[Hearthstone] TRAPPED by Yogg-Saron - Is there Lethal?

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[@McGliga]

So basically what we learned is: Go face first, ask questions later

[@yincimaster8530]

ME GO FACE

[@Exist64]

Yincimaster Thats sums up my advanced and sophisticated playstyle very well

[@Kassidar]

ya~

[@McGliga]

The only correct play was to go face. Hearthstone in a nutshell Kappa

[@insertarnombre1354]

ME SMART. ME FACE.

[@ToonPlays]

i would've healed first because its always explosive for me

[@SolidroK22]

just like its always huffer

[@MajkaSrajka]

Playing not to loose at its best.

[@freekillew]

I would do this too....

[@kosherun]

Only for your opponent though! For me, it's always leokk...

[@kbg990]

Unless you have a healer specifically, in which case it's always freezing.

[@scottkemp5335]

Paused at 1:52 - not a fucking clue, press life tap and die

[@BodaciousCaliber]

Tapsen LUL

[@nukins]

That's my go to play

[@timur900subscribe]

Scott Kemp I believe the best strategy is to put Jenkins, copy him and smorc

[@TheCookiezPlz]

Plot twist: It's dart trap

[@andrewhengy7631]

Scott Kemp Same. Take the easy way out, don't go through all that math to win. Just give up and never try to break down any barriers in front of you.

[@BelligerentSky]

This is why there's a limit on turn time.

[@TheBriguy1998]

This is why there SHOULDN'T be a limit on turn time. Players should be rewarded when thinking critically, not forced to make plays quickly.

[@BelligerentSky]

Brian Muir orrrr both players just leave their devices going until someone is forced to concede. Which is what would happen 90 percent of the time.

[@TheBriguy1998]

Jackson Rockwell That's true, I guess. Having a turn timer is necessary for a game like HS. But this video presented reasons for why thinking through decisions is interesting and rewarding. Your original comment made no sense in the context of the video.

[@Klayhamn]

+Jackson Rockwell - to prevent people from properly thinking about their turns and making the most correct move? what does "this" refer to - in your sentence?

[@BelligerentSky]

Klayhamn "this" is a joke

[@graysonspider11]

Can we make "is it lethal" a regular thing???

[@dakterbanan]

kinda agree on that idea

[@dn_panic]

Blizzard should add puzzles like this to the game!

[@bazsawow]

yeah, I love these :D

[@DuckRebellion]

Does it remind anyone of the old yugioh puzzles on the games? That would be great.

[@graysonspider11]

Yessssss that's why I left the comment!

[@Gotz_the_iron_hand]

Knowing me, probably would have healed because knowing my luck, it's always explosive trap regardless of the odds. If there is even a .0001 percent chance of it that's what it will be.

[@wallabingbong1810]

Gotz the Ironhand knowing my luck the trap would reveal itself to be FREEZING EXPLOSIVE MISDIRECTION BOMB OF BEARS

[@hatakekakashi3385]

SealthruX A.K.A 3 mana 3/4 play every secret ever for 0 mana

[@zeeiremonger9201]

variance has picks no sides, recognizing this will improve your play

[@d1splaced800]

...and if you healed it definitely wouldn't be explosive.

[@BruhRealy]

1998SIMOMEGA They're saying with their luck if they healed, it wouldn't actually be explosive trap.

[@masonchung2360]

Hero power to concede

[@TRLagia]

And people are wondering why Lifecoach takes so much time for his turns.

[@Baconomics101]

lol yea, except that one time he roped turn two against Trump in a tournament ResidentSleeper

[@TheChrismasCow]

Baconomics101 and still won

[@Nathrezim0]

You act as if roping decreases your chances to win.

[@RisingGambler]

I don't know the specific situation of Lifecoach against Trump. But when his turn 3 is going to be really difficult (maybe in an unfavored matchup), it's plausible to think some things through on turn 2 to have more time on turn 3 because you already used your time.

[@noneofyourbusiness4294]

RisingGambler if I remember correctly, Lifecoach won the game, but the turn 2 axe was a nobrainer. I agree you should always think about what you do with your turn, but! Lifecoach showed multiple times, that all the thinking he (or rather his fans) claim to do, often results in severe failure. So if he'd think through all the possibilies, he should be able to react to a play, or a situation, which he often just can't, sitting there, looking like a fool by missing quite easy lethals. I might give him a point of having a better gameplan than I do, but he throws games at a point, where he should know already it's lethal, which is why I see Kolento for example as a way better player, who has a gameplan and makes the right decisions in more cases than not

[@njm92495]

I'm really loving these puzzle questions. Hope this becomes a long series

[@x10018ro]

For some reason I always have a bias on explosive trap.

