I Fixed the Booster Course Pass

[@SchaffrillasProductions]

You say the BCP is a good method of getting Toad Circuit out of the way, but I personally disagree. We've been waiting for over 20 years for N64 Wario Stadium to return and it still hasn't. I'd be shocked if it wasn't in the next Mario Kart game, but with the new mechanics and the new standard for retro tracks, the next version of Wario Stadium is probably going to be significantly better than how it was initially. That's the potential Toad Circuit has if we give the series 20 years to develop new mechanics and make retro tracks even better than they currently are. Bringing back a starter course from the very last game is the definition of worthless, and I would have sooner preferred just about anything else; perhaps Daisy Hills, to fill the slot of a simple 3DS track, or an SNES track that hasn't returned, since at least there would be a more noticeable leap in playability between the old and new versions of those tracks. And even if Nintendo doesn't radically alter Toad Circuit in order to maintain its purity as a starter course, I wouldn't even mind that much. N64 Luigi Raceway in MK7 is my least favorite course in that game, but I see the worth of its inclusion; having simple tracks like it is important for beginners. Mario Kart 8 is a game with no shortage of beginner friendly courses, meaning Toad Circuit adds no value to 8, while it could have value in a future game. And from my personal perspective as a veteran of the series, I would rather greet Toad Circuit as an old friend in the Shell Cup of a game decades from now, rather than having it be that course where "the party ended an hour ago and he's still here". Thank you for getting rid of Mario Circuit 3 though, there is no justification for that being in the game

[@HDRookie]

Oh wow, wasn't expecting you to comment lol. I'm a big fan 🙂 I think your argument for Toad Circuit is the same one I have for Rock Rock Mountain. This for me was namely due to the actual differences in glider mechanics in MK8. I understand that new games can bring lots of new changes, but I'm not sure what all they could do with TC. In my mind, it is one of the best starting circuit courses - I actually do find it as a quality entry in 7, too. The change in item system in Deluxe does change how it plays too, so it at least has that going for it - this goes for all courses, but it is especially impactful for courses with a lot of offroad cuts. I really think that most of the hate is mainly due to how bad it was visually than anything. Like you mentioned, MC3 had even less reason to be here, but it didn't get the same blowback. As such, I think a lot of it was perception driven too. I also think that each MK is going to be bigger than 32 to start in the future too. You're never going to have just a handful of easy tracks again if they want to keep pace with Deluxe. So I'm not sure if TC would ever be seen as welcomed in the future, at least in the same way you saw Luigi Raceway, which notably, was still near the bottom of your list.

[@bitstimandwesker8896]

Id rather be SHINYYYYYY

[@Kirby370Z]

Schaff

[@Kirby370Z]

I agree, let Toad Circuit marinate for a little bit, then improve it and add new mechanics in. Just the glider wasn't enough.

[@ryanchetwynd]

On the topic of Wario stadium, I feel like it’s biggest problems were the same ones you listed in your N64 courses ranked video. The drift system wasn’t good in MK64 as well as the complete lack of a trick system. I feel like not much would have to be changed about Wario Stadium. Add a water section, some half pipes, and maybe a glider section, then it would be pretty much all set. All you would have to do is give the background a glow up. Turns out Wario heads copy pasted to infinity isn’t exactly pretty even for N64 standards.

[@welcome2hi]

The main reason I argue Toad Circuit makes sense is because it’s the first track of Tour. It’s the introductory track to learn the physics and gameplay. In a DLC based around Tour content, Toad Circuit makes perfect sense

[@bellasprout1579]

Ok but it didn’t need to be, anyone who has the bcp knows the physics and doesn’t need it. It isn’t a port of tour, it’s Mario kart 8

[@welcome2hi]

@@bellasprout1579 yes, but the BCP was meant to pay homage to/bring over content from Tour. People with the BCP don’t need Toad Circuit to learn the mechanics, but it’s a reference to Tour, and that’s honestly the only thing that really matters here

[@Debloko666]

I would argue that 3DS Mario Curcuit would be a better pick than 3DS Toad Circuit. Mario Curcuit is from the Flower Cup, but it is as easy as the Mushroom Circuit one. It is visually superior to Toad Circuit, because of the Cherry blossoms and driving though Peach's Castle, and has a gliding session that is way better used than Toad Circuit's. And also, it's a course that is on Tour as well.

[@potatothegreat8464]

What? That makes absolutely NO sense! MK8 owners on Switch already had Mario Kart Stadium as an "introduction to the physics and the gameplay". Doing it again is just lazyness. Just because it's a Tour related DLC pass doesn't justify anything.. they've been very selective on what they did and didn't bring from Tour. An entire unique course got shafted. If you need an intro course for your mobile game tutorial then ok. But nothing from the Tour DLC pass changes the gameplay and therefore necessitates a brand new tutorial course. Paris Promenade would've been the perfect intro to the booster course pass. It's an easy tutorial level course that foreshadows what is to come. Quite literally every other cup except the first one has a city track as its first track. In the grand scheme of things it's the worst part of the DLC and they only did it so they could finish the first wave as soon as possible. The abysmal graphics in Wave 1 courses like Sky Garden are further proof of this. Also If replacing a course with Toad Circuit would set things back by let's say a month or so (which I think is a reasonable time to port a track from Tour). If every other subsequent wave were delayed by about a month we'd still get Wave 6 by early December 2023, which fits into initially promised "by the end of 2023" date. 🤷‍♀️ Edit: You also say it's a "reference to Tour". Don't you think PP Pipeline would be a better "reference"? Including costumes for non Mii characters? Why reference the most forgettable, boring, unpopular and easy part of Tour? Paris Promenade is already a good enough reference... Weird asf argument you are making lol.

[@sahaprocks7751]

@@potatothegreat8464thanks for doing the talking

[@kaizermierkrazy6886]

Love the changes! DS Airship forttress and 3DS Wario Ship Yard are the biggest ones they missed for me

[@PixelShiftss]

As much as I love Sunset Wilds, I’d totally cut it if it means it’ll have a higher chance of being in the next game with the Sunset beautifully intact. I’m also very happy you included bc4 as the 3rd spiny slot, the second the bowser tour happened I was expecting bc3 in wave 5 and bc4 in wave 6, even then I knew that was far too good to be true. And when bc3 wasn’t in wave 5 I knew bc4 was cut even know it would’ve been so much better to have 4 over 3.

[@xj-may]

Honestly I’m a big fan of the changes you made here. I say this partially as a big Dry Dry Ruins fan (although idk how well it would play with 8D’s physics), and partially because I think you put it together extremely well without removing any of my favorite booster tracks

[@boop53]

ok you won me over at that moon cup. Singapore + Wario Shipyard + Airship Fortress + Wii Rainbow Road? Hell yeah!

[@HDRookie]

That was my fav cup too lol

[@CaptainRillaboom]

This should be the selection of the Spiny Cup, it feels so much like a final gauntlet this way.

[@generalcrab0009]

Honestly, I’m not sure how I feel about this version. Wii Rainbow Road is definitely a better way to finish off the BCP than 3DS Rainbow Road. Some of the shuffles are a bit strange, like Daisy Cruiser doesn’t really give off first Cup vibes. I feel like the cities are fine where they are- Berlin definitely works for Wave 3. And even though they’re in separate cups, I feel that BC3 and Fortress clash with each other as you have two Bowser themed course. Piranha Plant Cove also works as the final course of the Acorn Cup simply so we don’t have two Tour courses in a row that have multiple routes. Overall, it’s good but I prefer what Nintendo gave us, so I’ll give yours a 7.8/10

[@burnt-potatoes]

The BCP devs were clearly biased towards MKWii, that’s probably why they chose MC3 over the way better MC2.

[@PenguinMajesty]

No. 3DS Rainbow Road is a way better way to finish it off than Wii Rainbow Road.

[@generalcrab0009]

@@PenguinMajesty nah it definitely isn't. 3DS is actually pretty easy compared to Wii. It fits perfectly in the Moon Cup due to the theming of it. The music, while good, isn't good enough to warrant being the final course of the BCP. Wii on the other hand, absolutely works in the Spiny Cup. It's much harder, especially in 200cc. The music is like fast paced and frantic, absolutely fitting in the Spiny Cup as the final course of the Cup, Wave DLC and game as a whole.

[@Matanumi]

Bowsers castle 3 is in the perfect spot- it shouldn't be anywhere else but the penultimate coruse

[@generalcrab0009]

@@Matanumi I never said it wasn’t

[@elpaka7654]

I honestly think that any track that was a Retro track in DS should count as basically not yet having been remade, because those really weren't remakes. In some cases those tracks were downgraded.

[@HDRookie]

At this point, the BCP brought back most of the hits. Frappe Snowland, BC2, GBA LC, Mushroom Bridge, and Banshee Boardwalk are the only ones I'd really want to see again.

