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HEATED DEBATE: Are Jewish People Still Chosen? Dr. Michael Brown vs Gabriel Finochio DEBATE

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Are Jewish People Still Chosen? Dr. Michael Brown vs Gabriel Finochio DEBATE
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@BlessGodStudios
@BlessGodStudios 6 ай бұрын
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@lynncummins8393
@lynncummins8393 6 ай бұрын
Since I endured Gabriel until the end, I must say that Gabriel failed and I am not impressed with his “entertainment “ style. He expressed rudeness, disrespect, and ungodly arrogance.
@niedlife
@niedlife 6 ай бұрын
Hey Ruslan honest question why are you okay with saying hell in the context of “that’s a hell of a question”
@davidbull-wo8vb
@davidbull-wo8vb 6 ай бұрын
Bless God Studios- have you heard of Jason Staples and his exegetical book regarding Israel’s resurrection and regathering?
@josephdiaz2182
@josephdiaz2182 6 ай бұрын
@@niedlife 2:39:01 yeah i wanna know too whatsup with the cussing
@BlessGodStudios
@BlessGodStudios 6 ай бұрын
You guys don’t think I may slip up and say something I shouldn’t after 2 hours of that 🤣🤣🤣
@benjimusic2
@benjimusic2 6 ай бұрын
how did I just get to witness a two hour depiction of Paul’s warning about not becoming arrogant? ROMANS 11:18
@ChrisKuehl-x9v
@ChrisKuehl-x9v 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@waitandsee9345
@waitandsee9345 6 ай бұрын
@@benjimusic2 yes, Israel is still the firtborn.
@TheKeifferr
@TheKeifferr 6 ай бұрын
was gonna comment you covered it perfectly.
@66fredo99
@66fredo99 6 ай бұрын
And avoiding contentiousness, avoiding slander, and living peaceably with all men. Dude was the opposite..this was grievous to watch.
@fastkashgaming3672
@fastkashgaming3672 6 ай бұрын
Lol
@NickDuplantis
@NickDuplantis 6 ай бұрын
This settles it: "'As concerning the gospel, they (Israel) are enemies for your sake, BUT as regarding the ELECTION, they are BELOVED for the sake of the patriarchs. For the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE." (Romans 11:28-29)
@ReverendElation
@ReverendElation 6 ай бұрын
What is the context of that verse? What issue is Paul addressing? (hint: He isn't addressing salvation & he is writing to people who are currently being hunted and murdered by Jews)
@NickDuplantis
@NickDuplantis 6 ай бұрын
@@ReverendElation This is NOT referring to salvation. Doc Brown has stated numerous times in this debate. The whole point is that they are elected by God to be a chosen people. There are certain physical promises given to the nation of Israel by God that are separate than the spiritual promises in Christ. This election is not rereferring to salvation. This is in regards to NATURAL Israel and the physical promises God had given them. This is where the hermeneutics of Doctor Brown and Finocchio diverge. Gabe would argue that all the promises of Israel are spiritual in nature and pointing to Christ. And while the majority of the promises are spiritual and are carried over to the church, there are certain PHYSICAL promises that Yahweh gave to Israel and He will not take back. They are irrevocable. The distinction must be made between the SPIRITUAL promises of the covenant and the PHYSICAL promises. Spiritual promises (such as salvation) are only accessed by faith in Christ - this is universal, both to the Jew and the Gentile.
@ronald556
@ronald556 6 ай бұрын
@@NickDuplantis This settles it: 9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” (Revelation 2:9)
@NickDuplantis
@NickDuplantis 6 ай бұрын
​@@ReverendElation As Doc Brown stated numerous times, but was never allowed to finish because of the obnoxious interruptions, This is not referring to SALVATION. Paul is referring to their physical election as a nation. This is where the hermeneutics of Doc Brown and Finocchio greatly diverge. Gabe interprets all promises in Scripture to be Spiritual in nature - only pointing and fulfilled in Christ. Although for the majority of OT and NT prophecy and promises this is true, there are certain covenant promises that are physical in nature and apply only to the Jewish people. This is the distinction Paul is mentioning here in Scripture. The Jewish people, as a physical nation, are called and elected by God - not to salvation - but to certain physical promises. One of which includes the land of Israel. The spiritual promises of God (such as salvation) can only be accessed by FAITH in Christ Jesus. As far as the physical promises, these are regardless of Israel's obedience. They are irrevocable because the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. Israel is loved simply on the basis that God had chose them to be a unique people group. Unfortunately, because they rejected the gospel, they cannot inherit salvation apart from faith in Christ. This is universal for both Jew and Gentile. This why Paul refers to this as a MYSTERY. I apology for the long winded response.
@ChrisTisking12256
@ChrisTisking12256 6 ай бұрын
“This settles it” Wow crazy no one ever heard of that verse. Pretentious people are their own folly
@ishotthepilot2904
@ishotthepilot2904 6 ай бұрын
Ruslan, i would love to see more debates on this channel. Despite the heated aspect of it, I found that it was still beneficial and I’m glad it was done. A lot to learn from it.
@deborahbraman4667
@deborahbraman4667 5 ай бұрын
@@ishotthepilot2904 I learned a lot from Dr Brown but it became evident very quickly that his opponent is not on the same educational level, so maybe this is not apples and apples. Dr Brown is a recognized expert on this topic. I have never heard of his opponent before and he is obviously much younger. Trying to be nice here.
@ReformedIndeed76
@ReformedIndeed76 4 ай бұрын
@@deborahbraman4667 I have heard better debaters than Gabe F. but his argument was Biblical and sound. Dr. Brown is more eloquent but he is still wrong in his views. There are other debates with Dr. Brown debating this same topic and the better debaters (Steve Gregg, Gary DeMar, etc.) do a much better job making what Gabe was aiming at more clear.
@kay4christ779
@kay4christ779 3 күн бұрын
Gabriel you did an amazing job in this debate! I am so glad to see that God’s true message was taught in this discussion. Most people in this country are not Bible literate, and have been brainwashed by false teachings for too long. God bless you, and for bringing up these Bible verses and passages in the correct context.
@berto2125
@berto2125 26 күн бұрын
This isnt even a debate. Just read your bible. It says it in the bible. Unless you deny the Bible. After the jews denied jesus christ they were no longer chosen. The true chosen people of god is whoever recognizes jesus christ as our lord and savior. The bible says it clearly
@OldNewMama
@OldNewMama 22 күн бұрын
Right? It’s so simple. Plus why would God send Jesus then pick ppl who deny him as his lil favs. Also that makes God a racist if you believe it 😂🤦🏻‍♀️ Utterly foolish.
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
Telling evangelicals and Jewish people that modern Jews aren’t spiritually “special” gets people all kinds of triggered
@VndNvwYvvSvv
@VndNvwYvvSvv 21 күн бұрын
@@Oogahboogah1497 Yep, that's the church alone. Always has been. But Darby, Scofield and Hagee ruined that for us because.... Well I can't even say who or why.
@SeasidePrincess
@SeasidePrincess 19 күн бұрын
⁠@@VndNvwYvvSvv do tell. Who are they? And how did Darby and Schofield ruin what for us? I’m lost.
@VndNvwYvvSvv
@VndNvwYvvSvv 19 күн бұрын
@@SeasidePrincess every time I try to say it or even hint too directly, my comments vanish. The Z word which is an ism, which people try to relate to a country beginning with an 'i'. That z word is the ism that those guys essentially invented as a new theory and hijacked American evangelism with. That i-word is actually fulfilled in Jesus and does NOT refer to a murderous secular terrorist state, but it refers to the church of true believers in Jesus. We know this because the promise that some like Hagee and Scofield and Darby tried to claim is unconditional and eternal, applying to only one people from the OT, and which they claim is unfulfilled, is then written to be completrly fulfilled at least 3 times in OT, in Kings and I want to say Joseph but I'd have to check the citations. Also Psalms (24?) and Deut. clearly say the land is God's. It was on loan, under stewardship, so long as the laws were obeyed. Granted, then lost for that reason, cast out, vanished to wander as punishment (again). Instead, all of the very specific terms that are only used to describe the people of i-word in the OT are then used to describe SPECIFICALLY the choice of Christians, believers in Jesus, and not anyone who rejects him. All rights and prophecies of that word came to apply to the church specifically. Sorry I can't be more direct, but censorship is so bad on here that I can't even list certain chapters and verse! But other people can use any words they want, as long as they're saying the opposite...
@albundy1469
@albundy1469 16 күн бұрын
@@VndNvwYvvSvv rothchilds
@EMMMDs
@EMMMDs 16 күн бұрын
@@Oogahboogah1497 That's NOT why Christians get upset. It's the hijacking, misinterpretation, & denial of what's clearly expressed in the Bible. To simply write it all off & falsely attribute it Darby or "dispensationalism" is lazy & short sighted. If 1 cannot read/study the Word as a whole, then don't do it. It's pointless. Or do u belong to the "let's unhitch ourselves from the OT" ilk?
@DrDavidJockers
@DrDavidJockers 6 ай бұрын
Great discussion but Gabe definitely lost his temper. He should have done his best to get clarity on Dr Brown's position, but instead tried to defend his own presumption of Dr Brown's position and lost his temper when Dr Brown tried to clarify to him his position. So Gabe was partly arguing a strawman and not Dr Brown's actual position.
