Hearthstone Player Tries to Guess How Good Seraphine, Vayne and Varus Are in Runeterra w/

[@Rarran]

the lvl 2 version of vayne is shown instead of the level 1, and vice versa. Sorry for the confusion.

[@דורקינן-ע7ה]

Average hearstone player practice reading for the first time

[@aftershock9767]

It's actually rarran secretly nerfing vayne

[@tombstone909]

literally unwatchable

[@baguettegamegurl7617]

Props to riot for making people hate seraphine in yet another game and for different reason

[@MrDrewwills]

Not only that, they fixed all the reasons why people hated her originally.

[@etheron1235]

@@MrDrewwills And added a new problem as well, even though I didn't encounter a Seraphine deck yet

[@ReigoVassal]

@@etheron1235 you don't want to met Seraphine deck.

[@etheron1235]

@@ReigoVassal I may need to make an Anti Spell Demacia Deck to counter it

[@ReigoVassal]

@@etheron1235 you'd probably going to die before your game plan even works

[@sollyzcrown]

showing lvl 2 Vayne while reading the lvl 1 version then doing vice versa, absolute sigma male move by Rarran Kappa

[@christopherIF]

Rarran being chad

[@606hunter1]

You can feel the gamer rage from that rant. Absolutely love it

[@CJSmith1998]

I look forward to these Snnuy & Rarran expansion reviews more than the expansions themselves!

[@soshspotgames4380]

for real tho. these two could do some random podcast just bitching about their respective games and i would eat that shit up. these two just have crazy chemistry.

[@HarryShires]

I could tell the direction of the Seraphine discussion when half way through the video Vayne and Varus was already done.

[@N12015]

In general people seems to hate more Fanclub president and Ezreal than Seraphine, since the latter has already a very dirty record of breaking the game again and again and because of the former being the Piltovan loping telescope fused with Mayor's mana cheating.

[@kiorodjirane8517]

@@N12015 On her own, Seraphine isn't that good (she isn't bad either). I played her with a bunch of different deck but most of the time the MvP is either the Fanclub President or her partner that she support. Ezreal always been good. They nerfed him quite a bit but they recently change how his ability work. Before, the spell needed to resolve for his ability to trigger. So if you killed him before the 'spell chain' resolve or Deny the spell, his ability didn't work. But now, it's at burst speed (when the spell enter the stack). And that make him 'uncounterable'.

[@chainsawboy2388]

@@N12015 the stupid and toxic part of sera is that she counts discounted cards for her duplication literally just making her a 2 mana easier to level karma

[@N12015]

@@chainsawboy2388 I think that speaks more about how toxic aura mana cheating can be, just like with Mayor back in the day.

[@tnangs]

@@chainsawboy2388 I don’t think that’s the toxic part I think literally the only thing that is toxic is the fact that she’s paired with Ezreal. When she’s paired with other champs there isn’t always a direct easy to achieve win co, fan club president might be annoying but she doesn’t win the game in one turn consistently like ez.

[@nightangelx1513]

10:40 Apparently Snnuy has the ability to throw cards across dimensions like TF

[@Patogeno1000]

12:06 Rarran: Is this healthy for the game? Sunny (Shakes his head and mimes killing himself because he just can’t)😂

[@SwineFluDeath]

Always love those Snnuy and Rarran collabs!

[@szuwen007]

That rant was a 10/10 plus the editing on top of it really cracked me up 🤣

[@xTheoryx13]

You and Snnuy work really well together. Plus you knowing League Champs makes these some of your best non-HS series.

[@amuro9624]

Rarran: how are you liking this expansion so far? Snnuy: if I speak I am in big trouble...

[@KyleBogdanMusic]

Minimorph can instantly remove Seraphine, but using a 6 mana spell to turn a 2 mana 2-5 when leveled into a 3-3 feels bad man.

[@randomshit6539]

After Rarran played LoR for a while, these videos are even more fun, always looking forward to them!

