He wins in every category, but then shoots his own foot... | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck

[@cbyrne08]

The number of replays ive seen where the reason a person loses is becasue they wont just a move is hilarious. He could have legit a moved into his main base and went afk and won. Harstem should start a series , "Afk to Masters" where he wins every game by hitting a move and walking away from his computer.

[@2639theboss]

The number of TERRAN replays. Terran is like the race for all the city-building gamers with enough OCD that they want to memorize a build order.

[@TeddJohnson]

I think the fact that my APM sucks has served me better as a terran than if I had good micro. A-Move win is my only move.

[@Sara_Feingold]

@@TeddJohnson Better to play with awareness of your personal strengths and weaknesses than to do whatever it is that Pock was doing XD

[@2639theboss]

@@TeddJohnson Have you tried zerg? IMO, as a masters zerg, its the easiest A-move race until maybe like plat? If youre opponents arent able to build walls or break off parts of their army, A-moving lings is genuinely a winning strategy like 90% of the time.

[@TeddJohnson]

@@2639theboss I haven't in a long time, but maybe I'll mix it up into some other races. I'm probably Plat1, maybe D3 on my solo terrain but mostly play 2v2 with my brother

[@theastralwanderer]

Pock: *complains about protoss being an a-move race* Pock: *could literally just a-move and win* Pock: *loses* Pock: :0

[@j4im3g0nz4l3zTGK26]

i just died with the Charlie Sheen reference.

[@pinkster112]

same

[@John97857]

Same here! I was in the middle of eating lunch too and almost made a huge mess of my computer monitor, LOL

[@GoXDS]

this was one of the most painful matches I've seen yet

[@SailorMercury6449]

Truly lol. The delusional of sending in a replay like this and thinking you were in the right. It's shows the sad state of Pock's mind lol

[@Dragon-Believer]

This is like BGWSS level: impossible. Every time you kill an enemy unit you have to stim your army and run away.

[@ThunderChanter]

I dunno I still think the one with the dude complaining about how broken mech is as he sent wave after wave of zealot into planetaries guarded by BCs was the worst, but this is right up there

[@Orangepie86]

One of the funniest ones yet. All he had to do was A-move to win. Had like 10 minutes of only needing to A move, then accuses his opponent of having an A-move race 😂😂😂

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

This is a candidate for greatest throw.

[@LeicaFleury]

The most painful example of negative micro I've seen in my entire life holy freaking crap

[@EternalHappElements]

A move is the A tier move.

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

yeah, the key is just to build an army that is good at A moving. For terran, that's easy, it's all units. For Z or P there's some units you have to leave out, like stalker.

[@1.-ulysses334]

And Stop is an S tier move.

[@Junebug89]

A to build em, A to move em.

[@ZerglingLover]

Stim is the S tier move

[@inmundo6927]

​@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd its not all units. You cant A move marines against zerg (lings, banes), or even anything against lurkers....unless you want to immediately lose your entire army. Cant A move marauders against flying units. Cant A move thors alone against lings, or else their dps is too slow and they get surrounded, etc etc etc. Can't A move tanks against zealots, or same story.. and definitely can't A move against protoss if they got any disruptors or storms.....

[@chloesmith4065]

16:46 - the viking move was to scan and snipe the observer (mission accomplished) - unfortunately for our genius terran, there was another observer...(And of course colossi can just see over that cliff...)

[@viktordoe1636]

This guy completely misunderstood the concept of stutter step

[@fetherfulbiped]

I unironically think this guy should take a look at the starcraft 2 master challenges, you don't really have to properly stutter-step anywhere but you need to be able to kite at least a bit to win some of them, that would definitely help his micro

[@Dragon-Believer]

Anything would help his micro. This is most negative micro in this series.

[@Skorpyotnt]

No micro will help his micro. That's the level we're on.

[@CZProtton]

@@Skorpyotnt No micro is actually good enough to get to diamond. I know, because I got there and legit my micro is absolutely horrible. Which is why I just amove and go back to building units faster than the oponent can kill them. Only does not work against a turtle, but sieging is easy as hell for a macro player like me anyway.

