healthy release of emotions

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iusedtobeawizard

iusedtobeawizard

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@AntimatterSemen
@AntimatterSemen 11 жыл бұрын
I always thought of it as Kirk representing strength/bravery, Spock representing intellect and McCoy representing compassion.
@katikonopik
@katikonopik 5 жыл бұрын
Roddenberry himself said that he created Spock and Kirk as two parts of one soul. Spock representing the intellect, Kirk representing the emotion and McCoy representing the balance between the two. I think that's pretty interesting and remarkable.
@christianblack9426
@christianblack9426 5 жыл бұрын
*McCoy representing emotion, Kirk representing the balance between the two.
@brandongil7594
@brandongil7594 4 жыл бұрын
Ego/ID/Super ego.....Zeus, Hades, Poseidon. Tale old as time.
@Ragitsu
@Ragitsu 4 жыл бұрын
Spock - Super Ego. McCoy - Id. Kirk - Ego.
@brandongil7594
@brandongil7594 4 жыл бұрын
Ragitsu I’d say Spock-Ego Kirk-ID McCoy-Super Ego
@Rekaert
@Rekaert Жыл бұрын
"Jim ... step away from the emotionally compromised Vulcan who can fold you like a pretzel."
@linkfan160
@linkfan160 4 жыл бұрын
"I have noted that the healthy release of emotion is frequently very unhealthy to those closest to you." I think about that quote all the damn time. I agree with Mccoy, but I also agree with Spock.
@kentrellmitchell966
@kentrellmitchell966 3 жыл бұрын
Statement holds to close to my heart.
@christopherallen9580
@christopherallen9580 2 жыл бұрын
@@kentrellmitchell966 I agree!
@huhwhat6887
@huhwhat6887 Жыл бұрын
What is healthy release of emotions?
@briandeschene8424
@briandeschene8424 7 ай бұрын
Which proves there’s no perfect solution. Oh, wait! He always that.
@HoJo66
@HoJo66 Ай бұрын
One of my favorite quotes in all of the Star Trek franchise.
@kataisa3
@kataisa3 9 жыл бұрын
Spock: "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." Ohh wait, wrong show....
@vccstudents
@vccstudents 7 жыл бұрын
I'm on my way to a job that makes me feel this angry. I needed a good laugh. THANK YOU!
@alexpalmer9101
@alexpalmer9101 6 жыл бұрын
Well, Spock's blood is the color green, so they're not THAT far off. :)
@SpiritBear12
@SpiritBear12 6 жыл бұрын
It might be the wrong show, but it still hold's true in Spock's case.
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 5 жыл бұрын
The Hulk really could be called a green-blooded hobgoblin! 😁 Banner's struggle to keep his angry Hulk persona from overwhelming his scientist's rational mind would be something very familiar to Spock.
@xxxradicaldreamerxxx
@xxxradicaldreamerxxx 5 жыл бұрын
Vulcan smash!
@jturner7771
@jturner7771 6 жыл бұрын
It's always interesting to see examples of a disadvantage to being a Vulcan. A human recovers from an emotional embarassment much easier than a Vulcan.
@EarlJohn61
@EarlJohn61 6 жыл бұрын
But it's not the disadvantage of being a Vulcan... It's the problem of a half human trying to be a full Vulcan! Spock is still trying to reconcile both of his heritages and consequently has "emotional control" issues that would embarrass him in front of his father...
@elizabethjansen2684
@elizabethjansen2684 3 жыл бұрын
@@EarlJohn61 actually full Vulcan's also have that problem, remember sybok spock's half brother for starters.
@LordTalax
@LordTalax Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethjansen2684 Sybok didn't have trouble with emotion he just blurted it out like humans.
@elizabethjansen2684
@elizabethjansen2684 Жыл бұрын
@@LordTalax he was also insane
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 7 жыл бұрын
You know shit got real when McCoy is talking about emotions, and Spock isn't even trying to contradict him, or chide him for his constant referring to them.
@miriamp.3761
@miriamp.3761 3 жыл бұрын
Good point, brugh
@cornelius386
@cornelius386 12 жыл бұрын
I think Plato's Stepchildren was one of the best episodes. It was emotional. It was philosophical. It dealt with the corrupting influence of power. It dealt with humiliation, hatred, powerlessness.
@amazzonkane
@amazzonkane 4 жыл бұрын
cornelius386 This comment is what inspired me to watch the episode which became one of my favorites for how it dealt with all the themes you mentioned, particularly the psychology of humiliation and how to deal with it. So little media really analyzes that as a subject. I think a lot of people have such strong emotions on this one because humiliation is such a difficult emotion to experience and since the torture is so psychological we, the audience, empathize with the characters so much that feel every ounce of pain that they do. But the characters humanity and Alexander’s arc is also so strong that the bad and good both leave a lasting impression. It’s like we ourselves came out of this difficult journey. I loved the episode and its psychology so much I even had to make a video about it. Thanks for the inspiration.