[@Krosect]

x10018ro same here. It's probably from facing against face hunter back in GVG

[@0rdon]

Brr thinking about face hunters still keeps me up at night

[@xyhgn]

the nightmares never leaves

[@Chizzoide]

x10018ro but you're thinking on what the opponent would plays vs you, not what a truly random secret is

[@LeonDeSilva]

If you are Trump it's always Explosive Trap.

[@marcustulliuscicero2310]

At 0:30 there is a connected girl and boy sign in the bottom right corner!

[@h4pee]

Skipperino Kripperino humanity is destroyed

[@christiani1561]

Skipperino Kripperino omg hes in kripp junior's chat too

[@mohgceoofblood8235]

Imposter Skipperino!

[@kylehart8829]

Skipperino Kripperino Fake Skipperino... not cool

[@spacesuit5422]

you're fake m9

[@hermeticascetic]

great video, would love to see more of these types of thought puzzle videos

[@petrkalashnikov2430]

6:33 I vote for new Twitch emotion!

[@Goodpatron]

This was a GREAT video. I would REALLY like to see many more videos like this. Instructional/situational videos are very applicable.

[@grantzolldan]

Please make more of these. I really appreciate that you took our plea for more puzzles from your last video. You're awesome. :3

[@m3grim]

Quick math: 4/9 traps are irrelevant (Dart, Cat, Hidden, Snake) and will lead to a win. Regardless of your play, 1 trap (Misdirection) is an unavoidable (citation needed) liability. Healing turns 2 more traps (Snipe, Explosive) into wins, but turns 2 traps into auto-losses (Freezing, Bear), which I believe makes it a wash? Attacking face with your 8/8 allows you to win through 2 traps (Freezing, Bear), leaving you vulnerable to 2 traps (Explosive, Snipe). QED: I believe the optimal path is: attack face, pray it's not Explosive, Earthen Ring Farseer if no traps trigger (to play around Snipe).

[@m3grim]

Ah, I didn't do the math on Misdirection.

[@m3grim]

HAH! /smug

[@zander6100]

Misdirection fucks up the math so much dude haha

[@ForcefulDragon]

I got a very similar answer, but I don't understand toast's 67% math on misdirection. If you play leeroy and faceless first then your best odds still look like 50/50 to me. Swinging with 1 of the leeroy results in 4 options, not 3. (A) It hits your face and you die. (B) It hits the other leeroy and they both die so you lose. (C) It hits shambler which survives, so you win with 2nd leeroy and shambler. (D) It hits yogg and you win with shambler and 2nd leeroy. So either way it seems you are going to be vulnerable to precisely 2.5 traps whether you go with leeroy or earthen ring farseer and safe against 6.5.

[@travismorin5484]

TheFD Sorry Im late, but remember Leeroy has Whelps.

[@noahwallaert]

God I love this content. Its so well thought out and polished. So glad I subbed

[@NerdySatyr]

6:35 - Damnit if Toast aint cute.

[@Jelipow]

So cute

[@FPRobber]

TopHatCat I'm a straight male and I thought the same thing. God damnit Toast!

[@metalbob123]

super kawaii

[@gianlorenzoblanco1858]

When he undisguised, said that the mask will still in the youtube videos, and he will stream unmasked. Now he does youtube videos unmasked, but cuteness overload is real.

[@ArgentumEmperio]

I got as far as figuring out that attacking first played around most traps but... I may have been around having it paused for a few minutes. Thanks for making these awesome mind-puzzle videos Toast! They are absolutely stellar! ^^

[@jasperkousen5470]

Hey Toast! I really love these kinds of videos where you explore what is the best play possible! Keep up the amazing work :D

[@Greg000021]

please make more vids like this, i love solving these puzzles.

[@SonicHaXD]

Tap to victory XD

[@smoresgobbo]

I've always loved videos like this where you are given a situation in which you have to determine "How do I win NOW". Magic the Gathering had a lot of Puzzles like that on a Xbox version of the game I used to play with my old man. I would love to see more videos like these where you give us these situations and let us try to figure it out.

[@educm4141]

These are honestly my favorite videos of this channel. I wish more channels used mathematical analysis to show what plays are the best. Keep doing this toast!

[@rosinenherzog908]

Love this kind of videos. Keep'em coming!

[@drewsanders7502]

I really enjoy these videos. Thanks Toast for always great content! Keep it up man

[@TheUnb3atable]

Very good video toast! Entertaining and engageing! Would love to see more of these :) Keep up the good work!

[@MRBOBDOBALINA15]

Love this style of video, please do more!

[@OmneAurumNon]

I always learn a lot from these videos. Thanks, Toast!

