Heated exchange between Ms Grace Fu and Asst Prof Jamus Lim over Carbon Tax pricing

[@kianmetaru]

Props to Pritam for pointing out Grace's inappropriate decorum while the Speaker twiddled his thumbs

[@raymasraymas]

Shocked that this can happen, when the rest of the country is largely law abiding and respectful of procedures

[@kianmetaru]

@@raymasraymas 🤣

[@raymasraymas]

@Ferry Budiman Hahah! Love the sarcasm. Brilliant

[@jasperherr8694]

He's busy looking at another woman instead of focusing on the speech.

[@MDroid-bn6eb]

Why can’t they just be objective and focus on the end result for the good of Singapore? Is it wrong to even consider alternative views and cooperate if necessary? Grace don’t have to put down different views just because it is coming from an opposition MP. Their loyalty first and foremost should be to Singapore and Singaporeans, not to their party. And I am saying this to both sides of the political divide.

[@93hothead]

the problem with pap is the pride that have inflated in their heads. They refuse to listen to opinions because whatever they say have to be right lmao

[@BeachBoi1000]

People come up with a plan, then Jamus just spend one minute and tweak a little, my plan you see is better.

[@acheeyk]

Regressive system .....gov

[@manyue2003]

That is the problem with the culture of the governing party. Party whip.

[@chuak.c7349]

@@BeachBoi1000 you pap dog?

[@VeronYong]

Mad respect to Jamus for keeping his cool

[@peterchew4018]

Jamus 1 Grace 0...final score

[@raymasraymas]

I am absolutely shocked that basic parliamentary procedure, of one person standing at a time, can be ignored when you’re in power. It’s the Speakers responsibility to ensure such proceedings rather than allow members to get away with it.

[@shun9142]

🤷‍♂️

[@acheeyk]

Double standards ... Level playing field .?????

[@acheeyk]

Pap self entitlement..!!!!

[@ryanseah2083]

The speaker is PAP own people. So double standard.

[@ryanseah2083]

@A C can't blame speaker is PAP own people.

[@eatdrinkrunwalk]

Wah Speaker of Parliament so fast to stop Jamus from using weight loss analogy but forget to tell Ah Grace to sit down when its her turn...

[@93hothead]

the biasness is so obvious yet he always state he is unbiased. Selective hearing and biasness is the reason why our policies are not improving, none of the parties are listening to one another as demonstrated by grace and jamus in this video

[@kashsingh4623]

The protocols don't apply to The Immortals.

[@windydragon6522]

@@93hothead Jamus asked question but she said something else. So Jamus supposed to back down and just listen to her?

[@93hothead]

@@windydragon6522 was talking about the moderator lol

[@anfield0109]

All these is obvious since day 1 leh. Now then u know ? PAP supporter from day 1 brudder.

[@byebyefiat]

This Speaker of parliament needs to do better. Much better. The bias is so obvious. Or am i wrong?

[@wangosteen]

It's obvious he has a clear agenda against. Dude doesn't even allow the opposition to get to their points.

[@kelvinwong9449]

I do agree with you

[@schrodinger6429]

Nope. Speaker keep pushing Jamus while he was just using interest rate as an example to make his point across.

[@phongy45]

Fail badly, so bias

[@anfield0109]

Since day 1. Now then u all know ah ?

[@93hothead]

Grace fu can't seem to understand the meaning of adapting to the economy. So once a policy is set in stone she seems to be too lazy to adapt to the world. Now we can see how PAP operate and their narrow view of the world.

[@acheeyk]

Simple job Get a figure according to the likes of ???? . Then mission accomplished. Get my million dollars salary n shake leg until next election.

[@scbchong6964]

Highly-paid Prof Jamus can only come up with wider band instead of something better? And he forgot corporate planners need fixed cost for a couple of business cycles to gauge progress. Blind Opposition cult supporters give too much credit for such mediocre performance.

[@93hothead]

@@scbchong6964 bruh the government has so much data to infer what is happening. If it is a company auditing themselves yes you would need more data to make an inference of your situation. But the government has information across all businesses and industries. Yet they can still say they need more data? Didn't they already learn this with their masters degree or PhD?

[@acheeyk]

@@93hothead gov is not transparent when oppo asked for access of data lol. No level playing field . Please play fair for citizens sake. Grace fu is a million dollars minister with all resources available . Come on comment fairly.

[@93hothead]

@@acheeyk which is sad honestly, countries such as sweden and US openly disclosed this data for students to learn and also other government figures to use without fear. if Singapore is hiding data then there is something fishy going on

[@jegak1009]

She has to be more polite to a question from a representative of the public. She is simply arrogant 🤬

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@erictan8853]

@@scbchong6964 k

[@alvintan2163]

arrogant pap standard

[@fongwilliam707]

Terrible grace

[@dennistay4538]

Yes arrogant n fly the sky clean blue skies

[@kashsingh4623]

With the likes of Grace Fu in charge, i fear for the future of this country. Government used to be respectable. More reason to vote opposition in the next election.