@mainpost4111
@mainpost4111 6 ай бұрын
Dispensationalists judging an argument separate to its tone challenge: impossible
@Biblehasaleftsidealso
@Biblehasaleftsidealso 6 ай бұрын
Dr Brown claiming not to be a dispensationalist while having every single attribute of a dispensationalist doesn't exactly equate a fair conclusion. Dr Brown's premise is baked into his conclusion sorry.
@dennisconner5919
@dennisconner5919 6 ай бұрын
It’s ok to be wrong Dr Brown..Wrong you are, Spurgeon who you stick up for, et Spurgeon was not a tongue talker.
@bradwhitt6768
@bradwhitt6768 5 ай бұрын
@@Biblehasaleftsidealso dispensationalist is a dirty word to smear those who don't believe in replacement theology. Where most people don't really believe in separate dispensations at all but two things are happening at the same time as God can multitask. He doesn't need to separate things into dispensations.
@rasnodgrass
@rasnodgrass 5 ай бұрын
Garbriel Finochio did a sad disservice to himself and his stance in the debate. I am not familiar with him; perhaps he is just not accustomed to a debate setting. The ultimate faux paus was 'bucking up' to the moderator. That is a huge Nono. You are guests on the moderator's stage. To outright argue with the moderator during a debate is extremely bad form. Even if his position is sound, his behavior severely eroded his stance.
@amessenger3208
@amessenger3208 22 күн бұрын
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him." Romans 10:12
@gabepoirot
@gabepoirot 6 ай бұрын
such a difference in the approach. Wisdom from Dr Michael Brown. Middle school, fortnite attitude from Gabriel.
@thomaszimmerman8682
@thomaszimmerman8682 6 ай бұрын
I was more respectful in the MW2 Xbox live lobby when I was 12 than Gabe was in this debate.
@ChrisCarrasquillo-ic7db
@ChrisCarrasquillo-ic7db 6 ай бұрын
bro 🤣
@diegomora7608
@diegomora7608 6 ай бұрын
Lol 😂
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
You probably think Jesus is offensive as well
@thomaszimmerman8682
@thomaszimmerman8682 6 ай бұрын
Oh boy you really got me
@Mathetesofscripture
@Mathetesofscripture 6 ай бұрын
Ad hominem just like Doc Brown. Yikes.
@roze8175
@roze8175 6 ай бұрын
Gabe, James 1:19 “ Swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger.” Chill out dawg
@KingdomCapture
@KingdomCapture 6 ай бұрын
@@roze8175 Gabe was angry before he even said a word you can see it in his face and demeanor that he was going to be closed minded and not willing to listen nor be attentive to the actual facts from the word. Weird seems a bit much like a Pharisee would behave. When the word is in your face and you still refuse to acknowledge the word which is the TRUTH you’re completely lost in pride ignorance and anger
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
You are missing the point of a debate. What do you think the command "shrewd as a serpent" means?
@roze8175
@roze8175 6 ай бұрын
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 shrewd don’t mean rude or the behavior he displayed, chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry or saying I like being provocative, if that’s being shrewd I guess I got the wrong definition, if anything he was the opposite of shrewd and showed how new to this he is…….
@danielkim672
@danielkim672 6 ай бұрын
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 Shrewd does not mean lacking in Spirit of Gentleness between brothers in Christ.
@dco8886
@dco8886 6 ай бұрын
@@roze8175 have you know of Gabe before this debate? All your comments come off just as defending your favorite theologian that can do no wrong. Gabe was super chill until Dr. Brown started with the calling names lol 🤦🏻‍♀️ ya’ll acting as if Dr. Brown was not also being passionate and talking over Gabe interestingly not being stopped by Ruslan…
@SSMM-gd2cq
@SSMM-gd2cq Ай бұрын
its pretty clear that followers of Christ are the chosen - do the math, Jews reject Christ with prejudice - not difficult to figure out
@AJ_708
@AJ_708 6 ай бұрын
When your opponent resorts to name calling, and misrepresenting your position, you have clearly won.
@thomasrivera9354
@thomasrivera9354 6 ай бұрын
Ad hominem fallacy
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
Who was name calling and can you point to time stamp?
@thomasrivera9354
@thomasrivera9354 6 ай бұрын
@@MsAchiless he compared dr brown with the prophets of Baal.
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
@@thomasrivera9354 no he didn’t. Watch it again, Gabe was attacking his position. And even refused that claim from Brown. It was brown who was resorting to personal attacks and called him a liar because he “misrepresented his position”. That’s bad faith argumentation. You don’t assume intent, you at least ask a question to confirm it. Brown accused Gabe of everything that he himself was doing.
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
@@thomasrivera9354 check time stamp 56:18 and tell me where did he call him what your are claiming. Even better, read the transcript from that time stamp.
@TroyBlack
@TroyBlack 6 ай бұрын
I have a greater level of respect for Dr. Michael Brown after this. Ruslan as well. Great job mediating during the rough spots.
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
Because you fell for Brown’s “cheap tactics” he accuses Gabe from doing. Gabe got irritated but rightly so, Brown is far from graceful. So many are deceived by his tone of voice and facial expression they don’t even notice his words…straw manning and vicious personal attacks he started as soon as his 12min rebuttal started.
@EMMMDs
@EMMMDs Ай бұрын
​@@MsAchilessWhat? What did u watch? Agreeing w/ his position doesn't it make it right. This guy completely attacked Dr.Brown from jump.
@victoriamorgan8408
@victoriamorgan8408 Ай бұрын
@@TroyBlack Dr. Brown just got caught in sexual sin. You can respect him. He’s ALWAYS WRONG THOUGH. 😮
@albundy1469
@albundy1469 16 күн бұрын
your a dork
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad Ай бұрын
If the Jews are God’s chosen people why did Brown convert to Christ? Oh, to be saved… debate solved.
@Gtvsoopivgt
@Gtvsoopivgt 21 күн бұрын
The same reason Saul of Tarsus converted to Christ.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 21 күн бұрын
@ exactly. The Jews were a branch broken off. And the gentiles were grafted in.
@DavePellowe
@DavePellowe 6 ай бұрын
One of these guys was sober, sincere & civil. The other manifested his awe of his opponent & justified insecurity in bombastic rudeness & childish petulance.
@RealNomadicus
@RealNomadicus 6 ай бұрын
🤔🧐 hmmmm
@JacobKuchkov
@JacobKuchkov 6 ай бұрын
This is a straight up Shakespearian explanation. Cheers
@innalogvis2636
@innalogvis2636 6 ай бұрын
💯 agreed 😬
@AprilCunningham
@AprilCunningham 6 ай бұрын
It was the sneering and looks of disgust that from Gabe that turned me off……..
@TheAhull15
@TheAhull15 6 ай бұрын
That doesn’t make him wrong though
@michelleblomqvist1365
@michelleblomqvist1365 6 ай бұрын
Ruslan, Ive followed both of these men a while. I thought you Did a phenominal job with mediating this conversation. Appreciate your calmness and even your own clarity. Bless you.
@Neversellinout
@Neversellinout 6 ай бұрын
This ⏫
@nicolasdol2920
@nicolasdol2920 6 ай бұрын
He did not stay as a moderator what do you mean he was so one sided his friend was dr Michael brown it’s clear as day how can you praise him???
@DustinBarker
@DustinBarker 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@mstru79
@mstru79 6 ай бұрын
@@nicolasdol2920 I'm right there with you, as Ruslan usually does a much better job? Touchy subject & Zionists practically manifest, no offense if you don't completely agree with them... Israel is 70% atheist, 25%+🏳️‍🌈 Is the 🏳️‍🌈 CAPITAL of the world, and statistically the gRape capital of the East. These are rational concerns & the ELECT/Christians are being deceived/played Get educated AND stay neutral😬
@drsteve07
@drsteve07 6 ай бұрын
Keep hosting debates, they’re important. Thanks!
@clayw70
@clayw70 6 ай бұрын
I think the main difference is how people view the word chosen/election. Being chosen/elect does not necessarily mean that the person is saved. The Jewish people are elect, but they are only saved if they have faith in Jesus. This is consistent from the Old Testament when the Jewish people fell into idolatry. They were still chosen but not saved.
@Alex.Kalashnik
@Alex.Kalashnik 6 ай бұрын
Yes, you got it exactly right!
@sohloh32gaming92
@sohloh32gaming92 6 ай бұрын
I've been reading Romans and this point is expressed on Romans 10. I believe the answer to the entire debate is in Romans chapter 9 through 11
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
What does chosen mean then? If chosen doesn’t grant entry to God’s Kingdom which saved gentiles can enter, what is “being chosen” about?