@unclestephen2722
@unclestephen2722 3 жыл бұрын
I must rewatch it. This one they hated, of course, and I have it listed in my mind as just about the silliest one.
@toAdmiller
@toAdmiller 2 жыл бұрын
@@unclestephen2722 Why silly? Because they made Spock and Kirk do silly things? If you look past that superficial aspect, there are the much deeper themes mentioned above about philosophy, the corrupting influence of power, emotions in general, humiliation, hatred, powerlessness...all that arguably make this a solid, even superior episode...
@bortroad5740
@bortroad5740 2 жыл бұрын
And who can forget the horse scene
@Emper0rH0rde
@Emper0rH0rde Жыл бұрын
Man is it tough to watch, though. Especially when you've suffered s--ual abuse. It's renowned for airing TV's first interracial kiss, but everybody forgets that they're both essentially being *raped.*
@Hodaris_Darlin
@Hodaris_Darlin 3 жыл бұрын
Spock's crushing of the goblet shows the deep anger within him more than any words ever could.
@ScientistCat
@ScientistCat 2 жыл бұрын
And his superhuman strength, which he is very much aware of. Another reason Vulcans (and hybrids like Spock) must keep their emotions in check all the time.
@Artisan1979
@Artisan1979 3 жыл бұрын
Leonard did a great job in conveying Spock's restrained rage at being violated which is actually what it was. A man who, as a member of a society devoted almost religiously to logic and purging of emotions, is forced to evoke them for a tyrant's own amusement is tantamount to being physically violated. To make matters worse, the man whom he holds as a brother may have been killed because of those emotions. To have pillars you have erected over decades in your mind to maintain discipline and control ripped away so quickly for perverse entertainment is humiliating and soul shattering. Spock is sitting there contemplating whether or not he has the ability to control his emotions as he always believed he did. His own beliefs have been shaken and he's struggling to regain that acceptable level for emotional stability. He is trying to let go of the rage and feelings of vengeance he feels towards his tormentor and yet finds every attempted foothold to be as loose as quicksand. I've been where he is and that's why I can see that very same dilemma. Brilliant writing and brilliant performance.
@chake46
@chake46 3 жыл бұрын
This comment need to be saved for this episode. No question of how abused one could be & feel given any situation where being tormented is a factor!!
@almostfm
@almostfm 3 жыл бұрын
And he used a technique I learned in my HS drama class-if you need to portray someone on the very edge of losing control, it really works to play the scene as "quietly" as you can. Then, when you need to let a little of that pent up emotion out (in this case, crushing the cup), it hits the audience far harder than it would if you'd spent the previous minute or two stomping around.
@chake46
@chake46 3 жыл бұрын
@@almostfm Agreed!!! Three scenes in this episode stood out for me....this one, the forced interracial kiss between Uhura & Kirk, and when Alexander finally spoke without fear or threat from everyone else!!! This episode is a perfect example of the cruelty some people are capable of inflicting on others whom they consider weak!!!
@briane173
@briane173 Жыл бұрын
This could not have been better articulated. Well done, much respect.
@KrustyNorth65
@KrustyNorth65 3 ай бұрын
One of my favourite ST moments ...I cannot say enough how great the acting was with fantastic writing ...🖖
@cheshirecat8991
@cheshirecat8991 7 жыл бұрын
"I must control" *crushes cup* ... nice job Spock
@danielblair4413
@danielblair4413 4 жыл бұрын
Actually crushing the cup or any other non living object could be considered controlling one's anger (even though Spock might not see it as such) because losing control of one's anger would mean to inflict that anger upon a living thing whether it's the actual person that caused the anger or anyone else for that matter.
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, I saw a whole long shelf of those cups at the Dollar tree store.
@mnirwin5112
@mnirwin5112 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielblair4413 You're quite right, but you're also likely right in that Spock wouldn't see it as control.
@ladylightning1741
@ladylightning1741 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Жыл бұрын
Lol.
@RainbowEssence-c3w
@RainbowEssence-c3w 8 жыл бұрын
Ah, what a cute scene, poor Spock. He's so loyal to his captain.
@Admiral8Q
@Admiral8Q 6 жыл бұрын
His friend.
@ninjabearpress2574
@ninjabearpress2574 2 жыл бұрын
Cute isn't the word I'd use. Kirk and Spock were telekinetically controlled while McCoy was forced to watch. Coming to terms with being overpowered is a long, hard road.
@ericdunn7352
@ericdunn7352 Жыл бұрын
I think Palpatine would use Spock's loyalty to Jim to his advantage.
@dtrix10kc
@dtrix10kc 11 жыл бұрын
Friendship thy name is Kirk and Spock. So protective of his captain. Brothers in all but blood.
@jewishunicorn7489
@jewishunicorn7489 2 жыл бұрын
Such an incredible example of Vulcan history. They were a "barbaric" society, remember! While for a human it could be therapeutic to release anger, for a Vulcan that is 3x stronger than the loved ones around them... it can be horrifyingly dangerous. I love breaking down Spock's characteristics so much.
