 once we do upgrade. My short list of reciever options tops out with the X2700 amd X3700...but I'm trying to understand the differences between the S960H amd X2700H for now. Could you please tell me how you like your X2700 unit, and what else you're using it with in your system?

[@wayneiceman]

@@isaiahfurrow7414 I'm using it with my RTX 3080 as an input currently. I also use a 1080p blu ray player. Ultimately, my TV via earc is the best source. We get lossless Dolby Atmos passthrough and DTS-X, etc. You won't be needing anything more than the 2700X. It allows for greater upgrade paths in the future. I actually have two X2700 amps. Well worth the money. The only device that won't support 4K 120 is the Xbox I believe, with this amp. I think the 3080 and PS5 (unsure) do work.

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

@@wayneiceman I think I am going to get a cheap 5.1 unit now, so that we can at least have real surround sound .... then focus on getti g really good speakers.... once the 5.1 is totally sorted, then I'm going to save for the 3700 or equivalent, and 4 overhead speakers to move from 5.1 to a 5.1.4 setup... I really think the AVR-X3700H is right at the level where it is really futureproof.... it adds more zone ability, inputs, outputs, preamp outputs, more wattage, etc... so instead of biying a mid level unit now, and then eating that when I eventually upgrade to the big boy toy.... I'm going to biy one of the bottom end 5.1 units to just have real Dolby HD or DTS surround for now, and then when I upgrade to a full on system later I am only out a $200-300 unit that I can pass along to my son or someone in need... by the time I upgrade, they will have the new HDMI version, and such, all sorted out I hope... this also gets me real working surround before my 90s Sony unit totally quits(its been acting up)....and also lets me start working on better speakers sooner rather than later...

[@wayneiceman]

@@isaiahfurrow7414 home theatre is definitely a long stroll, it's no sprint. It's about the journey to getting it where you want it. Enjoy

[@randomsomeone1617]

Very cool content 👌

[@kirkcunningham6146]

Sticking with Yamaha. When the 5300 comes out, buying it. I think it's great that Denon is the first receiver to embrace 8K however, we are at least at a minimum of 10 years out before that even becomes a reality. With this war with China, who knows what's going to happen with audio and home theater equipment. Yamaha has an edge meaning when things get bad with China, they can build everything at home....Japan.

[@mikemmikem2758]

My 3700H ran HOT!! (even unenclosed re:no cabinet) until I bought a cooling unit from ACInfinity. Placed it on top of my receiver with the exhaust venting to the rear. Problem solved.

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

How expensive is one of these cooling units?

[@xburgos1]

Very pro video. Wow

[@TravelandLuxury1]

Actually the Xbox 1 S tells you what you can and cannot support. As far a resolution HDR etc.

[@MancaveCentral1]

When talking about making the best business decision... it seems completely ridiculous to offer a single HDMI 2.1 8K input on the AVR and two 8K outputs. As if anyone buying AVR's in this price range intend to have two 8K displays in the next 3-4 years. Two 8K inputs and one out would have been the more sound and logical choice considering the people looking at this connection right now are gamer's wanting 4K/120 and there will be three options before the year is out. Shame on Denon and Marantz for not thinking this through. This forces people to buy TV's with multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs which is few this year and they all dropped DTS:X passthru making it impossible to enjoy uncompressed DTS surround through earc. Really muddy and confusing things are right now with home A/V.

[@H0DLTHED0R]

Completely agreed but having all hdmi 2.1 on AVR would drive up the cost and MSRP so that's why both Denon and Marantz went with only one 2.1 input. But good news... If your tv supports eARC but not your AVR and you care about DD+ & DTS X audio then here's cheaper solution for now: Thenaudio SHARC eARC HDMI 2.1 Audio Converter Processor

[@bostonquad2068]

I want the Denon x4700h

[@bostonquad2068]

I got it😁😁😁

[@terryrodbourn2793]

The Big thing in Modern TVs maybe one cheaper TVs that have ZERO smarty functions (that NEVER get any updates) aka just as good 4K TV!

