Heat Pump Pool Heater Installed!! Better than Gas

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Here are the links to the tools I used for the install as well as a link to the same heat pump we installed! Let us know if you have any questions!! Raypak Heat Pump: amzn.to/3AZG8n4 Pvc pipe cutters: amzn.to/39VCq1G Wire Strippers: amzn.to/3zRWqgo Wire cutters: amzn.to/3B0hx1g

[@thomaspeeno9253]

Just for anybody that takes a minute to look at the comments anytime you hook up a piece of equipment you need to have a disconnect for it there should be a disconnect next to that heat pump next he should have used something called seal type or liquidite and it is a weatherproof conduit with a gray rubber outer layer or it's just a flexible gray rubber conduit

[@rickyruju]

Make sure you bond it if you haven’t already. Also I would put in a disconnect within sight in case it ever needs worked on.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Yes! This… this is the proper way to do it.

[@michaelwas8549]

Agree, Seal tight with a disconnect.

[@WeNeedLights]

Great work!

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Thanks!

[@sixfteightinguy]

I see there's a fan on top, does the heat pump need to be outside? My pool is enclosed with the pump, filter & heater inside corner. The current heater is propane & is vented out the roof but no longer works. Has someone look at it few years ago & probably needs a new motherboard. But during Covid & supply chain issues back then, the part wasn't available. Been using the pool without a heater but really need one. With the price of propane going up & down, was looking into a heat pump heater.

[@gregsexton6544]

What size breakers are needed to operate the pool pump.

[@emc388]

What is the ballpark electrical cost that this unit added to your electrical bill?

[@CourtneyFaulkner-t8z]

Any videos on how to blow out the lines and winterize it?

[@12y3mambo]

I did install a new raypak heat pump today. Here in California 230V not neutral wire needed.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Nice!!! How’d it go? Wasn’t too bad was it?

[@angelae6064]

Juan, I’m also in California…curious how the pump is working. What’s your humidity normally? The pool tech said he doesn’t see many HP in California bc the humidity is too low. Other things I’ve read said they’ll work fine in CA. What are you experiencing?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@burgesselectricllc]

Just a heads up that metal flex needs to be seal tight but amazing job

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Thank you! I appreciate it, I’ll go check it now to make sure.

[@melissaruffler9898]

I purchased this and am ready to install. Is there a particular pool pump I need? I currently have a 1.5 Hp Hayward and sand filter ….pool is a 30 ft round ( 22000 gal water). Thinking ahead…I am going to have it professionally installed first time as I am a chicken to do myself !!!thanks for any advice you can offer.

[@manuelabiague1617]

Located in NJ. Even summers are pretty cool. Will a heat pump help warm an above the ground pool enough to add a couple of weeks of usage this summer?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I think so. Do you have a normal air conditioner or heat pump for your home? If so, the pool heat pump should work to add some time to your summer. Keep in mind it won’t work when it’s super cold, but it will extend your season by a lot for sure. I’m going to do an update on the heat pump here in a few weeks too

[@Chevyflyboy]

So in regard to wiring you said 3 connectors, so is that two hots and a ground so in other words no neutral wire? Thx

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Yep! That’s all you technically need for 240. Although check your local code to ensure it’s correct for your locality

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@fern6468]

Thanks for the review. I just picked up a used one from a friend. You mentioned 3 conductors did you mean 4? At least with mine it’s 240 so figured two hits a ground and neutral

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

3 or 4 is for 240. Now I’m not an electrician so don’t take this as a gospel truth but it did come from an electrician when I talked to him. All you really need for 240 is two hot’s and the ground. You really only need the neutral is if you’re planning on putting a 120 outlet out there as well. It gets kind of complicated as to why, but basically the two hots alternate out of sync from each other, sending electricity back-and-forth between those two hots. With 120 you need a neutral because the hot goes back-and-forth and you need the neutral to send electricity back to the panel. The ground is just for safety with the 240. hopefully that helps

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@johnbultemq8026]

If it used almost no electricity then why did you put it on a 50 amp breaker? 50 is a lot

[@bigjack79]

In rush current on startup is high for heatpumps/hvac units.

[@brianbanks3044]

how would this work in the Northeast???....I usually open the pool in may and close it around Labor day...i have a natural gas heater which works well but it may need replacing this coming spring

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

What are your temperatures like? How cold does it get in the winter vs hot in the summer?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@uakea6679]

Thanks for the video! What schedule type of PVC did you use and how hot does the water get? I thought you would have needed copper or black pvc so it doesn't harm the plastics in pvc? Thanks again!

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Your welcome! Make sure to check out the update video to see how it did over the past year. Bottom line we are very happy with it. I used schedule 40 PVC and the water doesnt get that hot that it causes issues with plastics. It only raises the temp of the water 5-10 degrees on average i would guess. Thats one reason it takes a while to heat up the pool and why you just leave it heating and on every day.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@uakea6679]

@@LaceyFamilyFarm thanks so much!!