[@bruhbro1181]

Opposition needs more votes. Everytime a law is passed from opposition, even if it is really good, will fail. But even the worst pap policy can be passed in parliament

[@kashsingh4623]

@@bruhbro1181 Believe me....I dont think it was the first time

[@acheeyk]

They just lectured oppo did not give alternative solutions for GST hike, 3774 same sex issue ...???? Gov just a bunch of absent minded ......

[@xijinpig7978]

how dare you criticise her. you want her to beach slap you?

[@kashsingh4623]

@@xijinpig7978 Haha! Don't even have to criticise to get her riled up..just explain solutions she can't understand - like upper and lower pricing bounds.

[@jonwicktv]

Condescending attitude from the ruling party Edit: i rewatched it and it’s like Grace Fu is talking to a kid and scoffing at them as if they’re suggesting something crazy. Same way how those annoying teachers in school talk to students. And the body language of annoyance and talk down. CRINGE

[@acheeyk]

Empress grace .

[@wiranazahrin6262]

My daughter and I get the same treatment from so-called "public servants", she was brazenly taken away despite her disagreeing with them. She still wants to come home yet they scoff at the idea for nearly two years. Isn't it insulting for them to blame her father only when they alleged a 10 year old child having suicidal thoughts yet she firmly denies it and still eager to be with her father, the inner conflict she has being exacerbated by them? Something is clearly not right and not ethical but none of them wants to admit with humility instead keep on bullying us with impunity and dragged on our suffering despite the clear-cut facts that would provide enough reasons to any right minded person to withdraw from punishing us any longer

[@chuak.c7349]

@@acheeyk dowager fu

[@xijinpig7978]

Her father was press secretary to LKY Big shot She is big shot at home calling all the shots until.... Pritam OWNED her so badly

[@scbchong6964]

Highly-paid Prof Jamus can only come up with wider band instead of something better? And he forgot corporate planners need fixed cost for a couple of business cycles to gauge progress. Blind Opposition cult supporters give too much credit for such mediocre performance.

[@jimw8615]

Grace has repeatedly show that she don’t allow people to question her. How about having a different view from her? Disagree with her? She cmi. Period. So rude. She can’t be objective.

[@jvttsm]

The tone and attitude of Grace Fu is downright disgusting. The laughter from the Ruling party in the Cabinet is equally bad. I think all debate aside, having a civil and non-condescending response from ANYONE is the most basic of stuff.

[@jxuann89]

Her ego can't be challenged lol

[@banhoetoh9891]

How one carries… speaks a lot …. Disgusted and disgraceful

[@Tom81sup4]

Disgraceful already lost it..former leader of house forgetting basic parliamentary rules of debate already show it..

[@acheeyk]

Where is the speaker of the house....sleeping or plain bias.

[@chuak.c7349]

@@acheeykvery kelong even with VAR.

[@Nick_LS]

5:20 Must be hard for the speaker of parliament to be pointed out for not doing his basic job properly.

[@danneh8777]

Because the speaker is PAP side

[@musico3415]

Hahaha

[@Dionicys]

Well he called Jamus a "Fucking Populist" in Parliament. Him being a former general - lost the respect of the country

[@jasonlim4512]

but when it comes to GST, public transport fares, electricity bills, the fees keep changing. i also find it difficult for families to make projections for their finances when bills keep changing.

[@acheeyk]

In Singapore what goes up never come down.

[@byrin]

Can we just have a non partisan speaker for parliament?

[@chuak.c7349]

Good idea, in world Cup football, referee must be from different country.

[@suannaleong]

Ownself party help ownself pap party minister

[@isftish]

yeah sg parliament is like playing against 11 men + 5 referee + all the security personel

[@CCPChina]

PAP losing next year. PAP keep taxing the common people of Singapore so that they can buy private property and cars. Do you know PAP use our money to fill in their own pocket? There are so many poor people in Singapore yet PAP choose to neglect but overburden the people with heavy taxes. I really dislike corrupt authoritarian government like PAP. This seems so similar to Putin! When people are in power, they are blinded by greed eventually. Take a look at PAP!

[@damontan4749]

@@isftish isn’t that the point for every country, have you seen Mexico, dummy

[@hotpotgang]

The sighing, the eye rolls, some people might feel she is condescending.

[@Truth433]

Some PAP ministers just cant think properly, Stubborn her argument seems lame

[@steventan7674]

I reckon she had mistaken/ don’t understand the question which was put forth to her by the opposition party.