[@Mr_Mimestamp]

Here from Sir Musty’s video, great work! I love the way you went about it, taking into consideration how each track would be perceived by fans given their placement and release time. Amazing video!

[@HDRookie]

Thanks for checking it out! I can't wait to watch Musty's full video later. Haven't had time yet.

[@GoldenYoshi1]

Rookie! This'll be fun, it's always interesting to see others' takes on the Booster Course Pass dilemma. Also... I kinda like Toad Circuit but only because it's Toad-themed and I'm a Toad superfan lol.

[@jackybones5887]

Well done! Such quality editing too. Love how you had the music of each track playing

[@HDRookie]

This one did take quite a bit of work, won't lie. Thanks!

[@CaptainRillaboom]

I love how the Boomerang and Feather cups are literally: simple track, simple track, simple track, one of the most ambitious tracks in the franchise😂

[@Marshall.R]

Yeah this checks off pretty much everything I would've wanted fixed: Better second SNES pick, a more balanced number of reps from each game, another Bowser's Castle course, the inclusion of Airship Fortress, and the removal of both Moonview Highway and Daisy Circuit (they're both awful tracks in MK8). Also, Toad Circuit is definitely overhated and would be better received this way which is great. My only critique is I think Piranha Plant Cove should stay as the last course of the Acorn Cup since it would be weird having two Tour courses that change routes each lap go back to back, and it would be nice to be fully consistent with having the non-city Tour tracks at the end of every other cup.

[@Sir_Musty]

Airship and Shipyard make this too close to call but Nintendo's offerings narrowly win for me overall! Definitely did a great job making Wave 1 and 6 start and end stronger A really good watch, keep it up man!

[@SprainedSentinel]

Musty why did you delete the vod

[@CaptainRillaboom]

There’s something I’d argue with about the idea of peaking in wave 3. Wave 6 is supposed to be the equivalent of the Special Cup for the BCP. This is the one that should be very difficult. If you only peak halfway through while having something that is just good-ish at the end, it’d leave a bitter taste in the players’ mouth. Since Wave 6 is the grand finale, they expect something big and great. Plus, don’t forget that Wave 6 is also the final ounce of content we’ll be getting from Mario Kart for at least a couple of years, and the final batch of cups for the MK8 era as well. Peaking in the halfway wave is not the ideal way to proceed when you put that into consideration. Since the Spiny Cup is just good and will probably be "just good" in a lot of people’s minds, AND ends with the easier Rainbow Road, while having the Moon Cup that is 100x better, and will be the one the fans would likely prefer, they’d be underwhelmed by the finale, and that disappointment with a final send off that is not as climactic as expected would make for a poor final impression of MK8DX for the fans. So we’d have to go off with the hardest, most climactic, and most likely to be loved cup. The Moon Cup should also be climactic, hard, and likely to be popular, but not as much as the Spiny Cup. Here’s how I’d do it. Moon Cup: -Singapore Speedway -GCN Dino Dino Jungle -SNES Bowser Castle 3 -3DS Rainbow Road Spiny Cup: -Madrid Drive -DS Airship Fortress/Peach Gardens (with the backwards lap) -GBA Bowser Castle 4 -Wii Rainbow Road

[@HDRookie]

I think I addressed it on the other video, but a lot of our disagreement here is in how we perceive Wii vs 3DS RR. I don't think the Wii one is inherently a better finale. I agree with you on BC4 though.

[@5742_]

i’m glad you kept Cruiser. i still don’t know how against all odds i managed to predict it simply based off of my favorite character, but i’m glad i did.

[@chedder_chandlure4363]

I think you've got some pretty reasonable changes although I do feel like the first half is a little too good. Wave 4 and 5 feel underwhelming in comparison. I would also remove toad circuit and have DS mario circuit fill its spot as the beginner course.

[@oceanblais4125]

Here’s my fixed version of the Booster Course Pass Wave 1: Golden Dash Cup: Tour New York Minute 3DS Shy Guy Bazaar Wii Coconut Mall GBA Sky Garden Lucky Cat Cup: Tour Tokyo Blur N64 Choco Mountain DS Shroom Ridge Merry Mountain Wave 2: Turnip Cup: Tour Paris Promenade GCN Mushroom Bridge DS Waluigi Pinball Wii Maple Treeway Propellor Mushroom Cup: Tour London Loop GBA Snow Land N64 Koopa Troopa Beach Ninja Hideaway Wave 3: Rock Mushroom Cup: Tour Vancouver Velocity 3DS Rock Rock Mountain DS Airship Fortress Wii DK Summit Power Moon Cup: Tour Los Angeles Laps GBA Boo Lake SNES Bowser Castle 3 Wii Rainbow Road Wave 4: Berry Cup: Tour Berlin Byways GCN Waluigi Stadium Wii Koopa Cape Sky High Sundae Boomerang Flower Cup: Tour Sydney Sprint DS Luigi’s Mansion Wii Dry Dry Ruins Tour Singapore Speedway Characters: Birdo Wave 5: Cape Feather Cup: Tour Amsterdam Drift GCN Daisy Cruiser Yoshi’s Island Piranha Plant Cove Double Cherry Cup: Tour Bangkok Rush Wii Moonview Highway GBA Riverside Park Tour Athens Dash Characters: Diddy Kong Funky Kong Kamek Wave 6: Super Acorn Cup: Tour Rome Avanti GCN Dino Dino Jungle 3DS Wario Shipyard Piranha Plant Pipeline Spiny Shell Cup: Tour Madrid Drive Wii Mushroom Gorge Squeaky Clean Sprint 3DS Rainbow Road Characters: Petey Piranha Pauline Wiggler Dixie Kong

[@CaptainRillaboom]

WHY ARE YOU ALL SWAPPING WII RAINBOW ROAD AND 3DS RAINBOW ROAD SERIOUSLY 3DS RR HAS NOTHING TO DO IN WAVE 6

[@Roxleton]

In the original wave 3 trailer, and in mkt, the peach gardens shortcut is heavily nerfed. I think it would be better if they took that version and had it change in the last lap to make the shortcut less OP. they could even add some little toad on the side with lawn mowers and stuff. that way they can keep the backwards lap without making the track a pain to play. also i think it would be nice if you could go in the moat on the last lap and a T ramp would let you back up to make that area less tight and better to play

[@HDRookie]

True, I do remember that. I felt that it would've been better for the course too, and was sad when they changed it lol

[@Jobor2]

I would change one thing, I think there shouldve been less wii courses being first time retro so I would remove dry dry ruins and instead move koopa beach to wave 2 and swap kalamari desert to wave 5 with koopa cape taking koopa beach and kalamari taking dry dry ruins. I think people would be OK with 2 koopa courses because they are both fan favorites and dry dry ruins isnt really the most memorable track so this should be justifiable. Also all tracks fit with the time of the year still. I agree with the rest of the picks however.

[@HDRookie]

If you space em out, it's probably fine. I think you're underestimating how much people like DDR though

[@Jobor2]

No I know DDR is popular, it's just that koopa cape is a pretty big fan favourite and famous track and I know people (including myself) who don't like DDR. I think they way you made it still makes more sense because koopa cape isnt the most basic course while N64 koopa troopa beach is but I still can't see DDR making its way over koopa cape also removing that track as a future nitro in the next mario kart game@@HDRookie

[@CaptainRillaboom]

1:41 I choose Wario Colosseum, Daisy Cruiser, and Dino Dino Jungle!

[@Clemehl]

