Best Delay & Distance Method for Denon & Marantz + MultEQ-X

[@djscottfrenzy]

Great video Carl. My only gripe with speakers etc in general is the fact that you'll never be fully happy you'll always find yourself tweaking them its never ending.

[@hdmoviesource]

LOL, probably yeah, it never ends that's for sure.

[@vader3853]

40 min video, thats much better for all the info :)

[@hdmoviesource]

LOL, thanks.

[@cjt74]

Thanks again for another informative video. I’ve been looking for a good method to get everything dialed in and you delivered. I just wrapped up my calibration but I’m stuck on how to do use this method for the Atmos channels using REW.

[@hdmoviesource]

I have Atmos sweeps in my description you can download and play on your PC. That's the only way.

[@gavinstevens2358]

Hi Carl - on listening to your extra bit on the end of this video, I noticed your surround measurements and it reminded me of you mentioning the 'Storm Harman' curve for surrounds. I think you'd picked it up online somehow previously - the point was it had a slight raise in the highest trebles which you felt suited surrounds. Did you use it for them it the end? Or, are they the same as all your other speaks?

[@matthewforrest7660]

Hi, I have watched most, if not all, of your videos and have found them to be incredibly helpful. Your videos really enhance the sound of my system, so a big thanks for that. This is the first video where I've had trouble following along. I need clarification on how you achieve zero delays on your center channel. Are you still using OCA full-range sweeps with the reference on the left channel? It seems like there's something relatively simple that I'm missing, but I just can't figure it out. The rest of the video makes perfect sense; I'm just struggling with how you arrive at your starting point.

[@hdmoviesource]

I use OCA's sweeps for all channels yeah. Those sweeps have a center channel acoustic timing reference.

[@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254]

Having done the back and forth with MEQ-X I can tell this method is far less annoying and frustrating. I've actually been considering switching to Dirac Live Bass Control on my 6800H now that they reduced the price, but I'm not 100% convinced it will be much better than MEQ-X / MiniDSP. It would be a bummer to spend $600 and wind up preferring Audyssey! Lol

[@hdmoviesource]

This is exactly my predicament Cafive, I guess the only way to know if the buy unfortunately. Sometime this year I think I'll give it a shot.

[@paulantcliffe9704]

Thanks for the great video, your link to google drive link advises the folder is in your bin and needs to be restored... thanks for the great work

[@hdmoviesource]

Okay, yeah I had to update it, thanks for reminding me.

[@paulantcliffe9704]

@@hdmoviesource I've ran through the process and found it's completely changed the way the my system sounds, stereo output now has a phantom centre and my bass between 2 subs has completely tightened up and as you mentioned during the video all the speakers land at the same time... Thanks for sharing and putting the time into these video ❤ Question. would you say MultEQ-X is good enough not to need a MiniDSP ? My Maranta SR7013 has 2 sub outs...

[@hdmoviesource]

Oh that's great to hear Paul. I'm glad it's helped. I think Mini-DSP is the way to go personally. But, I'm thinking about doing a Mini-DSP vs MQX. I've calibrated with MQX before and it's never sounded as good as a Mini-DSP. So, if you can afford a Mini-DSP 2x4HD I recommeded.

[@paulantcliffe9704]

@@hdmoviesource I'm Mac user so I've managed to get my hands on an older Pc which is good enough to talk to MultiEQ-X after I send the file over from the tweaking on my Mac, I've managed to do an ok job on the bass but would you layer another set of EQ within EQ-X as this would give me a almost perfect straight line when I look after the predicted result which I can tilt as you show how to do..... Many Thanks 👍

[@hdmoviesource]

@@paulantcliffe9704 You could yeah. I have used MQX to also clean up the bass too. But, MQX doesn't have much resolution in the bass area so, it may still not be perfect.

[@danmaier2077]

Great video Carl ❤ Thank you for sharing this great video! Did you use 90 degrees or 0 degrees for the measurement? Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹

[@hdmoviesource]

I have used both, but I believe that 90 degrees is the best to use.

[@danmaier2077]

@@hdmoviesource Thank you Carl, I'll try it.

[@hdmoviesource]

Thanks Dan.