[@shafiesaaban4480]

dont understand the question * ? Thats y one name with just Ms n other is Prof...😉

[@byebyefiat]

Different intellectual levels. Nothing surprising.

[@chuak.c7349]

Send her to get a PhD before debate. She did not understand the question.

[@theresatang4718]

too shallow to understand a professor!

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@adricchong6354]

Everyone in the room knows that their meeting is being recorded and ultimately to be broadcasted in whatever platform for the nation to watch, so that people of Singapore can share their opinions with their peers. Not everyone in general public can understand fully what they are talking about. Coming up with relevant analogy is a great way to start. Unless it’s irrelevant or too extreme that would cloud public’s view. Speaker can only then stop or correct the speakers from both parties. I still feel that TCJ stopped JL too quickly when he is trying to let not just the people in the room, but the general public to understand his view better. I don’t see him stopping GF from talking. Just my observation. Idk😅

[@acheeyk]

It is the pap wrong.why apologized.? Right or wrong. Correct or incorrect. Why shy away . Pap is wrong. Sitting on the fence . You are a scary cat.!!!!

[@skysky1977]

Jamus scored a lot of points for himself with his debate . Grace appears to be frustrated at opposing views

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@CCPChina]

@@scbchong6964 Go back to China you CCP bot. Stop interfering in our politics here in SG.

[@scbchong6964]

@@CCPChina Not a bot. Just an older singaporean who has worked in middle management in private sector for 27 years now. What jobs have you held and in which industries? Why Opposition supporters like to Cancel Culture the govt but themselves got no relevant experience or expertise?

[@manerosnf8449]

@@scbchong6964 Highly paid,as high as MIW?

[@scbchong6964]

@@manerosnf8449 MIW are all accomplished in school, university and their previous civil service or private sector careers, kid. What industry do you work in? Are you a top performer in your company or industry? Likely you are still in school and living rent-free under your parents' roof, right?

[@singwin6264]

Well done Jamus. You have alot of substance and potential.

[@dantlanz2225]

Talks like a sec.5 student who doesn't know how to get to his point.

[@CCPChina]

@@dantlanz2225 shut up you 5 cent bot from China. Go back to China la. Stop commenting using VPN.

[@singwin6264]

@Dant Lanz you clearly didnt get his point too just like GF

[@scbchong6964]

@@singwin6264 Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@fareast9626]

Hi jamus Lim is very good 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@yut576]

Grace is not so grace under pressure ...LOL. I see her venting more than justifying the policy...lately two lady Ministers have been very defensive, dismissive, and clearly never been put in a position where their parliamentary arguments were robustly challenged...hence good opposition brings another view and hopefully shapes better policy and law that we all can accept.

[@suannaleong]

Vote in more opposition members to represent our citizens

[@chuak.c7349]

Vote her out. Name Grace but not Grace.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@scbchong6964]

@@thangvictor1184 The issue is highly-paid Prof Jamus produce shoddy work. He is an adult, well-educated, elected MP hor. They are debating policy which will affect SG reputation as stable, progressive economy. Jamus is posturing to display his own vain intellect and offering different, but not better.

[@cz287cj]

@@scbchong6964 which part of his work is shoddy?

[@blakekohjing1236]

Ms Grace stated her point well towards the end of the exchange but this doesn't discount the fact that the Speaker was not properly exercising his power and judiciary liability in how the parliament works. Thank you, Mr Pritam, for standing up to this and making them streamline their exchange to really get their point. Nonetheless, the PAP's proposal on this is likely to be more apt.

[@lkhighland8517]

Hi jamus Lim you are the best

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@eliasjasondavid708]

Hey, when you guys started loads of Solar power, did we get discount on energy price??

[@dingdangdog]

both parties make sense, but I do agree with Grace Fu's rationale that a signalling effect coming from this is integral to actually promoting a low-carbon economy. Short term pain for long term sustainability.

[@acheeyk]

Bro business not helping the earth. BUSINESS!!!!lol tax on us + GST!!

[@hawkenfox]

@@acheeyk Bro you safe all the money and when earth burns and flood, your money and big house can't safe you and your kids ass.

[@acheeyk]

@@hawkenfox you all are paying for it. 25$p er ton per person translate to 200+ $ per year. Why are we citizens paying so much for small insignificant small country Like Singapore. It will keep on increasing ????? Business not to help the world. It for the banks , financial institutions ....

[@khongvincent6877]

It's the wrong timing as inflation on the way,then talk about carbon tax. So talk about earth,then give money to Sporean to support to less use on carbon not using tax as an excuse!