[@princequincy5421]

Seeing Sunny go nuclear is the funniest thing on earth.

[@cosmefulanito5052]

I could listen to these two interact for literal hours. Just talking cardgames in general

[@DenkiRay]

Man, when Snnuy when "no, no, absolutely not" when talking about how fun Seraphine must be because of random generating, I really felt that one. Unlike HS, LoR didn't have much RNG (it had some cards, but only in Piltover/Zaun and not that good) until Bandle was released, but after that, oh boy is RNG starting to be a pain... I'm having PTSD already from my times playing Hearthstone...

[@N12015]

And it was mostly Loping telescope the issue, who was nerfed. I hope they revert the Bar guy and nerf the Fanclub president. I think they understand how frustrating RNG is (They nerfed Targon's Peak just because it was so random) so they expected the deck to be too tempo minus to be good. They forgot that Viktor makes created cards tempo and that Ezreal is fundamentally broken.

[@instrumentaltiger5633]

LoR players when their game is finally fun

[@olmollmk6681]

Well we had cards like karma and bard and that portal dog grandma and now we have seraphin i think im allow do also mention trensh siece hus level 2 oh and that is only the champion tho

[@N12015]

@@instrumentaltiger5633 You missed the Un in your text. The community finds randomness the most unfun thing in existence because it steals agency from both sides.

[@zaa488]

@@instrumentaltiger5633 found the seraphine slave

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

New players this expansion: playing Vayne and Sera Me playing fucking Ashe/Ez: this is how your grandpa played LoR, take notes

[@asdrfasfa]

I really enjoy those LoR videos with Snnuy! Keep on doing them with new expansions :D

[@kkoffie446]

Snnuy forgot to mention there is a burst speed removal to deal with Seraphine: minimorph. Plus a vengeance, for good measure :3

[@Melonese]

6 mana to turn a 2 mana 1|4 into a 3|3 is amazing tempo 😭

[@afrovarangian]

Seraphine likes to do die though? Using 6 mana to kill 2 is kinda bad especially if you factor in that seraphine creates cards on summon.

[@kkoffie446]

@@afrovarangian It's not good, borderline unplayable, but Snnuy forgot to mention it, thats all

[@travisprescott9708]

@@Melonese Seraphine needs to be a 1/2 imo. The only efficient way to deal with her is quietus.

[@Melonese]

@@travisprescott9708 she's not really that insane after the nerf imo, 10 spells to flip í a lot, and after that she wouldn't be able to duplicate the 10 spells you used. a hit to bar would definitely make her balanced

[@Snnuy]

I love Seraphine

[@Rarran]

can you send *the* folder?

[@rinkujoka232]

Man wait for akali to break runeterra.... K/DA members on a streak of breaking the game.

[@kozmazalan6615]

@@rinkujoka232 Yeah especially eve

[@RickyMuzakki]

Me when I lie

[@Iriusguy]

Snnuy be like: "Babe, it's 1 week since the last LoR expansion, time rate new cards"

[@webbowser8834]

The difference between Brann Bronzebeard and Seraphine is that in Hearthstone, you can directly attack stuff, so Brann doesn't get more than one turn after he gets played to generate value. In LoR though, you can't really target Seraphine, so you have to use an actual spell to get rid of her. There is nary a spell in the game that can efficiently remove a 2 mana 2/5 or even a 2 mana 1/4. Quietus and Culling Strike are pretty much it in terms of "actually reasonable ways to deal with her", and she has a solid chance of generating something that takes her out of quietus range.

[@IHarleyWin]

Banger video as always rarran

[@Typical7]

luigi. maplestory, shy guy and rowlet plushies. what a man of culture

[@paulb5571]

I saw a bit of the video he spoke of, and it is difficult to disagree with his views on Seraphine. He played two Galios which were both almost immediately removed using spells through Galios spellshield.

