GM vs Pro Player - It's NOT The Same! | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck

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Harstem

Harstem

Күн бұрын

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@Aminmotors
@Aminmotors Жыл бұрын
IODIS is one of the best video series on KZbin. Keep it up!
@miguelgranados8089
@miguelgranados8089 Жыл бұрын
Definitely the best running SC2 series
@flavvsdasilver6442
@flavvsdasilver6442 Жыл бұрын
I learn so much from an IODIS - friggin' love this series concept
@rykehuss3435
@rykehuss3435 Жыл бұрын
@@flavvsdasilver6442 IODIS also works so well because Harstem has like top 5 knowledge of the game. No other commentator plays anywhere near his level let alone possesses his knowledge
@squidikka
@squidikka Жыл бұрын
@@rykehuss3435 uthermal.
@ZerglingLover
@ZerglingLover 7 ай бұрын
@@rykehuss3435 100%. Harstem really has a build (extremely high charisma AND skill, usually its one or the other) that would get the imba stamp of approval
@jacoballey21
@jacoballey21 Жыл бұрын
Eggs are indeed expensive. And I don't like my neighbors. So, thanks for the idea!
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the rooster. That 5 am prayer to the sun... 👍
@firestarter000001
@firestarter000001 Жыл бұрын
I actually learned the fact that if you fire the nova, select it and click on a unit , it will follow it, just like ~ 1 year ago. Its very counter intuitive because if you just fire it, targeting from the dsiruptor, it wont follow anything, and there is no description of this follow mechanic for example on liquipedia on disruptor page.
@alfonshasel1995
@alfonshasel1995 Жыл бұрын
I dont play much, but when i do i prefer protoss. Tried the disruptor only once, as it was impossible for me trying to micromange the ball instead of just attack clicking it
@firestarter000001
@firestarter000001 Жыл бұрын
@@alfonshasel1995 Its definitely not as easy as it looks.
@tambaz2276
@tambaz2276 Жыл бұрын
can you attack click the ball also?
@firestarter000001
@firestarter000001 Жыл бұрын
@@tambaz2276 Im not sure what you mean by that?
@SaltyNard
@SaltyNard 6 ай бұрын
@@firestarter000001 Been a while but can you a-move the ball? So it acquires the closest target? Or do you have to click specifically where you want it to go?
@WhitePointerGaming
@WhitePointerGaming Жыл бұрын
Something that Harstem missed is that the protoss isn't fully saturated on one of his gasses in his main, in addition to the one in the natural that he pointed out. So that missed gas count is actually higher than what's shown here.
@eulefranz944
@eulefranz944 Жыл бұрын
I think with right click disruptor shots this man will rise 200 mmr
@snowdrop9810
@snowdrop9810 Жыл бұрын
Not 200 with that abysmal a disruptor control, has to be more
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 Жыл бұрын
@@snowdrop9810 I think he definitely noticed it after this video. sometimes you just need to notice something like this to get significantly better, for me when I notice how badly I'm doing something I get a massive boost usually.
@burrell813
@burrell813 Жыл бұрын
Well shit I’ve hit 4500 and I genuinely didn’t know until this video that disruptor shots can follow units
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
You and I both lol. I'm M1 zero and M3 protoss. I literally don't use disruptors and use storm instead, because I hated controlling them lol.
@You-ul8qw
@You-ul8qw Жыл бұрын
I've played against YSMS on the ladder a few times, his mmr is more commonly around 5.2k, though I've seen it at 5.3k before as well.
@qrv123
@qrv123 Жыл бұрын
@@liv4youchill bruh, he was explaining what the 5100+ meant.
@stevenhorstgeorg5728
@stevenhorstgeorg5728 Жыл бұрын
@@liv4you Dude whats your problem and who hurt you?
