Heading Toward War? Reevaluating Taiwan’s Status Quo

[@袁大陸]

There’s no Taiwan issue, to China only USA issue.

[@igolfer]

The Taiwan issue is the last piece of colonialism and will be resolved in due course. It is time that Western imperialism and colonialism in the name of capitalism finally come to an end. That’s why politicians in the West are hysterical and delusional and desperate to stop the rise of China. The so called “coming collapse of China”is, in reality, the coming collapse of imperialism and colonialism, or the collapse of global hegemony. For the last 500 hundred years before the beginning of the collapse of colonialism in the 1950s, Europe had been colonizing the rest of the world, mainly for its endless resources and cheap labor to feed its own economic growth. The West had been fighting wars among themselves for colonies and control of raw materials and energy. Ever since the end of the WW2, independence movements across the globe had first set free countries in Asia, followed by Latín America, the Middle East and lastly Africa. The West is, now, no longer able to get free resources or labor or land, to support its dominance over developing countries, or the global South in general. Under these circumstances, Europe, or the West including Japan, is losing its own economic independence; they are relying heavily or existentially on the support of the U.S. In the meantime, on the other hand, the global South with the cooperation among the BRICS COUNTRIES like China, Russia, Brazil, South Africa and so on, are focusing on their own economic growth and social development. The new world order is emerging with multipolarity and international democracy for shared prosperity. The West is feeling the heat and threat of its hegemonic collapse. That’s why they are following the marching order of the U.S., in its proxy war in Ukraine against Russia. The European countries have become totally dependent on the U.S. for its resources and strength. Without their old colonies, they submit themselves now completely to the hegemony of the U.S. However, with the united front between China and Russia, the global south is awakening to a new world order. They see their hope and prosperity in China’s BRI as well as the strategies of the BRICKS. That’s why the West can not defeat Russia in Ukraine because it doesn’t have the unlimited resources it used to enjoy with their colonies gone forever. The bottom line is how can the West or NATO expect to beat the united front between Russia and China in the long run without getting into a nuclear Armhcsageddon?! It is a self-indulgent delusion that the West under the coercion of the United States would be able somehow to stop or contain the rise of China with so-called small yard with high fences. It is a self defeating hypothesis. The U.S. and China should be partners and friends instead of enemies or competitors, for the benefits of the humanity and for a better world for all.

[@kevinjohnson9533]

Excellent analysis of Imperialism.

[@mistman5640]

also in the name of democracy

[@vietnguyen4312]

Let us be clear, Taiwan is not a colony. The only country to control and colonise Formosa was Japan. The Manchus only controlled less than 20% of the island and built zero infrastructure. There is no such thing as Western Imperialism. The Ottomans had empires, the Mongols had empires, so did the Manchus, the Moors and Russia and China still have an empire. When the ROC escaped to the Japanese island of Formosa they were less than 20% of the total population???? The fact is that there are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or agreements that state Taiwan is part of China The fact is the only legal way that Taiwan can become legally part of China is if Taiwan ceded the island and signed a treaty between the two countries.

[@eng2271]

It's hilarious how Paul Heer let slip that the REAL reason that peaceful unification is problematic is because the US is working against it 😅. Good for Shelley Rigger to pick up on that and at least tacitly admit it.

[@danwelterweight4137]