[@rolandrohde]

Let me stop you right there... "People don't like HFR Movies"...I can't stand hearing that BS over and over again. Why do you think every TV and almost every Projector has Motion Interpolation built in and activated by default? Most people have probably never seen unfiltered 24p at home. And there have been something like 3 Movies in the last 20 years that actually tried HFR, and the first one, The Hobbit, did it badly, and never released their 48Hz Version for Home Theatre, while the second was a "Special Interest" Movie and the third one was badly made, craptastic Action Movie. So, how are people supposed to know whether they like HFR Movies?

[@BlackSmokeDMax]

I'd bet they are basing that on the now somewhat old trope that people were complaining that 60fps tv shows looked like soap operas.

[@demonreturns4336]

People apparently like watching slide shows that are juddery and stuttery mess

[@mmmako]

8K30 anyone?

[@LuigisonsDojo]

Hisense 12 bit TVs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWXRdJawp7Vqq5Y

[@Urahara12squad]

You don't need 8k compatibility. There is no content and won't be for years to come.

[@ek1557]

You might not, but many do. There may not be ubiquitious 8k in the next two years but there is 120hz 4k for gaming. People use these for other things than movie watching. Also, a lot of people aren't audiophiles who don't blink an eye at $5K to $10K every couple of years because their system is outdated.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

I don’t think 24fps is a preferred movie frame rate, it’s just the defacto choice, those slow framerates have so much blurring during the exposure that all the motion is smeared. People don’t prefer 24, That's a myth perpetuated to save face and avoid expensive upgrades. Film is expensive, when you double the frame rate you double the film consumed, ballooning the budget of the film, and the editing process which has more raw footage to deal with. But the real reason 24 has stuck around, is because movie revenues are primarily from theater ticket sales, and if someone were to release a movie with a superior frame rate, many theaters would not be able to show it because they lack the equipment. So it would cut into the profits of the movie makers. Why pay extra to shoot at a higher frame rate if there’s nowhere to show the movie? Why upgrade your theater’s framerate if there are no films at that speed? The whole industry on the theater side and studio side has been caught waiting for the other chicken to be the egg, or maybe it's the other egg to be the chicken... anyway watch any side by side comparison of 24fps and 60fps on youtube and it's obvious that faster frame rates offer a better viewing experience. Covid and Exclusive Original Streaming services are going to create a video-quality arms-race and TV set manufacturers are going to be right in step. Disney+ will likely lead the way and the Rest of Hollywood will follow. As theaters face covid troubles and upgrade cycles, we may see even more go under, and a shift towards home theater. You’d think Apple might try to innovate, but they’re skittish about risking content delay, which is why their FaceTime cameras are all capped at 720p to ensure smoother live video playback. But who knows Starlink is going to be a gamechanger, not to mention 5g.

[@TravelandLuxury1]

24fps. It’s the way to watch movies. That’s why the pushed film maker mode

[@wa2368]

1 WORD YAMAHA!!!!! YAMAHA THE GRAND OVERLORD!!! THE WORD THAT MAKES DENON/MARANTZ SHAKE IN THEIR PANTS. THAT WORD GIVES YOU NIGHTMARES DOESN'T IT PHILLY?

[@H0DLTHED0R]

You need help, you seem to have Creepy Joe Biden syndrome.

[@wa2368]

@@H0DLTHED0R You sound like you get on all fours and open wide for DonnieDrumpf.

[@H0DLTHED0R]

@@wa2368 at least I can get on all 4's, you have no legs and therefore have to stand on your head in your wheelchair and open wide for Jeffrey Epstein

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

What Yamaha wohld be closest to an AVR-S960H or AVR-X2700H?

[@lennymarinez]

Omg. You guys really broke it down for me. Thank you so much. I’m buying the 2020 Denon 2700h this weekend.

[@bostonquad2068]

You're only going to have to test two cables 8k in and the Eark for 4k 120