@MKu64
@MKu64 Жыл бұрын
@@liv4you Are you his mom? You seem very happy about it 😂
@numka82
@numka82 Жыл бұрын
If we asked YSMS what he would do against 4200 terran if he had terrible early game, he would say survive due to superior experience and end in the late game, again due to superior experience. Exactly what Epic did
@sibbha15
@sibbha15 Жыл бұрын
are u telling me trasition it to disruptor was a bad call at 130/90 supply`?
@impishlyit9780
@impishlyit9780 3 ай бұрын
@@sibbha15 They didn't say anything about disruptors or supply at all. They only mentioned a general component of strategy due to a difference in experience level.
@eclipseeffigy
@eclipseeffigy Жыл бұрын
Really interesting IIODIS, love seeing this high level gameplay. 🧐
@williamwakefield1017
@williamwakefield1017 Жыл бұрын
The editing on IODIS is always amazingly well done, I loved the Gas Missed Cam
@ChaseAnderson5k
@ChaseAnderson5k Жыл бұрын
The hellion thing is most accurately like building a bunker so assassins can't kill you, and then when you see them coming in the security cams you leave and then run towards them to try and punch them.
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 Жыл бұрын
my guy is getting those Harstem analogies ingrained into him.
@BaneHydra
@BaneHydra Жыл бұрын
9:04 hold on, the one gas in the main also only has 2/3 workers on it
@XanderCrews4Prez
@XanderCrews4Prez Жыл бұрын
omg the gas missed picture-in-picture is fantastic! Hamster, you're a magician!
@yurimiyama9825
@yurimiyama9825 Жыл бұрын
Harstem: Flames Protoss players for not controlling zealot run-bys and not valuing them. Also Harstem: A-moves own zealot run-bys and never look back, sometimes into bases with liberator zones. I mean, SURE.
@tigera6
@tigera6 Жыл бұрын
He clearly was talking about himself, haha.
@miza6
@miza6 Жыл бұрын
Haha absolutely.
@dayvie9517
@dayvie9517 Жыл бұрын
There is no contradiction. Harstem is a Protoss player. Both groups make the same mistakes (most Protoss players more than Harstem since he plays better). Whats the point?
@williamwakefield1017
@williamwakefield1017 Жыл бұрын
Well yeah, of course he realizes his own mistakes most clearly. Just like how Lowko likes to talk about ladder heroes spamming the all army hotkey and a moving, because he does it himself :)
@yurimiyama9825
@yurimiyama9825 Жыл бұрын
@@dayvie9517 It's called leading by example, not that hard of a concept to understand. Do kids these days need everything spelt out for them?
@OnceAic
@OnceAic Жыл бұрын
The split though it was delicious 15:13
@greenlitlleman
@greenlitlleman Жыл бұрын
I'm only a diamond player but one thing I understand about SC is that you have "windows" of opportunity when you're stronger than your opponent and can finish them off. YSMS had a few of such windows,but didn't use them. This is especially true for protoss, that can easily send more units with prism - when you're ahead just send your army and finish the game.
@abyrvalg_
@abyrvalg_ Жыл бұрын
Prism was definitely underused this game.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
@@abyrvalg_ and the Disruptor use was a bad joke. (for those of us who have truly had to suffer them.. why cant we ever get players who micro like this??)
@abyrvalg_
@abyrvalg_ Жыл бұрын
@@inmundo6927Just play in low diamond or platinum like me, pal.
@mothrahlurker788
@mothrahlurker788 Жыл бұрын
"When you're ahead just send your army and finish the game" is terrible advice, you still need to have a proper attack that is optimized. If you don't, that is a perfect way to throw the game. You see how Harstem said that he's ahead so he should just put down a third as his opponent only had 9 marines and 2 mines instead of going across the map?