[@kaister901]

You do realise that pretty much every country in the paris agreement fell short of the expected goals right? It is not just us. It makes no sense to shoot ourselves in the foot during a time of economic uncertainty by pressuring businesses that are still reeling in from covid. Businesses are still trying to reformat themselves to a post covid world. If we pressure them hard in the name of "Looking good" to others. There won't be a country left to "look good" when the environment is all "saved". I say "saved" because the fact remains the majority of the countries are not willing to do their part. The major countries like US, China, India are all still holding very nationalistic views. They are also the biggest contributors. They have no interest in slowing their economy down in the name of saving the planet. If they have no intentions to set vigorous goals to protect their economy. Then Singapore would be foolish to do the opposite. People are just going forget Singapore and go to countries with stronger economies. If globally everyone agreed, alright lets take a hit to the economy to save the world first. Then that gives a fair playing ground to everyone. However, that is not happening. So, as much as climate crisis is urgent. It would absolutely stupid to put that as the front and centre focus in Singapore. We should do what we can but definitely not at the expense of tanking the economy. No point if the planet is nice and cool, but the country is having a civil war because the economy tanked.

[@stagerchannel]

I don't feel this debating was fruitful. It was like last time my boss would tell us to come out with ideas to help company save electricity but then his room was always the coldest and he often left office without switching off his room aircon....

[@StormyMusic9]

I absolutely hate carbon tax. Edit: I learn in school that carbon tax is very good and is a market solution to reduce emissions. But now that I am an adult, I learn that there is this thing called Game Theory. If saving the world needs all the countries to combine effort, there will always be a Freeloader that does nothing. There will be countries that will continue to burn coal for their own economic benefit at the expense of other countries. Why are we the suckers that stop burning to subsidize those that will continue to do so and screw us over? U think COP22 and Paris climate agreement will work? Rubbish. Trump pulled out so easily. Anyone can pull out. They dont even get SANCTIONS! And even if countries who dont participate in carbon tax gets sanctioned, they dont bloody work. Look at Russia right now. Sanctioned by everyone, Moscow still has lots of food and retail goods. They are even getting the new iPhones in soon through China. Wtf is the point on fighting climate change??? Climate change effects are decades away. Nuclear war is a real possibility tomorrow with all the tensions like China-Taiwan, US-China, Russia-EU, US-Russia, NK-SK. If a bomb explodes, we might all go into nuclear winter, why u be worried about global warming? More like global freezing. So seriously, just screw the carbon tax. Let the industries generate more jobs and profits for locals. We are such a small country it hardly matters on global emission. As long as china keeps emitting and indonesia keeps burning their forests i think we can just fk it, srsly.

[@lionki7264]

As big of an issue climate change is, it has been over-exaggerated by climate alarmists and there are many bigger issues like child malnourishment and poverty that just get ignored

[@kitty2527]

This carbon tax is a scam lah! China, Latin America and other poor countries cannot be bother. So yes screw it. It does nothing for the common ppl.

[@ben585]

Jamus is very eloquent and I do not like how grace speaks. His points are valid to a certain extent, but climate change cannot be pegged on economic outlook if we still want singapore to be habitable for future generations

[@merrilllee4878]

Why Speaker of Parliament so biased and not stop Grace going on a damn rant? why didn't WP not point out Speaker's biases? Also how hard is it to take a constructive criticism?

[@chuak.c7349]

Because speaker can give yellow or red card.

[@benjaminfong1]

To be honest, what Grace says makes sense. The end goal in mind is to guide the economy towards a sustainable one, notwithstanding keeping the economic reality of businesses in mind. Jamus is asking for flexibility in changing the range of carbon pricing, Grace is saying changing the range might confuse businesses and mislead them from the ultimate sustainability goal in mind. A carbon tax is similar to other taxes in structure but much different in purpose. While other taxes are levied on revenues or costs of goods like cigarettes, in order to reduce negative externalities like health risks from smoking, a carbon tax is levied on a byproduct that has almost zero economic value to begin with. Its less of a tax and more of introducing a new 'cost of production' into the market, pricing something which didn't have a price to reduce its production. Pricing carbon is also not a market driven price mechanism, largely relying on government mandates to set the price, so likening it to interest rate pricing being subject to economic fluctuations is somewhat of a strawman fallacy in my view. Lastly, Singapore is aiming to create Climate Impact X carbon trading market for voluntary carbon credit trading. Carbon tax can be offset by carbon credits traded here but the new market needs stability. The carbon credits themselves are aimed at being market priced robustly but if the carbon tax range varies according to economic vicissitudes the value of credits might drop or rise too, adding another element of uncertainty, one that is unrelated to the demand for carbon credits due to overproduction of carbon or a corresponding supply by underproducing firms. Hence, to reduce non-market fluctuations in the budding carbon credit market, the carbon tax should also not be allowed to vary too much.

