Heated Debate over Khabib vs Islam | WEIGHING IN

Big John McCarthy and Josh Thomson get into a heated debate over Islam Makhachev being as good as Khabib Nurmagomedov in the UFC. Clip from WEIGHING IN #165
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[@TikTacTow]

Yes he is nervous, Khabib paid for his entire fight camp, the house, cars, food, everything. Coach Khabib is beyond Humble and he just didn’t want to let him down.. Islam will get better every fight like Khabib did with his boxing!

[@rupert6001]

Gaayyy

[@hammerz2k]

Western ideology doesn't understand this kind of brotherhood

[@ZachAAlam]

@@hammerz2k no clue

[@rafiqulhaque95]

@@ZachAAlam not surprised

[@geronimo9193]

@@hammerz2k not all of us think like this brotha i have a huge respect for your ppl i think islam is better than khabib he has khabib wrestling with way better striking

[@dariusneidhart1068]

Is Josh really undermining Khabib's opponents just to put Islam over? Khabib DOMINATED his opponents through and through brother. Islam hasn't reached that level of performance. I am sure he has the skills but he hasn't reached that invincible level of Khabib.

[@NartixG]

This is how the real debate about MMA fighters should be.

[@jamestrost8412]

Dude this wasn’t a debate it was a schooling by big John

[@Getroy]

Khabib has an aura like nobody else. He's intimidating inside the cage. From his face to his culture to his background of fighting. Islam will eventually get there.

[@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro]

Good point.🤔🦅

[@Sam-ng3of]

The debate comes down to this. Which 10 wins do you regard as better: Shalorous, Tibau, Tavarez, Truijlo, Healy (#10) RDA (#5), Horcher, Johnson (#6), Barboza (#4), Al (#11) OR Kuntz, Martins, Wade, Lentz, Tibau, Johnson, Tsarukyan, Ramos, Dober (#15) Moises (#14). IMO Nurmagomedov's first 10 fights were harder but the division has become more competitive and deeper now and a few of the unranked guys Makhachev fought would probably be ranked back then. Makhachev has also faced more grapplers as 9/10 of Makhachev's first 10 opponents came from wrestling/grappling backgrounds while 6/10 of Nurmagomedov's first 10 opponents came from wrestling/grappling backgrounds.

[@ronniepickering4211]

Big John is right on this one 💯

[@bobxjsix7052]

im with Big John 👍🏻

[@sjtdxitditsitdurzirxur5926]

100% Thomson is talking out of his ass

[@ahmedalaidy6320]

@@bobxjsix7052 I’m not , once Islam smokes Charles this debate will be minimized

[@mohammadabdi9178]

big john is COrrect

[@myfavbookbrontejaneeyre3752]

I think Josh giving Islam good advice here.

[@kic7009]

Big john won tf outta this debate lmao💯

[@aliasghar520]

I agree Islam is good but he is not Khabib. Not even close.

[@carolynsevilla8255]

Yes, I somewhat agree. Khabib is on totally different level.

[@user_not_found....]

Khabib is monster

[@TikTacTow]

You guys act like Khabib was Khabib 29-0 day 1.. Islam is damm good! He will be champion and I’m only upset he has that one loss!

[@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro]

IKR (that one loss)!☹ I'm excited for his potential future! I hope he goes undefeated, Lord willing (insha'Allah)! I like these two's debate! They disagree but still respect eachother!😬😲

[@geronimo9193]

Lol khabib couldnt strike this early in his career

[@hisoka524]

@@geronimo9193 Cause he doesnt need to

[@alexanderokak5112]

the one loss imo shouldnt have been stopped that early, but I would have to hear a professional referees opinion on that.