[@JustKiddin99]

Harstem, your game 1 vs GunGFuBanDa yesterday in the group stage was so impressive. Can you please make a video casting it from your point of view?

[@benediktotto6191]

I second that motion.

[@leitwolf101]

Would be awesome. That was a epic game.

[@SimpleOne_000]

Yeah, that was very good. Especially liked the move where he escaped a surround in the top left, real quick thinking on recall&blink

[@mihairo83]

Yeah... when he recalled the Disruptors and blinked back with the Stalkers, all that in a split second. He did make the 1st person view video of his entire group stage matches, and what an impressive run: uThermal, Lambo, Reynor and GungFuBanda. Impresive! I never seen Harstem play as solid like that... like ever.

[@chloesmith4065]

Year of the Harstem \o/

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

He acted like protoss was campaign protoss and will balst him with spear of Adun topbar if he fights for more than 3 sec or something lmfaoo

[@Haduuna_Wrur]

I feel like he was waiting for like... The moment he got stuck in a fight the protoss would do a run-by or something, which is hilarious considering protoss never once even tried it, and he only did one drop (which he bailed on before he actually landed) Buy yeah, big agree lol, man was waiting for fenix to show up or the solar lance to go off

[@marcoCampanella]

One of the best episodes ever. He could literally a-move and win for ten minutes straight, or a-move, outproduce the toss and a-move again, and then he cries about the opponent's a-move race. This really made my day😂

[@chloesmith4065]

Nooooo, he needs to stim and lure his enemy into his tanks...his tanks which are just in the *greatest* position... and slowly but surely soften the unbeatable Protoss army 😂😂

[@jtsyo8364]

Puck liked the line from Contact "Why build one when you can build 2 for twice the price?" Added it to his CC build pan.

[@LC-wv4xi]

Holy shit those sequences when he would stim and run away were funny

[@chloesmith4065]

I couldn't stop laughing, some of the most comical Terran play I've seen in such a long time. Needed a yakety sax music edit

[@jacobscholtissek2410]

3:02 what Harstem doesnt realize we are planning ahead because we know our push wont work so we need the extra gas in the future

[@ZC.Andrew]

It's funny that the submitter actually has terrible micro and decent macro, when they think it's the other way around. The Protoss had the exact opposite issue and ended up winning. Crazy!

[@CZProtton]

The protoss did jack shit, the terran was just so bad he killed himself. Legit was maxed and instead of trading, he waited and skirmished around the toss base, from the lowground, losing some units every time because he stimmed. When the toss maxed himself, he a moved and won. Its quite incredible, Winter used the term "negative micro" often. This was exactly it.

[@ZC.Andrew]

@@CZProtton My favorite was him accusing his opponent for playing the "a-move race" when if he'd just a-moved himself, he'd have won. The irony kills me. XD

[@bekirkakasson163]

Overstims, actually no micro, no drops, funnels all units into a choke against 3 colossus in the last fight ''I HAd bEttER MiCRo aNd sTIlL LoST!!?!?!?''

[@ryan_cowan]

He said he had the same micro and army control as the toss, not better, and loss despite being better at everything else, and he was right. Harstem complimented the protoss for doing the same thing, just moving his army back and forth. But the terran does the same thing and loses. Protoss takes less skill, this game is a great demonstration of that point

[@thereaperSC2]

@@ryan_cowan Wrong. You see in starcraft the least amount of micro you can have isn't zero, it acually goes in the negative. The protoss was having almost zero micro of his army (close to A move despite a few blinks) but the terran was microing his army so bad it wen't in the negative, that's what's called negative micro. Had he just A moved his whole army once he was 40 supply ahead he would have crushed the toss 100%. In conclusion the terran outmicroed himself, but we can still count it as worse micro than the protoss, since he at least wasn't as bad as the terran at it.