@RichieVirgilyaoi4eva
@RichieVirgilyaoi4eva 11 жыл бұрын
This episode was really heartfelt,and it made me want to cry due to Spock was forced to show emoution,which could kill him
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a episode of Enterprise, when Soval got hooked into a machine that removed his emotional barriers, so for a minute, he turned back into Matt Sykes.
@ernestmarshall6330
@ernestmarshall6330 4 жыл бұрын
Kirk and Spock and Mcoy are true meaning of brotherly love.
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Жыл бұрын
At last, somebody who sees it as brotherly love and loyalty. None else.
@nightangel972000
@nightangel972000 4 жыл бұрын
And this episode is probably why Spock was attempting Kolinar at the beginning of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
@AutisticChristian333
@AutisticChristian333 3 жыл бұрын
When Spock says the words “They have evoked such great hatred in me that I cannot allow it to go further.” I heard his voice start to break as in about to 😢 right as he said “Hatred in me.” When he said that it made me feel bad for Spock. This proves that even though he tries to not show his emotions as a Vulcan his human side ends up coming out just a little bit. 💗🤗
@ninjabearpress2574
@ninjabearpress2574 2 жыл бұрын
Spock trusts Kirk and McCoy enough to confide in them, that's friendship.
@smallhouseglowing
@smallhouseglowing 11 жыл бұрын
this scene! what a fantastic tableau! I love the alignment at the start especially - where Spock is deep in thought and Kirk is seen in miniature beyond him as the camera pans out, on his back and looking nervously toward Spock... its overtly subliminal! there's a similar scene in The Cloud Minders where Spock is deep in thought in a dimly lit room while Kirk is sleeping across from him; gorgeously rendered, super potent imagery. great stuff.
@micktherogue2279
@micktherogue2279 5 жыл бұрын
This scene is so MUCH, so intense....overwhelming in its emotions, just like the circumstances of the episode itself. Truly superb.
@ElleRoni
@ElleRoni 14 жыл бұрын
This is some great foreshadowing of Spock and V´ger´s search for control and 'perfection' in The Motion Picture. Good thing that Spock came around in the end and realized how hollow that way of life would be and that the meaning of life is to embrace imperfection.
@graced1338
@graced1338 2 жыл бұрын
This... simple feeling.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@graced1338 Well, remember he says something similar about the M5 computer.
@charlesmiller6281
@charlesmiller6281 7 жыл бұрын
Star Trek was set in space, but the shows themes were timeless situations that could take place anywhere, anytime. By the end of this episode Kirk has greater mental power than anyone, could rule the planet or do anything he desired, but instead he uses his power only to enable everyone to be free. There's more Star Trek in 5 minutes of this one episode than all the JJ Abrams abominations put together.
@hvmoore221
@hvmoore221 5 жыл бұрын
I know it's been a year, but I can't agree with this enough.
@henryrobinson3820
@henryrobinson3820 5 жыл бұрын
Charles Miller; Thanks for your perspective, I agree its wonderful!
@BodaciousWench
@BodaciousWench 5 жыл бұрын
Charles Miller you do know that you can praise one thing without tearing down another, yes?
@scottfitzpatrick1939
@scottfitzpatrick1939 3 жыл бұрын
Have to agree the intent of star trek has changed and it didn't really care if it took old fans with it.
@Einnor084
@Einnor084 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottfitzpatrick1939 Hijacked!!!
@WizelBalan
@WizelBalan 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Spock is not so much angry that he was forced to show emotions but by doing so he almost killed his Captain and dear friend and that seriously pissed him off more than anything else.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
He was probably privately pissed off at T'pring. And then more so in Spock's World, when he couldn't even complete saying LLAP to her.
@madtodream
@madtodream 13 жыл бұрын
My God, he loves the hell out of that man.
@hamhockbeans
@hamhockbeans 4 жыл бұрын
You don't mess with family.
@TamptheChamp2
@TamptheChamp2 4 жыл бұрын
I think Spock needs a hug.
@xMikanNamix
@xMikanNamix 14 жыл бұрын
Hot dam. Spocks voice during this whole scene was literally laced with complete rage! All for Jim ~ *prances through the flowery meadows of slash* Jim boy, he's a keeper! xxx
@nicholasmaude6906
@nicholasmaude6906 4 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha:)!
@ImYourOverlord
@ImYourOverlord 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the ultimate bromance.
@lazyhazeldaisy9596
@lazyhazeldaisy9596 3 жыл бұрын
Spock being made to nearly kill Kirk is having a great deal of trouble controlling his anger here, I think he is more human than he thinks, Bless him.
@Unknown-sg4tv
@Unknown-sg4tv 4 жыл бұрын
It's good to have emotions and to express those emotions in a healthy way.
@Trekfreek
@Trekfreek 12 жыл бұрын
Private release of emotion doesn't always create the feedback that people need to let go of the emotions it is released. The emotion remains tethered without the external acceptance or non acceptance of the emotion on the part of others.