[@chijimuimui404]

Khabib first 10 fights, beside of RDA and Al laquinta, he also fought Barboza, Michael Johnson , those were beast strikers at that time ... I agree with Big John , good argument tho

[@outcold2696]

Jon won that argument hands down

[@servetu0131m]

thanks for honest discussion, not keeping sides for the sake of discussion

[@killthebank8910]

HAHA! "Let's Get It On!" You guys are my favorite place for MMA thoughts and analysis. Keep it up! 🙏

[@derallerechtebeenjii9595]

I think Barbosa is aa Beast Fighter

[@majapashit666]

I really enjoy u guys arguing. 👌💪🙌🏼

[@mamun2]

Even when khabib fought pat healy,,,khabib was good dominating right?

[@Sam-ng3of]

Yes and Healy was ranked #10

[@god8331]

@Ogre Taul Moises hasn’t beaten anyone except a washed up old Michael Johnson on a losing streak and lost to a young Dariush in 2018 and should have lost to Bobby green and beat Alexander Hernandez who is a bum lmao that’s his best fights Pls don’t compare him to khabib opponents he was ranked for beating no one

[@god8331]

@Sad Life facts

[@gregelden8611]

Great debate! I think people would tend to agree with John and I did for the most part. However, you have to understand that Josh has countless hours of training with both Khabib and Islam. It sounds like in the gym they are very close in terms of skill and technique. Islams potential may be as good or better than Khabib and I think that's what Josh is trying to convey here. Huge part of fighting is mental however, and at the moment I think that's what sets them apart. Intensity and confidence can't really be taught. I think this is where Khabib has a clear advantage...

[@alexanderokak5112]

khabib himself is sure islam will surpass his legacy, obviously this could be propaganda but khabib is a very honest genuine guy from what I've seen of his actions

[@alexdelgado501]

no one thinks josh is right

[@abrarahmad5675]

well what about Michael Johnson?

[@marcernest3165]

I just watched a guy calculate 1+1+7 for longer than 30 seconds. You picked the right career Josh buddy 😂

[@ashraff_khan]

It's like watching Islam fans vs Oliveras fans arguing in social media

[@shahanreza1451]

1. Khabib is much more dominant 2. Islam's striking is better but ground game, khabib is way more better. 3. Mental strength, khabib much better 4. Finally, it's smartness, figuring out the game and opponents. 5. Islam may become champion, but khabib will remain as a legend for the ways he has handled his career, UFC, opponents, wisdom and family

[@ashleywhatley8238]

Moises better than Iaquinta? I'm not sure I agree with that.

[@ashleywhatley8238]

@Michailli L Fair enough matey, but I was really just taking this conversation at face value and tentatively posing a question. When listening to these two gentlemen talk, I am more than aware that they have forgotten more than I will ever know. They're experts in their fields of study, who were having that latter day, barbashop, type conversation. Instead of a heated debate on whether Floyd's better than Ray Robinson. They're chatting and disagreeing over the modern day equivalent, the beautiful sport, that is MMA! :)

[@yogi2983]

absolutely love the debate. both you guys are right haha

[@lindseyelizabeth8877]

Josh is a real one - putting over the active, rising Teammate over the retired one who doesn’t need to be put over. Big John is being honest, josh is putting his teams best interest first. Anyone who remembers that Barbosa fight- barbosa was a fucking monster coming in to fight and khabib had been injured and inactive prior. That fight - what khabib did to him was shocking in real time. Islam proactively calling out rda- who even josh is admitting would be an issue- shows he wants to test himself and level up.

[@1ali1996]

may Allah bless us all and gaide all of us to the right path of moses and jesus and Mohammed ...

[@Averagegamer09]

Big John had me In tears

[@colet911]

If you cut out every repetition of the same sentences, this video would be 1 minut long

[@TerribleTake]

Josh out here acting like Moises is a world beater future champ, like bruh stop

[@jeenagarcia5144]

Big John 💯💯💯

[@samcruiz]

No , I disagree. He is not Khabib , because his name is Islam. He is a striker and he loves to use that skill more than Khabib does with his wrestling skills. He goes Wrestling until Khabib start to scream at him. He will build his own legacy and Opinions will change later.