3DS Toad Circuit is an introduction course, and they love to pick introduction course. Here all them: - SNES Mario Circuit 1 → It was picked for Mario Kart DS' Shell Cup 1st course. Available in Tour. - N64 Luigi Raceway → It was picked for Mario Kart 7's Shell Cup. Available in Tour. - GBA Peach Circuit → It was picked for DS' Shell Cup 3rd course. Available in Tour. - GCN Luigi Circuit → It was picked for DS' Shell Cup 4th course. *Not available in Tour.* - DS Figure-8 Circuit → Never picked. *Not available in Tour.* - Wii Luigi Circuit → Never picked. *Not available in Tour.* - 3DS Toad Circuit → Never picked. Available in Tour. DS' 2nd Shell Cup isn't N64 Luigi Raceway but N64 Moo Moo Farm (DS' Shell Cup pick all introduction course). Probably because there already are another Luigi Circuit inside. MK8's 1st Shell Course being Wii Moo Moo Meadows could be a nod to this. Basically, it was either 3DS Toad Circuit, N64 Luigi Raceway, GBA Peach Circuit or SNES Mario Circuit 1. 3DS Toad Circuit is the least bad of the bunch. Paris Promenade feels a lot like N64 Rainbow Road: it feels more like a celebration course than really a competitive one. So I would see it more as a conclusion of the Golden Course. One thing you missed is that they really wanted to tie the Tour with the 4th course. It is somewhat consistent in the first half. Less in the second part - Paris and Coconut Mall. You need to see with Japanese eyes, but "Mall" is more seen as a luxury, and fit with Paris. Choco Mountain is rather thematic too when you think about it. - Tokyo and Ninja Hideaway: you have your Japan focus. With Japanese depressed eyes, you understand Shroom Ridge and Sky Garden inclusion. - New York and Waluigi Pinball: you have the "city that never sleep" focus. Kalimari for the western vibes are a nice touch. - Sydney and Sky-High Sundae: the "summer theme" focus. - London and Mapple Treeway? I don't get it. As the Rock Cup, with England's Rock Band, Rock Rock Mountain is self explanatory. Maple Treeway seems so misplaced, and should be in Acorn with Vancouver. - Berlin and Rainbow Road. Well, you need to understand what represent Berlin for Japan, and its very Rainbowish. I don't get why Peach Gardens isn't in Rock Cup - Amsterdam and Yoshi's Island. I guess we got the "meta" joke. - Bangkok and Singapore. They are in Asia? To be fair, I don't get it either. - Athens and Squeaky Clean? I don't get it either. Squeaky Clean would be so thematic with Bangkok (the Venitia of the East). Huge missed opportunity. - Los Angeles and Vancouver? They are in America? - Rome and Piranha Cove Plant? Why? Why isn't Maple Treeway in the Acorn, with Vancouver. Huge missed opportunity. - Madrid and Rainbow Road. I don't get it. If they put Berlin for the "fairy" joke, they should go all the way and put Athens as well.

[@generalcrab0009]

Peach Circuit wasn’t an option until this year

[@SB2749]

The wave 4 cities do have the shared theme of being all of the Tour cities released in 2022, so there's that, I guess...?

[@YoshisIslandFan2]

@@generalcrab0009 But that would imply Shroom Ridge didnt have a chance until wave 4

[@generalcrab0009]

@@YoshisIslandFan2 No it doesn’t. Shroom Ridge came to Tour like a week after it came to 8DX. Peach Circuit didn’t come out until *this* year. There’s no way it could possibly be in Wave 1

[@YoshisIslandFan2]

Uh, wave 1 came out in 2022, shroom ridge was added to tour in 2023 @@generalcrab0009

[@FLUDDgate-dc2sp]

Mushroom Gorge is my favorite Wii track. Although Toad's Factory also would have been great to see.

[@J-boy_64]

I think your wave 5 is so much better than the original wave 5. Removing one of the weaker Koopa Cape remakes with Koopa Troopa Beach would have done so much.

[@ratabreak3902]

Ironically enough that Koopa Cape is the best remake that track had even if it was worse than the OG

[@chrisp5148]

Very well spoken, it is always great to see into the minds of someone who is passionate and eloquent with their argument.

[@HDRookie]

Thanks for the kind words 🙂

[@HydreKenny]

Amazing video! I love how you gave reasoning for removing or adding tracks, only allowed one track from a MK game per wave and how you still followed "Nintendo's rules" by keeping all the tour tracks. Some people would remove like Toyko Blur and added Wario Colosseum lmao. Also, I wonder why Mushroom Bridge and Airship Fortress didn't get added, they seemed to have a lot of work put into them for Tour. I feel like something happened in development that they didn't manage to add those tracks. I also agree on removing Sunset Wilds and Sky Garden; why keep those tracks if they're just gonna be extremely butchered? I think the only things i would've changed would be that I prefer Coconut Mall would come later like Wave 3 or 4 so it would've had time to look better and the cars could've move like they used too. I prefer Waluigi Stadium stays in Wave 4 because I bet it was delayed to look as polished as it does now and I don't wanna ruin that, so I'll switch Mushroom Bridge and Waluigi Stadium placements. Waluigi Pinball could come in Wave 1 since it's as popular as Coconut Mall and the "plastic" looking graphics look well for a pinball aesthetics. Dry Dry Ruins could be the Wave 1 Wii track and it also shows people that tracks that haven't been remade can come to the BCP. Shroom Ridge would be moved to Wave 2 and DK summit would be moved to Wave 5. Also, about Peach Garden, i love the third lap going reverse and flying over the garden, It feels magical. But if it was removed, then they should add back the item boxes following the Chain Chomps since without the reverse lap, then i think this Peach Garden version would be inferior to previous iterations.

[@HDRookie]

See, I disagree in the Peach Gardens take. This iteration felt faster and more fluid than the Wii version in my opinion. Despite Wii introducing trick boosts, this version found so many more areas to incorporate them (even when landing from the glider lap 3 on the ledges lol) and the course feels quicker to me as such, which I like. I also think that karts control better in bikes did in the hedge maze section. And yeah, there's no point in doing this exercise if it's not remotely realistic, for sure. I understand the Pinball and Mall swap, I just don't think I'd do it. Mall had a different energy at the time. The lesson is just not to rush things out and plan better I suppose. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@LaserBread]

Other things I would include in BCP: • Ability to change the way items are distributed (distance-based or position-based). Position-based distribution (like in all previous games) is more chaotic, so it would be nice as a more frantic Frantic Items. • Custom items can be chosen for cops and renegades instead of team colors in Renegade Roundup (seriously, Nintendo?) • As the last update to MK8, bring back the thundercloud as a April Fool's Day prank. After that, it would be taken out of normal rotation but could be selected in custom items.

[@HDRookie]

Interesting thoughts, but they'd have to make the custom item distribution much more layered than it currently is for it to work. The balance is just different for customs.

[@austincarter9523]

I think Figure 8 Circuit should have replaced Toad Circuit as a starter easy course. It's about the same quality, but it goes well in MK8 because its theme is its 8-like shape.

[@HDRookie]

If only it was in Tour

[@l1ammk]

toad circuit lives to see another day the haters are fuming

[@natk205]

Always love seeing MC3 getting the axe it deserves. It felt the least fitting out of all the BCP courses, and why Nintendo brought it back in the first place is beyond me.

[@Limeey_]

Interesting topic to discuss, loved the video Rookie! Though there is one thing i have to point out. If we are going to still keep out pp pipeline since pp slide is in the base game I personally don't think Dry Dry Ruins should get in. Don't get me wrong, DDR is probably a top 5 wii course imo, but the track is arguably more similar to Dry Dry Desert from base game than pipline is to slide. The names are practically identical and both use very similiar assets and theming, including the hammer bro statues. I mean the starting line of DDD in mk8 is esentially the same as the pyramid entrance of DDR in tour. Yeah sure the layouts are quite different but the same could be said about pipline and slide. I personally would instead replace DDR with Koopa Cape, as i think it works really well in the bcp. Besides, putting more second time retros from wii in the bcp instead of first time leaves room for more wii courses in following games, since almost all wii courses currently are in mk8 so there arent a lot left mk9.

[@HDRookie]

For reference, I mainly made that argument specifically when deciding which Tour original to exclude. Honestly I thought about having all of them in, but I would've also likely ended with two piranha tracks in Wave 6, and I wanted to be able to include CM, WP, MT, and the RRs as cup closers alongside the other 5 original courses and extra 2 cities. I still think a desert track is more warranted, so I probably would've pivoted to Yoshi Desert and Daisy Circuit again, if removing DDR.

[@Pokemichael]

Very well done! Its interesting seeing someone else’s perspective on redoing the BCP because im planning on doing something similar.

[@HDRookie]

You should! I think this is a topic more people should tackle for sure.

[@Pokemichael]

@@HDRookie I plan to once ive finished my wave 6 (and maybe entire BCP) review

[@boop53]

removal of moonview was sad but it makes sense. If we were living in this world with this bcp, i could see Moonview being the opener to lightning cup in mario kart 9!

[@dentedcontroller]

I mostly agree with these rebalancing of the BCP, so good job! However, I do have some criticisms: 1. I understand why you would want to add every Tour course, but I don't see how we couldn't just add them into a later MK title. Since PPP isn't getting added, the whole "preserve the Tour tracks on a console title" argument kinda falls flat anyways. On top of that, many Tour tracks feel way too similar (and easy) to race on, which now adds a counterargument to a SECOND reason you gave for your picks. And while we're at it, what about the MK Arcade games? Shouldn't their courses be "preserved" as well? I feel like there are simply just too many counterarguments to warrant adding every Tour track. 2. Schaff is right, honestly. TC is not the worst course in the BCP (let alone the whole game), so its addition never bothered me. Schaff's comment (which, for those who didn't read it, boils down to TC is too simple for a game with so many simple tracks and too early to be an understandable addition when it would be more appreciated in a later game) does make a great point on how TC was kind of a wasted spot for (sticking with the rules now) a better 3ds track like either of the Wuhu tracks, Daisy Hills, or even RRM (relying on the assumption that the Wuhu tracks/DH would actually be remade in Tour first, or that Nintendo would actually put some effort in and properly remake their tracks for MK8DX). 3. Tracks don't HAVE to be easy! Building off of what has already been implied in the first two points, adding "easy" tracks to MK8DX of all games might not be the best idea. I have no problem against simple tracks. Riverside Park is one of my favorites of the DLC, not because it's easy, but because it's a blaze to race through, especially on 200cc. It's simple, but it isn't easy due to its excellent pacing. Some tracks (like TC and most of the city tracks) fail to make their simple designs appealing in any way, and thus make themselves less deserving of their spots IMO. 4. No Toad's Factory so 0/10, I don't make the rules Once again, I do believe this rebalance is much better than the original BCP. You removed MC3 and added DDR and Airship Fortress, so can I really complain? Too bad this isn't what we had in the original.