@kellyrayburn4093
@kellyrayburn4093 3 жыл бұрын
And this is why Vulcans do not (cannot) give free vent to their emotions. Compared to Vulcan emotions, human emotions are like a friendly tabby cat. We can give free vent to our emotions and then set them aside and embrace logic and reasoning. Vulcan emotions are so strong, that they must be ruled, else the emotions will rule the individual. And Vulcans have seen the results of being ruled by their emotions: A nuclear war and an almost destroyed planet. That was the cause of the Time of the Awakening. They knew they had to rule their emotions with an iron fist or the emotions would rule them.
@fastertrackcreative
@fastertrackcreative Жыл бұрын
I wonder what an emotionally uncontrolled vulcan is like?
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Жыл бұрын
Hm.
@Marveryn
@Marveryn 26 күн бұрын
@@fastertrackcreative i would think they would be like a romulan
@jeffnaslund
@jeffnaslund 3 жыл бұрын
It took many years for Spock to master his human side. In the end, he stopped resisting it and finally embraced it as being part of him. It was the logical thing to do
@RolandTemplar
@RolandTemplar 2 жыл бұрын
He is an hybrid?
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@RolandTemplar Yup.
@aligerously
@aligerously 11 жыл бұрын
I very much agree with your assessment! A week ago I was taking screenshots of this episode, and there were an overwhelming number of gorgeous images from this scene. There are also quite few moments throughout the episode where the color balance and details are simply breathtaking! I haven't seen Cloud Minders yet, but I'm looking forward to it even more now =]
@joshuawaldorf9559
@joshuawaldorf9559 4 жыл бұрын
Important moment for Spock to realize how emotion could happen anytime despite being in control. A moment to learn something and a moment to realize something.
@dbloyd2
@dbloyd2 3 жыл бұрын
This episode could have been the Jedi vs the Sith before Lucas thought of it. It is all there.
@nicholasmaude6906
@nicholasmaude6906 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Kirk/Spock slashfics were written based on this scene;-)?
@cjjones9588
@cjjones9588 4 жыл бұрын
I actually watched this clip because it was referenced in a slash fanfic lol :D
@softnoobgirl73
@softnoobgirl73 4 жыл бұрын
A lot
@a_gay_homosexual_funeral
@a_gay_homosexual_funeral 4 жыл бұрын
I’m actually going to tease some K/S in a scene similar to this in a fanfic I am writing. (It’s gulliver’s travels but Star Trek if you must know)
@katherine1304
@katherine1304 4 жыл бұрын
Twilight Trekkie post a link in here when you post it!
@AdaSoto
@AdaSoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@a_gay_homosexual_funeral Link when you've got a chance. Please.
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what a Vulcan-Betazoid hybrid would be like. I'm guessing a powerful telepath and empath, both sensing and expressing the full range of emotions, but still posessed of a very logical and rational mind. Like Sybok, minus his search for "God"? Yikes!! 😱
@Iantorchwood94
@Iantorchwood94 12 жыл бұрын
Plato's Stepchildren, season 3, episode 10.
@AriusBLK
@AriusBLK 3 жыл бұрын
When you finally comprehend the term “Oh shit” this just got real !!!
@ariantae
@ariantae 15 жыл бұрын
Spock is so protective of Kirk...this is yet more evidence that people in the sixties lacked eyeballs. Seriously, how could you not see that complete devotion!! Thanks for the clip! :)
@jewishunicorn7489
@jewishunicorn7489 2 жыл бұрын
Not quite lacked... The premise was clear for a lucky few ;)
@normanred9212
@normanred9212 Жыл бұрын
You people always go towards the perverted and sexual, why must you make everything gay incestuous porn. You do understand brothers in arms, brotherly love, the love we have for a friend can almost be as strong as we have for a sibling. This doesn't mean one wants to be sexual, all you have is your perversion and hollow self
@brynpookc1127
@brynpookc1127 Жыл бұрын
Not really. I was 15 when Star Trek first aired. I wasn’t sure what it was, but I knew there was something going on. Being a very sheltered girl I couldn’t name it, but knew it was very strong. No one else I knew watched the show, so I just held onto the secret until I could work it out. In the ‘70s we started getting some conventions to Kansas City and I discovered the secret: The Premise. Fans were writing and you could sign up for $1 and they’d send out mimeographed stories … sent in plain brown wrappers. Everyone was afraid the Post Office would intercept the work and they’d be charged for sending pornography through the US Mail!
@zeltzamer4010
@zeltzamer4010 Жыл бұрын
They had Stonewall in the sixties.
@LordTalax
@LordTalax Жыл бұрын
Men can be close without being gay for each other.
@hopscotchoblivion7564
@hopscotchoblivion7564 8 жыл бұрын
Description is too good
@nelgstuart3442
@nelgstuart3442 3 жыл бұрын
To a boy of 12, in 1969, Star Trek was beyond belief, and I could hardly wait for the next episode. Gene Roddenberry was a genius. He imagined it all and saw it all, before it was ever manifested on film. If there is anyone who rivals J. R. R. Tolkien, (Hobbit and Lord of the Rings), it would have to be Gene Roddenberry. There are very few phenomenons like this in history. Roddenberry was making "Moral plays", said Nichelle Nichols, (Uhura). It will never be forgotten. Star Trek is in the company of The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, the Beatles, Elvis Presley, and Jesus of Nazareth. My generation saw it all bud and bloom, into it's completeness. I can't help but get emotional. So what have I learned? At 64 now, I miss the old days.