[@Skorpyotnt]

@@thereaperSC2 To be fair Protoss had a pretty good micro for his level. He pulled back and didn't chase, waited for reinforcements, replaced lost observers for army vision, fought from the highground, contested siege positions at least some distance away from his base (not panic fighting tanks that shoot at nexus), focused tanks and pulled back after siege animation finished, didn't run into the sieged tanks like half of iodis players do. It's not something exceptional but it is a lot of small things for a plat-level game. He would've been dead like 4 times with just A-moving and close to 0 micro.

[@Junebug89]

@@ryan_cowan Protoss clearly had better micro, he was destroying the terran in the early game but made one small slip up and ended up losing a bunch of stalkers for it. Meanwhile terrans micro was so bad he actually sabotaged himself when he had a massive lead, he actually had negative micro.

[@SlayElsair]

Exactly. Protoss fought at the right time (picked off unprotected vikings and tanks, blinked on fleeing bioball) but held back when he knew he wouldn't win. Decent micro and better than average common sense. Terran, on the other hand, had neither.

[@dustincintron1682]

This guy is very wrong. Protoss has to do way more, and I'm a Terran saying this. Blink micro, sentry spells, kiting colossus safe against a-moving vikings, disruptor spells, storms, keeping observers alive, warp prism, phoenix pickups, oracle spells. I know not ALL those units will be present in 1 battle but many will be. Terran is.. stimming the army. Pre splitting sometimes. Seiging tanks and libs. And just general army movement. Few EMPs here and there in late game

[@Sara_Feingold]

It felt like Pock's stims and melee-meching did more damage to the Terran units than everything PiLLi did XD Even Skynet can't micro like that because it wasn't allowed to self-terminate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( 18:35 Damn, Harstem stole my joke (´。＿。｀) Time for me to volunteer for Pock's army)

[@chloesmith4065]

He really Pocked it up

[@Sorenzo]

The tragedy here is how he would've been extremely far ahead if he had just moved those orbitals into position and set up a massive line of tanks, bunkers, vikings, and turrets with his 8000 extra minerals and 3-base lead. And then build excess production so he could build 20 vikings the moment he opened up supply to deal with the enemy colossi and presumably late-game air. He knew where the enemy army was the entire time, but he was scared of mining his own side of the map and also scared of attacking.

[@thomasb1943]

this was the most frustrating replay i've ever seen.

[@Ashe-A-Lotl]

I was legit shouting. Just ATTACK mate ATTACK

[@chloesmith4065]

"just attack into him! Just stim and a-move, you'll roll over this!"

[@CatacombD]

He bragged about a supply lead, maxed out on supply, and then proceeded to dick around until the protoss caught up to him in army supply. I also enjoyed that he constantly sieged up his tanks against the bottom side of a cliff, and then provided no vision for them. His rotate was dumb as a rotation, but would've been an excellent place to actually siege up, smack dab between the expansion and the third, so that protoss would have to run through a siege to save the 3rd base.

[@grandroyal66]

The things you spit out sometimes are pure comedy gold for me. So thank you for the laughs 😂

[@peterscyro]

The most cowardly Terran army I have ever seen

[@chloesmith4065]

Run away, run awaaay! Brave brave sir Robin

[@joshgoulash4889]

Although it was much better than his micro, I don't think his macro was actually that good after the initial build order. After his initial 3 bases he always has way more workers than he needs, and his +2 upgrades were fairly late despite his economic lead. I'll give you he was good at hitting the "s" and "t" buttons.

[@SlayElsair]

Also that extra base that wasn't doing anything, and that 6k minerals that never materialized into units. He literally would have won had he massed all that resources into supply and steamrolled with it All-in, even if it was mostly bio against Colossi. That's how good his economy was vs Protoss in this game. And that is in my opinion the very definition of bad macro. Although his macro is terrible, it's still better than that of the Protoss.

[@jayurenos]

Dude just pull half the boys, move up the ramp, seige, a move, game over. Probly could do that without the boys .

[@oliverhughes610]

Low level Terrans think that because their units move faster it therefore means their micro is harder or more advanced.