[@HDRookie]

Well, keep in mind, this isn't what I would personally want either. If it was, I'd also have put TF in. The Tour argument does make sense. PPP not being in is a complete headscratcher after they made such a commitment to all the Tour cities. My guess is that Tour cities won't return in the next MK, but its original courses might.

[@roryrainbow77]

I think it's completely fine to say I don't fully agree with your choices, however I do agree with some changes you made. I like your idea of ending the first cup of each wave with a Tour non city nitro, the flip up in the second half we got does come off jarring. Besides if you were to flip it, the other cup ender was solid to end the wave too (coconut mall, Waluigi Pinball, 3DS Rainbow Road) To add more sense to this change, simply changing what cup icons would keep the idea that at least 3 of the first 4 nitro courses matched the theme of the cup they were in (propeller cup fit shy high and mushroom gorge perfectly theme wise, and lucky cat fit Tokyo & Ninja Hideaway really well. Yoshis Island in Fruit Cup also genius) I was quite confused that you chose for only PPC to not fit the cup 1 ender pattern, and it was one of the few organization flaws I felt like this had. Wave 3 cup icons really become a head scratcher here, and I think in part its because the rock mushroom just didn't really work as a wave 3 icon at all... The Moon Cup icon is perfect here for NY, I always think that dropped too soon and it and 3DS Rainbow would compliment eachother so well in the same cup. The other icon could perhaps have been an Ice Flower instead? Maybe not as original but fits the theme of holidays so much better, and allows for keeping the spiny cup to represent the end of all things Booster Course Pass. Also I think Wave 4 actually is an upgrade even if Mushroom Bridge isn't a preferred track of mine. That was the perfect time to drop it of any, any later would have come off underwhelming. London in wave 4 kinda sucks but that's just because the track wasn't well designed to begin with. It can't be denied it's complexity still reflects better later on despite its gameplay, and the rest of that wave would certainly put in work to elevate it and DS Mario Circuit (which I do agree, it's a fitting remake and better to bring back than MC3 AGAIN) I overall like how you balanced the tracks better and removed courses that just had no purpose here. The only single course I have a major gripe with is Vanilla Lake, and that's more of a problem with Nintendo if anything. The options for having two SNES courses meant that alongside BC3 the other choice either had to be a returning second time retro or... A not so desirable track for a first time. Vanilla Lake 2 is pretty hard to salvage. As boring as VL1 was I'd rather that came back and VL2 just never did. I imagine this was one of the hardest things to piece in though and give a fair balance with all things in mind. SNES retros constantly get done dirty and after how BC3 was treated WELL I would hope for similar treatment for future SNES tracks in mind. The only other thing on my mind is I would keep the rainbows where we got them, the hype bomb for people who didn't keep up to date with tour made Wii Rainbow the absolute best choice to end on. And even for those who did, it just has an unspeakable magic to it. It would reorganize alot of other tracks though. I have to imagine these cup also were tough for you to decide on, as well as a fair amount of decisions you made. Your video ends up putting out a lot of creativity for others to build their own ideas off of which is great for the community. The content is much appreciated!

[@HDRookie]

I think the thing to keep in mind is nobody will ever be 100% aligned on any list. That's why I think it's still important to go into reasoning for your decisions. This wasn't my favorite possible Booster Pass, but one that I felt I could reasonably share and like enough.

[@Darian610]

My version of the Booster Course Pass: GOLDEN DASH CUP: Paris Promenade Shy Guy Bazaar Choco Mountain Coconut Mall LUCKY CAT CUP: Tokyo Blur Shroom Ridge Sky Garden Ninja Hideaway TURNIP CUP: New York Minute SNES Mario Circuit 4 Kalamari Desert Waluigi Pinball PROPELLER CUP: Sydney Sprint Snow Land Mushroom Gorge Sky High Sundae ROCK CUP: London Loop Boo Lake Wario Shipyard Maple Treeway MOON CUP: Rio Rush Peach Gardens Merry Mountain 3DS Rainbow Road FRUIT CUP: Hong Kong Drift Riverside Park DK Summit Yoshi's Island BOOMERANG CUP: Kenya Cruise Airship Fortress Waluigi Stadium Singapore Speedway FEATHER CUP: Athens Dash Daisy Cruiser Moonview Highway Squeaky Clean Sprint CHERRY CUP: Los Angeles Laps Sunset Wilds Koopa Cape Vancouver Velocity ACORN CUP: Rome Avanti DK Mountain Toad's Factory Piranha Plant Cove SPINY CUP: Las Vegas Lights Wario Colosseum SNES Bowser Castle 3 Wii Rainbow Road

[@bogonelle]

I disagree with toad circuit staying (very unpopular real) because i think the track in 7 was a fine starter course, but theres issues in 8 1. Mario Kart Stadium is arguably better 2. 3DS has better mushroom cup tracks 3. I feel like the track itself isnt bad, but it gives that impression because of bad textures/lazy models that could be fixed next game, as well as being track 50 in the game (and even higher for you). And before you say we needed basic circuit tracks desperately, sure, but toad circuit is almost too basic for DLC of a game that released in 2014. Also, if you kept daisy circuit, we wouldve had plenty of circuits anyways

[@HDRookie]

Well, swapping it with Daisy Circuit would also break my guideline of 1 course per game per wave, since I'd have 7 Wii tracks. That was just my personal rule though!

[@bogonelle]

@@HDRookiefair point

[@TobyTarpey]

Hello Rookie, I would like to comment on the viability of riverside park and to a lesser extent, daisy cruiser in wave 1. Riverside Park wasn’t fully completed in tour until July 25th of 2022, this makes it so this track is physic impossible to be able to appear in wave 1. This also applies to daisy cruiser but only to a lesser extent due to being completed in tour only a week before wave 1 released. This could still make DC possible feasible for this reality to an extent but it cannot be possible with riverside in wave 1. Riverside has to be wave 3 or later in order for this BCP to actually be possible to be realistic

[@HDRookie]

That's a great point actually. With that being said, I guess I think they should've built and published sooner. It's always tricky here since the creation dates aren't supposed to be public knowledge.

[@kittenfan7664]

​@@HDRookie just sayin i remember Madrid not being done when wave 6 speculation started.

[@Stratilex]

When wave 1 released, Shroom Ridge wasn't out in Tour. Didn't it take like a year to come to Tour??

[@TobyTarpey]

@@Stratilex yes but it was completed in tour during June 2021 meaning they were just sitting on it in tour for a while. Riverside wasn’t complete until July 2022

[@thekoopaguymk]

Toad Circuit's not even that bad as far as first circuits go. It's the best one imo

[@THEJefftheKiller]

I’d prefer Luigi’s circuit more

[@katmanchego]

As much as I loved Rosalina's Ice World, Daisy Circuit and Rock Rock Mountain, I gotta agree that this list is way better Adding RMX Vanilla Lake 1 or 2 instead of regular Vanilla Lake would have also been a more palatable choice since they're not only actual tracks instead of circles, but it would represent the forgotten RMX brand of tracks Tour had with the obvious SNES representation still intact, but I completely understand why it wasn't because Nintendo themselves just plain did not and that might have been a rule of theirs

[@HDRookie]

You might just be my friend San's long lost sibling or something. He was a track specialist of Rock Rock and Ice World back on MK7 who held world records on both courses, and his favorite wii track was Daisy Circuit lol. Very coincidental. Also liked Yoshi Falls a lot back on mkwii, a more random selection for sure.

[@Melchirobin]

The other thing I can’t see is the new MK game only have 32 tracks. I think they will jack the price up to $70 but the standard will be 48 courses from now on because 32 will just feel like a terrible value after getting the Booster course pass and a lot of people getting the game for free when they bought a switch on Black Friday.

[@bitstimandwesker8896]

How i would fix the BCP. -Replace Wave 5's Sunset Wilds with GBA Luigi Circuit or even DS Airship Fortress -Replace Wave 6's Daisy Circuit with Dry Dry Ruins. It wouldnt really clash with PPC, because they have different enough settings. -Put in at least one more N64 and GCN track.