@optimusprimevil1646
@optimusprimevil1646 2 жыл бұрын
cars were better too
@BjRomesburg
@BjRomesburg 13 жыл бұрын
How can Spock deny having emotions when he C L E A R L Y loves Kirk to death... Not even in a slashy way (But I'm not saying it isn't more than a 'Close Friendship'). Their love makes me happy. ^-^
@djackson4657
@djackson4657 6 жыл бұрын
Spock never denied having emotions,he has to control them.In the distant pass Vulcans were very violent people,they almost destroyed themselves
@martyschriver
@martyschriver Жыл бұрын
Vulcanized have emotions, they just keep them bottled up. And Spock is half human after all
@andy-1998
@andy-1998 4 жыл бұрын
I love this episode.
@mocurio
@mocurio 12 жыл бұрын
Wow, I have to agree with Spock on release of emotions. I also agree with McCoy's view on the same matter. I think there might be a perfect solution to this. If one wishes to release his/her emotions, and not ending up hurting those one loves closest, one should release them privately. That seems to be the solution.
@emiliesmith9403
@emiliesmith9403 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I grew up to just put a muzzle on it and act like everything was perfect ... my mother said she couldn’t go to her parents with emotions either .. my father too... geee ... go do it private ... thanks mom and dad for not wanting to upset your perfect lil lives ..!!! Lol
@SalamanderStar
@SalamanderStar 12 жыл бұрын
I... somehow wasn't expecting that. O_O'
@eroicaandbeyond
@eroicaandbeyond 13 жыл бұрын
Bless you for all these slashy k/s uploads bb
@mrspoptartsandmilk
@mrspoptartsandmilk 11 жыл бұрын
I think anyone who doubts anything needs to go and /read/ and actually get informed about what gene rodenberry has said about Kirk and Spocks relationship, given the fact that he actually said there IS deep love involved and that the affection would be sufficient to have fisical demonstrations of it, if the 23rd century allowed it. so yeah. you're lacking eyeballs if you dont see it
@bansheeziebaneezie7693
@bansheeziebaneezie7693 7 жыл бұрын
Marshak and Culbreath: There's a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement now which compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion to the relationship between Kirk and Spock -- focusing on the closeness of the friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another -- Roddenberry: Yes, there's certainly some of that, certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal... we never suggested in the series... physical love between the two. But it's the... we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century." (He looks thoughtful.) "That's very interesting. I never thought of that before. The Original Series writer David Gerrold, has also spoken about K/S slash sometimes. In 1985, Gerrold commented: "One of the truths I've been telling lately is that Kirk and Spock are not lovers... they're not even boyfriends. They're just good friends." When asked about whether there was intentional homoerotic content between K/S in the show, and in particular in the episode "Amok Time", Star Trek's writer D.C. Fontana replied, "In answer to your question, NO - there were no homosexual double-entendres in the script - at least none that were deliberate. If some viewers chose to read that into the dialogue, etc., that's their point of view, but certainly not ours. Writer Theodore Sturgeon was trying to reveal Spock's inner human in a struggle with what his culture, his upbringing and his half-human/half-Vulcan heritage had instilled in him about emotion and controlling it in an out-of-control situation. It also was a peek into the Vulcan culture that no one had seen before. That's ALL we were doing. I've heard this nonsense (especially about Kirk/Spock) for years. There is no basis to it.
@scottfitzpatrick1939
@scottfitzpatrick1939 3 жыл бұрын
Powerful scene i had forgotten things for bringing it out
@allencollins6031
@allencollins6031 3 жыл бұрын
Roddenberry was a savant genius
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 5 жыл бұрын
This episode has some of the silliest and most degrading scenes of all if Trek. Yet in showing the characters dealing with their embarrassment and the situation in general, it also exhibits many of Trek's best and highest ideals. It's still hard to watch, but well worth the effort if you ask me.
@LordZontar
@LordZontar 5 жыл бұрын
What makes "Plato's Stepchildren" hard to sit through is that it is not pleasant to watch what the Platonians put Kirk and Spock through. The spectacle makes for just about the most disturbing episode of Star Trek. Kirk and Spock are literally made into puppets, albeit fully self-aware puppets, and have their dignity brutally ripped away from them. However, this is also what makes Alexander the most compelling character of the episode, because this was his daily reality and yet he still managed to retain his own hidden dignity and had not simply surrendered himself to his fate. Early in the opening teaser, when Alexander is first introduced, we see only a huge shadow on the wall of Parmen's palace and hear the booming echo of his voice from the cavernous hallway until he walks forward and the shadow shrinks down into the small figure who emerges into the scene, but the reality is that we get a glimpse of the giant Alexander truly is within himself and of how much greater he is than the "godlike" Platonians who are all small and empty and dead inside themselves despite their power.