[@orihime2u913]

the RAGE xD and the hearthstone theme ROFL I feel ya man~

[@ΣαββαςΠελεκης-ι2μ]

That rant about sera was legendary

[@alies-]

and super accurate, seraphine is awful garbage character and riot are extremely biased towards her

[@chaozimpact]

LMAO, Sunny's rant about Seraphine sent me flying dude It's even foreshadow like halfway through the video but I STILL wasn't prepared for that

[@theman6490]

Saraphine just says “you don’t pick the wand silly”

[@RickyMuzakki]

Seraphine is wandmaker + Bolner hammerbeak in one card 1/4 statline

[@JohnJohnson-sc7hn]

When the Seraphine/Ezreal meta was alive and kicking, I had a match where I removed all three of my enemy's Ezreals and two of their Seraphines. My nexus was still healthy and I had a decent board, so I thought I had it in the bag. They waited for me to tap below removal range, dropped Seraphine, and played a "Revive your strongest dead champion" that had been discounted by Fanclub President. I then died at burst speed to the fourth and fifth Ezreal. I didn't touch the game for months.

[@BraveLilToasty]

Cannot wait for Snnuy to post a video titled: "Why Seraphine is everything wrong with modern Legends of Runeterra."

[@viktormizak7054]

this version of seraphine is the only reason i didnt hunt you down when you prediction was correct.

[@Green_Slimey]

"this is peak hs design" man know his game

[@byeguyssry]

Was waiting for this lmao

[@BoxBoy_99]

I was gonna say you have to show him fan club president with Sera lmao

[@cmciff4054]

As former HS, current LoR player, I love when you do this content. Love your variety and HS too even though not playing these days.

[@Kirby950]

Seraphine: You can never escape the tavern lmao

[@pedroalexandre7915]

Snnuy forgot Minimorph Instant removal. But 6 mana and Bandle City

[@laggerman3193]

Sanest legends of runeterra player explains seraphine

[@JottoHearthStone]

main problem I have with seraphine decks is that until the find the ez, they don't kill you quickly, I usually concede when they set up with a bar simply because I know that over the next 10-15min I will only get to play for like 10% of the game. It just takes so god damn long for them to go through their 5-10 spells per turn over and over again.

[@TheDupeDavec]

I came here to tell you the following for Seraphine in Teamfight Tactics. You put her in a specific build that summons an Extra minion and she is your only carry through the whole game way until late game, when you put another minion who is a tank, oh and she didnt need carry items xD

[@Penguin0verlord]

Played 4 games the first hour of the expansion and lost to Seraphine 4 times. I decided to call it quits until next expansion

[@dankmemes8254]

Avoid rank like the fucking plague this expansion

[@imef3735]

Well, are you liking the new expansion better?

[@JayJayM57]

to highlight how crazy how seraphine is. I was losing lv her up and hit the Nexus for 120 in one turn.

[@qin4]

i laugh when snnuy refrain from speaking ionia when talk about elusive

[@dusty2278]

11:16 rarran projecting hard

[@wolfhowl983]

Seraphine should have been an option in Path of Champion. :P

[@cye2310]

Later updates

[@Skywardflare758]

Seraphine’s fine. Ezreal is a major problem (he tends to break every deck that generates spell advantage, he has a long history of being a problem card). Fanclub President is a problem, but that has easy fixes (reveal the card, limit it to your regions, raise the cost, etc) and Drum Solo is arguably overtuned, but the champ is fine. She takes awhile to level up, isn’t that hard to remove, and has a pretty big deck building cost with the New requirement. If not for the Ezreal interaction (which is a problem with Ezreal) and the lack of knowledge on what Fanclub President generates, she’d be a great value engine after a slow start with appropriate deck building costs.

[@dfrangomango1149]

I mean, there are tons of variations of seraphine decks that aren’t ezreal and are still extremely good so idk

[@NyahstyPlot]

Ezreal breaking everything he touches is a good 1:1 port of his original League incarnation.