[@SK-ps2ps]

Just reading your comment alone has taught me quite a fair bit! Thank you!

[@jertan2171]

Why is she looking impatiently and having no courtesy to sit down for Jamus to speak? Are you aware of the way she gaslight may make Jamus confuse or undercut him in furtherance of her own position?

[@BomBomm12345]

this condescending posture is exactly why PAP lost seats... as "smart" as they are.. they just dont realise it

[@aprilsim7604]

I like that you have "smart" in quotation. Is it synonymous with "one-dimensional"? Nimbleness in taking down an opposition MP but not in critical thinking & solution. Sigh! That makes her job easy...problem "solved" for now - just raise the tax - never mind potential consequence(s)

[@CringeBasedDuality]

How is it that Grace Fu can ask a question when she is supposed to be answering Jamus Lim's questions?

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@CringeBasedDuality]

@@scbchong6964 irrelevant. when a question is raised in parliament, it's supposed to be answered directly. not avoiding it by asking questions back to the person who initially asked the questions. You think pap very good at solving problems? lol. look the way they handled covid says it all.

[@scbchong6964]

@@CringeBasedDuality Citizen, without the PAP govt's policies on education, housing, jobs, defence, water and Foreign Direct Investments, you will likely be a construction worker in Malaysia or Middle East now. And your mother and sisters will be servants or bar hostess in those countries. btw what industry you working in? Are you a top problem-solver in your company or industry? Or probably you still in school and suckling from your parents' teats rent-free, right?

[@CringeBasedDuality]

@@scbchong6964 irrelevant again. you sark LHL cork got swallow or not?

[@iasyama1999]

@@scbchong6964 did PAP pay you?, they your relative? why are you copy pasting your comment in every single thread

[@basictutorials8513]

Despite the media only showing Grace's impatience and Jamus patiently explaining, I thought Grace made some good sense in terms of bringing certainty to the businesses after watching this (Thanks TOC). This will create a downstream ripple of businesses working towards this carbon issue more seriously and with clarity. Jamus as suggested is proposing a way similar to how interest rates are managed, however, the vision of the carbon issue is something different and hence the importance of driving clear certainty to greatly reduce carbon emission is highly emphasized. However, I thought Grace could be more patient to explain and see if Jamus might have something better to compliment this plan forward

[@halfbottleofwater]

Hahahaha no point explaining here.... Most Singaporean commenting here are too narrow-minded and doesn't had that vision. I agree with you... what Jamus suggesting is like telling the businesses hey look... the economy is bad so I indirectly allow your businesses to emit more carbon.. Jamus keep mentioning about flexibility but didn't explain the system toward flexibility and balancing it... If Jamus wants flexibility, then he should suggest to follow China's idea.... Carbon credits.... Where every citizen is issued with limited carbon credits and they can sell their carbon credits to businesses who need it to emit more carbon...it benefit both the citizen and businesses..

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@basictutorials8513]

@@halfbottleofwater haha without this comment, you wouldnt have shared your invaluable insights too! I felt that if they are really serious in solving the issue, a private convo between them could be more meaningful and in depth, but ya, couldnt comment much haha

[@basictutorials8513]

@@scbchong6964 hmm pros and cons bro, I agree totally, but I thought that flexibility however does act like a good valve to ensure the pressure isnt too high, there is certainly a global-specific, industry-specific, and process-specific which have to be carefully understood and ensure it does not kill businesses too, esp when the change is abrupt, 2 cents thought though haha, cheers!

[@scbchong6964]

@@basictutorials8513 Remember that minister needs to face the foreign investors and corporate planners, and Jamus does not. Ministers cannot blame Opposition for policy failures. But Opposition supporters think that everything that comes out of Opposition's mouth is gold.

[@MarcusJFox]

Grace is losing her temper 😷😷

[@vlogkylee7382]

Speaker no patience at all. Time to change next better player. 😆 🤣 😂

[@AK8901]

He thinks his job is to make the opposition feel like they are on unfriendly ground

[@bruhbro1181]

@@AK8901 speaker is from PAP lol, what do u expect Next time speaker and president should not be affiliated to any political party

[@ashunknown9728]

Put independence speaker who is not from pap or WP or any political party

[@jimbaranresidence8]

End of the day.... tiny island does not contribute anything but jus on paper to satisfy the world organisation, its tooooo small as compare to the whole world, i assume its jus another making$ fm govt.

[@acheeyk]

$$$$$$ carbon tax from citizen + GST Our Lawrence left it out carbon tax is on the citizens too.

[@ttkoh123]

Getting more ungraceful and unruly these days. Literally like bang table to demand attention and stand up when the other speak. Are the 4G the only option to bring Singapore forward?