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 5 жыл бұрын
@@LordZontar Very well put!
@amazzonkane
@amazzonkane 4 жыл бұрын
Shiboline M'Ress I fully agree. It’s the most emotionally challenging episode but on a subject that is so rarely talked about and understood, namely the psychology of humiliation and how to get past it. This scene shows that brilliantly. Even the silliness of the torture scenes showcase that while Kirk and Spock are clearly suffering, to Parmen its all just a game, which shows his utter disregard for others freedom. Yet Parmen couldn’t handle one ounce of the pain he’s inflicted on others, paralleled by the fact that a scratch could have killed him.
@amazzonkane
@amazzonkane 4 жыл бұрын
LordZontar Dang, I just made a video on this exact subject and you took the words right out of my mouth. (Plato’s Stepchildren - The Psychology of Humiliation if you’re interested.) I never considered that in his intro, Alexander’s giant shadow actually reflects the “big” qualities within him from the start. He was the “bigger” person by ultimately choosing humanity. Great observation!
@RoseTV-ti6bd
@RoseTV-ti6bd 10 ай бұрын
Greetings ☕🫖 good morning 🌞🙏🏻 this show very educational from the sci Fi side 🤺
@rjb1216
@rjb1216 12 жыл бұрын
I hated this episode but this scene was brilliant especially the way Leonard Nimoy plays it
@drlee2
@drlee2 9 жыл бұрын
This TOS scene is one reason I never could get into any of the "sequel series" TNG, DS9, or Voyager fully. It may be set in the "future", but this scene here is still relevant today and lesson-teaching. I think the sequel series got away from the humanity too much and tried to be about sci-fi technobabble. Here, you've got strong, subtle acting from all 3 actors whose characters drove the series, not the surface, pseudo-acting that existed in the later series. This wasn't even one of the best episodes but even in some of the better eps of the later series, I never thought the acting was anything to write home about! In the later series, it was more about exciting space battles and intriguing villains than great acting or chemistry among the main cast. The TNG cast, with a couple of exceptions like Worf and Riker, were generally lifeless, interchangeable automatons. Sorry, but true! To a lesser extent, same is true of Voyager although a few characters like Paris, The Doctor, and 7of9 were funny and had cheeky personalities. Only DS9 had some semblance of diversity and intrigue similar to TOS.
@manco828
@manco828 7 жыл бұрын
It could be argued that Garak(DS9) was the best performance in Star Trek history.
@hvmoore221
@hvmoore221 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree with you more.
@MariaMartinez-researcher
@MariaMartinez-researcher 5 жыл бұрын
I would say in this scene there was superb interaction between *four* great actors.
@lilshifty4758
@lilshifty4758 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think today's audiences would appreciate a space show with subtlety, ppl want their 'splosions
@katikonopik
@katikonopik 5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you on that comment. Thank you!
@Aminecraftprochick
@Aminecraftprochick 8 жыл бұрын
The thing I have realised about star trek is that it is often one of the most cringe worthy shows of all tine, but the Bones/Kirk to Spock banter and just Spock in general makes it all worth it.
@kyokogodai-ir6hy
@kyokogodai-ir6hy 6 жыл бұрын
What makes it cringe worthy in your eyes?
@cailahm8067
@cailahm8067 6 жыл бұрын
tos can be cringeworthy but its campy enough to get away with it
@hamhockbeans
@hamhockbeans 4 жыл бұрын
@@cailahm8067 You say that about every damn show today.
@kevinemmers9424
@kevinemmers9424 3 жыл бұрын
In all of cinematic history (that I know of) there is only one other relationship of a loyal and faithful servant as Spock is to Kirk. I am referring to Sam, who through every trying experience of hell, would not let his master, Frodo, down. Through thick and thin, they stick together. Of these two relationships, nothing else compares.
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@bettyleeist
@bettyleeist 2 жыл бұрын
The three muskateer’s of Star ⭐️ Trek……Captain Kirk,Mr.Spock,and Doctor 👩‍⚕️ McCoy.
@Serai3
@Serai3 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking, "Leave him alone. Just leave him alone. He can deal with this only if you leave him alone."
@ladylightning1741
@ladylightning1741 10 ай бұрын
Vulcans: Almost all our emotions lead to homicidal rage, so we must suppress them. Klingons: Almost all our emotions lead to homicidal rage, so square up.
@MrGnastygnate
@MrGnastygnate Жыл бұрын
Spock was pissed. At this moment he wanted to kill Parman. That is the point of this scene but because he is Vulcan he also felt shame because he believes in peace. Even non half Vulcan’s would have struggled with this.
@beckyrosen564
@beckyrosen564 12 жыл бұрын
Sweetie, are we watching the same show? It's not about perviness or twisting anything we see, not when we have things like "this simple feeling" and "Sometimes, Mr. Spock, a feeling is all we humans have to go on." Oh, oh, and don't forget "Let me help." And the "Deep Love" quote. Sweeheart, our canon is long-range. On the USS Spirk, we play the long game.