[@TimHernandez98]

It should’ve been Daisy Hills in Wave 1 & Airship Fortress in Wave 6

[@HDRookie]

Wouldn't be bad

[@CaptainRillaboom]

"My hope is that they turn Vanilla Lake 2 into something better" Dude, they did not do that in Tour. If a track does not get a glow-up in Tour, then it’s not getting one in the BCP as all tracks are ports from Tour.

[@deadmeme739]

It would have been extremely funny to see all the casuals who haven't played MK8 in years play Ninja Hideaway in the fist cup.

[@HDRookie]

I don't think it's that bad really. Just incredibly vertical compared to most first cup courses.

[@danielfotheringhamproducti7368]

Honestly, a majority of these new replacements, actually could work in the new entry, and GBA Yoshi Desert, Luigi Circuit, and Bowser’s Castle 4, as well as Wii Dry Dry Ruins would be my personal picks. Glad that SNES Mario Circuit 3 was cut, so that’s satisfying, thanks very much.

[@JohnMcSwagX]

Great video! But i prefer the original Booster Course Pass much more

[@HDRookie]

Fair enough! Hope it was interesting at least.

[@CaptainRillaboom]

1:21 ok. 3DS Mario Circuit.

[@thinginator90]

i think this is a bit of a mixed bag, more so than the actual BCP. this might not make sense, but i feel the track list doesnt have a lot of "flow". like, riverside park as the first non-tour track? and then daisy cruiser right afterwards? while both of those tracks are pretty easy, i dont think theyre as simple as the openers we actually got. toad circuit and choco mountain dont have a lot going on when compared to riverside and cruiser. sure, choco mountain has the bats and boulders, but i feel they're less of an obstacle and more of a spectacle, especially compared to the ptooies. say what you will about Toad's circuit, but it works as a simple first course for beginners. by putting it in the turnip cup, youre removing its entire purpose. swapping the rainbow roads is also sorta weird too. sure, 3DS is more grandiose, but Wii is the fan favourite, and i dont know if having it as the halfway point would allow it to hit as hard as it did. and not having LA in wave 5 is weird, since it always seemed like an obligatory summer course to me. it'd be like having Amsterdam in wave 3. i could go on with other small placement nitpicks (although airship fortress as the penultimate wave 3 track is genius.) these are all admittedly small issues since the track selections themselves are really good, but their placements and order could definitely be tweaked.

[@HDRookie]

I definitely get where you're coming from. The way I see it, Nintendo lives off of being unpredictable. Traditional wisdom would usually have them starting off with a circuit, but we've also seen Moo Moo Meadows and Peach Beach lead off shell cups too. I also think 3DS RR ordinarily is seen as stronger than Wii RR. (at least in prior years). There's been a lot of recency bias though and it's syncing up with a Wii nostalgia tidal wave, I think. Typically happens 15 years later when the kids grow up. Surprisingly, LA was originally in Wave 4 too!

[@TalentedWharf]

I actually agree with your logic for keeping toad circuit, however, there are a couple of changes I would make: 1. I would keep Koopa cape (but with the tunnel section fixed) since its already returned in 7 so won't be in the next game anyway. I would take it over dry dry ruins and put back in sunset wilds (this time with the sunset) instead of Luigi circuit to still have a desert track. 2. To still give Luigi some representation, I would replace Peach gardens with Luigi's mansion. 3. I would put Piranha plant cove in wave 5 to go alongside Petey Piranha and push squeaky clean sprint back to wave 6, meaning Wario shipyard could go in wave 6, 3DS RR could go back to wave 3, Wii RR could go back to wave 6 and maple treeway back to wave 3. I did this because I think Wii Rainbow road is a much better fit for the final track than 3DS RR. It's harder and way more hyped by fans so definitely fits better.

[@HDRookie]

Not sure they could pull off 2 hefty water tracks in Wave 6 like that. But otherwise I like the changes here, they make sense.

[@TalentedWharf]

@@HDRookie That is a good point. I would put Wario Shipyard in Wave 4 but I'm not sure what to replace it with.

[@antoniowolanin-theantoniow4120]

If I remade Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass: Wave 1: March 18th: Golden Dash Cup: 1. Tour New York Minute 2. 3DS Daisy Hills 3. DS Shroom Ridge 4. Wii Coconut Mall Lucky Cat Cup: 5. Tour Tokyo Blur 6. 3DS Toad Circuit 7. N64 Choco Mountain 8. Ninja Hideaway Wave 2: August 4th: Turnip Cup: 9. Tour Paris Promenade 10. SNES Mario Circuit 2 11. Wii Mushroom Gorge 12. Sky-High Sundae Propeller Cup: 13. Tour London Loop 14. GBA Boo Lake 15. N64 Kalimari Desert 16. DS Waluigi Pinball Wave 3: December 7th: Rock Cup: 17. Tour Los Angeles Laps 18. 3DS Shy Guy Bazaar 19. SNES Bowser Castle 3 20. Wii Maple Treeway Moon Cup: 21. Tour Vancouver Velocity 22. DS Luigi's Mansion 23. Merry Mountain 24. 3DS Rainbow Road Wave 4: March 9th: Fruit Cup: 25. Tour Berlin Byways 26. GBA Peach Circuit 27. DS Airship Fortress 28. Yoshi's Island Boomerang Cup: 29. Tour Sydney Sprint 30. GCN Waluigi Stadium 31. Wii DK Summit 32. Tour Singapore Speedway Wave 5: July 12th: Feather Cup: 33. Tour Amsterdam Drift 34. GBA Riverside Park 35. GCN Daisy Cruiser 36. Squeaky Clean Sprint Cherry Cup: 37. Tour Bangkok Rush 38. GBA Sunset Wilds 39. Wii Koopa Cape 40. Tour Athens Dash Wave 6: November 9th: Acorn Cup: 41. Tour Rome Avanti 42. GCN DK Mountain 43. Wii Moonview Highway 44. Piranha Plant Cove Spiny Cup: 45. Tour Madrid Drive 46. N64 Frappe Snowland 47. GBA Bowser Castle 4 48. Wii Rainbow Road Characters: Wave 1: Hammer Bro/Nabbit Wave 2: Diddy Kong/Peachette Wave 3: Pauline/Wiggler Wave 4: Birdo/King Bob-omb Wave 5: Kamek/Chargin' Chuck Wave 6: Petey Piranha/Funky Kong/Dixie Kong/R.O.B.

[@somerandompixie]

I really enjoyed this video and the courses you choose! IMO though I think removing Toads Circuit and adding DDJ in the second wave would’ve been a good choice. And Koopa Cape leaving was sad but other than all that the tracks were all pretty good!

[@HDRookie]

I don't think they would put DKM and DDJ into together. It's just not a realistic redo, in my mind.

[@somerandompixie]

@@HDRookie yea I know lol, just something I would’ve liked :) still an amazing video!!

[@SMPSMLParodies_]

ngl for wave 6 you coulda added frappe snowland, its a simple track too but its cozy and chilling, kinda like one of those tracks where you get a break from all the craziness and hecticness from a normal mario kart track, and i was slight slight triggered when you mentioned about how peach gardens reverse was a terrible idea, i got very excited when they incorporated it because it felt exciting, but nothenless, W picks, Bangkok desperately fits wave 5, it has that sunset atmosphere and the number 5 feels fitting and i was so happy when you picked BC4 it is so underappreciatedd

[@HDRookie]

You don't have to agree on everything. Casually speaking Peach Gardens was kinda interesting, but I just find races to end in really spammy ways with the big cut at the end. It's so good you have to take it even in top spots, but it massively slows you down compared to everyone else behind you

[@SMPSMLParodies_]

@@HDRookie i accept your opinion I just never got the hate for it

[@SMPSMLParodies_]

@@HDRookie I also like how the other players behind go the other way and you try hit them

[@CaptainRillaboom]

In my opinion, keeping Toad Circuit is still a bad idea, and it’s even worse because we have a starter course in Wave 2, instead of Wave 1. The Booster Course Pass uses Tour tracks, and Toad Circuit wasn’t changed. Therefore, if it got in Mario Kart 9 instead, it could have got a glow-up, with antigravity, and maybe good use of the new gimmick of the next game. They could honestly make it decently interesting if it was remade in a future Mario Kart game. IMO, we should have 3DS Mario Circuit as the second course of the Golden Dash Cup because it’s one of the better circuit tracks. Except it’s not TOAD CIRCUT BABYYYYYYYYY

[@HDRookie]

Well, they could've given Toad Circuit a glowup in MK8 with antigravity if they really wanted to. They just chose not to - not sure if this would change for MK9.

[@CaptainRillaboom]

@@HDRookie The BCP doesn’t really give glow-ups to the 3DS tracks because the whole point of it is preserving Tour tracks, so in Wave 1, they ported Tour models in 8DX with very few changes. So no, Toad Circuit wouldn’t get that glow-up in the BCP.