@greenlitlleman
@greenlitlleman Жыл бұрын
@mothrahlurker788 Depends on how much ahead you are. After he fought back the push he had a bigger army and 20 more workers. Allowing a better player to rebuild and stale for time is never a good idea, lol. And how exactly could he throw a game against 9 marines with an army and income twice as big? In fact, if it were a pro game, Terran would have surrendered at that point. The reason he lost was that he was neither greedy enough nor decisive enough. Just expanding when you're ahead is an option but it only prolongs the game and makes the skill gap more obvious. It's only good to have more fun crushing someone after already winning. 😂
@kpdkchristian2570
@kpdkchristian2570 9 ай бұрын
"The moment you throw the chicken, that is a mistake" - Sun Tzu
@plunderersparadise
@plunderersparadise Жыл бұрын
Poor chickens from Harstem's analogy :( THEY HAVE FEELINGS, NO NEED TO WEAPONIZE THEM
@marionicolais3024
@marionicolais3024 11 ай бұрын
The chicken metaphor was maybe the greatest SC2 caster content of all time.
@kirito3082
@kirito3082 Жыл бұрын
Those disruptors actually threw the game, it's supposed to be such an efficient unit but lost more than 1k resources every time instead
@plantex625
@plantex625 Жыл бұрын
Not to be nitpicky here, by why at 23:27 does he literally walk 2 DTs through the completely undefended 3rd brushing against SCVs only to walk them into the natural and immediately die and the main to auto attack the command center? DTs at the 3rd would have killed a good amount of SCVs and drawn the army away from the 4th where he was actively setting up an attack. That would have been the only real mining bases down and maybe finally a win?
@nerfzinet
@nerfzinet 7 ай бұрын
Not to mention the dozen Zealot runbys where he just has 4-8 zealots in the mineral line doing fucking nothing. He could have killed the entire mineral line multiple times and instead he killed like 2 scvs for 8 zealots.
@ineedammo8167
@ineedammo8167 7 ай бұрын
Love it when he says you suck, you suck hard. For a minute there I thought he was watching one of my replays. 😂
@Silversiren28
@Silversiren28 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if this IMBA complaint is the consequence of people getting too many early GGs just from getting ahead enough. Maybe some players aren't used to having to kill the opponent fully, and just get a gg on an uncontrolled runby most games they take. Then they run up against Epic, who's good enough to hold the line until they grind the opponent down and take them in the end with better trades.
@Al_Does_Stuff
@Al_Does_Stuff Жыл бұрын
Point taken I suspect that against many others within100mmr of his rank the lead is so pronounced that the terran simply can't see the way out like epic does (he doesn't turtle up tries to be aggressive as much as possible). While epic was behind and potentially beatable at several points I think he successfully gave his opponent too much to do when it came closing out the game
@SaltyNard
@SaltyNard 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely, some mistakes can be very frustrating, the games are long, many frustrations add up and people just want to go next. They quit in an okay-ish position, they can definitely hold with good gameplay, but they already gave up after a zealot runby killed a ton of workers.
@andrebrodbeck3883
@andrebrodbeck3883 Жыл бұрын
23:28 why? Just WHY?
@giliuscaesar
@giliuscaesar Жыл бұрын
Dissing Harstem in the first second of the video.. Good job, as always Hamster!
@hamster_designs
@hamster_designs Жыл бұрын
I'm just a simple man with simple goals.
@HENTAICOMBO
@HENTAICOMBO Жыл бұрын
a lot of IODIS have "Dear Harstem" as the intro. now it register in his head
@wedgeantilles8575
@wedgeantilles8575 Жыл бұрын
That was a great game and a great IODIS episode.
@potatogamer5559
@potatogamer5559 Жыл бұрын
hey idk if you check comments but the new patch is out on NA, including the cyclone rework
@bacon-SG
@bacon-SG Жыл бұрын
Does this protoss know the magic attack move? I feel most of the time his units were on move command
@jaxjax5489
@jaxjax5489 Жыл бұрын
the production value
@s4bc
@s4bc Жыл бұрын
the only way to move for ysms to lose was to make disruptors, his micro is probably around platinum-diamond level, he would have won easily with chargelot-archon after getting that far ahead
@enymus3081
@enymus3081 Жыл бұрын
33:51 That "Ohhh... and you suck hard." got me good 😂😂😂
@ludovicurbain4048
@ludovicurbain4048 8 ай бұрын
I absolutely love these series. It's mind blowing to see people who obviously play much better than me being so much worse at some smaller aspects of the game and lose because of it. I mean, I could surely never get the lead he got but you better believe that if I did I would have destroyed the Terran by minute 10, or 5. On the other hand, my best run was master #1 in 2v2 with a speedling timing, maybe I just have a little bit more micro, decision making and overall killer instinct while still being bad at sc2 overall. I'd be floating so much and be so far behind in macro however no doubt. I like that SC2 is so varied that this is at all possible, I dislike that macro is so important that I need to git quite gud before I can get some good micro wins against better macro players.