[@Bourinos02]

I truly believe that his own stims made more damage than PiLLi's army...

[@michaelbreedlove348]

If he even converted .1% of his macro into micro, he would have won.

[@ulrichwinkler722]

12:59 This Charlie Sheen reference! Pure gold 😅

[@povilzem]

Terran micro is when stim does more damage to your army than the opponent's.

[@markototev]

This series should be on Netflix.

[@meandmyself1600]

Did he try to lure the Protoss army into range of one single tank and slowly nibble units away?

[@Erebus2075]

5:13 hovering 1k res 4.3 min in; gameover if those where units :P

[@OzoneGrif]

Plock had an army of cowards; always running in front of the ennemy.

[@MeesterG]

Oh, the 'Declinced' is back!? That one was gone right?

[@SZRLM]

Can we see a chart of how many complaints come from Terrans vs literally everyone else?

[@trev6783]

His micro was worse than an A move lol.

[@Adamin_The_III]

I think Pock would greatly benefit from switching to toss

[@Plecto88]

its funny, cause all protoss was doing was to sit back and move command his entire army backwards in his shield battery safe zone. and then just amoved and won. sure terran can do more. a lot more. but if you look at what toss was doing, its kinda crazy.

[@qweytrop572]

8:50 that's a macro CC, captain

[@MrDNE1000]

Macro cc only makes sense if you're not expanding

[@qweytrop572]

@@MrDNE1000 It's a joke about how zergs make macro hatches when they can't spend their money

[@LeicaFleury]

@@MrDNE1000 r/woosh

[@MrDNE1000]

@@qweytrop572 sorry, I've seen people actually do it on terran and justify it because of mules

[@DJ-3maj]

Commit to the fight, stim a-move, and then produce more units as soon as you have supply open. Even if you lose the fight, you will have a larger army when he counterattacks. You don't need to be cost efficient and win every fight if you have more economy and production. gl next

[@chloesmith4065]

He was 200/200 when his opponent was at like 130 supply. I have no idea why he didn't just attack and re-max

[@xHUNT4Rx]

Impressive to see how pin point accurate harstem is. Love this guy a real grandmaster coach. I'd love to send you a video of my recent 1v1 😂 i had some similarity to this. A bit of a Terran habbit.

[@alexfright8217]

The Charlie Sheen line 😂😂😂😂😂

[@wildfox1994]

the best part is that with this army he could simply win just by A move across the map

[@DistrictTerra]

He just needed to go into the army and stim and a move.

[@Erebus2075]

18:53 p just need 2 tempest and a mothership and it's a perfect looking army, maybe 2 carriers for style points, though i always disliked carriers range being so damn short in actual use ;''P

[@unlearningify]

4k resources in the bank and afraid to take a fight on the other side of the map, 😂😥

[@inmundo6927]

12:32 Pock could have easily kill that 3rd if he targets fire his whole army.. 3 to 4 shots... but prefers to, AGAIN, run back..

[@MrJM0B]

The brilliant white complaint form is as brilliant as it is white, but it hurts my eyes

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

Lost with 6.5k mins and 2k gas .... well

[@chloesmith4065]

Also 96 workers but less income lol

[@poweraffe]

I just LOVE this man Harstem please never stop this ! I love you

[@mickcraftgaming]

Pock could have A moved at several points in that match and won it - he was his own worst enemy 😂😂

[@ThunderChanter]

Does Pock know you get an attk boost when you stim, not just a movespeed boost? Cuz the way dude ONLY used it to run makes me think he doesnt. Also, I LOVE all the CCs around the map, dude has seen high level players and went "I dont know why they have all these CCs, but if *I* build them randomly, Ill win more games too1"

[@chloesmith4065]

He played too much of the stormgate beta where it's only a move speed bonus lol

[@N1NJ4P1R4T3]

Anyone claiming NYC is the greatest city in the world will instantly be arrested

[@gospodinsmurf8277]

I'm new to sc2, he is diamond? Are diamond players usually this bad?