[@CaptainRillaboom]

I can't help but think that 3DS Rainbow Road would feel a bit off as an ending to the BCP if there was Wii Rainbow Road in Wave 3 too.

[@HDRookie]

I would be surprised - I feel like it was actually more popular for quite a long time. But MKWii is hitting its nostalgia era right now with the people growing up with it getting older now, and the Booster Pass putting it as the final track feels like it drove its popularity up even further.

[@CaptainRillaboom]

@@HDRookieIt deserves it though X)

[@RudeRabit]

I think you messed up on Madrid Drive. Had it been released in wave 5, that would mean it would’ve released in the Booster Course Pass before it was in Tour. And yes, I know very well that this isn’t new. There’s plenty of tracks that do the same, and even some Tour nitro tracks that do the same aswell. But none of the non city Tour nitros are labeled with a Tour prefix, and it’s to prevent confusion. They could get away with just calling those “brand new” because there’s simply no reason to question it. If Madrid Drive was added to the BCP before Tour, they can’t just get away with calling it “brand new” because then that’s weird in context to everything else. And it’s just as weird and confusing to say it’s from Tour if it wasn’t at the time. If I were you, I would swap Athens Dash and Madrid Drive to leave out that confusion.

[@HDRookie]

Technically Sydney Sprint 3 debuted in MK8 also, but that is one section. My idea here is they just change their Tour schedule to begin with to have Madrid release earlier in this timeline, rather than changing the order on MK8.

[@RudeRabit]

@@HDRookie I guess, but I figured we were only changing the Booster Course Pass, and not Tour’s schedule aswell

[@HDRookie]

@RudeRabit I think it is a minor enough detail that it doesn't particularly bother me, even if true. My thought is that they planned certain courses for Tour and 8D. If they really wanted Madrid in wave 5, it could've happened I think, especially since they finished their courses in 2022. I'd agree with you if I had it in like Wave 1 probably.

[@Lxife]

Im good with all these but the feather cup makes me feel uneasy... maybe replacing Luigi Circuit with a revamped Sky Gardens would be good

[@CaptainRillaboom]

How I would fix the BCP: Golden Dash: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Lucky Cat Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Turnip Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Propeller Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Rock Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Moon Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Fruit Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Boomerang Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Feather Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Cherry Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Acorn Cup: Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Spiny Cup Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road Wii Rainbow Road

[@AlolanAlomomola]

People forget that Toad Circuit being bad is not an objective fact, it's an opinion. Seeing it return might make someone smile because they are nostalgic about it or they love the music. That happens to me with Wii Luigi Circuit.

[@DE23]

more than 1 bowser castle therefore this track selection is a 10 billion out of 10

[@jonathonwarriner9799]

Keeping the same amount of tracks from each game, here’s what I would’ve chosen: Wave 1: March 18th Paris Promininade GBA Sky Garden N64 Choco Mountain Wii Coconut Mall New York Minute DS Waluigi Pinball 3DS Rock Rock Mountain Nitro Ninja Hideaway Wave 2: August 4th Tokyo Blur SNES Mario Circuit 4 N64 Kalimari Desert DS Airship Fortress Sydney Sprint GBA Boo Lake Wii Koopa Cape Nitro Sky High Sundae Wave 3: December 7th Madrid Drive GBA Snow Land 3DS Rosalina’s Ice World Wii DK Summit Vancouver Velocity Nitro Merry Mountain DS Bowsers Castle 3DS Rainbow Road Wave 4: March 9th Amsterdam Drift GBA Riverside Park Wii Mushroom George Nitro Yoshi’s Island London Loup DS Shroom Ridge GCN Wario’s Coliseum Bangkok Rush Wave 5: July 12th Berlin Byways GCN Daisy Cruiser Wii Toad’s Factory Nitro Piranha Plant Cove LA Laps GBA Lakeside Park Wii Dry Dry Dessert Athens Dash Wave 6: November 9th Rome Avanti 3DS Wario’s Shipyard Wii Maple Treeway Nitro Squeaky Clean Sprint Singapore Speedway GCN DK Mountain SNES Bowsers Castle Wii Rainbow Road

[@HDRookie]

I think this is fun, but some of the favorites included here wouldn't be eligible. Otherwise I would've included them too!

[@ProjectMirai64]

Nice video!

[@CaptainRillaboom]

I would replace Toad Circuit with 3DS Mario Circuit because it’s actually one of the better circuit tracks in the franchise, while still being quite easy.

[@FanThemePark]

Your moon cup would probably be the best cup in the game if it was real!

[@wes186]

Great Booster Course Pass but doesn't have Wario Shipyard and Airship Fortress right next to each other kind of have a theme overlap?

[@HDRookie]

Never thought about is this way, honestly. Shipyard does have a ship, but I would say it's only a short part of the track with some clear differences in their locations.

[@Flygalia]

I think that, assuming that we HAD to have a SNES Mario Circuit, I would’ve chosen either SNES Mario Circuit 1 with the lap count changed to 5 Laps or RMX Mario Circuit. Or hell, use SNES Mario Circuit 4, not being in Tour be damned. otherwise, pretty good choices in this. 64 honestly needed a bit more tracks in the BCP and that’s my hugest gripe with the DLC.

[@HDRookie]

I refuse to believe a SNES MC was necessary. I think RMX was the best option, followed by MC2. Honestly would've preferred none though.

[@owenbryant7862]

Who's here after Sir musty Reacted to HDRookie

[@samtheg1801]

Fyi: Madrid Drive wasn't released yet when the waves he put them in came out

[@HDRookie]

I think it existed, it was just unreleased. It was originally planned for Wave 5 according to the datamines.

[@samtheg1801]

@@HDRookie oh ok sorry I'll edit it now

[@RudeRabit]

⁠@@HDRookieIt still doesn’t make much sense in my opinion. Like, how would they be able to claim a track is from Tour if it wasn’t yet?

[@RayoMcQueen95990]

@@RudeRabitthey did that for the Tour originals tho

[@RudeRabit]

@@RayoMcQueen95990 yeah, but that’s because those can pass as “brand new” because of how silly and Mario-like those ones are. The Tour cities are strictly based on real life cities. So it would be jarring if they introduced a random real life city as a “brand new” track while all the other Tour cities are said to be from Tour.

[@pvzmariosonica8fan]

You should have put New York Minute in the Moon Cup. Its inspiration was Odyssey's Metro Kingdom

[@jlbwho7913]

Fun video There is one N64 track thats never been remade, wario stadium. Id love to see it return but im thinking Nintendo will want that to be a shock return for the next game.

[@vroom0925]

Madrid and Rome both definitely feel like summer courses to me (Rome being set at night as a nice summer evening, Madrid being sunny and when football is mostly played in) so good choice sticking those two in wave 5! Edit: Madrid, Athens and Rome all existed by wave 5. They were all completed by late 2022 but released in 2023. Not sure why people are saying they didn’t exist when they most certainly did at that point.

[@kittenfan7664]

people forget when madrid released. AFTER wave 5 launched

[@RudeRabit]

@@kittenfan7664that’s what I’m saying

[@spawn3721]

there's one TINY detail, Madrid Drive didn't exist back then

[@vroom0925]

@@spawn3721it did, datamines point to Madrid being done sometime in late 2022

[@bulborb8756]

to be fair, the reason SNES courses are rarely picked as retro courses is that they are really basic and simple, but would need significant overhauls like they did with Bowser Castle 3

[@HDRookie]

It's the hope that BC3 is the new template again for the future

[@bulborb8756]

yeah since BC3 should be the template of how to modernize an SNES track going forward

[@bluebrickmax]

As much as I love Luigi's Mansion, I'd love even more for them to make a brand new version now they have the newer games for reference.