[@shaneb0422]

I recently installed my X3800H and using it and A1 Evo I’ve been dissatisfied and would like to tweak as much as you for as near perfect target curve response as possible Do you think MEQX and a MiniDSP is the most practical way? Or do you think Dirac is a better avenue? I like the idea of “owning” the DSP instead of the license, of course.

[@hdmoviesource]

MiniDSP is better for bass. but MQX is perfect for full range correction.

[@ChadAV69]

I’m fairly certain the distance only changes once you move it over the 0.03m threshold. And 0.03m is 1.2 inches which is 0.1ft. I haven’t done extensive testing but I’m pretty sure that’s what it’s doing. I just get it as close as possible in the AVR and then move the speakers a little bit until they’re basically perfect.

[@hdmoviesource]

That's a good idea Chad. I might try that.

[@ChadAV69]

I have done it a couple times and it just takes like half an hour. But I don’t know if it really made a difference. What made the biggest difference for me was doing the binaural mic positioning. Mic at left ear position to time align left speakers and mic at right ear position to time align right speakers. Center is measured at middle of head (the usual MLP position). Make it so all left speakers are time aligned to center when mic is in left ear position, then make it so all right speakers are aligned to center when mic is in right ear position.

[@hdmoviesource]

Are there any videos on this method?

[@ChadAV69]

@@hdmoviesourcemaybe. Reverend Slim in the magic beans discord told me about it. Pretty sure Joe N Tell does it too with a special binaural mic. It might sound complicated but it’s worth it

[@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254]

@@ChadAV69 Id like to give that a try. When doing this do you still use the center as acoustic timing reference for all speakers?

[@desertplanet3320]

Is this method now preferred to your other method, which used the Impulse tab, then getting values with the function (I think it was Aligin to IR) it was the method a few videos back for finding distance for subs etc.. Sorry if I don't make sense.. 😊

[@hdmoviesource]

For me, yes. It's the method I still use, and I don't see anything better than this right now.

[@desertplanet3320]

@@hdmoviesource ok so to confirm, this new method is your way now and NOT IR align method?) Thanks again for showing us all these cool ways.. 😊 With this new method, is there any setting IN REW we have to set prior to see the distance values on left tabs?

[@hdmoviesource]

Oh I see. I didn't understand what you were asking. Honestly, this is similar to IR aligning, but for me, this method keeps it simplified, it's quick and easy to understanding and it works.

[@desertplanet3320]

@@hdmoviesource Ahh.. so this method is same, but look faster as adjustment values are given to you without loading IR align tool amd do math for conversions.. 😊 😊 Can you confirm, I think so one said if you right click on the target value it gives, it will tell you in feet/inches?

[@hdmoviesource]

@@desertplanet3320 Definitely much faster. I tend to use meters right now, Ill have to check in the inches and feet thing.

[@chrishart9480]

Thanks!

[@hdmoviesource]

Thank you so much Chris, I really appreciate it.

[@chrishart9480]

@@hdmoviesource Thank you. I’ve followed a couple of your subwoofer calibrations and applied them to my pair of HSU VTF-TN1 and oh my they really woke up

[@hdmoviesource]

Nice. I want to release a new sub calibration video, one that targets the Harmon Target Curve instead. I think it sounds really good, and allows better balance for the cross-over frequency.

[@Game_Impala]

When you add the eq, does that change the timing?

[@hdmoviesource]

Yes it does. Not by much though with Audyssey.

[@gbye007]

Wouldn't A1 Evo give you this and more in 10 minutes? Or are you suspicious of the Audyssey mic accuracy?

[@hdmoviesource]

It's possible, but I'd be shocked if it got it correct right down to the level I'm doing here. But I think it may be worth trying soon.

[@Game_Impala]

@@hdmoviesourcesurprised you haven’t given it a shot. Would love to hear your thoughts on it and measurements before and after.

[@hdmoviesource]

One day. LOL

[@chebrubin]

LOL what are you playing with VLC?

[@hdmoviesource]

Yeah, VLC.

[@chebrubin]

This is a near-field atmos mixing room layout for all intensive purposes. We will all need EMT ribbon tweeter modular arrays in the future. Traditional speaker design will be obsolete in a decade for home theater in 20 + x 15 + foot rooms with 5 + seats and 100" screens.

[@hdmoviesource]

I think so too.