@clayw70
@clayw70 6 ай бұрын
@MsAchiless This is somewhat of a nuanced subject, but I will try to answer your question as concisely as possible. I also want to preface by saying that this topic does touch other theological issues that can affect the conclusions a person makes on this topic. To explain what being chosen means, it’s best to start in the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 7:6-9, along with other OT passages, the Israelites are called God’s chosen (elect) people. They were chosen by God, but this did not automatically mean that they were saved. The Israelites had to remain faithful to God in order to be saved. Throughout the OT, there are numerous examples of the Israelites falling into idolatry, and those that took part in idolatry were not saved. Nonetheless, they were elect even though they fell into idolatry. What we learn about election from the OT is that those who are saved are elect, but not all of the elect are saved. Another observation is that what made Israel special from the other nations was the knowledge of the one true God. In Romans 3:2, Paul makes this point as he describes the Jews as being entrusted with the oracles of God. God tasked the Israelites with being “the shining city on a hill” in order to draw the Gentile nations towards Him. The Jews alone had the knowledge of God, and therefore, are chosen because the path of salvation had been revealed to them. A quick note, a Gentile could be saved by putting their faith in God in the OT. God did not limit salvation to the Jews alone. In the New Testament, we see the same consistent message concerning election. There are many passages that reflect the chosen as being saved. However, there are also passages that distinguish election from salvation. In Matthew 24:24, Jesus mentions that in the end times there will be false christs and prophets who will try to deceive people, including the elect. The chosen people who are deceived would not be saved given the context of the passage. 2 Timothy 2:10 is another verse that distinguishes election from salvation. Paul writes that he endures everything for the elect, so that they may obtain salvation. There are various interpretations of this verse, but what is undeniable is that election and salvation are not the same thing in this verse. In Romans 11:28-29, Paul calls the unbelieving Jews elect. The Jews remain elect, but they are not saved because of their unbelief in Jesus. In verses 13-24 of the chapter, Paul describes how the Jews were cut off because of their unbelief, and the Gentiles were grafted in because of their faith/belief. The Gentiles are also now chosen because the knowledge and kingdom of God is not just limited to national Israel. The Gospel is for the world. However, being chosen and having the knowledge of Christ does not necessarily mean that you have salvation. Paul warns that if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare the Gentiles who fall into unbelief. To sum up, being chosen is about having the knowledge of God. That knowledge is the path to salvation. Nevertheless, a person can have that knowledge and make a choice to not follow the Lord. The Jews today are still elect as promised by God. They have the knowledge of God and have had the path of salvation revealed to them. Once again though, only the Jews who put their faith in Jesus are saved. A passage that puts all of these concepts together is 2 Peter 1:3-11. God bless!
@MsAchiless
@MsAchiless 6 ай бұрын
@@clayw70 Thank you for taking time to respond. This is very clear. God bless!
@louispick2668
@louispick2668 Ай бұрын
Even though Gabe’s demeanor and lack of self control is evident, he is absolutely right concerning the church father’s teaching replacement theology. I’ve read every church father pre-nicene and they pretty much unanimously teach replacement theology. And Gabe was also right that they call out people they believe to teach something that’s not consistent with what the apostles taught by name and explain why. So if people were thinking that what countless people were teaching concerning replacement theology, someone would’ve called them out by name as heretical teachers. But you don’t see them refuting that teaching. Dr. Brown quoted Justin Martyr as not teaching replacement theology and he absolutely did. Just read chapters 130-142 Dialogue With Trypho and you’ll clearly see he believed that. Also, people who hold to all of Israel being saved clearly doesn’t apply to all of Israel being saved because they also get that concept from the OT , so in Zachariah and Ezekiel it says that 1/3 will die by the sword and 1/3 will die by plague, so only 1/3 of all of Israel will be saved. So all in Romans 11 isn’t referring to every National Israelite. And it did seem like the it was 2 against 1. The moderator should just navigate through the debate without taking a side. That’s not the job of a moderator. I’ll give you an example. Everyone knows Vocab Malone is one of the biggest apologists against the Hebrew Israelite movement, but when he hosted the debate between Dr. Brown and GRLA Hebrew, he never once interjected his own opinion or thoughts in the debate.
@MarkelMathurin
@MarkelMathurin 26 күн бұрын
The church fathers are not infallible, their opinions are irrelevant of they contradict prophets and apostles
@louispick2668
@louispick2668 26 күн бұрын
@@MarkelMathurin So you don’t think church fathers are relevant? Especially the ones who we know were direct disciples of the apostles who wrote the New Testament ? I would wholeheartedly disagree with you. I think as time went on you have people teaching all sorts of crazy doctrines that don’t line up with what the early church teaches. (Pre-trib rapture being one of them) Anytime for instance a Mormon or a Jehovah witness comes to my door and I want to show them that what they’re teaching also is not historical, I take them back to the Early church. I show them very clearly from the early church writings that Jesus was considered to be equal with God that Jesus was born of a virgin, etc., etc.. and if you do take the time to actually read through the writings of the Early church, you’ll actually see that Gabe is 100% telling the truth what they all believed concerning God‘s future plan for Israel, and how they did believe that the church superseded Israel with the promises. which was not the way that Dr. Brown is stating
@shawnvandop
@shawnvandop 6 ай бұрын
If this debate was about being "provocative", then Gabe won. He proved that when you can't defend your view you attack the person. I can appreciate Gabes forthrightness but tonight he showed his inability to be gracious and lost his message in his juvenile behavior and approach. Well done, Dr. Brown. You modeled grace, wisdom, and spiritual maturity while demonstrating a firm grasp on your perspective on this topic. Thanks, Ruslan, for hosting this debate.
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
Gabe never attacked Dr. Brown. In a debate setting the whole point is to attack the other persons views. If anything Dr. Brown attacked Gabe personally.
@NicholasLove-vc5qq
@NicholasLove-vc5qq 6 ай бұрын
I'd like to point out that Brown began the attack, and continued throughout while also playing the victim.
@Mathetesofscripture
@Mathetesofscripture 6 ай бұрын
Brown compared Gabe to Nazis and a persecutor of Jews, then reviled Gabe as a liar when Gabe compared Brown's theology to Baal worship. Brown repeatedly misrwpresented Gabe as a replacement theologian but reviled Gabe as unethical when he misrepresented Browns position also. Brown also lied when he said he didn't know how Gabe was using the word heretic, because Brown accused Gabe of claiming that Brown was going to hell. Ruslan also used the title 'Dr.. Brown' to steel man Brown's position and even defended Brown when when was in hot water.
@danielkim672
@danielkim672 6 ай бұрын
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 There can be attacks in debates but as brothers in Christ, we should do it in a Spirit of Gentleness.
@michaelelkohen
@michaelelkohen 6 ай бұрын
@@Mathetesofscripture He didn't misrepresent Gabe as a replacement theologian, he is a replacement theologian. What he presented is classic replacement theology. N.T. Wright spent like a thousand pages in The New Testament and the People of God detailing this. Brown also didn't compare Gabe to the Nazis he said the theological viewpoint that Gabe put forth was what the Nazis used as a moral justification. Again that is a 100% accurate statement. Gabe basically restated the arguments of Friederich Deilitzch, known as Hitler's theologian. Theology is not just academic. We must look at its fruit, and that was what Dr. Brown was pointing out. The Fruit of the theological perspective that Gabe is putting forth has been over 1000yrs of persecution.
@tinaward1023
@tinaward1023 3 ай бұрын
Why is neither of them even mentioning the actual history of Israel?! 🤔 Not mentioning the actual history already been fulfilled from the OT. God punished Israel several times, but promised, thru the prophet's,to leave a remnant and rebuild the nation and/or the temple.... and HE DID‼️ BUT after 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.... all the old ways of Judaism was gone forever! Christ is king, and only those who follow him at apart of his kingdom., His people
@felipe_valerio
@felipe_valerio 3 ай бұрын
I guess it's hard to make a full point when the other debater starts acting like a bully and the "mediator" starts defending him lol but Gabriel did mention the promisses for the Jews are already fulfilled.
@crazycatgirlie
@crazycatgirlie 3 ай бұрын
Amen!!!
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei 2 ай бұрын
Galatians 3:16,29 says this exactly. Christians inherit Israel and all promises to Abraham not Jews.
@CDubODoubleZ
@CDubODoubleZ 6 ай бұрын
The pride, arrogance, and childishness that is exemplified in Gabriel is truly embarrassing to watch. The fruit of the Spirit was non-existent in his speech. It seemed as though he had no control of his own tongue and refused to have any humility when he was caught in clearly misrepresenting Dr. Browns position.
@DustinBarker
@DustinBarker 6 ай бұрын
Sadly yes
@derickjelley7030
@derickjelley7030 6 ай бұрын
If you don’t see that attitude issue on both sides, you’re not seeing clearly
@CDubODoubleZ
@CDubODoubleZ 6 ай бұрын
@derickjelley7030 there is a difference in having an attitude of seriousness and conviction that your view is correct and theirs in wrong or defending yourself against being misrepresented versus an attitude of disrespect, loss of self control in speech, and lack of any humility. If there is something I missed that Dr. Brown did that was sinful and lacking the Spirit, I appoligize for missing it. But it was unending on the side of Gabriel and rather embarrassing.
@derickjelley7030
@derickjelley7030 6 ай бұрын
@@CDubODoubleZ Dr. Brown is more eloquent and has a better mastery of language, but if you pay careful attention, you find his words were every bit as belittling, personal, and pointed. Honestly Dr. Brown came across to me as highly emotional as well (defenders of Israel often are for some reason). I don’t think either party comported themselves well, and it is worth noting that Dr. Brown first tried to associate his opponent with Nazis before things got out of hand. It’s a debate rife with logical fallacies on both sides, and overall I don’t think it advanced anyone’s understanding or thinking on the subject.
@bitterclinger8964
@bitterclinger8964 6 ай бұрын
This is just tone-policing.