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@ttkoh123]

You won't find the ugly bang table scene in CNA. You have to watch from neutral platform.

[@scbchong6964]

@@ttkoh123 Actually shown on Mediacorp Channel 5 News at 9pm. The issue is highly paid Prof Jamus produce shoddy work. He is an adult, well-educated, elected MP hor. They are debating policy which will affect SG reputation as stable, progressive economy. Jamus is posturing to display his own vain intellect and offering different, but not better.

[@rolandyeo6311]

Dis-Grace-Fool typifies PAP elitist attitude towards the people. They think they know best and any attempt to engage them in meaningful discussions is treated with scorn and disdain.

[@大龄青年20世纪80后]

I think the simple answer to James Lim will be, we have choice to adjust the interest rate upward and downward based on the economic condition. but we don't have a choice on fixing the climate issue but putting our best effort. Because we know it will not be feasible for all human kind to live on earth if we don't fix the problem.

[@GeorgeOw]

😂economic priority will supersede climate priority. Can you don’t eat for few days? 🤣👏

[@StormyMusic9]

George is correct la. Also we dont know the true impact of global warming. I would suggest we focus purely on the economy and use the extra profits to build seawalls around our island. Just in case

[@bryanboi]

And you think the carbon footprint of sg has an impact on the global scale? This is like you asking your kid to have 1 less sweet per day because it goes into helping him save up to build a space shuttle. Totally ridiculous

[@GeorgeOw]

@@bryanboi Hi, thanks for your comment. Yes, in theory is right, but not in practical term. The fact is SG gov is doing it for strategic reasons, not practical reasons. To put it into "top priority" I think it is becoming political. Having said, it doesn't mean we don't care. Even if SG turn 100% into Green, the surrounding countries will affect SG in one or another way. Please be informed that SG Domestic Gov National Debt Mountain is >100% of GDP. We WILL NOT be able to repay it in our generation.

[@kmwongeworldusa]

i saw in the afternoon,still necessary lights on ground floor arround block 15 lorong 8 . ......is town council going to pay for carbon tax?

[@kingqueen2859]

Hello, then come clean on what other measures that you will be taking should economic conditions turn bad? What do you mean by "other" measures?

[@kashsingh4623]

She does't have a Plan B.

[@acheeyk]

Give you CDC voucher .... again $100 is a very big sum. We are all small eater ..

[@charlesm8529]

Her confrontational tone as opposed to MP Jamus's objective one is akin to kopi tiam auntie saying want to buy buy don't want get lost, as opposed to a professional communicating to another like Mp Jamus, damn malu

[@scbchong6964]

No, it is not a Meet-the-People session. Jamus is turning in shoddy work and did not research and survey any corporations needs before giving his flaky clunky suggestion. Just because they "oppose" does not mean they have the better solution, hor.

[@kitty2527]

Pls remember you are a politician because you want to serve Singapore regardless of PAP OR OPPOSITION. Duty of care should be to Singaporeans and alternative views are important. Even AI can reject your views. One of the best quality a poliitcian should have is accord basic respect and williingness to listen to others and know our pain.

[@machoranchu3197]

Speaker, be patient and listen.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@ashunknown9728]

Yes

[@noelrobinson2307]

Its very annoying that TCJ keeps interrupting Jamus but i dont see him doing that to other PAP members. Speaker of Parliament and any independent committee of enquiry should be neutral parties and definitely not from the ruling party. I think this is common sense and logical.

[@AliBaba-vw7mo]

Goodness me the speaker should be fired!

[@Ianlee1977]

God bless the opposition for arguments like this.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@johnnyquest6894]

@@scbchong6964 ????

[@elson4120]

bro the english standard between grace and jamus is substantial to make me side with jamus

[@slacker2747]

I can clearly see myself getting replies like this from MPs like this person, if I go to the MP for help. We go to MP with problem and MP send us back home with the same problem telling us to settle it ourself with an empathetic tone.😅

[@windydragon6522]

MP may ask you to imagine yourself as an mp and solve problem yourself.

[@slacker2747]

@@windydragon6522 😂😂😂

[@jamilatanbinselamathardajo2626]

where is the heated exchange?

[@isaacozil1268]

Prof Jamus👍👍👍👍👍

[@leexianlong6855]

First, JL's suggestion to allow the free market more scope to decide how much to price carbon is more sensible than PAP's hardcore interventionist approach. It is very likely that PAP's carbon tax would fail to reduce the negative impact of carbon and unintentionally creates more problem than it is trying to solve for businesses and consumers. Second, GF was not graceful at all by interrupting fellow MPs while it was their turn to speak. Lastly, TCJ is the most biased and stupid speaker in Singapore's history. He would abuse his position and press on opposition MPs to make their point quickly, with intent to deny opposition MPs any real opportunity to make speak fully. But he'll allow unruly and disruptive behavior by PAP MPs, such as disgraceful GF. A PAP majority Parliament is just a clown show.