[@amalsyukri5707]

Islam Makhachev told the media "Tony not khabib’s level. People don’t understand how Khabib have pressure, I cannot explain you guys, but i think you know everything". This showed how even Islam's level is below Khabib.. Just my opinion...

[@jamestrost8412]

Josh got schooled so hard this is difficult to watch

[@ronalmaharaj794]

Khabibs pace and pressure higher level

[@carsonborak568]

I think time will tell, as of now it’s not fair to compare

[@jengofetlupa44]

This comment aged well, It’s a serious debate now

[@faizan5456]

I agree with Big John

[@mightynathaniel5355]

love the realness. Islam may end up greater, we will have to see, hard to say in 10 fights like they are talking here. If islam gets the belt eventually and stays fighting and winning longer he could eventually surpass khabib because khabib retired after his father passed and walked away thus having a shorter career in MMA than he could have had and leaving more room for Islam as well as champs like kamaru Usman to continue to dominate, or for jon jones to win at heavyweight and thus all push khabib down a step on the pound for pound all time greatest fighters list.

[@raresmarcu9453]

Islam is not Khabib but he is the closest to that God level!

[@oldmansinginlove3808]

i think tsarukyan n thiago are gonna fight for interim in a year's time

[@dinbachok6424]

I think islam lacks pace compared to khabib. That what makes him a little "boring". If he can up his pace, i think people gonna love him much more.

[@oldmansinginlove3808]

ya bro.. betoi

[@rendezvouz001]

I believe Islam is more technical and calm and typical betha male. Khabib is more aggresive and intimidating, typical alpha male. He has the certain aura that make people scared without even trying. They're different. Somehow I think the presence of Khabib in the corner make his pupils' opponents a little bit down. The one that has Khabib's mentality is his cousin, Umar Nurmagomedov. This little cousin is definitely ready to go.

[@bobxjsix7052]

Big John 👍🏻

[@smeff099]

9:40 you ain't wrong. Thiago moises underrated, but Al dug deep for that fight.

[@chriskoucouthakis9069]

I can see what Josh is TRYING to argue but using the Khabib vs Pat Healy version to compare to is a lil much, that was A LOOONG TIME AGO. The Khabib who fought Pat Healy was the Khabib who was still struggling MAJORLY at making 155 lbs, he'd already missed weight once against Abel Trujillo when he weighed in at 159.5 for that fight & he also fought Pat Healy at a catch weight at 160 lbs & Khabib was still not sure if he could overcome his back injuries against Pat Healy. I could see using the Khabib vs Michael Johnson or maybe Khabib vs Barboza as an example for that argument

[@smilinggalaxy]

I feel for big Jon. Hes dealing with some real ignorance in this video.

[@chriskoucouthakis9069]

Josh are u REALLY gna say that Thiago Moises is better than Tibau? RDA? Barbosa? Michael Johnson? And yes I do think Yakeentuh is better than Moises. OMG did I just hear Josh say Moises is better than Barbosa? I bet the 145 lb Barbosa would smash up a 155 lb Thiago Moises

[@629131]

How y’all gunna say something josh knows these dudes I believe him

[@wilsonlayne1522]

It's not a team sport every man or woman for themselves it's not share the belt day

[@FlowerGirl8]

Nobody is Khabib. Islam is his own fighter. The high expectations and constant pressure he is under to win like Khabib would mentally defeat most fighters. So underrated.

[@bluescripts100]

Umar might be the best out of all of them

[@zaidahmed385]

No comparison to Khabib

[@a.a.h.s.2345]

Josh wylin, lol.

[@arminx918]

I really like that guy on the left. Very interesting to listen too. 👍 Edit: I think they have the same skill set but khabib had more confidence, thats something islam needs to learn.

[@dperez8476]

Wow, josh! Khabib is the man!

[@pynroilangsyiem8370]

John is right.