What part of the following do Americans not understand? 1. Taiwan's own constitution states that Taiwan is a part of China. Taiwan's own constitution states that secession from China is illegal. Taiwan's official name is not Taiwan. Taiwan's official name is Republic of China. How can anyone sit there and argue that the Republic of China is not a part of China? For decades thr government of Taiwan literally went around the world saying that they were the legitimate government of the whole of China. They used to carry bombing raids on Mainland China and carry across Straight incursions into Mainland China trying to get a foothold into Mainland China. For decades the waters between Taiwan and China were no go areas for Mainland Chinese sailors and merchants because the Taiwanese navy used to detain them at high seas take them to Taiwan and make them pledge allegiance to the government of Taipei as the official government of China. The Taiwanese used to carry out an insurgency into Mainland China from the jungles of Myanmar to try to get a foothold in Mainland China until the PLA got together with the Burmese military, defeated them and pushed them out of there. Furthermore Taiwan's birth certificates, civil ID cards, passports, official money, banks, airlines, government websites, universities all have the word China written on them or the word China in their names. The government of Taiwan used to represent the whole of China in the UN security council up until 1972. Even Taiwan's military is still named after China. There was never any argument whether Taiwan and Mainland China were never 2 seperate countries or the same country Both parties always concluded that there is only one country, China and that Taiwan and Mainland China are part of China. The argument was on who was the legitimate government of that country? Was it the government in Taipei that only had the support of 23 million Chinese or was it the government in Beijing that has the support of 1. 4 Billion Chinese. The UN security security council including the United States concluded that in 1972 that the legitimate government of China is Beijing and thst Taiwan is a part of China. This resolution is irreversible. 2nd. Taiwan is undefendable. Taiwan is an Island surrounded by water on all sides. This Island is not self sufficient in food or energy. Taiwan needs to import almost 60% of its food from abroad, 27% of its food comes from Mainland China. Taiwan also needs to import about 98% of its energy from overseas to survive. If China launches a blockade of Taiwan Taiwan will be in a total blackout and it's economy and society will come to a halt in 2 weeks to 3 weeks maximum. In 2 to 3 months they will be facing starvation and famine. If you think the US navy can break a Chinese blockade of Taiwan remember this. The Houthis don't even have an air force or a navy. They only have anti ship missile and drones and they have launched 10 months blockade of Israel, Americas most precious in the Red Sea. As a result 80% of all shipping going to and from Israel's largest port has completly ceased and Israel's economy has gone into the gutter. The United Slaves of Israel navy , AKA United States Navy has been trying to break this blockade of Israel for the last 10 months and they have been completely unsuccessful at it The only thing saving Israel from famine and and an energy crisis is that they also have other ports facing the Mediterranean Sea which are out of reach from Houthis anti ship missiles and drones from where they can get oil from Azerbaijan, Northern Iraq, Eastern Syria and Coal from Colombia as well as food and other goods from around the world. Now anyone with a brain can clearly sea that if the United Slaves of Israel' Aka US navy Navy can't even break a 10 months blockade of their most precious Israel by the Houthis in the red Sea how the hell are they going to break a Chinese blockade of Taiwan when the PLAN is 10000x stronger and more capable than the Houthis? The same thing goes for the Philippines, South Korea and Japan. None of these parties are self sufficient in food and rely on almost 60% of their food being importef from abroad and 98% to 99% of their energy coming from abroad. Even the Uranium they need from their nuclear reactors comes from abroad. China on the other hand is a continental power with access to the Eurasian Continent. Even if the US Navy happens to blockade the Straight of Malacca China is almost self sufficient in food. China could get its natural resources, raw materials, food, energy and even trade with the rest of the world with and through Russia and central Asia. Goods from all over the world could flow to and from Pakistani, Russian, Iranian, Myanmar ports and travel by, be shipped and be transported their way by land to an from China. The US can't blockade Russian and Pakistani ports like Gandar because both of these countries are nuclear powers. If the US tries to blockade Iranian ports Iran will blockade the Straight of Hormuz and the world's economy will completely Collapse. Russia also has a huge quantity of natural resources, raw materials food and energy and so do Central Asian Stan countries and Iran which they can provide China with. And it gets worse. China has the ability to bombard the US Mainland and American major cities with missiles and drones Are you guys willing to sacrifice Chicago, Los Angeles, NYC, Washington DC, Houston, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco for Taiwan? Are you guys ready to introduce conscription to send your young boys to fight to defend Taiwan? Have you people lost your collective minds. AMERICAN politicians are writing checks America can't cash. Tell your politicians to stay the hell out of this Taiwan thing for your own good. This is not going to end up well for you guys. You sent 3 million American boys to keep North Vietnam from taking over South Vietnam over 10 years. How did that war ended up for you? You couldn't even defeat half of Vietnam, not even the whole of Vietnam and you think you are going to defeat China? North Vietnam only had 13 million people. China has 1.4 Billion people and their industrial capacity is larger than the next 9 countries combined.