[@bob171]

If I remade the BCP: Golden Dash Cup: .Tour Paris Promenade .SNES Mario Circuit 1 .N64 Choco Mountain .Wii Coconut Mall Lucky Cat Cup: .Tour Tokyo Blur .DS Shroom Ridge .GBA Sky Garden .Ninja Hideaway Turnip Cup: .Tour London Loop .N64 Kalimari Desert .GBA Snow Land .DS Waluigi Pinball Propeller Cup: .Tour Berlin Byways .3DS Shy Guy Bazaar .Wii Mushroom Gorge .Sky-High Sundae Rock Cup: .Tour Singapore Speedway .DS Peach Gardens .3DS Rock Rock Mountain .Wii Maple Treeway Moon Cup: .Tour New York Minute .GBA Boo Lake .Merry Mountain .3DS Rainbow Road Fruit Cup: .Tour Amsterdam Drift .GCN Waluigi Stadium .Wii Moonview Highway .Yoshi's Island Boomerang Cup: .Tour Sydney Sprint .Wii DK Summit .GCN Dino Dino Jungle .Tour Los Angeles Laps Feather Cup: .Tour Athens Dash .GBA Sunset Wilds .GCN Daisy Cruiser .Tour Bangkok Rush Cherry Cup: .Tour Rome Avanti .Wii Koopa Cape .GBA Lakeside Park .Squeaky Clean Sprint Acorn Cup: .Tour Vancouver Velocity .Wii Dry Dry Ruins .DS Airship Fortress .Pirahna Plant Cove Spiny Cup: .Tour Madrid Drive .3DS Rosalina's Ice World .SNES Bowser's Castle 3 .Wii Rainbow Road (Characters) Wave 1: Hammer Bro Wave 2: Diddy Kong Wave 3: Pauline/Wiggler Wave 4: Birdo Wave 5: Kamek Wave 6: Petey Pirahna/Funky Kong

[@HDRookie]

I think if we're bringing back a SNES MC from Tour, I'd stick with 3 or pivot to 2. I suppose MC1 was a DS retro, but it was also wifi playable and pretty simple, imo. I should've added characters to this too, TBH. I would've chosen the same swap out as you though.

[@bob171]

​​​@@HDRookieI picked MC1 because its the first track in the entire series. MC3 to me is the worst one they could have brought back. 1 is atleast the first track ever, and 2 has a glider ramp at the end. MC4 also would have been perfect since it hasn't been remade ever, but it never got added to Tour.

[@beatziegraham6928]

So Toad’s Circuit being in MK8DX means that the next game will have to have Figure 8 Circuit!? Yes!!!

[@HDRookie]

Not necessarily now, haha. Don't think you're ever going to have a situation where one very simple track won't be in though.

[@koosloo_ulia]

As nice as having 2 bowsers castles is, due to the way the tour version of Bowser Castle 4 is made it physically can’t be ported without issues: the track is a one lap in tour with 2 sections. You can’t just artificially cram in a third section because that’d be the same length as playing any given course only to lap 2, and you can’t make it 2 full, sectionless laps without it being equivalent to playing any track for 4 laps. Scaling could help but you’d need to scale it BIG time, which would make things either super crammed and tight or overly open and boring. There just isn’t a world were BC4 works out. 3DS BC is the only alternative to it if you’d want 2 separate BCs in the BCP.

[@HDRookie]

I don't agree that there's no logistical way. 8DX runs much faster than Tour; that's why they were able to retain 3 laps for Wii RR, which is built similarly to BC4 in Tour. Worst case scenario you could always go the Wario Colosseum route if you think it'd be pushing 3+ minutes. I think they could scale it smaller in 8DX though without ruining it's playability too - the track has many long straights. They probably made it bigger than it needed to be in Tour just so it wasn't completed in under a minute.

[@koosloo_ulia]

@@HDRookie yes it has straight aways but it also has a lot of narrow sections, thats why its hard to scale because you can’t make one work without ruining the other. As for the Wii RR example, it’s incredibly obvious that tours version of Wii rainbow road was meant to be the normal 2 laps. However it got scaled up so that they could justify splitting it in half. There is a reason everyone hates tour version of Wii RR: it isn’t made with tour in mind, but instead 8DX. So when they found out you could get a stupidly high score in it, they took the easy way out and scaled it so it could be scaled back down for 8.

[@HDRookie]

​@koosloo_ulia I don't think BC4 can't be fixed at all still. The track worked in MKSC already, and the main difference was despite all the turns being there, they didn't make it larger. I do get that messing with the proportions can make the finished product uneven, if they don’t rescale it all. But you can make the entire map 10% smaller - and that wouldn't force them to change the angles of any turns at all. I think most of the tracks was quite wide too. Personally, I think BC4 was not really a great fit in Tour either, despite that being the only game the remake launched for

[@koosloo_ulia]

@@HDRookie Even 10% is a notable amount for some sections like the pillars, image being a lightweight on that section with other players. BC4 was definitely a bad pick for tour, but that doesn't make it a good pick for 8. Its just without scaling, which would still mess things up as I have restated, a track that has 2 sections can't be ported to a game with 3 sections (especially when the only 3 section in tour, 3DS RR, proves that 3 are the only way things can work due to how well it plays)

[@HDRookie]

@@koosloo_ulia I'm aware that 10% is a notable amount - I still think it would work fine scaled down. Most of the track is longer than it needs to be and plenty of tracks have thin sections. Maple Treeway is one of the most popular courses of all time and has an extended hallway at the end of every lap that barely gives any breathing room.

[@knighterslife6174]

I actually don't mind toad circuit just somthin about it maybe the colours it's nice and enjoyable. I'm against the norm where I actually mutual with ninja hideaway

[@RudeRabit]

I haven’t watched the video yet, but Imma share my ideas here: Golden Dash Cup: Tour Paris Promenade SNES Mario Circuit 3 N64 Choco Mountain Wii Coconut Mall Lucky Cat Cup: Tour Tokyo Blur GBA Sky Garden DS Luigi’s Mansion Tour Ninja Hideaway Turnip Cup: Tour New York Minute GCN Mushroom Bridge N64 Kalimari Desert DS Waluigi Pinball Propeller Cup: Tour Sydney Sprint GBA Snow Land Wii Mushroom Gorge Tour Sky High Sundae Rock Cup: Tour London Loop GBA Boo Lake 3DS Rock Rock Mountain Tour Vancouver Velocity Moon Cup: Tour Berlin Byways DS Peach Gardens Tour Merry Mountain 3DS Rainbow Road Fruit Cup: Tour Amsterdam Drift GBA Riverside Park Wii DK Summit Tour Yoshi’s Island Boomerang Cup: Tour Bangkok Rush N64 Frappe Snowland DS Airship Fortress Tour Singapore Speedway Feather Cup: Tour Athens Dash GCN Daisy Cruiser Wii Moonview Highway Tour Squeaky Clean Sprint Cherry Cup: Tour Los Angeles Laps GBA Sunset Wilds Wii Koopa Cape Tour Piranha Plant Cove Acorn Cup: Tour Rome Avanti Wii Maple Treeway GCN Waluigi Stadium Tour Piranha Plant Pipeline Spiny Cup: Tour Madrid Drive GCN DK Mountain SNES Bowser Castle 3 Wii Rainbow Road

[@SB2749]

Your reasoning on these was pretty sound for the most part, tho I'd say I disagree with a couple of your choices like leaving Koopa Cape out, the placement of the Rainbow Roads and Wave 3 having two Bowser-adjacent tracks

[@HDRookie]

What Wii track would you take out to make space for KC? I reached my personal cap for Wii courses.

[@SB2749]

@@HDRookie I regret to say this because I do like that track, but unfortunately I'd still keep out DDR. Even if I'm not too particularly fond of its version in MK8 compared to the original, KC to me feels too big to leave out when several of the other big super popular Wii tracks are in. Granted, under something more like the current BCP we have I would have gladly taken it over Daisy Circuit, but alas, it is what it is.

[@darkspyro46]

19:38 On the bright side, the theme got a remix in the Mario & Sonic series. And it's a banger! If you're not familiar with it, you should check it out.

[@HDRookie]

Groove Pipeyard, yep. I used to make MKW Mods, and it was a featured song on a trailer I made a few years back!

[@jameskelly-smith1279]

I had made my own version of this before seeing this. I'll just put this below. Feel free to ask questions. Golden Mushroom Cup Paris Promenade Daisy Hills Shroom Ridge Coconut Mall Lucky Cat Cup Tokyo Blur Cheep Cheep Island Choco Mountain Ninja Hideaway Turnip Cup London Loop Mario Circuit 2 Kalimari Desert Waluigi Pinball Propeller Cup Sydney Sprint Wario Shipyard Mushroom Gorge Piranha Plant Pipeline (or Sky High Sundae) Rock Cup Berlin Byways Boo Lake Peach Gardens Insert sarcastic comment about Rock Rock Mountain being in the Rock Cup Moon Cup New York Minute Waluigi Stadium Merry Mountain Wii Rainbow Road Fruit Cup Amsterdam Drift Koopa Troopa Beach DK Summit Yoshi's Island Boomerang Cup LA Laps GBA Luigi Circuit Mushroom Bridge Singapore Speedway Feather Cup Athens Dash Koopa Cape Daisy Cruiser Squeaky Clean Sprint Cherry Cup Bangkok Rush Lakeside Park Bowser Castle 3 Madrid Drive Acorn Cup Vancouver Velocity Frappe Snowland or Snow Land Maple Treeway Piranha Plant Cove Blue Shell Cup Rome Avanti Dino Dino Jungle Airship Fortress 3DS Rainbow Road

[@shanegiorgio4713]

On one hand I understand your defense of Toad Circuit. On the other hand Figure 8 Circuit for Mario Kart 8, its a match made in heavan (though I doubt they'd do figure 8 and Mario Circuit from DS at the same time so maybe replace it with a Star cup track from 7 to comphensate, I'd go with Wario Shipyard personally)