[@chuengminliow8823]

free market more scope to decide how much to price carbon is more sensible

[@scbchong6964]

Highly-paid Prof Jamus can only come up with wider band instead of something better? And he forgot corporate planners need fixed cost for a couple of business cycles to gauge progress. Blind Opposition cult supporters give too much credit for such mediocre performance.

[@cz287cj]

@@scbchong6964 is mp salary too high?

[@scbchong6964]

@@cz287cj Do you earn more than $17k per month? That is what Jamus, Pritam and Opposition MPs are being paid for talking cock and delivering nothing better. WP in Hougang for 15 years already and still nothing better delivered.

[@cz287cj]

@@scbchong6964with pap in control of the parliament, what u expect those few oppositon to do? they duin have the resources such as pap who control all the minstry. how about those taking tax payers money despite absence from the parliament? are they better than wp? what makes u think that their idea won't work but pap would?

[@davidbobberdi965]

We should encourage innovation to improve the “climate” problem. Carbon tax is to discourage consumption and not the best way to encourage improvement to the current “problem” in the long run but only increased cost of doing business which will be bear by consumers. Who benefits?

[@lwsiew5055]

Agree. Already heard from news that Petrochemical MNCs withdrawing their operation from here.... are our policies enabling business competitiveness globally?

[@zahidallapitchay9366]

Furthermore We suggesting that we don't need a Minister for Sustainability and Environment INCOMPETENT REDUNDANCY OVERPRICED UNDERPERFORMED UNPROFESSIONAL

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@zahidallapitchay9366]

@@scbchong6964 Likewise our current Government too INCOMPETENT Poaching for answers from Opposition blatantly It's only obvious We need The Opposition for checks & balance Or else it's just purely redundant We need a 50/50 mandate in Parliament House so as Our voices from The Citizens can be heard Right now all policies isn't in e best interests of The fellow Singaporean Nevertheless Our Speaker of Parliament needs to be Neutral ain't BIAS. I'm stating only the obvious MAJULAH SINGAPURA 🇸🇬

[@scbchong6964]

@@zahidallapitchay9366 Citizen, if 50/50 in Parliament, nothing will get done. What makes you think Opposition so holy and truthful and never talk propaganda? The problem is PAP govt have always been working to make your life easy and comfortable, so you think Opposition is just as good. btw what industry you work in, or you still in school?

[@zahidallapitchay9366]

@@scbchong6964 It's only obvious You've been brainwashed by PAP Metricory ethnicities Neither u may not be smart either to put a blind eye on matters that involved People's lives in Singapore 🇸🇬 Enquiring someone's status doesn't put u in a better light My Friend It only signifies your Immaturity Ain't Self Dependent Opportunist Power Monger Likely u need a full health check too soon Wanna act GUNGHO equals to your Overpaid Underperformed Redundant PAP 4G MINISTERS Mind u We ain't running a Circus too Your assumptions will only end up u being a Total Lame ASSHOLE la Bro Definitely u ain't The Voice of The People's Likely u an CECA IMMIGRANTS validated Fake Degrees 🙄

[@scbchong6964]

@@zahidallapitchay9366 You kiss Jamus and Pritam's arse but have they shared their high salary with you? All Opposition MPs are taking double salary but never delivered anything better for 15 years now. Do you earn more than $17k per month? Have WP built any welfare hospitals, orphanage or schools in Hougang or Aljunied? Have WP given you high-paying job so far? Have Opposition built you better low-cost housing? Has any MNC open in Hougang or Aljunied and hired more singaporeans at high pay? It sounds like you don't pay any income tax, property tax and never work before that's why can point finger and blame govt so easy.

[@williamwu7783]

If you don't know how to answer the question stop re questioning the question via the the speaker.

[@00Nobody99]

Should choose the Speaker from a non Party person to remove biasness.

[@cecacecaratssteal1395]

with reference to CECA and FTs can we still trust PAP ??

[@CCPChina]

PAP losing next year. PAP keep taxing the common people of Singapore so that they can buy private property and cars. Do you know PAP use our money to fill in their own pocket? There are so many poor people in Singapore yet PAP choose to neglect but overburden the people with heavy taxes. I really dislike corrupt authoritarian government like PAP.

[@ashunknown9728]

Pap no longer for people I guess un like lky,Time

[@aprilsim7604]

NOPE! Heaven forbid!