[@kennycole9467]

6:10 is a serious burn lol

[@munzirabrar9494]

Edson barboza was 4 at that time...way better than moises

[@213amp]

These guys work for bellator yet all they ever talk about are ufc fighters smh promote the fighters from the organization yall work for

[@lakeshoresubtleties]

They talk about all of it if you'd listen to the whole podcasts...

[@derbycity50]

Josh your wrong brotha

[@kennethmortensen8159]

Josh is way wrong here

[@heavyrunnerweightlifter4392]

I think he's better than kabib. He's definitely stronger. Just the mental

[@jengofetlupa44]

Interesting revisiting this now, Islam is definitely better.

[@bbginc694]

Josh is trippin man Islam is not close to Khabib level yet

[@TikTacTow]

Khabib wasn’t Khabib at first. Had no jab at first .. had no English …relax ..he will smash everyone with his hips

[@carolynsevilla8255]

No, not yet. Khabib is on totally different level. Not anyone comes close.

[@mistermiyagi6073]

@@TikTacTow but what Khabib had was his chin + insane pressure where he's running at people. That is what Islam lacks, he's been slept before so now you see him being very tentative on the feet

[@EAGLES575]

AND THE WINNER BY UNANIMOUS DECISION............"BIIIIGGGGGG JJJJJJOOOOHHHHNNNNNN MMCCAAARRRRRRTTTHHHHYYYYY! 😄

[@colet911]

These two dudes have big egos in a childish way

[@monogod]

Tsarukyan and Moises are definitely better at grappling than anyone Khabib has fought.

[@imtiazjasat4085]

These guys are clueless, not nerves, its fight mode, Islam & khabib are more experienced fighters than anyone in mma, been fighting all their lives, also both far superior fighters than than anyone in mma ever

[@KennyKenCan6410]

I havent seen any of Khabib's early fights. I will agree that I think the pressure of following Khabib is affecting Islam. Islam has been rushed to the top and has not faced the same lvl of competition nor the same ammount of fights. Look at Beneil... He beat Dobber and Moises both like 5 fights ago. He didnt get ranked nor talks about title shot. Islam suddenly became ranked over night @#9 then jumps to 5 with a win vs #12? And jumps Beneil who already beat same fighters? Just isnt how it should go and punishes the guys who've grinded and earned their way to the top. DP has had to endure the same shit thru his career. Islam should be #12 and fight Gregor Gillespie. That's how the UFC has historically done it. 2 top lvl grapplers fight to see who is the better and that one move on. That's the lvl of competition he should be facing at this time in his career and Gillespie has earned that.

[@fahmykhawarizmi5294]

If khabib meets islam they will doing shalat berjamaah.

[@peacemaker5221]

Islam will tap khabib shoulder so he can be makmum😁

[@abdulausaf4639]

Iaquinta is way bettertter than tiago

[@oldmansinginlove3808]

no way.. u seen thiago fight? no this one though... tlfor this one, he looked like the, school kids, who came to aka to, practise with, dahestanis

[@justinfletcher7630]

John is absolutely right I don't think the two are that similar outside of the short hair beard and cauliflower ear

[@areefzerg5814]

Hasbulla beats both of them..

[@joeyripswell]

Khabib is the goat. No one is close. They don’t really have the same style. so why compare? Datss raccisssssssss

[@kennycole9467]

Khabib isn't the Goat Jon Jones could kick his ass. If Khabib was so good he move up in weight to be a champ champ like The notorious

[@joeyripswell]

@@kennycole9467 🤦‍♂️

[@CraZeJTz]

Josh you’re right

[@alialibenali520]

Islam is going to be the next champ 100% and Islam is the only one can train with Habib and he is may be more great fighter than habib him self

[@ivartheboneless9798]

In one training session ,there is one guy chase, chase did wrestling match with islam and after also with khabib. So after he told to khabib that he is way better wrestler than islam.so your problem is solved now 😉 Link kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqCzmqF6otiBerc