[@Skywardflare758]

@@dfrangomango1149 And that’s fine. Those decks play different and she’s a shiny new toy two weeks into a new expansion. There’s also a ton of really good Vayne decks, there were a ton of Lee decks, Bard Decks, Norra Decks, Kai’Sa decks, and so on. Seraphine basically enables control and value play styles, is new, is fun, and is powerful, so of course she’s going to see a ton of play. The new mechanic could use a nerf (either reveal the cards or limit them to regions) and Fanclub President is a problem, but those are simple balance patch fixes. The only inherently super unfair combo is Ezreal, thanks to the zero interaction face melting.

[@jackerrocker2235]

You play 2 spell then play the 7 mana generate 3 two cost spell and boom it instant level Seraphine.

[@rinkujoka232]

The salt mine on seraphine.... Now think about aatrox next expansion

[@olmollmk6681]

Meh i don't think aatrox will be something special i mean kayn and vaarus And aatrox is one of the strongest champion on lore side so they would probably make him aroumd 8-10 mana and give him higt stat

[@N12015]

@@olmollmk6681 Which considering Seraphine makes almost any 6+ mana play unviable...

[@rinkujoka232]

@@olmollmk6681 so... How's aatrox meta right now... Kekw

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

I launched the game again à few days ago, fought 2 seraphines, never launched the game since

[@bajau7713]

love these vids man

[@st8113]

I literally haven't seen Varus ONCE since rotation

[@zachswanson6643]

Fan club president fell out of my pocket 😂😂 that's good lmao, it is hard to rate seraphine without her

[@tktvr9703]

Hearthstone Theme Playing the perfect comedy

[@N12015]

0:40 Basically he HATES this expansion... Like most of the community. Lots of RNG and OTKs is just way too frustrating.

[@IHarleyWin]

Snnuy probably doesn’t hate the rng. I do think he hates the burst speed otks though.

[@N12015]

@@IHarleyWin Most people DESPISE RNG. THEY PROMISED that randomness wouldn't be a big factor in competitive; that's why they nerfed Loping telescope despite not being that busted, and same for Targon's Peak and Timelines.

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

as a PoC only player I like this expansion since Vayne is really fun in that game mode but I can definitely see how seraphine and her could be really annoying in pvp.

[@Relativity0]

@@U1TR4F0RCE my maaaan, Varus in PoC is pretty fun

[@joaovictor_of]

I think the hate on Seraphine is misplaced. I think she is fine when paired with champions like Viktor. The problem for me is fanclub president giving you great spells that you can play twice. The other problem, and the biggest one, is Ezreal giving you free, burst speed nexus damage that dan be duplicated with Seraphine.

[@heidtb6746]

Why is Piltover always the region of "My opponent could have anything at any cost"?

[@davidsamudio3899]

INNOVATION

[@khoinguyen5004]

"Is this healthy for the game?"

[@electricVGC]

The single turn silence lmao

[@moovmints]

rarran you silly meatball seraphine is a bedazzled pandaran exporter

[@tulicloure]

It would be cool to have more non-champion cards added in for future expansions as well. There are some that are really interesting to evaluate. :)

[@raphaelunger3057]

Those are on snnuy's channel

[@jcraa91]

Snnuy and Rarran need to do challenges together man

[@zerolifez]

The problem is Ezreal to be honest. His design is just asking to be exploited, basically any card made need to be checked if it can be exploited by Ezreal or not.

[@etheron1235]

Getting Mystic shot (a 2 cost that deals 2 damage to anything) in every nexus strike, being an Elusive champion which is already hard to deal with, and it benefits from the regions it belongs to. It's like Berry Blast from PvZ Heroes all over again

[@dankmemes8254]

@@etheron1235 at least mystic is fast giving you the option to kill ezreal before unloading the fact this works with burst is dump 20 nexus hit burst speed

[@etheron1235]

@@dankmemes8254 Yeah, but in some cases I don't have any removal in my deck and somehow if I managed to remove Ezreal, the opponent has another one

[@lilyliao9521]

@@etheron1235 if you tech no counter play then you get no counter play

[@CoelhoTanque]

i wonder if galio deck counter sera because theres a card in demacia that incrised the mana cost for spells, then her magics will be more than 2 n stuff

[@Gqio4749]

Snnuy ranting abt sera is hilrious!