@MrPejotah
@MrPejotah Жыл бұрын
Man, I click like on these videos after the reading of the form, before the game even started. It's this good :')
@OsamaBinBurnin
@OsamaBinBurnin Жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me why the Chinese region is blocked out?
@ThaSPAWN
@ThaSPAWN Жыл бұрын
Doesn't exist anymore. Ever since Microsoft stopped sponsoring SCII pro scene, they merged whole Asia into one region. KR i think?
@OsamaBinBurnin
@OsamaBinBurnin Жыл бұрын
@@ThaSPAWN thank you it’s been since wings of liberty that I’ve played
@neruneri
@neruneri Жыл бұрын
@@ThaSPAWN It's not that, it's that Blizzard games full stop don't exist in China at all. It's not specific to Starcraft. All of them went down recently, because their partnership with NetEase imploded. You can't do business in China without a local corporation running the show in China, and they have nobody they're partnered with currently. So China just doesn't get Blizzard games, at all. Starcraft, Overwatch, WoW, none of them.
@neruneri
@neruneri Жыл бұрын
I'm sure they can play on Korean servers with VPNs, but there is literally not a method for them to legally play the game in China atm. Korean servers are absolutely not the "official" place either.
@chloesmith4065
@chloesmith4065 Жыл бұрын
Because there is no Chinese server anymore. RIP
@aussiehiker2
@aussiehiker2 Жыл бұрын
How about a couple high templar for storming split off bio at the 4th and 5th nexus while attacking with the disruptor stalker? I agree about the zealots. It's painful to watch even pro-protoss routinely throw away 800-1200 minerals in zealot run by's that sometimes do literally nothing. Would it be viable to invest in 6 extra gateways earlier on by not sending out a zeolot runby and then having the capability and the minerals to quickly warp in 15-20 zeolots or stalkers during battles instead?
@santeenl
@santeenl Жыл бұрын
at 14min he got 0 zealots left, only stalkers..
@angelomigueldedios1697
@angelomigueldedios1697 Жыл бұрын
Why is the CN server crossed out?
@tigera6
@tigera6 Жыл бұрын
Blizzard shut down the CN server because they didnt get the licensing deal with the local company there.
@oliverhughes610
@oliverhughes610 Жыл бұрын
If he sucks with disruptors, why commit so hard to them? He had 1 colossus left and had just reset the viking count. I don't see why he couldn't remake more colossi and push with them after getting blink? It's not like there was such a huge tank count at that point. I do completely understand the recalling to the natural though. We've seen countless times what it's like to recall to a base that's being attacked by like 8 marauders. Every tech unit gets sniped immediately.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
its painful to watch how a tiny ball of bio can push away an even bigger ball of disruptors. If only that happened when I'm the terran...
@MultiKeto
@MultiKeto Жыл бұрын
there was one is it imba or do i suck there the guy called you "Harstems" and since then i can only read your name like this.
@J6hn
@J6hn Жыл бұрын
Harmstem
@petercoderch589
@petercoderch589 Жыл бұрын
This guy's accent reminds so much of Grubby. Yeah, I am Protoss in SC2 and Orc in WC3. I am playing more SC2 recently because Orc is kinda trash in this patch. Oh, and absolutely there is a skill gap between pros and Grandmaster-ranked players. Especially the lower-ranked Grandmasters. The gap is not as big as that between masters and Grandmasters, but it's still considerable.