@jeffboles2470
@jeffboles2470 6 ай бұрын
I understand Gabe’s point about the duality when Dr Brown says some are “chosen” by God thru Jesus, yet others (even if the reject Jesus) are “chosen” because of their genealogical heritage. Sure seems problematic to me. Besides, if you can be “chosen” and blessed and preferred, but go to hell, why does it even matter?
@thepracticalinvestor2386
@thepracticalinvestor2386 6 ай бұрын
Dr Brown says he doesn’t hold to dispensationalism but that’s literally a dispensational belief that some are chosen by blood and others are by faith
@jeffboles2470
@jeffboles2470 6 ай бұрын
@@thepracticalinvestor2386 sure and there’s a reason Dr Brown’s emphasis on church fathers and church history was brief and he avoided it in later discussions saying their line of reasoning led to horrible anti-semitism. The early church is largely understood to disagree with his view that modern Jews are chosen and set apart by God. But even if his point is fair, just because some bad actors held a particular position does not mean the position was wrong, it just means the actors were. The bottom line to me is that God is no-respector of persons. The plan from the start was the redemption of all of mankind thru the man Jesus. The Jews were part of that plan because Abraham and his lineage after him largely kept their faith in God. For as many generations as did not they died apart from God. The heart of the gospel for the entire world according to John 3:16 is that salvation is for WHOSOEVER would believe. It was kist made available to the Jews first. God is not a racist.
@invisiblepodcast.
@invisiblepodcast. 3 ай бұрын
i know gabe lost himself a little but is understandable when is two vs one
@saucyjk6453
@saucyjk6453 Ай бұрын
Yep, two fund d by the Israeli lobby to keep pedalling propaganda and misrepresentation of scripture vs gabe
@bygraceonly182
@bygraceonly182 6 ай бұрын
Doc Brown isn’t my cup of tea on so many topics but he knocked it out of the park on this one. The Word stands. Good job! 👍
@robbieelliot9491
@robbieelliot9491 6 ай бұрын
In a few sentences, what case was he making? In a nutshell. I found it confusing.
@UNCömmønSənse
@UNCömmønSənse 6 ай бұрын
​@@robbieelliot9491 The case that all the church fathers AND the Bible is wrong and Dr Brown is correct🙄
@Biblehasaleftsidealso
@Biblehasaleftsidealso 6 ай бұрын
​@@UNCömmønSənse It's not replacement theology, its fulfillment theology we're assimilating in the religion that they're supposed to be a part of. Robotic Judaism started a 200 to 500 years AFTER Christ. Jews are about a saved as a Mormon, one cannot make up a religion not be a cult.
@USSteelMain
@USSteelMain 6 ай бұрын
@bygraceonly182 How?? Half of Browns opening was an appeal to authority fallacy. He didn't give scholars arguments, he gave scholars who agreed on one point! How did he knock it out the park?? There aren't two covenants. There is one. Abraham's seed is the church
@gerard4870
@gerard4870 6 ай бұрын
@@Biblehasaleftsidealso they aren't saved at all, yet, for the most part. But they will be. Amos 9, zeph. 3, zech 12-14
@lancecrisostomo4718
@lancecrisostomo4718 6 ай бұрын
Gabes demeanor grieves me. We won't make any progress toward unity if we treat each other like this. May God have mercy on us all.
@Mikeandleah
@Mikeandleah 6 ай бұрын
10000%
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
You probably would have been grieved hanging out with Jesus as well. "Does this offend you" - Jesus.
@TheRevering
@TheRevering 6 ай бұрын
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 Nonsense, nice try to make the two comparable in any way.... yikes
@jarednon3426
@jarednon3426 6 ай бұрын
Dr. Brown gives off the demeanor and rhetoric of a seasoned evangelist, scholar, and teacher. Gabe gave off the demeanor and rhetoric of a scholar who is prepared to be challenged, but not used to being challenged.
@bubbag8895
@bubbag8895 6 ай бұрын
Id say both had an irritated demeanor
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
“Dual-covenant theology is unique in holding that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews while the New Covenant only applies to non-Jews or gentiles.” So much for Ruslan’s fact checking. 2 v 1 and Gabe still won.
@MarkelMathurin
@MarkelMathurin 26 күн бұрын
False
@MarkelMathurin
@MarkelMathurin 26 күн бұрын
Jesus did not come to abolish the law
@ServantofTruth0920
@ServantofTruth0920 6 ай бұрын
Gabe conducted himself with about as much class as Cardi B.
@kalvinflowers6178
@kalvinflowers6178 5 ай бұрын
Why do I read the comment while watching debates! 😂😂😂
@fokana1
@fokana1 4 ай бұрын
"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said....By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." - Hebrews 8
@Kevincollins1990
@Kevincollins1990 6 ай бұрын
Young man has a deeper problem than this debate...
@MrJonathanRace
@MrJonathanRace 6 ай бұрын
Gabe chose the way of Barrabas with his attacks😅. Doctor demonstrated the way of Christ with His Charity and Demeanor. Gabe wanted to win the argument, he had no interest in convincing or persuading His opponent or the audience and managed to accomplish neither.
@66fredo99
@66fredo99 6 ай бұрын
Dude lost his verbal restraint and still got beat..he even had to concede Dr. Brown's principal point albeit backhandedly. Biblically, he was contentious and unwilling to be at peace throughout this debate. Repent, bro!
@Kevincollins1990
@Kevincollins1990 6 ай бұрын
@@66fredo99 we gotta stick together family!
@Lambdamale.
@Lambdamale. 6 ай бұрын
It's a common problem with the internet age. Young people have absolutely 0 respect for anyone.
@EkonRekon
@EkonRekon 5 ай бұрын
Yeah the moderator is a shabbos fool
@dizzydisciple
@dizzydisciple 6 ай бұрын
That was a wild ride that left me with a lot to think about. Genuinely.
@ryanovik8080
@ryanovik8080 6 ай бұрын
Ruslan, I love debates and am happy to see you hosting things like this. One thing that I think would be enormously helpful moving forward is to either stick to a strict debate format or just have a discussion where you help make sure it says civil. This debate was a weird mixture of both and I think that contributed to the confusion. When it is a strict format is absolutely clear who is meant to be speaking and who is interrupting. For instance when you stepped in to correct Gabe on Dr. Brown’s position on dual covenant theology. This would have been perfectly appropriate in a discussion that you are moderating. But in a structured debate it’s not good to weigh in on an issue that is directly relevant to a speakers position. Also in a discussion/dialogue you have more latitude to discuss more topics like it seemed you wanted to. It’s simple to ask further questions such as “whats your opinion of the reformation?” Whereas in a debate a person should really only need to speak on the resolution being debated. Anyway this is just my opinion and I enjoy your content, God bless!
@TravelingGhost
@TravelingGhost 5 ай бұрын
Appreciate this comment. I was about to say something similar. Now I don't have to.
@AgeOfNefarious_Deception
@AgeOfNefarious_Deception 24 күн бұрын
Only when they choose Jesus Christ as their Messiah, Lord and Savior. Love your neighbor as yourself.
@JOELOVESJESUSALOT
@JOELOVESJESUSALOT 4 ай бұрын
Gabe seems very confused about what this debate was actually about… Dr. Brown won this 100%
@mikepeterson4248
@mikepeterson4248 Ай бұрын
Allways victims, the "persecution" of Jews, is their behaviour.
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei 3 ай бұрын
Christians are the chosen Galatians 3:16,29
@Joslinmeister
@Joslinmeister 6 ай бұрын
I'm embarrassed to have listened to Gabe yell instead of respond to questions.
@davidspalding1195
@davidspalding1195 6 ай бұрын
Gabe is a child in a man’s body. The way he reacts when he has to sit through rebuttals is revealing. He looks so uncomfortable having to actually listen to people.
@George-z3i
@George-z3i 6 ай бұрын
I like how everyone here is focused on Gabe's tone, but are unable to say anything against his theology If you judge a debate only on how nice they are then you are a sheltered child.
@Iamjamjam44
@Iamjamjam44 6 ай бұрын
This👏🏼
@GabeGarsia
@GabeGarsia 6 ай бұрын
Not sure tbh is makes one a sheltered child. I think you can condemn a debate between believers by how they embody integrity and biblical values. I think it would be foolish to say someone “won” based on just who was nicer, so I agree there, but you can still judge Gabe’s attitude and behavior.
@italiabosh
@italiabosh 6 ай бұрын
@@George-z3i His theology is ignorant clearly against Dr brown's and it clearly shows he doesn't understand the old testament prophecies and phrases regarding israel and when jesus comes back.
@Bolagh
@Bolagh 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. EXACTLY 👍
@alexvolosin3562
@alexvolosin3562 6 ай бұрын
@@italiabosh 😂
@krufty47
@krufty47 6 ай бұрын
How can someone be so arrogant and annoying for 2+ hours when the guy he is debating is being completely calm and collected. Kept waiting for bro to run out of steam but he's just committed to acting like a child and fighting. Gabe appears spiritually sick.
@Shardalon
@Shardalon 6 ай бұрын
IDK man Dr. Brown was a bit heated about being called a dual covenant guy. Understandably so, and he was mature, but he was blasting him a bit.