[@HDRookie]

I would've swapped TC for F8C, had it been in Tour. And maybe pair it with 3DS MC

[@ericgrasso3066]

If I were to design the Booster Course Pass, it would turn out like this: Wave 1 Golden Dash Cup: Tour Paris Promenade 3DS Toad Circuit DS Shroom Ridge Tour New York Minute Lucky Cat Cup: Tour Tokyo Blur Wii Coconut Mall N64 Choco Mountain Ninja Hideaway New Characters: Nabbit and Peachette Wave 2 Turnip Cup: Tour London Loop SNES Mario Circuit 3 Wii Mushroom Gorge DS Waluigi Pinball Propeller Cup: Tour Los Angeles Laps GCN Mushroom Bridge GBA Sky Garden Sky High Sundae New Characters: Diddy Kong and Hammer Bro. Wave 3 Rock Cup: Tour Berlin Byways Wii Maple Treeway 3DS Rock Rock Mountain SNES Bowser Castle 3 Moon Cup: Tour Vancouver Velocity DS Luigi’s Mansion Merry Mountain 3DS Rainbow Road New Characters: Pauline and Kamek Wave 4 Fruit Cup: Tour Amsterdam Drift GBA Peach Circuit DS Airship Fortress Yoshi's Island Boomerang Cup: Tour Sydney Sprint Wii DK Summit GCN Waluigi Stadium Tour Singapore Speedway New Characters: Birdo and King Bob-omb Wave 5 Feather Cup: Tour Athens Dash GCN Daisy Cruiser GBA Riverside Park Squeaky Clean Sprint Cherry Cup: Tour Bangkok Rush SNES Koopa Beach 2 N64 Kalimari Desert Piranha Plant Cove New Characters: Petey Piranha and Wiggler Wave 6 Acorn Cup: Tour Rome Avanti GCN DK Mountain Wii Moonview Highway Piranha Plant Pipeline Spiny Cup: Tour Madrid Drive N64 Frappe Snowland GBA Bowser’s Castle 4 Wii Rainbow Road New Characters: Funky Kong, Dixie Kong, Chargin Chuck, and R.O.B.

[@pustak7202]

interesting choices, not having rock rock mountain and moonview highway would be sad but that is just my opinion. I do think you didn't fo a very good job determining what tour tracks could be the last of a cup, both LA laps and Madrid drive do not have that vibe, i think the possible tracks for that are the ones we got and perhaps Athens dash. I think including snow land is kinda important as it is a fan favorite now and it really sucked before with the earthquake so bringing it back and fixing it seems important. I also think N64 Bowser's castle would be a better fit than GBA Bowser's castle 4, as i'm pretty sure it's a fan favorite track, and it would be nice to give it an upgrade. I think other than all that you did a pretty good job here

[@HDRookie]

Keep in mind, N64 BC was not eligible. I respectfully disagree on the Tour cities - LA originally was slated to be the last wave 4 track, and Madrid was in actuality, the final one overall.

[@Peppizza73]

​@HDRookie Yeah, if (N64) BC would be in "Base" 8, this is what it would happen. DS: 4/4 - (SNES) RR 🌈 (Replacing (SNES) Ci2) Wii: 4/4 - (N64) RR 🌈 (Replacing (N64) BC) 3DS: 4/4 - (GBA) RR 🌈 (Replacing the SNES one) BASE 8: 🍁 Leaf Cup: 4/4 - (N64) BC 🔥 (Replacing Yoshi Valley) ⚡️ Lightning Cup: (GCN) RR 🌈 (Replacing the N64 one) Also, I thought (Tour) Rome Avanti was originally the final track in the Feather. Does Madrid actually have an beta music.

[@HDRookie]

@@Peppizza73 Don't know, but may have been. It could've been Bangkok for all we know too.

[@rebirthphoenix5646]

Honestly I would actually take this DLC over what Nintendo gave us, other than the obvious loss of Koopa Cape, Moonview Highway, and in a sense both Rock Rock Mountain and even Sunset Wilds for its music, what you chose was exactly what I would’ve wanted to see. I think I’d want to see Yoshi Desert, Lakeside Park, and Piranha Plant Pipeline too but I understand why they wouldn’t be in it.

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

I’d make these changes: 3DS Toad Circuit -> Wii Luigi Circuit

[@gameygames135]

I like Toad Circuit I wanted you talk about the Toad balloons looking weird

[@De_an]

I honestly like this selection more than the one we got simply because the removal of Moonview Highway and Daisy Circuit leaves more tracks open for the future. With how it is now, there's a chance that MK11's Wii selection will be really, really mid.

[@generalcrab0009]

11? Bro we haven’t even gotten 10 yet

[@HDRookie]

I'd say it would allow them to bring back more in the next game. Effects would still be seen long before 11.

[@rustyshackleford234]

10 will probably have toad’s factory, dry dry ruins, and one of the circuits. It’s kinda mid but toad’s factory is cool.

[@Jabinmk8]

Merry Christmas Rookie!

[@HDRookie]

Merry Christmas to you!

[@browniebro102]

I was thinking about the full rainbow road cup too.

[@drrichardew7878]

Am I legit the only person who adores rock rock mountain? Every time I see people talk about what they would change in the BCP they ALWAYS get rid of it, and it makes me so sad :(

[@HDRookie]

Just not a fan of the glider physics in this game compared to MK7, tbh

[@sonicjhiq]

I do wonder if toad circuit came before Paris Promenade (since it makes no sense being the 2nd track) and had better visuals if it still would be as disliked as harshly

[@onyxify]

some of these swapouts are crazy

[@vexedtrack277]

Could you do your predictions for the next set of retros in the next mario kart game?

[@vexedtrack277]

Also up until mario kart 8s original dlc no track was remade more than once so next game they might go back to only bringing back tracks that haven’t been remade in a game yet (not including your)

[@vexedtrack277]

tour

[@HDRookie]

Eventually, yes. Some other topics definitely need addressed before that though. Gotta give wave 6 some time to simmer.

[@superpekkachu]

I think BC3 is great in Rock, but i would've also expected Rock Rock Mountain in the same place because, come on. 🤪🤪

[@yonderjam]

I personally would have Piranha Plant Pipeline in the pass. I would have it in Wave 6, with Rosalina's Ice World replacing the second GCN slot instead of Daisy Circuit, and Piranha Plant Pipeline being the third slot of the Spiny Cup. Some may say that it being there doesn't make sense as it's too similar to Piranha Plant Slide and a Bowser's Castle NEEDS to come before Rainbow Road. For the former, both tracks are as similar as both Sherbet Lands, with Slide focused on the underground, and Pipeline focused on Warp Pipes. For the latter, Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, 7 & 8's Lightning Cup, the Triforce cup, and the Moon cup say hello.

[@jameskelly-smith1279]

I think it would go well in Wave 2. Sky High Sundae is generally considered trash so losing it wouldn't hurt too much, and the simpler graphics of the Wave would go well with the track (as if there was much to even look at).

[@MrPromethium0157]

Why didn’t we get any arcade tracks?

[@TRLG284here]

cuz they are not mainline or console at all

[@HDRookie]

Simply just weren't eligible for this project. Kind of a shame. Bowser’s Factory goes hard.

[@WubbaizyShipper1]

@@TRLG284here *cough cough* Tour *cough*

[@Melchirobin]

Honestly I would have just swapped Maple Treeway and PPC cause then u have all the new tracks as the last track of the first cup. I would have tried to squeeze Koopa Cape in there too since that was one of my favorite courses but I get why u left it out.

[@thisisthisis542]

Man I really hope Sunset wilds and DK summit can be brought back relatively soon in future games which can properly transfer it on the hardware. Obvious Sunset and layout issues with Sunset Wilds, but blizzard and physics issues for DK Summit

[@HDRookie]

Not sure DKS has a shot. Kinda feels like they brought back the half pipes specifically for it in the BCP.

[@thisisthisis542]

@@HDRookie yeah and after playing it more and more, I’m pretty satisfied with it. Still the absolute legend of a track that it was, just without a blizzard. Sunset Wilds had resounding feedback though, I wouldn’t be shocked if it was brought back pretty soon

[@zombielurlur]

honestly i dont even get the "piranha plant pipeline" being too similar to piranha plant slide, and even if you think so dk mountain and dk summit are both donkey kong themed courses that start at the bottom of a mountain, go up in a cannon and go back down, and even than the original name for piranha plant pipeline in Japan is "warp pipe canyon" so even then its technically not even a piranha plant themed course. #justiceforPPP

[@CaptainRillaboom]

Let’s be honest, you’re just finding excuses to not admit that your only argument to keep Toad Circuit is because it’s TOAD CIRCUIT BABYYYYYYYY