@Dhomden
@Dhomden Жыл бұрын
The gap between GM and pro-level GM is an order of magnitude amounts larger than between high M and low GM
@petercoderch589
@petercoderch589 Жыл бұрын
@@Dhomden I disagree with this. I would say that the upper half of Grandmasters are competitive with top pros some times. They can take maps from top pros, and occasionally(rarely) can take a series from them. But Grandmasters cannot *consistently* win games and especially series against top pros. For instance, the top 50% best GMs can take a map here and there from Serral or Maru, but if they play 10 BO5, they will only win 1-3 series tops. Likewise, in WC3 top ranked Grandmasters can occasionally take maps from Lyn or Happy, but their win rate against them is like 10% or so. It's realtive the upper half of Grandmasters are the top 0.2% to 0.1% players, and are really, really strong players. They can occasionally take a map here or there from the gods. But beating them with any consistency is impossible.
@EnvoYofAiuR85
@EnvoYofAiuR85 3 ай бұрын
haha geweldig hoe je altijd die vergelijkingen maakt, doe je dat ook in het dagelijks leven?
@SubTactHiphop
@SubTactHiphop Жыл бұрын
gah damn that was a fantastic game
@bobaktxl06
@bobaktxl06 6 ай бұрын
Master Harstem, please make more IODIS videos, I have to resort to watching older videos on older patches which makes my dumbdumb brain hurt. Please Harstem, do it or I will just get more dumbdumb
@fred.dekker
@fred.dekker Жыл бұрын
enjoyed it!
@tico5602
@tico5602 Жыл бұрын
if it was anything but disruptors, the game would end
@reighzhor1058
@reighzhor1058 7 ай бұрын
He complained about 2 base Ravens, so I was expecting multiple Ravens. I only saw 2 or 3, and they didn't have that big an impact imo. I think YSMS lost this one because of lack of information. He was constantly, even while far ahead in the early game, on the back foot reacting to attacks that hit from nowhere when a couple of Observers would've given ample warning of incoming armies.
@tiborsipos1174
@tiborsipos1174 Жыл бұрын
When you technically win the game but lose the stamina/mental endurance battle...
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
or rather, the technical battle on how to control your units
@tiborsipos1174
@tiborsipos1174 Жыл бұрын
@@inmundo6927 many players cant focus for a long period. Especially cheesers. After 2 minute they lose grasp. This is the same. Early was won, but not able to snowball the advantage. And mistakes add up too. Felt like he wanted to end the game asap when a laid back macro game, tech up to tier3 deathball would be an option too.
@miza6
@miza6 Жыл бұрын
He got some good coaching for getting roasted, a few adjustments and he will be much better.
@enymus3081
@enymus3081 Жыл бұрын
4:30 can someone please explain to me how the Zealot got the first hit on the marine wiht such insane range?!?! 🤯😲
@SSMWRX11
@SSMWRX11 Жыл бұрын
I didn't see a GM vs PRO game.
@sc2youtube744
@sc2youtube744 Жыл бұрын
The game is an perfect example of why u shouldn't make distruptors in low levels.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
it has nothing to do with the level of play and everything to do with THIS PERSON'S particularly awful micro. (as a low level player, I have been easily devastated by properly controlled Disruptors... you just cannot get near. Not exactly the case when YSMS controls them).
@bambae7669
@bambae7669 Жыл бұрын
you forgot that at low levels players can't dodge disruptor shots, which balances out for the fact that the protoss players can't control the shots or the units haha.
@anarchosnowflakist786
@anarchosnowflakist786 Жыл бұрын
the guy is a gm though
@sc2youtube744
@sc2youtube744 Жыл бұрын
@@anarchosnowflakist786 it's true but his micro is nearly as bad as mine so he should probably realize not to make distruptor
@anarchosnowflakist786
@anarchosnowflakist786 Жыл бұрын
@@sc2youtube744 yeah definitely
@fuzoolaadmi
@fuzoolaadmi Жыл бұрын
Harstem really wanted to say it 'is' IMBA in this video but was disappointed to see the micro and had to say you suck in the end.. lol
@jakes.5206
@jakes.5206 Жыл бұрын
Can we get to nine? NEIN!