[@vietnguyen4312]

There are no internationally recognised treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Also, historically, China has had minimal control over the island of Taiwan, I will explain further below. Now some facts about Taiwan: 1: The island now known as Taiwan was inhabited and ruled by the aborigines for approximately 30,000 years. 2: When the Dutch arrived in 1626 most of the population of Formosa were the Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people (who have no DNA link back to China) 3: The Qing had minimal control of Taiwan in fact the Qing (Manchus not Chinese) only managed to rule less than 20% of the island while the aborigines ruled and controlled over 80% of the island. The Qing created a border in 1750 with rocks which was called the Tu Niu Red Line. The Japanese were the first country to colonise Formosa and create roads and infrastructure.. 4: Due to the lack of control, the Qing did not declare Formosa a Province of the Qing until 1895 as the Japanese was encroaching on the island. The island was handed to Japan soon after. 5: Over the past 400 years the island has been partially ruled by 5 different governments but it was only the Japanese and ROC who had full control of the entire island. 6: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China. (look up Edgar Snow interview)) 7: The Cairo Declaration 1943 discussed the possibility of handing the island of Taiwan to the ROC. This discussion required a treaty to become official and was never implemented. 8: The PRC constitution was formed in 1949 yet Taiwan was not added to it until 1978. 9: The ROC were granted a caretaker role of Formosa after WW2 but when the ROC escaped to the island it still legally belonged to Japan. 10: When Japan relinquished its sovereignty of Taiwan with The Treaty of San Francisco after the ROC invaded the Japanese island, China was not even invited. The treaty was signed by 49 nations but both the ROC and CCP were NOT present. 11: The One China Policy, Un Resolution 2758 or the Treaty of San Francisco do not declare that Taiwan is a province of China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. When the ROC escaped to Formosa they were merely 20% of the total population. The only legal way that Taiwan can amalgamate with China is if they agree to a treaty ceding their sovereignty. Whether Taiwan is considered a country or not does not automatically grant China with sovereignty of the region.

[@danwelterweight4137]