@prettyoddvices4306
@prettyoddvices4306 8 жыл бұрын
I'm Spock
@overalloverkill
@overalloverkill 13 жыл бұрын
The way he crushes that cup makes me want to do filthy things to him. Don't we just love it when Spock gets angry?
@lillyf973
@lillyf973 4 жыл бұрын
@Samuel L. Jackson what?? *BANG!* DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?"
@McCoYiSaWsOmE101
@McCoYiSaWsOmE101 14 жыл бұрын
hehehehehehe *breaks fancy cup* lol hope his hand's not bleedin!
@tahutoa
@tahutoa 4 жыл бұрын
_Reads title_ _Imagines evil Kirk on the medical table_
@PassTheMarmalade1957
@PassTheMarmalade1957 12 жыл бұрын
Put the word out - Parman, Spock is coming for you. Run and hide.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 7 жыл бұрын
As Khan found out too.
@sdufg
@sdufg Жыл бұрын
they even have toto in this scene.
@vivi44
@vivi44 6 жыл бұрын
Spock, suggests purging!
@n10cities
@n10cities 3 жыл бұрын
Spock is PISSED!
@wjzav1971
@wjzav1971 Жыл бұрын
Give this man a hammer and a room full of disposable vases and he would have the perfect place for a healthy release of emotion.
@SeansModelBuilds
@SeansModelBuilds Жыл бұрын
I remmeber Kirk said the same kind of thing to the Dohlmann of Elaas. She went to throw something and he said, "If that's the only way you can get gratification, I'll arrange to have this entire room filled from floor to ceiling with breakable objects."
@robertt7069
@robertt7069 Жыл бұрын
I like Michael Dunn. I remember Michael Dunn in the Wild Wil West...
@smokingjoe9864
@smokingjoe9864 Жыл бұрын
He used to work for Buck Strickland as a truck tattler. They would give him a bucket of ice and put him behind the seat.
@DanielJSchwarzhoff
@DanielJSchwarzhoff 2 жыл бұрын
The advantage of being Human over Vulcan. Until such time as a human being discovers mastery over anger and resentment, he still has the option of release. Vulcans on the other hand are doomed. That is because the suppression of emotion is not mastery over them, for which reason Spock suffers.
@Tiberius291
@Tiberius291 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Miguelito Loveless from 'Wild Wild West'
@thatguyfromcetialphaV
@thatguyfromcetialphaV 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Loveless on the side of good.
@hydramori
@hydramori 8 жыл бұрын
omygod just kiss already!!!!!!! Take out your "frustrations" on each other ;))))))))))))) Do it for the sake of Bones, who has to put up with your sexual tension all the time!!!!!!!!!
@hamhockbeans
@hamhockbeans 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry that is your personal fantasy. Spock is not going to stand for the only brother he ever had to be endanger. Also a baby being breast feed is natural but your logic its kinky sex.
@kaylee8130
@kaylee8130 4 жыл бұрын
@@hamhockbeans where did the topic of babies come from they said nothing of the sort
@Hodaris_Darlin
@Hodaris_Darlin 3 жыл бұрын
🙄
@infinightsky
@infinightsky 4 жыл бұрын
When my kids don’t do as they’re told
@hevbev3318
@hevbev3318 3 жыл бұрын
This fucking show..... I swear to god..... this fuCKING SHOW
@silenusmeduseon8814
@silenusmeduseon8814 3 жыл бұрын
Is this from “Plato's Stepchildren” [S3 E10]?
@marcusalexander7088
@marcusalexander7088 3 жыл бұрын
That's right.
@1yugioh11
@1yugioh11 11 жыл бұрын
What is the name of this episode please
@jewelspartaland7144
@jewelspartaland7144 11 жыл бұрын
It's called "Plato's Stepchildren" and has some of the most cringeworthy scenes of the show in it. But it's Star Trek and that's why we love it anyway and everything is forgiven ))
@setok4iba
@setok4iba 11 жыл бұрын
It's from Plato's Stepchildren.
@kianaurata6108
@kianaurata6108 12 жыл бұрын
Unless your Gene Roddenberry... *Cough*
@williamfranz9872
@williamfranz9872 Жыл бұрын
Ahh, ahhh, bitter dregs
@johnleinen9409
@johnleinen9409 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Mr.James West , we meet again! oops wrong show.
@msdeca2009
@msdeca2009 12 жыл бұрын
That would be: Mr. James T. Kirk or Captain James T. Kirk himself solo or with surprisingly: Julie Andrews. NO humiliation. Right?
@michaelhull63
@michaelhull63 2 жыл бұрын
Spock was my hero
@kittykatBflat
@kittykatBflat 13 жыл бұрын
@kittykatBflat especially at 0:46
@mildlycornfield
@mildlycornfield 12 жыл бұрын
he's hardly opening his mouth...