@krufty47
@krufty47 6 ай бұрын
@@Shardalon he was a saint, comparably
@Mathetesofscripture
@Mathetesofscripture 6 ай бұрын
Brown was about as bad as Gabe to be honest. Brown compared Gabe to Nazis and a persecutor of Jews, then reviled Gabe as a liar when Gabe compared Brown's theology to Baal worship. Brown repeatedly misrwpresented Gabe as a replacement theologian but reviled Gabe as unethical when he misrepresented Browns position also. Brown also lied when he said he didn't know how Gabe was using the word heretic, because Brown accused Gabe of claiming that Brown was going to hell. Ruslan also used the title Dr. Brown to steel man Brown's position and even defended Brown when when was in hot water. Frankly both sides were terribly dishonest. Brown is a racist, and Gabe is immature. They both actually agree, but Brown wants Christians to treat sinful jews better than sinful gentiles. Israel will likely belong to both sides in the end as a mixed multitude. But who knows? These two clearly do not.
@krufty47
@krufty47 6 ай бұрын
@@Mathetesofscripture Brown wasnt perfect by any means but lets be honest, he was reacting to a very hostile Gabe, who thought it was funny to just "be provocative". Under those circumstances i thought brown did fine. and as far as the debate itself goes, I dont really have a dog in the fight and i think they both have decent arguments
@Mathetesofscripture
@Mathetesofscripture 6 ай бұрын
@krufty47 I agree that he was reacting. Gabe's prideful opening statement really set the tone. I just want people to see that both sides need to mature spiritually
@ChuckEldon
@ChuckEldon 6 ай бұрын
It would have been beneficial to outline what each other's definition meant before the debate or in the opening argument. I do feel there was talking over and under each other. I will admit Gabe's behavior was poor-sad to see. I understood what both sides were saying but really think these 2 werent even arguing on the same understanding of each others definitions. Gabe's definition of chosen appears to mean salvation While Dr. Brown's definition appears to mean "chosen to be used as some tool for the future" Both definitions are true in themselves but theyre not even arguing on the same matter
@cmuse
@cmuse 6 ай бұрын
Gabe got flustered and did not handle it well, but Dr. Brown started the maliciousness at 1:08:10 when he broke the otherwise courteous debate format to accuse Gabe of “dishonestly” debating by not conducting a proper rebuttal? Very weird accusation and very rude. Further, Ruslan did not moderate well and his correction of Gabe about dual covenant theology was out of line. After that, he clearly favored Dr. Brown. Despite Dr. Brown’s claims, his argument does invent two covenants. If there were only one covenant his case falls apart.
@KymberatheGardener
@KymberatheGardener 6 ай бұрын
💯
@Gummy195
@Gummy195 6 ай бұрын
I was literally stunned when that happened. I wasn’t aware of who Gabe was before this, but many in the comment section were saying this was his first debate. Dude. Imagine being him for a second. You’re up against a renowned biblical scholar and he derails the conversion by an accusation of gross ethical violation against you, immediately proceeded by a notably smug and sarcastic accusation of lying??? No wonder Gabe was flustered. Moreover, the moderator was clearly biased from that point on, perhaps because he bought into Dr. Brown’s accusations at face value? If you go back to Dr. Brown’s own rebuttal period, you can clearly find inflammatory comments against Gabe and his positions… the difference is that his refined rhetoric makes these fly under the average viewer’s radar. But Gabe’s right, Dr. Brown directly accusing him of lying is a bad faith argument. It didn’t seem like Gabe was deliberately “lying” about Dr. Brown.
@drsteve07
@drsteve07 6 ай бұрын
What a poor showing from Gabe. I can’t imagine Ruslan rebooking him for anything
@EkonRekon
@EkonRekon 5 ай бұрын
Nah, Gabe won if you were listening
@native00
@native00 2 ай бұрын
@@EkonRekongabe won to the biblically illiterate
@xUncleA123x
@xUncleA123x 6 ай бұрын
Gabriel Finochio was so out of line with Dr. Brown (and Ruslan). I honestly cannot believe how much patience Dr. Brown has because I 100% would have rage quit that debate with the way Gabriel lied and then played dumb about it. God bless you Dr. Brown and may the Lord give me that amount of patience with people like that.
@chriswrightcook
@chriswrightcook 6 ай бұрын
@BlessGodStudios Would love to see this topic revisited and debated again between Dr Brown and an actual scholar who’s mature enough to disagree but act with respect instead of yelling “Jerry, Jerry” in the middle of a debate.
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
Doctor Brown has done many of those. This was better and unique because it had "Jerry, Jerry" type humor throughout.
@chriswrightcook
@chriswrightcook 6 ай бұрын
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 I don’t know if better is the right word, entertaining sure 🤣 but in a kind of way you look back and realize man, that kind of attitude in a serious debate is disrespectful
@chriswrightcook
@chriswrightcook 6 ай бұрын
@@tinas7909 not in this debate he wasn’t
@tinas7909
@tinas7909 6 ай бұрын
@@chriswrightcook very true! I was actually shocked by Gabe’s statement on the Reformation! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️
@chriswrightcook
@chriswrightcook 6 ай бұрын
@@tinas7909 I agree with Gabe on the Reformation for the most part 🤣 I was more speaking to his attitude and character.
@gideondavid30
@gideondavid30 6 ай бұрын
I am so tired of the antisemitism card being pulled in this debate topic. 1. It doesn't matter if Gabriel's position leads to antisemitism. What matters if it is true or not. 2. Gabriel's position is not antisemitic. How it was interpreted throughout history is the fault of bad faith actors not the doctrine itself.
@beholden1663
@beholden1663 6 ай бұрын
I agree but I think as Dr Brown mentioned replacement theology though not anti semitic in itself was a trailhead in some Anti Semitic beliefs throughout the early church, The Middle Ages, and even during Nazi Germany.
@gideondavid30
@gideondavid30 6 ай бұрын
​@beholden1663 Yes but it is irrelevant. I can understand if there were doctrines that encouraged the active persecution if Jews by Christians. Replacement Theology, however, does nor tell Christians what to do with ethnic Jews. It is simply irrelevant to the debate topic l.
@glasseyes5844
@glasseyes5844 6 ай бұрын
It does matter, "church" tradition cannot lead to murder and death if it is true.
@dco8886
@dco8886 6 ай бұрын
@@beholden1663 um that’s exactly why he wrote the last sentence lol
@jesusthesavior-xy5ln
@jesusthesavior-xy5ln 6 ай бұрын
Just believe in Jesus Christ. You will be enlightened. Europeans christians( catholics, then protestant) wronged the Jews by promoting pogroms against the Jews.Forgive thier ignorance.
@quintonowens8614
@quintonowens8614 6 ай бұрын
I've never heard either of these gentlemen before but this debate got out of hand and it is Ruslan's fault. Gabe was being fairly reasonable before Ruslan put his finger on the scale and interjected himself. Gabe obviously got defensive after that, and Ruslan (who was obviously biased here) continued to make it a 2 v. 1 situation and the temperature continued to rise. I still don't know where I stand on this issue after this debate because Dr. Brown's stance is confused (I agree with Gabe), however Dr. Brown also points to convincing scripture.
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
Great objectivity 👌
@ReformedIndeed76
@ReformedIndeed76 4 ай бұрын
What does Dr. Brown mean when he says the Jews are called to service? In their lost condition? What??? How can anyone serve God when unsaved?
@Gangster2God
@Gangster2God 5 ай бұрын
wow. This was the worst debate ever..... Dr. Brown was A to Z uniform and scriptural. The other guy contradicts himself over and over again, before he even finishes a full statement. This is why you should respect elderly over the younger generation.
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei 3 ай бұрын
Christians are the chosen Galatians 3:16,29
@jameslevitt7313
@jameslevitt7313 3 ай бұрын
Dr brown was unable to answer , the parable of the vineyard and j@ws being cast out of the vineyard 🦗🦗🦗
@jameslevitt7313
@jameslevitt7313 Ай бұрын
@@Gangster2God so we should respect the opinions of the church fathers over the new age messianic movement ! Any fool can quote the bible out of context …. You cannot claim Jews are God chosen people unless there is a covenant in tact …. And you now have to deny the covenant Christ has with the church or admit “ dual covenant theology “ 👎
@jesscam007
@jesscam007 28 күн бұрын
I thought the same, an unnecessary debate of Biblical foundation from Dr Brown vs senseless/faulty/stubborn misunderstanding with poor manners , and then I read these comments! Perhaps so many need exposure of basic biblical-rooted truth.
@Cat-stros
@Cat-stros 6 ай бұрын
Gabe is arrogant and ignorant. Definitely not a good debater!! Ruslan should not be making light of the fact that Gabe is an “entertainer” when he was supposed to be having a sensible debate. He needs no encouragement to be such a horrible representative for the fruit of the Spirit. This wasn’t a debate….it was a mature very well studied elder trying to interact with a middle schooler brat. Dr. Brown is a great debater and I wish he hadn’t wasted his time doing this with Gabe.
@amyk87
@amyk87 6 ай бұрын
@@Cat-stros Agree 100%! And there was nothing “entertaining” about Gabe.
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
Nah. He is shrewd as a serpent which is much needed to counter the deception that Jews are chosen.