[@jaeusa160]

@15:30 Marvel Snap is the card game you play to have fun. The other card games are the ones you watch others stream so you can eat popcorn while the players suffer.

[@mukamuka0]

Fanclub pres. : Seraphine!! Seraphine!!! 😂

[@K1ng0FK1ings]

When is the next Yugioh card rating video

[@Rarran]

Taking a break atm, don’t wanna over saturate it

[@ininite4789]

16:31 What about minimorph?

[@Josue_TK]

16:40 Did... Did Sunny forget Minimorph exists?

[@jaredtan890]

its not even worth to minimorph lol

[@arson55]

I maintain that Seraphine herself isn't the problem. She's good, but not like absolutely broken good. The problems are Fanclub President and Drum Solo. Fanclub President is just horrible both to play and play against. Horrible to play against because it is impossible to play around every potential game winning option she presents, and horrible to play because those times you miss on useful cards will flat lose you games a lot of the time (even better when you miss twice in one game while your opponent wrecks you with their fan...no, I'm not bitter). Drum Solo isn't as bad (in that it is less absolutely frustrating), but it is just way too efficient card draw. And I actually like the current expansion; I'm having fun. I love my Vayne/Ezreal deck even though I only built it because I love the "You're wearing goggles as a hat you imbecile" line. But I'm running fan in the deck, and she has nothing to do with what the deck is trying to do. I'm just in Piltover so why wouldn't I run it? Fanclub President needs to be nuked from orbit, and Drum Solo needs a nerf (The best idea I've seen is making the cost reduction only work if you play the discounted cards that round), and Vayne might need a slight nerf even though that would hit my current favorite deck (It's boring but maybe make her a 3/3?).

[@dankmemes8254]

And ezreal needs reworking seriously how many times did ezreal break the game

[@RickyMuzakki]

Ezreal needs rework

[@rishikaushik8307]

might be too hopeful but it would be fun if you did a rate hearthstone cards with asmongold especially significant WOW characters

[@Assassin21BEKA]

What about dhoeing him level up animations as well and may be champion spotlights?

[@pointfiev]

unpopular opinion: fanclub president is bad, seraphine is perfectly fine.

[@vanminhquan7223]

Yea as a hs player seraphine feel like a okay card and a fun one

[@dankmemes8254]

That is a Common opinion no?

[@pointfiev]

most lor players fucking HATE seraphine, and hate fan club president even more

[@jaredtan890]

copium

[@RickyMuzakki]

@@dankmemes8254 yeah Ezreal and fanclub are the problem, not sera

[@Timeforspas12]

I honestly can't even play the game anymore due to seraphine being so obnoxious to play against. Infinite resources be like:

[@TigerKirby215]

Bard + Seraphine for peak Legends of Hearthstone.

[@lukusridley]

I think we need a better clickbait title for these: "5 year old rank 40 hearthstone prodigy tries to guess how good RIOT GAMES are at designing card games (TERRIBLE!!!!) w/ daycare provided by Snnuy"

[@lukusridley]

Another great video, you two have great chemistry. Would be fun to see you guys playing some stuff

[@dankmemes8254]

W/daybreak provided by snnuy

[@Phoenix42.0]

I do think Kennen Ezreal was more broken on Kennens release than seraphine Ezreal is now...

[@kiorodjirane8517]

Ezreal as always been a problem. From day one of this game, he was good. It was Ezreal/(Teemo? Don't know who was his partner.) with freeze and Elnuk (who could fill the board with one card). Old Aggro Noxus (Teemo), Karma, Swain, Caitlyn (?), Kennen. He was always somewhat here to broke something in the meta.