[@Minastir1]

he's not that bad, his macro is pretty good

[@unrighteous8745]

He's just barely Diamond 3, and no they're not usually this bad lol. That is some of the worst micro I've ever seen in any rank. His macro was good in the early game and that's what's carrying him.

[@brandonm994]

He is clearly not a bad player, he is diamond. His micro is pretty trash but his overall macro skills are clearly good enough as a package to get him to diamond. You would stand 0 chance against this guy if you played them

[@MrDNE1000]

Watch a few of your own replays to get some context on how things look when playing vs when watching a replay.

[@gospodinsmurf8277]

@@MrDNE1000 @brandonm994 don't get me wrong guys I know I'm bad. This just looks so unclean so I'm trying to figure out how high of a diamond rank is.

[@PackersBearsFan3]

That was a tough one to watch 😄

[@SlayElsair]

I could point bad micro here and I'm not an even expert at all. Protoss had decent to good micro, (important thing is he made no bad micro), but Terran blundered a lot. Harstem already mentioned the bad Viking attack, but I want to point this particularly shows how Protoss has better micro, not necessarily because he is "good", ... but because all he had to do was let the enemy's bad micro result in their own consequences ... ie ZERO skill is better than NEGATIVE skill.) If Protoss A-moved his army so it was fighting both the Vikings and the bio-ball, then their micro would be equally bad. Minor other things: He cancelled the plans for the drop (correct decision) but never tried to find another avenue of approach. He attacks with UNSIEGED tanks as part of his bioball. He also lacked of Siegetank leapfrogging. The worst part of his game is his micro of siege tanks 12:30 and 17:06 Sieging on the edge of low ground, vulnerable to being picked by Protoss (+1 for Toss punishing him for that) +far from the protective range of his bio ball +no vision of higher ground (he made scans but both were late- he was already taking hits) In his defense though 13:30 Harstem is criticizing that it was no micro, "just moving his units back and forth". What Terran was doing was baiting the Protoss army into his siege tank range, which is decent but the Protoss had good self-control. At that point he was trading a few Zealots for no losses. It's good, but too little, and zealots are meant to be cannon fodder anyway. But Siege Tanks aren't. Other than it was mostly bad.

[@SlayElsair]

This is also a good lesson that the cost of losses is not simply in terms of mineral and gas value. Terran lost his highest tech units: vikings and tanks- while Protoss never lost a Colossus. (Well, he's not dumb enough to put them in front, like some Terran douchebag)

[@Пашинамузыка]

Who would've expected collab with Darkest Dungeon in SC2!

[@WeItenspinner]

Does he know that Stim damages his bio?

[@hana_555]

I feel like people send their games in here, to easily get coached by harstem xD

[@Jeed92]

dont use drugs kids, or you end up like Pocks marauders

[@Faoriter]

I almost sometimes want to send in my bottom tier bronze match and complain about imba. Though i know I suck since the video i waych for the build order says the attack should hit around 5-6 min mark, while mine hits around 30 min mark 😂😂😂

[@chir0pter]

Is that the handsomest SC2 pro in the thumbnail

[@MrSoldiersideBR]

I'm a F2+A-move player. I was embarassed watching this

[@allanturmaine5496]

If it doesn't die to A move, you didn't build enough marines, which means you didn't build enough workers. Game solved.

[@bass-dc9175]

Hmmm He complains about army control difficults and Protoss winning by doing less. And he says he wanted to do a bio push ... my guess is: He overmicros and overstims. Because sometimes with TvP: Microing too much just ends up hurting you. EDIT: Yeah, he overstimed. And can't really call that "Overmicroing", more like: being too afraid to engage.

[@Nuggetheadification]

Poor Pock, I've been in his place once upon a time 😂

[@AdaraHaze]

I'm so tired of repeating this: If you think something is op, then play exactly this and win every time. Soon enough you will see how people are beating you.