@fcsguro1
@fcsguro1 6 ай бұрын
Gabe dude is arrogant
@vernonclaassen2441
@vernonclaassen2441 6 ай бұрын
Ruzlan is in error here time 1:20:37 Dr.Brown holds to his own personal view of dual covenant theology. Dr.Brown does not belief that the Jews and Christians will be saved the same way. Example - Dr. Brown beliefs that when Christ comes all Jews of today will see Christ in the air as Israel is surrounded by their enemies and almost being destroyed. As the Jews look at Christ they will know who He is and what wrong they have done. At the moment in time they all will repent and accept him as their Messiah. Christ will intervene and in this way ALL JEWS WILL BE SAVED. This is a misrepresentation of scripture towards believers of today. Ruzlan should rather have stayed more neutral and ask the gentleman to explain. So he is not inparial here but siding with Dr.Brown instead of as a moderator humbling himself and not take side which he did. This is a dually in the salvation process in which Christ saves some people differently to others which leads to their not being 1 body of believers or 1 church. This is Dr.Brown unbiblical beliefs system. Place that adjacent to the coming of the Flood so shall the coming of Christ be...then you have serious problems. You have to be in Christ Dr.Brown before the flood comes and before Christ comes. Remember this point. God told Noah and his family to go into the Ark. Christ came and told everyone to believe and have in Him. I say it again ...your degrees and scholarship means nothing if you miss the little things which is the important thing.
@wwJd01
@wwJd01 6 ай бұрын
Gabe is a really good example of what belligerent dogmatism looks like in the Christian community, thank God for this debate to expose how immobile and insulated his views are. Good platforms do this, thank you Ruslan.
@onyemarauchenna7739
@onyemarauchenna7739 3 ай бұрын
The two of them are not arguing the same thing. They both agree that there is no salvation outside Jesus, so any Jew outside Jesus won't be saved. SIMPLE. If Mr. Brown is saying that all Jews will be turned around to salvation, what about their dead ones; will they also resurrect and join the his so-called prophesied revival? The Biblical truth is that equal opportunity is given to every nation now. Anyone that repents is joined to the Church (the spiritual Israel).
@ReformedIndeed76
@ReformedIndeed76 4 ай бұрын
Acts 18:6 "And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.” Matthew 27:25 "And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”" Two very interesting verses!
@dver89
@dver89 6 ай бұрын
Gabe is insufferable and has discredited himself in this debate. I've watched many theological debates, some of them heated, and I have never seen someone this immature and mean-spirited. I feel bad for Ruslan and Dr. Brown having to try to contain him.
@its.okay.to.be.christian
@its.okay.to.be.christian 6 ай бұрын
Why are you people so soft?
@eugenenunn4900
@eugenenunn4900 6 ай бұрын
Being respectful is not being soft​@@its.okay.to.be.christian
@amyk87
@amyk87 6 ай бұрын
@@its.okay.to.be.christian Why are you so willing to excuse a spirit of division? Calling wise, calm men “soft” isn’t loving or Christ-like. You need to examine your heart as much as Gabe does, apparently.
@its.okay.to.be.christian
@its.okay.to.be.christian 6 ай бұрын
@amyk87 because I watched the video, and these guys are simply being soft. Christ was not a weak, soft man.
@RepentanceNow-fg4vq
@RepentanceNow-fg4vq 6 ай бұрын
@@its.okay.to.be.christian do you know these men personally to characterize them as "soft"?
@JohnDoe-le8fy
@JohnDoe-le8fy Ай бұрын
Anyone that thinks they still are, knows absolutely nothing about the last two thousand years nor what happened in Jesus's day and 70 A.D.
@bitterclinger8964
@bitterclinger8964 6 ай бұрын
Dr Brown exemplifies the trope of "cries out in pain as they strike you". He calls Gabe "childish", "unethical", "a liar" , "silly" etc, etc, then proceeds to accuses Gabe of making personal attacks. What a joke.
@tunas707
@tunas707 6 ай бұрын
He’s a slimy one for sure.
@tevitat9447
@tevitat9447 5 ай бұрын
Gabe won this debate 100%😅
@justmorenoise
@justmorenoise 5 ай бұрын
😮 it’s true
@MargaritaKryuchkov-sv6hm
@MargaritaKryuchkov-sv6hm 4 ай бұрын
There is a huge difference between just statements and unjust statements 🤡🤣
@MargaritaKryuchkov-sv6hm
@MargaritaKryuchkov-sv6hm 4 ай бұрын
John 8:44 go read it and stop slandering 🤡🤣
@lindsaygraham9115
@lindsaygraham9115 6 ай бұрын
Dr. Michael Brown did a phenomenal job!! Gabe was extremely arrogant and dishonest. I’d like to see a debate with Dr. Michael Brown and Jeff Durbin on this topic.
@GINMOONLIGHT
@GINMOONLIGHT 6 ай бұрын
I love how Dr. Brown invokes the Holocaust, the inquisition, etc., when Gabriel could invoke that as well, it was the Jews that were killing Christians and if you go back in time, you will learn a lot more about that, but he didn’t in invoke that. dr. Brown did.. I found Dr. Brown to not come in good fath
@ctrlplusg
@ctrlplusg 6 ай бұрын
Saying that we‘re right, because we read the scriptures, but Ignatius of Antioch, who not only knew exactly what the apostles wrote, but got discipled by them and basically lived under them (perhaps for decades) is wrong. Well, this seems quite arrogant. Again, Gabe is clearly correct.
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
One of the strongest points of the debate 💯✊
@MarkelMathurin
@MarkelMathurin 26 күн бұрын
If Peter, an actual apostle, can be in error due to his favoritism to jewish Christians then a church father can be aswell
@mlwilson2956
@mlwilson2956 6 ай бұрын
If you think there are still special "chosen people" based on ethnicity, you've completely missed the gospel
@derickjelley7030
@derickjelley7030 6 ай бұрын
@@mlwilson2956 my thought exactly. Jesus, the cross, the tearing of the veil. These are all elements meant to destroy old divisions. Christ can with a sword to divide those who accept Him and those who don’t. That’s the only line of demarcation that matters.
@improvementestimate7458
@improvementestimate7458 6 ай бұрын
Bunch of dorks
@HankSemoreButz
@HankSemoreButz 6 ай бұрын
Sorry. The Bible clearly says Gods position on the Jewish people. They are favored
@marverb5
@marverb5 6 ай бұрын
​@@HankSemoreButz please show a single verse where it says *Jews* are a favored people. Not Israel, but Jews specifically. I believe your theology is confused
@HankSemoreButz
@HankSemoreButz 5 ай бұрын
@@marverb5 where in the Old Testament would you like to start?…
@mainpost4111
@mainpost4111 6 ай бұрын
Many dispensationalists in the comments unable to absorb an argument if somebody presents it without a smile. No wonder this heresy has caught on fire over the last 100 years. By worshipping Jews as saved you are blaspheming God. Put your emotions away and think about this. Do you think God is going to grant you grace if you worship people who all believe that Christ is burning in hell?
@ashercraft
@ashercraft 6 ай бұрын
This comment is from someone who obviously didn’t listen to the interview. Doesn’t understand Browns position or dispensationalism but probably dies hate Jews and regularly listens to Nick Fuentes.
@mainpost4111
@mainpost4111 6 ай бұрын
@@ashercraft oh I listened, way more than I should. But keep on doing the work of The Great Accuser by accusing me of listening to Fuentes or whatever other charge you know nothing about.
@QZigZagg
@QZigZagg 6 ай бұрын
The Jews aren’t saved until they come to their Messiah for salvation. The Nation of Israel has been TEMPORARILY set aside, not cut off. And right now God is working His purposes through the Church (Body of Christ). But Paul and the OT Prophets all speak of a FUTURE time where the Nation will know Jesus (Yeshua) as Messiah and be regenerated and saved. These passages can be read in Jeremiah 3, 23, 33; Ezekiel 36 & 37; Zechariah 12 & 13; Isaiah 61… just to name a few.
@King_Conan
@King_Conan 6 ай бұрын
Excuse me? What doctrine teaches that the Jews are saved by their birth? Who teaches this? The fact that you even felt the need to make this statement reveals you don't understand what this debate was about.
@shawnmwilson
@shawnmwilson 6 ай бұрын
@@QZigZaggall of the nation or just some?
@ReformedIndeed76
@ReformedIndeed76 4 ай бұрын
Dr. Brown claims he isn't a dispensationalist, but he sounds like one in almost everything he says, especially in regard to the Jews. Might as well go full blown dispy, dude because you are very close.
@CarollemMen-cl8nz
@CarollemMen-cl8nz 4 ай бұрын
Who are the national people today? But are the Zionists Jews the chosen ones? It appears that the Eastern European Jews who emigrated to Palestine feel they are the chosen ones and have looked down on Middle Eastern Jews and African Jews and darker skinned Jews. Who shall we say are the Jews today? Those who just say they are Jews? In Deuteronomy, didn't God put the Israelites out of Canaan Land for their disobedience and the curses fell upon them as described in Deuteronomy 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31. God created his people to worship him and to live holy. The people in Israel are Atheist, non-religious and secular. The Orthrodox Jews be spiritual. God is not in Zionism.
@smackblack4591
@smackblack4591 4 ай бұрын
I’m at the @1:22 mark and I agree with Gabe. Ruslan should not have fact checked Gabe because 1) The burden is on Dr Brown to do this, and 2) Dr Brown seems to be denying the theology in question and supporting it at the same time.