[@carternelson1741]

i like these videos they are very interesting and educational on how best to play in different kinds of situations, i don't play hearthstone as much as i used to but i still find it fun to try and figure these out.

[@TheyCallMePhinq]

I'm really liking the videos like these. While the regular videos teach about special interactions, these videos are teaching more about optimizing your plays.

[@JesterMaskLP]

I actually figured it out,and I'd like to see more of these videos!

[@Comicus_]

I love this style of video. More please!

[@RockmanRatix]

Really loving these turn analysis videos. More please ^_^

[@xDMrGarrison]

I thought for a while and came up with attacking first. I hadn't seen the Farseer follow-up to beat Snipe as well, that was beautiful :D

[@ryanfiocca]

I love these kinds of videos, nice job toast!

[@owennewo14]

I love these informative "what happens next?" videos Toast - such learn, very math!

[@crlarkin95]

love these videos/puzzles!

[@criticalgeek9187]

Toast, not gonna lie, this one was a lot easier than the last one. Love these videos though!

[@Blizziced]

Please do more of these kinds of videos, they are very entertaining.

[@halfLime]

these videos are always a blast to try to figure out

[@aldo1999red]

Love this kind of videos, keep it up!

[@zeos26]

Me smart. Me SMOrc first.

[@MissingInterval]

This was a really informative video, thanks!

[@timur900subscribe]

The real question is why did you have Madam Goya in the top left of the screen?

[@ZergrushEddie]

I'll give you a hint so I can pretend to be Toast: take a good long look at his deck. What does it tell you about the state of the game? And if you just want to know the answer, see below This was Pre-Gadgetzan. Goyo was the card that he revealed, so he put it in the corner so everyone could see it when he streamed.

[@tcoren1]

ZergrushEddie People, first read the comment above me for a cool clue that i will spoil in my comment Was wondering why no reno

[@NexSicarius]

Yes, Modom Goyo, the new concer of Horthstone.

[@timur900subscribe]

Oh, ok, thanks :)

[@NorthWindStudios]

+tcoren1 He doesn't have reno because his whole deck is duplicates

[@Nitroxien]

Love these types of videos keep up the awesome work :)

[@Ficonator20396]

My favourite video type this far, good work keep it going!

[@DenisLyamets]

This puzzle topic is my favorite now! Make some more, pls =)

[@StellarLeader]

I love this kind of videos! I would have playes Farseer to heal up and to test for Snipe, then attack with the Shambler to trigger Explosive and then give up if it wasn't (as Misdirection, Freezing and Bear would screwed me up at that point)

[@oletramekaf5603]

This was very nice to watch!!! Thanks, Toast!!!!!!! ❤️

[@aceOfcraft]

Keep doing these puzzles, Toast, plz!

[@CarlosRuiz510]

lol "I just went YOLO" You're the best

[@Greyyyyyyy_]

This kind of video is just so great, thanks Toast

[@logantykwinski9122]

Love it when you do these type of videos Toast

[@CrokeyHigati]

These were my favorite kinds of things in the Yuigoh games, the single session puzzle win this turn games. I wish Hearthstone would do that at some point.

[@9superslick]

Hey! I just wanted to let you know that there are some interesting things in this tavern brawl if you use certain cards to discard your deck you will get turns where nothing happens at like 1 card and when I used ancient shade to put those curses in my hand I couldn't click anything on my turn. Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to try it out

[@SabreWolf18]

Thank you! keep these coming!

[@weremutt8]

I like these videos you've been making that we have to stop and think about

[@Athanatov]

Please do more of these!

[@ben_clifford]

That was a fun puzzle. I figured out most of it, but not all.

[@yaerius]

greate video! very educational. that kind of vids make us better players.

[@posadcom]

Heal - Tap - Power Overwhelming to 8/8 - Misdirected to Yogg - Concede.

[@lautarodesimone54]

This is the type of video i love to see

[@RichD2024]

I love these videos. Keep it up Toast!

[@ajbrown1708]

I would love more videos like this

[@fungus6637]

toast I was playing tavern brawl the other day and something strange happened. when I played phaendral (sorry if I spelled it wrong) and the animation apeared on wind up burgle bot. pls explain

[@00SLE7EN]

that was a really interesting situation, I liked working through that problem too. I think it would have been a reasonable play though to just play double faceless then pass.

[@danger_technical]

Great quality video. Not a mind blowing revelation, but a great display of probability. Thanks!

[@benjamincoyle5316]

I really enjoyed this kind of puzzle.

[@elhuskyplateado7731]

The answer is always go face

[@freakymundo]

Well, you may have to consider Dart Trap too because you will be able to tap once if you play farseer (without dying from explosive).