[@icthruyou4824]

No disconnect, indoor flex , not liquid tight flex .

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

And?

[@diegomauricioruiz8903]

Good afternoon, I would like to know how I can install it if this pump works with 220v and here in the United States we only have 115 volts.

[@TheGubiatti]

Usa hás 220 , double breaker of 50 amps and wire 6 awg

[@eclauss9749]

What did you do with the earth ground by the water intakes ? If a ground wire is with the high voltage from the panel is it necessary?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

There is a ground back to the panel, but there is also a bonding wire that he grounded between the pump, heater and to a grounding rod that by our panel that powers our pump. That bonding wire is connected to the heat pump heater inside the panel also.

[@markdubose5729]

I'm in the Coachella Valley and it seems you're nearby. Has the heat pump been as efficient as you hoped? Is there a time of year when it doesn't work well?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

The pump worked great! I will say it was only really effective until early October. After that it just took a super long time to heat up and wasn’t worth it. I imagine it will be good again in the March time frame. Which is perfect for us, we just wanted to expand our swimming months from June-august a few months.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@wotenk]

Where did you land the neutral? Just got mine and took a quick peak inside the panel but didn’t see where it would go.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Honestly I can’t remember. Shoot me an email at laceyfamilyfarms at gmail.com and I’ll take a photo for you here when I get home and send it to you.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@kathrynhile4249]

Will this heat pump work for a 20X40 unground with 35,000 gallons? Thank you!

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

It should yes!

[@donvenner6839]

What is the footprint measurement for the Raypak unit in the video? I have a concrete pad already but it looks like it will have to be extended like you have done.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I will check and get back with you. I chose to extend it to give it the necessary airspace behind the heat pump. If it was too close it would not work as well as it should. It was pretty easy to make the little addition.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@sheilah6585]

This is my fifth year with my pool. I want my heat pump cleaned. Can I call a hvac technician? Or...who do I call?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Like you want the coils cleaned?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@cookscorner7602]

Is there a distance max to pool with the pvc to pool and filter ?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I don’t think so, but out of curiosity what’s your setup look like? And how far are you thinking of running it?

[@KenTheJr]

Would you recommend it for cooler areas? We're in winter now, my pool gets down to 50, but we generally like to swim around 80. Is that a reasonable option or am I just dreaming?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Probably but maybe not. Keep in mind that it pulls heat from the sir and puts it into the water. So a colder area might not be ideal foe it

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@JayJay-bt1kr]

GOT THE EXACT SAME HEATER INSTALLED. HOWEVER IT READS LOW PRESS TRIP, PLEASE HELP

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

What kind of pump do you have and is it running when you get that error? In my experience that usually happens when there isn’t enough water getting to the heater. Make sure your pump is on and if it’s variable that your rpm’s are high enough. Also if you have always had this issue since installation make sure your input and output lines are correct. Let me know if this helps or not and I’ll continue to go through my list of things.

[@diegomauricioruiz8903]

Good afternoon, I would like to know how many gallons of water it can heat with this pump. I have a pool that has 23,500 gallons.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Our pool is around 16,000 gallons from the best estimates i have made, and it works pretty well. Depending on where you live, your temperatures and humidity it would probably work. What area do you live in? and what are the temps like in the spring, summer and fall?

[@diegomauricioruiz8903]

@@LaceyFamilyFarm hi i live in boston in. Spring the temperature is 50-60

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

@@diegomauricioruiz8903 perfect. I would think your humidity is probably ideal for this heat pump and worst case it would just take a bit longer to heat, but probably should work perfect in your area.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

@@diegomauricioruiz8903 and I should add, the heat pump WILL work in all areas, it’s just a question of how long it will take to heat your pool. For example in a dry desert in the winter your efficiency is a lot lower than Florida humid and hot weather.

[@rkbewtra]

For you variable speed pool pump, what type of schedule do you us? And does the heat pump shut off by itself if you drop to a lower flow during peak hours?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I use it for 8 hours a day during my low cost time of use on my electricity plan. I will go full power at 3450 rpm for 2 hours and then down to 1600rpm for 6 hours. Now this is my normal pumping for cleaning. I have found it’s gotta be at least 2200rpm to trip the heat pump to turn on. So if I need to heat the pool, I’ll turn up the rpm’s while I’m heating the pool. And yes, the heat pump will automatically shut off if there isn’t enough water flowing through to heat safely and efficiently.

[@rkbewtra]

@@LaceyFamilyFarm thanks so much and great video!

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@apex36]

So eight hours at night work to keep it warm.?