@alistairbolden6340
@alistairbolden6340 Жыл бұрын
The issue with this is that even the top 9 protoss in the world only have a 40% win rate vs the top 8 Terran. So yeah Protoss sucks, thats the entire point of the last patch, it was to buff the protoss win rate because the patch this video is from was extreamly unbalanced.
@quineloe
@quineloe Жыл бұрын
really wished harstem wouldn't play replays on low details. Can hardly tell how many kills the disruptors get
@nikolatasev4948
@nikolatasev4948 7 ай бұрын
Wow, this was a very good game!
@Gardstyle35
@Gardstyle35 Жыл бұрын
i feel if he just ignores disruptors and goes psi storm or collosus he might have a better time
@blucheez19
@blucheez19 9 ай бұрын
Honestly everything was looking amazing until the disruptors came out.
@Hayman1257
@Hayman1257 Жыл бұрын
I feel Iike he’s gonna have to do a lot of cyclone replays
@anjhindul
@anjhindul Жыл бұрын
The fact you are releasing this after going 3 vs 1 against a terran and LOOSING... I don't know Harstem, Terran seems awfully IMBA to me right now!
@snowdrop9810
@snowdrop9810 Жыл бұрын
To be fair... he did say his control was bad, and it was really bad. Like 1k mmr lower toss player skill level of bad. If he had even a small bit better disruptor control I dont doubt he'd have won 6 times
@MadArtillery
@MadArtillery Жыл бұрын
Honestly the disruptor should probably just have not been used this game. Building anything else would have been better with these shots and the protoss would have won by now.
@peterthepeter7523
@peterthepeter7523 Жыл бұрын
Why is Harstem roasting someone for not controlling zealot runbys and not valuing them when he does the same thing himself?
@chloesmith4065
@chloesmith4065 Жыл бұрын
In some other videos he doesn't fault people for it, but maybe at this MMR level he expects closer to perfection?
@N0noy1989
@N0noy1989 Жыл бұрын
@@chloesmith4065Nah, only Maxpax cares about his zealots. All others, including her0 and Classic, just forget them. Only Maxpax has some semblance of valuing his zealots, and he's not that consistent with it either.
@reznya2700
@reznya2700 Жыл бұрын
Because he moved instead of attack and had 3 zealots bouncing around on the natural ramp, and this dude timing on zealot is nothing like pros
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
I think it's because top players value them until they have a massive economy. Then they don't care anymore.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
@@reznya2700 I think they were on A-move... but targeting an individual bio unit, which was behind the wall, which is why the kept trying to, but not dealing any damage. (I see it a lot with worker pulls, when instead of a-moving the ground to defend.. they hit on 1 scv individually, so that all the workers go around trying to get THAT ONE scv and never get any hits at all)... happens a lot in the game. u gotta watch out for were you click when A-moving.
@ParleLeVu
@ParleLeVu Жыл бұрын
I think he did pretty well. The only problem is that he squandered his advantage. Also, he has no real answer to stim bio, relying on disruptors, gateway and colossi.
@viniciussardenberg706
@viniciussardenberg706 Жыл бұрын
i'm afraid that there really isn't such a thing from protoss while ghost + lib, especially ghosts are in the game and 2 emps half your army's hp, disruptors? liberators screw them, colossus? marauders and vikings screw them, storm or archons, ghosts 1 shot that, the answer to Bio is aoe dmg but not a single toss aoe is viable vs terran specifically because of the ghost, stim kinda craps on disruptors until you have 6+ of the damn things and then liberators just are better because they don't shoot their own troops, but they are a good unit, but you cannot move forward with your aoe once their counter hits the field.