@jackieshafran5109
@jackieshafran5109 7 жыл бұрын
sexy
@JW-do2wc
@JW-do2wc 5 жыл бұрын
Why did Doctor McCoy say that Spock would die if emotions are released?
@ai6894
@ai6894 2 жыл бұрын
Dr. McCoy told them emotions can't be telepathically *forced out* of him, meaning not his own.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@ai6894 Basically VIOLENTLY taking away his natural emotional controls. Something similar happened in Enterprise, when a another Vulcan had his emotional barriers damn near vaporized.
@ai6894
@ai6894 2 жыл бұрын
@@JnEricsonx 🖖 facts I can still remember when Shran made Soval hysterically laugh while torturing him during the interrogation.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@ai6894 Met both actors so yay.
@henryrobinson3820
@henryrobinson3820 5 жыл бұрын
Crazy Star Trek is still hard to not watch. If wishes were horses cable would offer a Star Trek channel where episodes are reran in sequence 24x7
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 4 жыл бұрын
CBS Access?
@ARTmeg101
@ARTmeg101 11 жыл бұрын
what happened to make him so mad?
@abrilnunez1680
@abrilnunez1680 5 жыл бұрын
A telepathic controling tyrant was controling their bodies against their will to keep McCoy in the planet as a doctor. Spock was forced to laugh and cry which is bad for Vulcans, he was also made to tap dance around Kirk's body ( cause he could not move) and Spock almost kicked and stomped on Kirk hard enough to hurt or kill him. Kirk was being harmed and humiliated and kept in place
@lint1234
@lint1234 Жыл бұрын
i havent seen this episode so i don't know the context, but cutting from spock breaking the goblet to the little guy staring at him is so funny to me. it looks like he's terrifically irritated about losing a dish. i think star trek has the funniest cuts, lots of memorable quotes, and humorously over-the-top music
@kittykatBflat
@kittykatBflat 13 жыл бұрын
Put the captions on, this becomes hilarious
@NoahMiller13579
@NoahMiller13579 7 жыл бұрын
kittykatBflat There are no captions.
@jackieshafran2619
@jackieshafran2619 7 жыл бұрын
he is man speading
@smarttvpanasonic145
@smarttvpanasonic145 5 жыл бұрын
Bem boa a série só fiquei sem entender alguns pontos,mas de resto tudo certo.
@tahoevic
@tahoevic 13 жыл бұрын
Bad episope but good componets.
@lexosirideain6338
@lexosirideain6338 11 жыл бұрын
I, personally, feel it's hard to portray a close bond without it seeming... intimate. however, whatever is said, I choose to interpret the events as they come for myself. I like the love-hate thing kirk and Spock have goin' on- and I don't think they're in love. but that's MY opinion,
@huhwhat6887
@huhwhat6887 Жыл бұрын
What would a human be with no emotions……Batman? A philosopher said we live life in 3 parts: consciously, subconsciously and sleep dream where do emotions reside? Scientist have said that your liver has a big role in your emotions/feelings which makes sense why alcohol makes us buzzy or certain foods make you feel satisfied. It’s like our human body is made up of emotions are they programmed into our dna? Same dna your ancestors carried do you carry their wills and feeling as well just as you carry their physical traits? Emotions seem like stimulations that make you react to situations that you later on regret but what is manipulating those stimulations. Your subconscious I guess for is the part of your brain that act alone until you know how to control it mmmmmmm🤔🤔
@emiliesmith9403
@emiliesmith9403 6 жыл бұрын
Emotions .. u brought him up ... I didn’t .. I’m just trying to figure out if I was followed by him or listened in on ... after I said bye ... and how in the hell did I almost get him killed ..??? What a joke ..!!! What the hell is going on here ... this I all fake right ..???!!!! He never followed me or listened in on me ... he never did ... did he ..?? What’s the truth Damit ..???
@fyrestorme
@fyrestorme 2 жыл бұрын
This is antiquated and incorrect psychology of the 50s and 60s What they call the "release" of emotion is actually acting upon emotion. You don't "release" emotion. You feel emotion regardless of what you do or don't do. It's not under your control. Whether you express that emotion is under your control to a degree - depending on the person and the self-control of that person. It is not necessary for one to act on emotions in order to be healthy. But neither ignore them. Reason is one important thing which separates man from beast and it is through that reason and the other gifts (and commands) which God gave us that we must decide on how best to act or not to act on our emotions and how far we should let them influence our actions.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 2 жыл бұрын
Too many people cannot compartmentalize their thoughts or their emotions. Too many people lack maturity, patience, respect, general awareness of anything outside their specific thoughts. Too many people have surprisingly weak self-discipline or impulse control. If these people are angry at someone or something then they immediately "release" anger at everyone and everything which gets too close. Call it antiquated and incorrect psychology if you like, but it is a far-too-common condition in the real world. And in my opinion it is not a "healthy" condition - even when no emotional stimulus has (yet) triggered the "release".
@jamesnasium4035
@jamesnasium4035 3 жыл бұрын
This episode is right up there with Spock's Brain.
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