[@leoyu1070]

I love this channel, it is so funny as usual!

[@Mahogany2000]

I love these mind games and how you explain them. thanks toast

[@LagiacrusHunter]

I really love this series. I don't play Hearthstone much anymore, but logic puzzles are fun regardless of context.

[@topheresguerra186]

That was fun toast. Do this stuff again

[@Minebricker88]

This video was very entertaining to watch! :D

[@Spahrep]

love the puzzle videos!

[@arturostable4762]

Hi Toast..! This was really good. Thanks for taking the time to do the breakdown, and so detailed at that. Interestingly, the the drop of Farseer resonates strongly as the first go-to due to the fear of losing to Explosive. Your breakdown, was very interesting with respect to the winning conditions, which makes perfect sense as the logic to use in retrospect. However, I think it would also be interesting to explore the loosing conditions also. Obviously, the point of the game is to win, so it makes sense that you considered this as the primary premise. But I think it could also make sense to consider what are the options with regards to ensuring that we survive this turn, and then comparing the winning odds against that of the worst case scenarios. That is, this puzzle was assuming that we were absolutely guaranteed to loose next turn. Under that premise, any chance of getting us through next turn would be ruled out as a loss, regardless of whether we were in a winning position or not. In a sense, the 2-health left might have made this the most relevant situation, though certainly interesting to consider. From the board we are presented and without the knowledge of the opponent's cards in hand or an estimation of that it might be useless to ponder on that, but it was certain that a 100% chance of loss was not present from the board. These additional considerations could, I think have some impact in the final decision as to what was the best play in that specific scenario. Anyways, again, thanks for the cool puzzle!

[@IssacPenn]

I've never thought this seriously when playing Hearthstone, not even close. This video may change how I react to the opponent's move afterwards. Thanks Toast!

[@baluka0wales]

What if you attacked Yog with faceless. It would trigger Freezing and Misdirection (same as going face) but it would also have a chance to trigger Snake trap. If Freezing or Snake trigger you have a 100% chance to win the game, and a 50% chance with misdirection (same as going face). If none of those trigger then the only secrets that would be relevant are Bear, Explosive, and Snipe. No matter what playing around snipe and explosive have the lowest chance of gaining lethal. If it is bear you also don't with with this line. With this line you play around three secrets, lose to two don't ever make sense to play around, and lose to a third that could otherwise be played around. 3/6 secrets played around, with 2/6 that cannot be played around, lose to 1/6 secrets.

[@a13ph0]

1. does snipe kill faceless manipulator before it transforms into 8/8? 2. does faceless onto rested shambler not produce rested copy of it (with "charge")?

[@florianh.6256]

Sooo.. occurance bonusses (arena thingy): Do they apply to Yoggs spellchoice? That also would have a small influence here with 1 trap having a big bonus.

[@osha737]

I absolutely love this type of video.

[@esscate]

6:35 when your paper mask is better at showing emotions than your face

[@DammitSinged]

Would have been funny if it was Hidden Cache.

[@uewbn7]

But this was pre-Gadgetzan.

[@KuroroSama42]

another option... if you earthen first then you can tap. if you draw power overwhelming then that beats bear trap. not very high odds, but it improves the earthen play

[@emmettnewman4777]

these videos are the best. keep it up!

[@ChoijamtsB]

A really good video, Thanks Disguised Toast!

[@itsYAKU]

LOVE THIS NEW CONTENT. PLEASE MAKE MORE OF IT :)

[@vukasinvukobrat]

Make more of these videos plase, i love them.

[@sylyph]

My head Burns looking at that calculations

[@BorisBenjamin97]

6:33 This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!

[@MrKingKeef]

Definitely do more like this

[@IHasTube]

@1:54 Attempt to attack face with Taunty guy. Depending on what happens, play Leroy and clone. Swing with both Leroys.

[@IHasTube]

I got it right but I didn't realize you HAD to swing first.

[@Shianky]

Love your scientific approaches to situations. Here's a question for you: What situation benefits most from playing Yogg and why? There are things like empty board, or full enemy board, or enemy close to lethal, or yourself close to lethal, or fatigue et cetera. I'd love to see if you can find a scientific/odds answer to this one.

[@summermouse4014]

awesome vid keep up the interesting vids man you are awesome

[@ianhorvath2234]

Toast you forgot to account for the two whelps Leeroy summons when he is played in your misdirection explanation.

[@RevvieVeer]

Man this videos are awesome!

[@Vuru]

I think the correct play is leeroy first, shambler attack then faceless so it would minimize losing to misdirection.

[@Midwinter_Snow]

These videos are the best! Do more