@tigera6
@tigera6 Жыл бұрын
Before the Libs coming out in large number, Robo IS the play against Stim Bio army. He just needs to make 1 more Robo so that he can keep pumping out Disruptor/Colossi/Immortal in large number. He also didnt build enough Observer, which would really help with the map vision.
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
​@@viniciussardenberg706storm would have helped at times, but I know how difficult it is to use multiple spellcasters.
@s4bc
@s4bc Жыл бұрын
if he just made zealots he could have a-moved with his huge advantage, instead he move commanded stalkers and disruptors into stimmed bio.
@viniciussardenberg706
@viniciussardenberg706 Жыл бұрын
@@tigera6 i'm not even saying this game is evidence of that, MaxPax vs Clem does a much better job of that, in this game his early game adv was so massive that if there werent basically a 1k mmr difference between them he'd have won low diff, unfortunately for him all he had 2 do to lose was allow his opponent to recover and thats what happened.
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
Cyclone auto targets and even his AI target priorities, never misses. Disruptor has to click the shot and manually tell it to attack a unit or it gets nothing.
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
I've always said, Terran mech is balanced at the highest level (weak), but below Masters, it's VERY easy to use, and VERY hard to beat.
@jeromevent4548
@jeromevent4548 Жыл бұрын
Protoss players really out here trying to make comparisons between two units with completely different roles
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
cyclone = made of paper. disruptor = usually accompanied by a bunch of nearly indestructible zealots who keep pushing you back, while another bunch of stalkers deal free damage. You gotta look at it in CONTEXT. The game is not played by 1 on 1 unit encounters on a vacuum.
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
@@inmundo6927disruptor zealot? I guess if you really hate your units and want zealots to get purified and then disruptors to get chased down while on cooldown.
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
@@jeromevent4548 maybe, but I'm not one of them. It's not a unit comparison as much as a race difficulty comparison.
@pawepluta3374
@pawepluta3374 Жыл бұрын
I don't deny that the protoss could have played it better. But looking at it you clearly get the feeling that there is something wrong with PvT. Terran lost 120 workers, protoss only 20. Maybe it's not fair to say so, but Protoss often losing 8 workers will lose, no matter how they try. Something seems wrong with PvT after all. Both sides had some very good moves as well as bad ones, but I wouldn't say after all that the protoss deserved to lose. First series that makes me feel like this ;< I'm in the diamond 1 league. For example, in PvZ I have a 30% winrate and yet I think everything is ok in this matchup. In PvT I have 50% and I feel that something is wrong.
@chaotixthefox
@chaotixthefox Жыл бұрын
Well the fact is, the Terran should've lost about 4 times, and did not stay alive due to the power of their units, but the blunders of the opponent. Not just one or two, but consistent errors negating all advantage gained from prior good play.
@eulefranz944
@eulefranz944 Жыл бұрын
Damn.. how often can you have negative traits but still be winning... insane
@jamomoritz6763
@jamomoritz6763 Жыл бұрын
35 to 70 workers lol.
@jeffreywarf
@jeffreywarf Жыл бұрын
goddamn widow memes... game would have been proper over without them
@tif7305
@tif7305 Жыл бұрын
Can we get nine? NEIN
@tomarintomarin9520
@tomarintomarin9520 Жыл бұрын
Stop building disruptors if you control them like that god damn my eyes are bleeding, just get storm and shit
@Dhomden
@Dhomden Жыл бұрын
*ghosts have entered the chat*
@barrboach
@barrboach Жыл бұрын
So, skill issue
@Asuka2077
@Asuka2077 Жыл бұрын
YSMS is a scrub smurf, tf was he doing in diamond the other day? see? keep being the punching bag of pro's and stay there.
@HappyTwoBe
@HappyTwoBe Жыл бұрын
Lol dropping this the day after the Raven pushes get nerfed so prop up the Balance Council as infallible. Solid psychological move. Also, does everyone in the Netherlands just have a desire to throw eggs at eachother, what was that whole bit about Harstem?