[@MedicJR]

5:42 timing into two batteries also is not good

[@MrDNE1000]

Feels like this is a moba player. Tons of moba players that will not commit to fights and pussyfoot at the edge, has awful pointless rotations/roaming It's worse in those games because it's a team game so someone playing like this is basically a -1 player. Even worse because those players are the "macro" players that just farm all game. No I'm not talking about dota 2 pos1, more like a pos3 or even 4 doing that.

[@Dragon-Believer]

Drugs are bad Mkay.

[@real_MacrocosM]

Oh you mispelled: "protoss"

[@Jyoryaxx]

Ok but protoss army control being easier does not necessarily mean imbalance in this context, unless the claim is specifically that this is consistently true for every composition. Having armies that are easier or harder to control is part of starcraft. Imbalance specifically lies in the idea that with theoretical perfect gameplay on both sides, one would win. Exception is made for one being consistently easier to control to the point where it's humanly impossible to defeat it.

[@anjhindul]

LOLOL "Protoss imba due to skill" says the terran with Stim/combat... Now, apm to apm, ya, I would say Protoss is the most powerful, but toss needs around 1200 APM to take advantage of this (only Archon/AI)

[@chloesmith4065]

He didn't even start combat shield until like 9 minutes into the game after one of the fight pullbacks

[@maffin1012]

Another Terran complaining about Protoss and not building the best unit in the game. gg

[@peterjansen4826]

No offence to Pock, this is a classical case of focusing too much on micro while not knowing yet how to do it and neglecting macro. Better focus more on macro first. You see it a lot in the imba- and saltmine (PiG) videos.

[@dominikmagnus]

another terran dies to drug abuse... what a life.

[@ChurchAI]

I love PiLLi

[@RazielDeTam]

Yeah, that's really funny) why is he running with 100 workers! Just trade and build more marines

[@coryknight7669]

i thought he said puck i knew mgk puck

[@brunob4566]

hardest watch yet

[@NewAge1138]

The early cc lift while unnecessary. The decision to not go orbital on it immediately is the only reason he didn't lose an scv to the stalker since it loaded up. One could then argue that by lifting it and moving it he drew the stalker into the natural allowing those Marines to take it down to half for free. Granted I doubt this was a calculated maneuver in platinum league 😂

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

Terran, runs into super battery with a tiny force, kills a bunch of more expensive protoss units. Protoss IMBA! Shield overcharge is one of the most overrated things, maybe after banelings.

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

yeah that 9 minute terran army would have crushed that protoss army if he just stimmed in.

[@LOLHoneybadger]

The way to answer this question truthfully, would be to have someone that's intense as hell Micro wise with Terran or Zerg, like say Maru or Serral or Byun, play Protoss and see if they can 'beat' a Terran that's at the same level their Protoss is, because their micro would obviously be "better". I think the big thing is Terran and Zerg have a higher skill cap, plainly put, because they take 'more skill' overall to play. I'm saying this as a Protoss player. Zerg you can literally get Gold by just knowing how to do basic things with the race, but there are literally only a handful of Zerg players that can beat the likes of Maru or similarly top-tier players on a consistent basis. Terran is one that I find myself struggling with, because I know what to do, but remembering to do it in the game is just difficult at times. Like I know what I should go for in situations, but executing it I'm 50/50 at, and my macro typically is the worst with Terran. My point is, basically, TLDR: Protoss is easier to get higher rank with because it is just an easier race to 'be decent' at compared to the other two. The only units that require serious micro control are situational: Blink Stalkers (which has a serious skillcap but it's not THAT hard to be decent at it), Disruptors (easy but not easy to be great with), and ... I know I'm missing something but I can't think of it. By comparison, Terran has to micro everything almost, Marine splits, Ghost snipe, etc etc. Zerg also has mostly situational micro units. Meh, I think I got my point across. lol

[@hivetech4903]

Protoss skill ceiling is lower because something called 'negative micro' hits sooner. This means the benefits of micro are outweighed by just attacking & dealing damage because the unit is going to die anyway. This is naturally going to happen with the race that has less units of higher supply like Protoss. Pros practice with all races - Reynor even plays Protoss in tournaments but isn't great. Being decent on ladder has nothing to do with micro. None of the races take any real micro below about 4K MMR. Its a common misconception because low level players don't execute build orders properly, so they put themselves behind and make up for it by trying to micro harder. In truth 100apm is enough to make Masters.