@@vietnguyen4312 I find it so ironic and so hilarious that a Vietnamese person is vehemently arguing for the permanent partitioning of China into two different countries when in fact it was Chinese support thst was one of the main Reasons why Vietnam reunified and did not end up like Koreans divided in perpetuity in two forever. How would you like it the Chinese claimed that South Vietnam should be separated and divided once again from North Vietnam and Vietnam should be divided into two countries How would you like if the Chinese stated that the Vietnamese people and nation must be seperated forever like the Americans wanted to do to you guys. I am sure there are people in Vietnam that would like to be free from Hanoi. How would you like it if the Chinese government gave funding, weapons and aid to seperatism forces in South Vietnam like the Americans did. Maybe the Chinese should have helped the Americans in the Vietnam War to make sure that Vietnam would be forever divided in two. Thst is what the Americans wanted to do to your country. Thst is what they did to the Koreans. They slaughtered 2.5 million Vietnamese and 3 million Koreans trying to do that and Now they want do do the same to the Chinese people and you as a Vietnamese are supporting them. Hypocrite. Why don't you divide Vietnam between north and South again? Hypocrite. Going back to Taiwan The Republic of China and the People's Republic of China are both a part of China and belong to the Chinese people. If there are people in the Republic of China that don't want to be a part of China nobody is forcing them to stay in China. They are free to leave and immigrate to Japan and become Japanese. Or they can can go to Australia, Canada, United States, Europe if they want to be Western and don't want to be Asian. Nobody is forcing them to stay. Tell me one country or International organization in the world that recognizes Taiwan as an independent country? There is not even one. Even the province of Taiwan in own it's laws and constitutions does not recognize Taiwan as a independent country from Mainland China There are a few countries that recognize Taipei as the legitimate government of the whole of China, but nobody, not even the province of itself recognizes Taiwan as an independent country from China. There was never a debate on whether Taiwan and Mainland China are a part of the same country. Everyone including Taiwan's own constitution recognizes that Taiwan is a part of China. The argument has always been on who is the legitimate government of the whole of China. Is it the government in Taipei that only has the support of 23. 5 million Chinese. Or is it the government of Beijing that has the support of 1.4 Billion Chinese. The indigenous peoples of Taiwan are less than 2% of the Taiwanese population. The movement for Taiwan's independence is not an indigenous movement. It is a Han Chinese movement. This same movement has suppressed Taiwanese indigenous identity and culture. If Taiwan was not a part of China then all those 23 million Han Chinese living in Taiwan are trespassers, illegal immigrants and need to be deported. Taiwan's official name is not even Taiwan. Taiwan's official name is literally called Republic of China. The Republic of China was founded in Mainland China by Sun Yat Sen, the father of modern China. It's own constitution calls for the reunification of the whole or China. The Communists were joint members of the Republic of China. They were joint rulers with the Nationalists of the Republic of China together with the Nationalists. Only a clown is going to sit there and argue that the Republic of China is not a part of China. The government of Taiwan claimed to be the legitimate government of the whole of China for literally decades. For decades they used to carry air bombing raids on Mainland China as far as Shanghai trying to get a foothold in Mainland China. For decades Mainland China lived under the threat of invasion from the Taiwanese military. The costal Region between of Mainland China between Taiwan and Mainland China used to be a no man's land. Mainland Sailors used to avoid thst area on the threat of being boarded and sent to Taiwan to pledge allegiance to the government of Taipei as the legitimate government of the whole of China. For decades the government in Taiwan claimed that they would one day invade Mainland China to reconquer Mainland China and reestablish their rule there. They also used to carry an insurgency into Mainland China from the jungles of Myanmar until the PLA and the Burmese military jointly defeated them and pushed them out of there. Taiwanese passports, birth certificates, official money, airlines, banks, civil IDs all have the word China written on them or the word China in their names. Go to any Taiwanese government website and tell me if you don't see the word China writen there. Even Taiwan's armed forces are named after China. If you go to Taiwan and buy a map there you will see the map of Mainland China and Taiwan as one country. Taiwan's army is called Republic of China armed forces. Taiwanese Navy, Republic of China Navy. Taiwan's Air force: Republic of China Air force. Taiwan's marine force literally has the map of the whole of China in their emblem and uniform just about everything you said is wrong. The Qing were not even the first Dynasty to rule over Taiwan? The Ming Were. The Qing then defeated the remnants of the Ming took Taiwan and added it to Fujian Province. Yes the Qing was ruled by the Manchus. But where are the Manchus now? They are all Chinese citizens. Where does Manchuria belong to now? China The Japanese illegally took Taiwan from the Qing by force in a war of aggression. They relinquished all those territories at the end of WWII back to the original owners. The PRC is the legal successor of the Qing Dynasty. The ROC constitution itself states that Taiwan is a part of China and that Taiwan and Mainland China are part of the same country. Both the ROC and PRC signed a memorandum in the 1990s stating that there is only one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The ROC represented the whole or China in the UN security council up until 1972. How can the government of Taiwan represent the whole of China in the UN security council if Taiwan is not a part of China? I ask you? Then a UN resolution was passed in the UN security council and the UN General Assembly recognizing the PRC as the legislative government of the whole of China including Taiwan. In 1970s the US president Nixon and Carter states thst the United States recognizes that there is there is only one China and that the Taiwan is a part of China. They even signed various agreements and communiques with the government of Beijing. Furthermore, up until the mid 1980s it was illegal and a criminal offense in Taiwan to claim that Taiwan was an independent country from China. If you did such a thing the Taiwanese government authorities themselves would arrest you and charge you with sedition, seperatism and treason. Up until the day he died the founder of Taiwan Chiang Kai Shek's last wishes was to have his body sent to the Mainland to be burried among his ancestors. Just a few months ago the fomer President of Taiwan Ma, went to Mainland to be welcomed by a heroes welcome as he visited China to visit his ancestors and stated. "We are all Chinese. The people of both sides of the Taiwanese straight are Chinese." Taiwan's own laws recognizes Taiwan as a part of China. However the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China are both a part of China. Hawaii and Okinawa in the other hand were internationally recognized independent countries with their own government, constitutions, laws. Both were illegally invaded annexed by Japan and the United States in the late 19th century. Okinawans have been protesting for US forces to leave their Islands for decades and the US refuses to leave them alone. Indigenous Hawaiians were invaded with Mainland Americans. They lost all their ancestral homes and land and now they are an minority inside of their own countries. How come those people calling for China to be partitioned don't call for the independence of Hawaii and Okinawa