@josemiguelvillaloboscorona4626
@josemiguelvillaloboscorona4626 Жыл бұрын
Players would win so many more games if they didnt make stalker based armies
@mothrahlurker788
@mothrahlurker788 Жыл бұрын
Nonsense, he just got outplayed.
@josemiguelvillaloboscorona4626
@josemiguelvillaloboscorona4626 Жыл бұрын
He outplayed himself 😂
@KrossFire330
@KrossFire330 Жыл бұрын
FIRST HOLY SHIT!!!!
@williamshearer8396
@williamshearer8396 Жыл бұрын
Just stop using disruptors when ahead and build more of literally any other unit and this guy goes up like +400 mmr Edit: also saturate has and make archons. Your race has a gas dump, use it
@chloesmith4065
@chloesmith4065 Жыл бұрын
Archons are great until ghosts are on the field
@tigera6
@tigera6 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you dont need too many Disruptor in the army, normally players stop at 8-10 and switch back to Colossi with Immortal. Also the lack of Observer is also the issue.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
@@chloesmith4065 and until they get hit by your own disruptors.. taking half their shield down
@hivetech4903
@hivetech4903 Жыл бұрын
Or... that is bad advice and he'll actually go down 400MMR lol. A-moving Chargelot/Immo/Archon can get you to Masters.... not GM. His late mid-late game comp was good but above 5K MMR you have to actually learn half-decent micro & map awareness, and use a comp that looks similar to what pros use.
@williamshearer8396
@williamshearer8396 Жыл бұрын
@@hivetech4903 Sure, but I'd rather have a sub-optimal army than a useless one (which is what happens when you miss like 90% of your disruptor shots)
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
yes he outplayed his opponent and yes it's imba, but he would have won if he didn't build those stupid disruptors. It's the 2nd worst unit after stalkers and maybe adepts
@greenlitlleman
@greenlitlleman Жыл бұрын
Especially if you can't micro them.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how a unit (the stalker) which you are bound to make almost every single game, can be deemed as "a bad unit". because, do you use them in a vacuum? Or with zealots to support? Hell, the marauder is a terrible unit, it cant even shoot up!
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
@@greenlitllemanwhich will always be the case when supply gets close to maxed and you have other units to control.
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Жыл бұрын
@@inmundo6927 stalker is ok in a vacuum, but bad in all the other army comps. It doesn't work well with any other unit, especially zealots, which charge in and tank. Stalkers are good at running away. Good at early game harass / all ins. They offer some protection from vikings but air units do it better.
@hivetech4903
@hivetech4903 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm sure the herO and MaxPax who make big money with Disruptors & Stalkers as the most viable late game comp should take take advice from some 12 year old kid on the internet 😂
@sc2youtube744
@sc2youtube744 Жыл бұрын
This shows how out of touch pro gamers are with the reality of low level micro. Harstem thinks shooting a distruptor shot and then right away boxing and retargeting it nova in the middle of a fight is not at all easy for a low level player.
@petrschmidke2543
@petrschmidke2543 Жыл бұрын
5100 MMR that doesn't sound like an low player to me :D
@daredaemon8878
@daredaemon8878 Жыл бұрын
We're talking about someone who literally played a pretty solid game against a pro gamer, even if he lost due to being the less skilled/experienced player by a good margin; he could clearly have won. So yeah at this level, these are exactly the kinds of improvements you'd need to make to keep improving. Harstem's tailoring his advice to the level of the player he's criticizing. There's a reason he doesn't suggest this to players in diamond.
@inmundo6927
@inmundo6927 Жыл бұрын
and micro is not something acquired equally by all players as they progress.. Many players are GOOD at micro, but BAD at mAcro... which is why they dont progress. And not the other way around. I know many gold players who can micro their disruptors much better.. but they dont make over 50 probes.. for example.
@sc2youtube744
@sc2youtube744 Жыл бұрын
Harstem always makes comments like this though about micro engagements
@mothrahlurker788
@mothrahlurker788 Жыл бұрын
Not being able to do that at over 5k is embarrassing, wtf is this comment.
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