[@firestarter000001]

I play only Protoss so I may be wrong, but it seems to me false "Terran has to micro everything almost, Marine splits, Ghost snipe" When Marine have to split, Protoss have to handle disruptors and usually a secondary forms of splash. You say its easy, imho it isnt. You have to have separate control gruop, and when you fire, select the ball and guide it. Its alot of micro. Moreover while loosing ghosts doesnt mean Terran army looses, loosing key Protoss units means insta gg, so the handling of key units like disruptors , collosus, templars is critical. It alwys galls me when casters these days shout "insane terran micro, the terran has picked up a tank with medivac and relocated it back" , when Protoss pro do prism micro much more complex regulalrly, so regulalrly , nobody notices it anymore.

[@blazertw9451]

Typical Terran, easiest race complaining about other races imba

[@ryan_cowan]

I feel like this series isnt as much about considering if an aspect of the game is imbalanced as it is about just laughing at people for not knowing how to win a game. If the races were reversed at any point in that game after pock was ahead, terran would never, ever, ever be able to win no matter how poorly the protoss microed. And thats because the race design is fundamentally imbalanced and everyone knows it. But sure lets just laugh at terran and tell them to play better, that wont further erode the player base at all

[@tomrob123]

Two things. Firstly, it is very common for pretty much all players to overestimate their own capabilities. I've often caught myself after loss, thinking I did literally nothing wrong, then after that I watched my own replay and had to scratch my head. Secondly, at some point we shouldn't only talk about individual mistakes, which of course are extremely plentyful at this skill level. The question that matters more imo is how easy/hard it actually is to control two clashing armies. If you look at the protoss army with zealots, stalkers, colossus and one immortal I'd say it's some A move while you have to make sure that zealots are meat grinders for your stalkers and colossus and your stalkers are meat grinders for your colossus. So in the end the protoss player has to make sure to keep the colossus at save distance right behind his other units (I didn't see blink at minute 12). The terran player here has got marines, marauders, medivacs and siege tanks. At first he will also A move to attack. In addition to that he has to think of when and what units to to use stim on. He has to position the marauders in front of the army. He has to make sure the medivacs are positioned right at the front of the army. He has to position and siege the tanks. And since the terran army has to deal with zealots and colossus he is in some sort of dilemma since he'd need to split his army because of the colossus while at the same time keeping the bio ball together plus protecting the tank from zealot charges. I play both protoss/terran and I just have a hard time thinking that this kind of army composition clash is really all that fair since the terran in my opinion has just much more to do to make the best of it. And when you have to make more decisions you also need to click more and have less time to think about other parts of the game. I honestly think that at this MMR range, protoss is easier than terran. High plat/low diamond is where people have a solid understanding of the game but really lack the multitasking/apm to get all the jobs done. And the terran here just got more things to do than the protoss.

[@Qlmmb2086]

The thing about this level, though, is that it makes sense to focus on individual mistakes, because without those mistakes you wouldn't be at that level and the "imbalance" would disappear. Like with this game in particular... Even if it is true to some respect that Terran micro is harder at this level, It's transparently clear that that was NOT the reason the Terran lost.

[@tomrob123]

​@@Qlmmb2086 Well even terran players like Clem do an insane amount of marine split mistakes against lings/banelings because the skill ceiling simply is that high and nobody can execute the micro perfectly. So I don't see why we should focus on individual mistakes at this particular level. I don't think this has much to do with levels as individual mistakes occour on every level. If terran is harder at that level (lets assume that for now) and both players do the same amount of mistakes, it's obviously the terran player that is more likely to lose, because he's playing with a handicap. However, if you want to improve, you should never blame the balance for anything but work on your mistakes. But that's a different topic.