[@apex36]

Why didn't you use a three way valve?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I would have loved to, but there were none available

[@apex36]

@@LaceyFamilyFarmi have a solar coil system and will add this to supplement. I just wonder if in that case I need the bypass valve

[@angelae6064]

Guessing you have a VS pump? What’s the minimum flow required for the heat pump to work?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Yes we are. We actually just got the VS pump about a month ago. I’m not sure of the flow rate exactly but I have found it has to be about 2,300rpm or so for the heat pump to kick on.

[@rkbewtra]

Hi. What model pool pump do you have?

[@angelae6064]

@@LaceyFamilyFarm That helps. Thank you.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@edwardmenendez]

What state are you located in ? I keep getting mixed recommendations from pool heater installs. Some say it will be fine in Arizona and others say I'm wasting money. Thoughts ?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I’m in Apple Valley, California in the high desert. Ours worked great until October ish. And it would work now, it would just take about a week to heat up the pool. I expect in mid March I’ll be able to efficiently use it to heat the pool again. Where in Arizona are you at? We used to live in buckeye and I’m pretty familiar with the state.

[@edwardmenendez]

Oh ok, yea I'm in Scottsdale. I'm trying to decide on biting the bullet and going propane or saving money and going electric.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

@@edwardmenendez obviously I’m not an expert but I think the heat pump would work great in the Phoenix area

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@Citius220]

Great overview - thanks for sharing! For the heater to maintain a specific temperature (say 85 degrees), do you need to leave the pump running 24x7? Or does the daily scheduled window for running the pool pump suffice for heating and maintaining the desired temperature?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

I would say if you’re going to keep it at a decent temperature and not too high, I would just leave it in pool heat mode and it will come on as needed when the pool pump is on in order to keep the temperature. That’s what we do, and if we want it hotter to swim in we just turn it up from there the morning of.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@eric44707]

Do you need to install a sacrificial anode for this?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

You are supposed to have it grounded and bonded. You can connect the bonding wire to your pumps bonding wire. But in all honesty, I'm not an electrician, so be sure to get a properly licensed electrician to ensure its within code for your area.

[@karinasoftball]

Hi, what about the warranty? I heard that if you install it your self the warranty is only 90 days, do you have any information about it?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

That wasn’t on any documentation I saw. Even if they did try and pull that, whose to say you or I am not a ‘professional’. In the end, it’s a really simple install, 240 electrical lines and water in and out. Not much to it.

[@karinasoftball]

@@LaceyFamilyFarm thanks

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@heavenbound5555]

Does this Raypak model have cooling capabilities?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

This particular one does not but they do have models that will if you need it.

[@s3sconstruction793]

Is there a remote control option for this unit?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Unfortunately no. But you can get add on units from other companies that will control it. The unit does have ports in the control board for external control

[@robertoramirez9444]

Did you come up with a No Demand message?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Yes. I get that when the heat pump doesn’t need to heat. For example, if the heat set point is 85 but the pool water is 90 degrees, then technically there is no ‘demand’ for the heat pump and it doesn’t turn on

[@blackhouse7646]

What part of the country do you live in? I live in Memphis and i am debating on getting a Heat Pump. Does this act like a chiller too?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

We live in the high desert of California. It’s in Southern California. If you live in the area where a air conditioner or a heat pump for your house works, then this would work for your pool

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@robertmunoz8039]

Does it heat the pool quickly?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

It takes about 12 hours to heat it 10-15 degrees. So it depends, but in general with how I have it set, I keep it warmed to 85 in the summer and if I want to swim I up it to 90-95 the morning of and it’s ready by early afternoon.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

just an fyi, i just gave an update to heat pump, 1 year later.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfUn5WVqLaCq8k

[@johnmcmullen456]

Just a warning, please be aware that many businesses that sell and install pool heaters refuse to service them if need repairs, even when brand new and should be covered under warranty. Also you are lucky if you get 10 years life out of it. I have the predecessor model to this one, the 8350, and at just 9 years of use under 6 months per year, it no longer produces heat, and I can't find someone to even look at it. Considering the ridiculous replacement cost of the key components anyway, unfortunately the only logical choice then is another $5k + payout for a new one.

[@dsheehan7134]

It’s like an AC unit basically. 9 years is great. If mine lasts 5-7 years I’ll be happy.

[@johnmcmullen456]

@@dsheehan7134 As a followup I did finally find a repairman that replaced a rusted out component that caused the loss of refrigerant. Recharged it and has been working great. Wasn't cheap but IF get a couple more years of service out of it, then worth the cost. I understand the reason why many dealers won't repair the units they install is because it would take another license in certain areas.

[@EatDrinkSmokeBeMerry]

Whats the surface area and gallons of your pool?

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

375 ft surface area and about 15,000 gallons.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

You looking at a heat pump?

[@EatDrinkSmokeBeMerry]

Yes I am. I live in Phoenix valley area and I think it would be a nice addition.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

@@EatDrinkSmokeBeMerry it would be very good in Phoenix because of the climate.

[@LaceyFamilyFarm]

Basically if your air conditioner works well, then a heat pump would work well.