@ReformedIndeed76
@ReformedIndeed76 4 ай бұрын
It is clear from watching this that Ruslan was on cheering on Dr. Brown. I have not watched him before, but I assume he is more of an Arminian (non-Reformed or non-Calvinist) and that lets me know I won't be watching his content. I do know that Dr. Brown is way off in his theology, being a Charismatic, not to mention his premillennial eschatology. This debate was really hard to watch.
@MarkelMathurin
@MarkelMathurin 26 күн бұрын
​@@ReformedIndeed76you are going into the eternal fire if you think eschatology and charismiticism is a serious point of contention
@felipe_valerio
@felipe_valerio 3 ай бұрын
Dr. Brown holds a "calm" mask while literally accusing the other debater of not being faithful, of breaking the commandments. He prettends to feel attacked while attacking, and Ruslan enters the debate and starts debating the other guy lol
@crazycatgirlie
@crazycatgirlie 3 ай бұрын
You ever hear the saying: the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.
@NathanealMavis-zd7vp
@NathanealMavis-zd7vp 6 ай бұрын
Lodging accusations about Gabe’s character being immoral because you didn’t like his “tone” is so beta. Dr. Micheal Brown gets a pass because he gaslights with a smile and calm voice. Debates are about arguing ideas not optics.
@Iamjamjam44
@Iamjamjam44 6 ай бұрын
THANK YOU. Been trying to get that across! 🥴
@ramonalmeida6000
@ramonalmeida6000 6 ай бұрын
You must believe in replacement theology.. either that or have never watched civilized debates. Gabe attempts to be witty, and sarcastic but instead comes off as infantile and childish which detracts from his arguments.. At times he seems like he's there for gotcha moments rather than to get a point across. That's all without even pointing out what said by Gabe and the insinuations.. that led to accusations about character.. Starting with the Prophets of Baal comment.. what a joke man
@NathanealMavis-zd7vp
@NathanealMavis-zd7vp 6 ай бұрын
@@ramonalmeida6000 😂
@ramonalmeida6000
@ramonalmeida6000 6 ай бұрын
@@NathanealMavis-zd7vp 😂
@Azaryahuyisrael
@Azaryahuyisrael 6 ай бұрын
Using terms like Beta is a red flag in itself lol 🚩
@joshrussell7673
@joshrussell7673 6 ай бұрын
Ruslan, why didn’t you push back on Dr. Brown when he threw insults, interrupted, and misrepresented Gabe as a person and his beliefs? Sheesh.
@mathewbick5429
@mathewbick5429 6 ай бұрын
That was brutal watching Gabriel get called out for accusing Brown of ascribing to dual covenant theology when Brown clearly stated that the Jews are being held on outside of Christ Brown is committing an essential heresy by saying that and it is indicative of the position he is defending based on the title of this debate The semantics behind duel covenant theology are irrelevant if he is upholding a heresy of essential doctrine of all sects of Christianity No one gets to the father accept through Yeshua
@elijahmichaels175
@elijahmichaels175 4 ай бұрын
PLEASE DO NOT LIE U WERE NOT BEING FAIR BECAUSE U LEANED ON DR BROWNS BELIEF AND IT WAS OBVIOUS ALL THE WAY THROUGH
@ChristinaBiasca
@ChristinaBiasca 6 ай бұрын
Wow Gabriel interrupted and talked over Dr. Brown so much! It was really frustrating.
@kingsonbooka303
@kingsonbooka303 Ай бұрын
Brown got so sad after Gabe’s rebuttal! The Israelites are people of faith! Abraham saw Jesus Christ that’s why he believed! That’s why us who haven’t seen are blessed!
@hendrikkotze5078
@hendrikkotze5078 27 күн бұрын
The Jews are Antichrist. They Hate Jesus with a passion. They serve Satan. Jesus said if you reject me you also reject the Father. Who remains to worship?
@hendrikkotze5078
@hendrikkotze5078 27 күн бұрын
What Israelites are people of faith? A nation attended a gay pride parade. 200 000 homosexual and transgender walking the streets of Tel-Aviv.
@thecanberean
@thecanberean 6 ай бұрын
Great feisty debate. Full of good content. Probably needed a little bit more moderation though. Both Dr. Brown and Gabriel made some very pertinent and salient points.
@john.jai.sullivan
@john.jai.sullivan 6 ай бұрын
I have questions on: 1. Choseness - elected to service (its presumed purpose, when, to what end) 2. How does one commit to the belief that Israel is chosen without some parenthetical doctrine like Dispensationalism, or Christian-Judaism? 3. If Israel is chosen, to serve the future Kingdom of Christ, what measure or bearing does that have on those that are in covenanted relationship with Jesus Christ until such a time as their election should be fulfilled (not of Israel)? 4. Does presumed election on part of the nation of Israel account for all of historical Israel being saved?….Israel in past and present, and future? Or only all of Israel that exists at the time in which their promise is to be fulfilled? 5. Presumed by my fourth question, “WHO IS ALL of Israel”? 6. Does election vindicate anything egregious that they as a people today may do? If so? How is it justified? Both now and presumably, in the future Kingdom of Christ (wherein in they must serve)?
@its.okay.to.be.christian
@its.okay.to.be.christian 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, sir, for saying this. Dr. Brown never addressed it in the debate.
@BlessGodStudios
@BlessGodStudios 6 ай бұрын
These would have been awesome question for Gabe to ask. I’ll pass them on to Dr. Brown.
@john.jai.sullivan
@john.jai.sullivan 6 ай бұрын
@@BlessGodStudios wow! What an honor Ruslan! Thank you! 🙏🏾 man I appreciate that wow
@john.jai.sullivan
@john.jai.sullivan 6 ай бұрын
@@its.okay.to.be.christian thank you brother for chiming in. What do you think?
@its.okay.to.be.christian
@its.okay.to.be.christian 6 ай бұрын
@@john.jai.sullivan , I think you nailed the crux of the debate. The who, what, where, and why and that words have meaning and Dr.Brown was not giving solid definitions for his terms. It was a 2 vs 1 debate. Also, I believe the word heretic has meaning and that it's justified to call someone a heretic if they are one.
@alvinkey4591
@alvinkey4591 6 ай бұрын
Gabe, all the scriptures I was hoping you’d bring up, you did! So good 🔥 Also, everyone notice, to support his arguments Dr. Michael quotes guys from the last 200 years, when all the other hyper-eschatological cults came out, ie. Jehovah’s Witness, Mormonism, etc. To support his arguments, Gabe quotes EARLY CHURCH FATHERS, because this is what the Church has ALWAYS believed and taught!
@anon_genz
@anon_genz 6 ай бұрын
*St. Paul settled this debate close to two thousand years ago:* *Romans 9:6-9* : _"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” _*_This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring._*_ For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.”_
@johnmann8659
@johnmann8659 6 ай бұрын
@groundzero_us Paul is saying live like your ancestor Abraham or get blotted out. Ishmael: Genesis 16:11-12-> Genesis 22:1-2 Esau: Malachi 1:1-4 Judas Iscariot: Acts 1:15-20
@john.jai.sullivan
@john.jai.sullivan 6 ай бұрын
Can you tell me your view of this text more please.
@gerardosiasoniii8473
@gerardosiasoniii8473 6 ай бұрын
@@anon_genz this is still out of context. Can you provide more verse? Especially start with verse 1?
@anon_genz
@anon_genz 6 ай бұрын
@@john.jai.sullivan A plain reading of the text suggests that St. Paul is saying that race or blood doesn't make you a child of Abraham; rather, faith in God is what makes you a child of Abraham.
@esmevandermewe6106
@esmevandermewe6106 6 ай бұрын
What this scripture says is that the children of the promise (The promise is The Holy Spirit) are counted as the seed. Humans baptised with the Holy Spirit are counted as the seed. It's as simple as that.
@staciehaneline9533
@staciehaneline9533 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for hosting this debate on such a controversial topic.
@shanebert77
@shanebert77 6 ай бұрын
Ty Ruslan for hosting. I know(hope) everyone came in with good intentions, but can we as believers be more kind in our discourse? We must learn to debate in kindness or there is little hope in the future for our church. We need discourse like this, but we need to do it with grace
@libramagyk
@libramagyk 2 ай бұрын
They never were "THE CHOSEN"
@phebemeyer-kamara2537
@phebemeyer-kamara2537 2 ай бұрын
And some love to brainwash so many Christians who do not read their Bible.
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei 2 ай бұрын
Christians who call them the chosen clearly never read Galatians 3:16,29. It’s the nail in the coffin and even insinuates Christians are the inheritors of Israel not Jews. Modern Protestantism is a lie
@papabear4040
@papabear4040 2 ай бұрын
@@libramagyk So God's promises regarding the people of Israel whom He chose, are an outright lie? How absurd!
@jacobkats3670
@jacobkats3670 Ай бұрын
@@papabear4040 they were fulfilled in Christ
@ynezgoggiano8751
@ynezgoggiano8751 6 ай бұрын
1:17:00 - The promise is in Jesus Christ. There is no preservation of God's people, outside of Christ.
@lauraontiveros3432
@lauraontiveros3432 6 ай бұрын
That includes Gentiles too. Many Jews accepted Christ as Messiah as Gentiles. God is still giving an opportunity for more Jews and Gentiles to accept Christ as Messiah until judgement day.