[@Horrosity]

@@kiorodjirane8517 just like him in League at some points

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Ezreal Kennen was actually fun to play against when Kenneth released, then they did the play cast merge and it exacerbated all of Ezreal's issues and made him less interactive.

[@SnowyGrass]

they should make and give away this version of seraphine as a skin.

[@othmanessid5400]

Seraphine in Wild Rift is much better then her PC version!

[@airiquelmeleroy]

Basically seraphine: your opponent has 2 mana, and you go, yeah, I'm a pro, I know every single 2 cost card in the game, It's safe to attack and he can't do anything! Your opponent: plays a 6 mana a generated card that didn't start in its deck, so you can't track it, that costs 2 mana, so it gets doubled up by seraphine, and shuts down your play It doesn't always happen, but the fact that it CAN happen, means you can't play around everything, and you need to leave some things to pure luck when fighting her

[@kiiturii]

when your opponent is on 1 mana and you think you're fine just to be hit by a 1 mana deny

[@airiquelmeleroy]

@@kiiturii Been there :'(

[@Kagetane24]

try the undyne deck from mega mogwai, it is atleast kind of a counter to seraphine

[@HimariHimatsu]

you put the vayne cards in the wrong order

[@sebastiantirado3675]

So….we gonna get a ezreal/seraphim video

[@АлександрКобзарь-ц8э]

Objection! Varus Pantheon good

[@kiiturii]

it's how seraphine breaks so many of the "rules" the game has set gameplay wise that makes her so annoying. Like for example, before this expansion if you wanted to play around deny, you'd be safe once the opponent went below 4 mana unless they were specifically playing a discount deck (which didn't really exist especially for ionia), now the amount of times I've been hit by one and two mana deny's is insane, you can't play around anything, all player skill is out of the window, you just pray. The way turns just keep going even after hitting 0 mana 3 minutes ago is also so ridiculous especially in seraphine mirror matchups

[@schwarzkopfbrot5179]

A hearthstone Player gues how good cue cards are

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

I live for this

[@SporkMartial]

Seraphine reminds of storm mechanic from mtg

[@Ceracio]

Yes. Annoying, frustrating, basically un-counterable when it goes off except by a mirror match, and the strongest deck of its time by far. Sounds about right. "So I plays this 0-cost card. That make me draw. Then I play this 0-cost card. That make me draw. Then I play this 0-cost card. That make me draw. [.... 3 hours later] ... make me draw. Now I plays Grapeshot. You now has 38 instances of 1 damage in you face on turn 1. You has Flusterstorm? No? You dieded."

[@duncanbertetti5812]

I just want to note that although I haven’t played LoR in a while, I do know there is some other hand interaction in the game. Pranks will give you a chance to increase the mana cost of a card in your opponent’s hand. Don’t know if pranks are in any way viable or common in the game right now though.

[@BoxBoy_99]

Playing against Seraphine is.... It takes the competitive wind out of my sails.

[@ИванМакаров-ь8ю]

What? I hardly climbed out of bronze with seraphine deck. I played it just for fun.

[@grit1]

As much as I like dislike Riot aesthetics I'll watch a rarran video on it

[@igotjinxed2994]

Wym you can minimorph Seraphine :)

[@apozg84]

this is should be good

[@alies-]

It surprises me how riot manages to piece me off with EVERYTHING related to Seraphine. Shamelessly ripping off Sona abilities, weird glittery default look that looks more like Star Guardian than Piltover, overpowered in every game she came (even in tft), extremely cringe marketing campaign with twitter account, now she is top tier in card game too 🤡 Really hate that character and how devs are always biased towards her

[@zxkredo]

Dude how long are you speaking about seraphine please? 💀

[@flyingsquirrel1486]

gragas

[@royalnobody7703]

Seraphine is why I quit lor

[@jasonyang6150]

Plays against level up seraphine she plays 2 mana discard 2 cards......... I flip table

[@silva81]

Yeeeeees