[@deanzaZZR]

I love how Shelley pretends that the USA 7th Naval Fleet doesn't exist. She's getting paid.

[@harryloo8544]

If US will not support peaceful reunification, then obviously reunification by force are Beijing's only option. Status quo aka permanent separation are neither acceptable nor sustainable.

[@vietnguyen4312]

There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or agreements that state Taiwan is part of China The fact is the only legal way that Taiwan can become legally part of China is if Taiwan ceded the island and signed a treaty between the two countries.

[@TennisArena365]

They wouldn't to much American muscle in the South Sea area

[@waynegore5291]

Status quo is NOT taiwan's choice, it is the only way to avoid war with mainland. Status quo is NOT mainland's choice, because it IS the most useful containment tool by the USA. China has patience of 20 more years for economic developement reason.

[@vietnguyen4312]

there are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or agreements that state Taiwan is part of China The fact is the only legal way that Taiwan can become legally part of China is if Taiwan ceded the island and signed a treaty between the two countries.

[@tomchen513]

Does Washington know Japan thinks Taiwan is Japan?

[@Brisamars-q1c]

Wasting my time on TW. Non issue to people in Asia.

Perfect video to understand the situation…

[@elmersbalm5219]

😂

[@vietnguyen4312]

Firstly, just because Taiwan is not legally recognized as a state does not automatically hand sovereignty of the island to the PRC. There are no internationally recognised treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan was not added to the PRC constitution until 1978. Personally, I believe that Taiwan has intentionally not been recognized as a country for a completely different reason to what is ever discussed. If Taiwan were to declare themselves as a country, then the open waters currently in the Taiwan Strait would cease. In otherwards the Exclusive Economic Zones of both the PRC and Taiwan would overlap thus eliminating any open waters. This would create issues for Japan, US, South Korea and any other countries that navigate through this region.

[@tomchen513]

Peaceful unification and the political education of a separatist mindset cannot align with each other.

[@tomchen513]

...cannot allow it to fall into thw hands of China Well said.

[@vietnguyen4312]

1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China for centuries, as insisted by the Chinese government today. Taiwan was added to the PRC constitution in 1978. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. fact

[@waynegore5291]

Regime change in China especially if it is elected by people, will make the unification much fast at very high cost of both Chinese and American.

[@eugene_dudnyk]

The whole discussion is “how to capitulate the world order to China without casualties”. Appears detected.

[@robbyjones9813]

When it comes to twain it depends on what it's people want. If there are economic benefits that would come under threat from reunification then we need to fix it. Reunification or not.

[@cglai6010]

The Hong Kong impact is crushed by the war in Russian Ukraine war as Taiwanese see the total destruction and sacrifice of a proxy country. The Taiwanese are much less illogical now than practical. The status quo is now back.

[@PAULGARRETT-q6i]

IT'S KING OF CHINA XI JIPING HE'S GREATNESS RIGHT BEFORE YOUR VERY OWN EYES!

[@tomchen513]

Taiwan is a part of China. But China cannot reunify it when it drfits away or when the US helps it separate from China. What logic is this?

[@vietnguyen4312]

Prove that Taiwan is part of China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or agreements that state Taiwan is part of China The fact is the only legal way that Taiwan can become legally part of China is if Taiwan ceded the island and signed a treaty between the two countries.

[@oceanbreeze89]

Status quo is extremely unfair for the 23 million people of Taiwan. It’s time to fully recognize Taiwan.