@wingatesp
@wingatesp 3 ай бұрын
My blood was boiling when I watched the moderator, and the man in red both acted like the "true children," pointing the finger. The Jews are left desolate. Words of Jesus. Suffer said.
@parkerwhitchurch8
@parkerwhitchurch8 6 ай бұрын
I’m confused about how so many of these comments are in favor of Dr. Brown… I love the guy, but he was manipulative and dishonest this whole debate. He was trying to make himself look morally superior by gaslighting without actually addressing the actual debate at hand. Gabe had to spend half the time defending his character. What Dr. Brown was doing was far more provocative than anything Gabe did. He directly accused him of grave sins several times, and insulted him, while Gabe only had provocations about Dr. Brown’s positions, not his character.
@petersanmiguel1468
@petersanmiguel1468 6 ай бұрын
I personally think it's a demonic delusion that keeps people from seeing Dr. Brown's biblical position on this topic.
@danieljones8575
@danieljones8575 6 ай бұрын
Gabe's arguments don't hold up to scrutiny, so he has to resort to ad-hominem attacks. Dr. Brown obviously doesn't teach that Jews are saved outside of Christ, but Gabe keeps insisting that he does.
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
Can you identify a single ad-hom?
@Smithers4486
@Smithers4486 6 ай бұрын
I hope Wise Disciple does a debate reaction for this.
@fourteen00
@fourteen00 6 ай бұрын
Yes, my exact thoughts!
@applefeliciaonly
@applefeliciaonly 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking this the whole time. My first thought was that terms should have been defined on the front end which should have been done in opening statements. There were a lot of assumptions and both trying to clarify the entire time so there wasn’t much debate to be but more defending each others character
@jpsports041
@jpsports041 6 ай бұрын
Why are we debating? This scripture below sums it all up . I ask, then, has God rejected his own people, the nation of Israel? Of course not! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham and a member of the tribe of Benjamin. Romans 11:1 NLT.
@aiden2804
@aiden2804 6 ай бұрын
I think a lot of the debate comes from the present-day American view of Israel. I feel like a lot of Christians want to blindly support Israel which is where I disagree. Israel will turn from darkness, but until then, it's important to understand that present-day Israel does not respect us as Christians, nor have Christian interests at heart. None the less, I pray for the day the Nation of Israel repents and chooses to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and God.
@laurabeseth3943
@laurabeseth3943 6 ай бұрын
Because under the new covenant Jews can still become his chosen people?
@jpsports041
@jpsports041 6 ай бұрын
@aiden2804 Paul says there's a veil over their eyes , one day, they will accept Jesus as their Messiah . We all are Jews ,meaning we all are God's chosen people through Jesus.
@jpsports041
@jpsports041 6 ай бұрын
@@laurabeseth3943 The chosen doesn't change the covenant changed.
@aiden2804
@aiden2804 6 ай бұрын
@@jpsports041 amen God bless you
@fraolgirma3755
@fraolgirma3755 6 ай бұрын
Why would Dr. Brown choose to debate with someone as immature and emotionally charged as Gabe? It would have been better if Ruslan had moderated the debate more effectively. I hope you will invite a skilled and professional debater who is a perfect match for Dr. Brown
@lanceallenmcginnis1105
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 6 ай бұрын
Go ahead and do that. No one will watch and no one will learn or be challenged. This is the best content Ruslan has put out.
@sunflower9387
@sunflower9387 6 ай бұрын
​@lanceallenmcginnis1105 nope
@AmandaNunnelly
@AmandaNunnelly 6 ай бұрын
wasnt gabe the one who requested to debate Dr Brown
@disobey5615
@disobey5615 2 ай бұрын
So my question then is this, who killed Jesus? If you say that Jews killed Jesus, then my rebuttal to that is what Jesus said, “father forgive them, they know not what they do”, if Jesus asked god to forgive the Jews for killing him then is it not our responsibility as Christians, messianic Jews and Noah hides to do the same and follow our kings example and forgive the Jews for their actions? But if you try to argue that Jesus was asking to forgive the Roman’s then the blame still doesn’t fall onto the Jews either way, so this resentment and animosity towards Jews does not make sense when they were not the transgressors in the events of the story.
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei 2 ай бұрын
They were the transgressors and the ones who took blood unto their hands. But it isn’t a blame to people today obviously. The issue is Christians who ignore Gal. 3:16,29 and treat modern Jews who deny Christ as the chosen
@EMMMDs
@EMMMDs Ай бұрын
Romans weren't the "transgressors"?
@FonsFidei
@FonsFidei Ай бұрын
@@EMMMDs Did Pilate want to kill Jesus? Who took the blood on their hands?
@EMMMDs
@EMMMDs Ай бұрын
@@FonsFidei Did PILATE not have him scourged & beaten? Did he not send HIM to be crucified by his Roman soldiers? Did he not want a mutiny/riot on his hands to save himself?
@rkghawgs
@rkghawgs 6 ай бұрын
Hands down one of the worst debate performances I've ever seen from Gabriel Finochio... He made it personal, mischaracterized Dr. Brown's beliefs, and Dr. Brown just ran circle around him in regards to knowledge and interpretation of scripture. Embarrassing. Gabe is just unhinged, and certainly doesn't show Christ in his behavior in this debate
@donia20252
@donia20252 3 ай бұрын
That’s right! That’s what I am trying to say all along, it is the Jew who seperated themselves from the Gailile and the samaritans. It was the Jew who thinks they are superior and above all the tribes when in fact , God loved all the 12 tribes and there wa never a chosen tribe. Enough is enough.
@cious_96
@cious_96 6 ай бұрын
Dr Michael Brown has departed from Church tradition particularly on Galatians 6:16. So Gabriel is right that he has his own private interpretation and is the one that is replacing 2000 years of Church tradition with private interpretations.
@rhstclare1195
@rhstclare1195 6 ай бұрын
I’m finding this frustrating because neither side has defined terms. For example, what does ‘chosen/elected mean to each side? Who are the ‘Jews’? The term ‘Jews’ and ‘Israel’ seem to be interchangeable in this debate but should they really be interchangeable when the tribes in the Northern kingdom were spread throughout the world? Again that was not defined, discussed and clarified.
@remnant8898
@remnant8898 6 ай бұрын
Dr. Brown clearly defined what chosen/election means according to scripture. It's for vocation or service.
@ruthtirado2750
@ruthtirado2750 5 ай бұрын
What an awesome thought provoking debate! 👏👏👏
@irondiver2034
@irondiver2034 3 ай бұрын
Dr Brown is the clear winner of this so called debate. His opponent in the future needs to watch and learn how debates are conducted. My opinion, is that the opponent has a higher view of doctrine and what the church fathers had to say than that of scripture. His appeal to their authority rather than scripture was evident. I going to have to listen to this video again probably a couple of times. Ruslan, I admire your patience you showed a lot of grace. God bless you.
@Oogahboogah1497
@Oogahboogah1497 2 ай бұрын
Dr Brown is the more polished debater, but IMO Gabe “won” with stronger points. What did you think were Dr Brown’s strongest points?
@streethymns4297
@streethymns4297 6 ай бұрын
You can choose not to believe in Replacement Theology and still understand that Jesus is the only way for mankind.
@danih2444
@danih2444 6 ай бұрын
As a person who is currently more orthodox but spent significant time in the charismatic Pentecostal branch of the church… I believe that Gabe is correct. Dr. Brown has a certain view because the Israel pillar is foundational to the charismatic model. I’m not apt to trust their judgement.
@chris2614-f5c
@chris2614-f5c 6 ай бұрын
@danih2444 conversely, as someone who is charasmatic that seen a lot of orthodox content and comments, it seem the orthodox people are far more rigid and will not listen to anything that is counter to what they were taught. Because you place tradition at such a high level, you are less willing to critically look at those traditions. My experience is the exact opposite of yours. The comments on this video prove my point.
@shadowcolorado3668
@shadowcolorado3668 6 ай бұрын
Who are the 144k?
@aiden2804
@aiden2804 6 ай бұрын
Although Gabe did not perform the greatest this debate (but it was his first so we should extend grace), I do understand his point on how some Christians just want to blindly support Israel as a nation no matter what. There will be a time where they turn from darkness, but until then I still acknowledge that present day Israel does not respect us as Christians nor our beliefs. Which should NOT warrant our blind support. However, to their defense we as Christians persecuted them which is not okay as they have us as well. Although hard to watch at times, I feel I learned a lot from this debate. Thanks for doing this debate Ruslan. God bless everyone!!!
@Einoidmilvada
@Einoidmilvada 6 ай бұрын
Dr. Brown is a missionary Jew. It's ironic how he keeps on saying that the text speaks for itself. But he is notoriously known of ignoring the old testament and quoting the new testament. He is the king of 'taking things out of context. Even in this debate he kept citing quotes from the new testament and completely twisted the old testament. Dr. Brown is a joke.
@66fredo99
@66fredo99 6 ай бұрын
MESSIANIC Jew not "missionary" Jew..Messianic Jews quote from the NT because they believe it.
@sharonvandiver6856
@sharonvandiver6856 5 ай бұрын
I have serious doupts Gabe will make it to heaven with his attitude. Just my personal opinion.
@nathanlevy4386
@nathanlevy4386 18 күн бұрын
I have serious doubts Brown is even a Christian with his grooming problem.
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