[@Ashe-A-Lotl]

@@tomrob123 The thing is, he didn't lose because of micro or not. Like Harstem said, all he needed to do was attack. His economy was so big he could easily re-max. He just didn't commit.

[@millatime64]

Nice

[@newlocal2]

This show has a shit concept. The fact that someone sucks doesn't mean the game is balanced. Harstem keeps saying that everything is balanced, but Blizzard buffs and nerfs different units, to make the game more balanced. Who to believe, Blizzard or Harstem?

[@xnephysisthere]

in case you didn't get it, this is literally just for fun. Harstem admits it personally on camera interview. You wana listen to him actually discuss his opinion on balance you go watch his patch commentary videos

[@SaltyNard]

Some things are imba and players will literally die using them because they're not good enough. 12 pool is one of the most disgusting strats ever created, and unless you know it's coming, it will kill you if you don't prepare properly. Then you see someone a-move with it into a protoss wall with Adepts taking pot shots, then they die. It's powerful because it locks your opponent into their base or forces them to attack into you, making the map your playground until they do. You don't just a-move a wall and expect a freewin. Players like Pock will die to that, but that's beside the point.

[@KingKongWorld]

This guy plays SC2 like he plays "world of ponies". I don't know how to kill you, but why are you so aggresive? LOL

[@CSMHD]

hilarious :)))

[@mihairo83]

The poor Bill Gates 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I've seen way better Terrans in the Gold League, no offense. A guy that doesn't know why he's building 96 workers and doesn't understand the concept of trading, overstims, doesn't know how to stim and A-move... Now seriously, Diamond 3 starts from 3.2k MMR - thats 3200, not 3086. In fact, he's 3086 MMR simply because Terran trades better than Protoss and Zerg. Even if he doesn't know how to A-move, he can queue as many marines as he wants and still get some "Ws" to reach 3k MMR. I know there is no big difference between a 3k Plat 1 and a 3.2k Dia 3, but at least in Plat 1 the players know how to A-move and 2 base allin. I say this to defend these 2 players who actually try to play the game. In time maybe they will be better than this. So glhf to everyone! Thank you for the insight, Harstem.

[@gusionproplay6412]

This terran makes the game look so ugly

[@Trinket430]

I think Harstem misunderstood this guy... He basically was saying in his message "micro is too hard for me" wasn't he? Seems harsh to keep harping on his bad micro when his complaint was that protoss micro is easier/OP.

[@MrDNE1000]

I think you're misunderstanding the IODIS format. The player makes a claim, and then backs it up with footage. IODIS claim was "If we have the same level of skill in army control the protoss will win" Terran player did not demonstrate army control ability anywhere close to the army control ability of the protoss player.

[@MythicTemplar]

Second

[@burgesj7]

Instead of the asinine "gas lighting" you can use the real word provoking

[@BTHobbies]

You recommendation would probably carry more weight if you knew what either "gas lighting" or "provoking" meant.

[@Ashe-A-Lotl]

It's not asinine just because you don't know what it means. Those words mean totally different things.

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

I'm inclined to agree Toss is easier to play and their army is easier to control then Terran. Also I as well hope to see the Captain get some more dubs

[@viniciussardenberg706]

i think toss is just easier to macro, not much else in terms of army control and the rest of the game

[@nfzeta128]

​@@viniciussardenberg706yea toss macro is more streamlined and punishes less. Toss army control is actually in many situations harder than terran.

[@steffensimon2949]

Both races have their ups and downs. Overall the Terran army is usually stronger. Stim, EMP and mines are the pain of all Protoss players. But on the other hand blink can be a real frustrating to deal with as well and fast Colloss´ are really strong during midgame

[@booyawooya]

​@@viniciussardenberg706 I would argue that terran macro is significantly easier than the other two races. You don't need to look away from your army to build units, just cycle through control groups. Toss needs to move the screen to a power field to warp in, and zerg needs to cycle their screen through hatcheries to inject larvae.

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

@@booyawooya Warp in is literally the only production building that starts with a hot key lmao.