[@maadeshkumar7620]

We can see how their dominant, ruling mindset comes to the forefront when she slowly stops sitting down and doesn't feel the kind of pressure that the non ruling class would feel while using the mic. No-one would question her if she stayed there and infact no-one did except when pritam brought it up. Someone from the opposition however, have to act very carefully as each of their move is watched like a hawk by PAP. Sad reality

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@maadeshkumar7620]

@@scbchong6964 i was referring to parliamentary ethics within the setting. How is anything you're saying explains why Grace Fu refuses to wait her turn?

[@scbchong6964]

@@maadeshkumar7620 Not "ethics" but "etiquette". But it's streamed live and documented anyway so minister got nothing to hide. It's more revealing of the poor quality of Opposition's solutions. You are more concerned with wayang and rhetoric. That just shows Opposition got no substance and just empty vessels. Just because they point finger and blame govt does not mean they can deliver anything better or superior. What work do you do? Do you pay any income tax or property tax? Or you still in school and living rent-free with parents? Don't you know that majority do NOT want Opposition around?

[@chuengminliow8823]

Good job Fight on.

[@sadizm]

i like the current way of parliament more debates, heated even better, wakes up both sides and strive for the best ideas

[@harisomakantan6168]

Singaporeans -pls watch our minister's statement at 8.25 of this clip, she says, I quote; "Reduce efficiency". People now you know how she got her ministership LoL! for all intent and purpose, she is there as a minister to reduce efficiency!😆🤣😆😅

[@1ZZFE]

This Grace Fu obviously lost it. She does not even know what she herself is talking about. Who is she trying to convince?

[@anglo-saxonconnor817]

Singapore parliamentary debates are silly to watch. Attitude and unnecessary emotions not withstanding the objective point is just how much difference Singapore can made in the world by doing a carbon emission tax to begin with. It's a waste of time but at the very least it does provide a glimpse at how the ruling party representatives present themselves in the face of questioning by another equal mp that is send in by the citizens themselves. Grace fu is overly defensive and rude and the laughter from her party consorts show a lack of professionalism and manner.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. He forgot that corporations need a fixed cost over several business cycles to measure effectiveness. SG Opposition is not that great at solving problems, hor.

[@richieng493]

Kindly stop knocking the podium top. The sound is really irritating.

[@ednateo3260]

Nonsense co2 tax la. We should tax govt who keep giving pofma and restrict freedom of speech .

[@eileenstacie]

Grace Fu is so rude. Arms crossed, and interruption too. Wow! not cool. I don't know, but I don't think Grace fu understood Jamus's point. He said if there is flexibility (some degree of freedom to the change), and then Grace fu's reply is, "we have to change.". Okay! lady, I know we have to change, he asked if there is a degree of flexibility to the change...

[@lolzao]

The focus here is not about how MP should carry themselves. That is a separate topic on its own. The main focus of this video should be the carbon tax.

[@ninonakano8131]

well it is disgraceful for how ms fumis carrying herself considering her prestige in singapore's political scene

[@jerryteo4972]

Disgusting behaviour by Grace..🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@dchua2323]

Why can’t Ms Fu just agree that these milestones could be revisited if the situation warrants it, like another pandemic? As to what kind of situation warrants a revisit is another matter.

[@scbchong6964]

Actually it is highly-paid Prof Jamus who is turning in shoddy work. Would you hire a worker who point finger, blame you, make excuses and yet cannot deliver better?

[@acheeyk]

Grace Xi in the making...

[@scbchong6964]

@@acheeyk Why you demonise the minister when it is Opposition MP who is turning in poor quality work? Can have double standard for Opposition? Just because they oppose does not mean they are superior and right, hor.

[@acheeyk]

@@scbchong6964 that your bias views.i did not demonised ,GST increase is due to older n pioneer generation. So what message they are passing to our children ????? They demonised the pioneers.

[@scbchong6964]

@@acheeyk The message is: "SG got no natural resources to sell. And everything must be paid for. Do not consume and spend and borrow, and expect younger generation to pay." btw foreigners living in SG also pay GST, hor. And daily living costs are very low in SG, while lifestyle costs are high. So why should taxpayers subsidise those singaporeans who like to buy expensive goods? Shouldn't those who can afford more, pay more in GST? So you retired, working or still in school and living rent-free with parents?

[@cranteri]

I thought we are HAVING covid-19, what does she mean if we are getting it again? ‘We are not blind…’ indeed. Second, imagine Jamus were to question her like herself, will she be able to provide the answer to her own questions?

[@frostyphish7149]

Yo Grace Fu is like a typical woman boss at work in finance hahaha

[@mkiatan]

Rude and arrogant

[@bangzhi]

Hahah 2nd from a finance dude

[@chuak.c7349]

Vote her out in next g.e.

[@banhoetoh9891]

@@chuak.c7349 good

[@coolsnow89]

The main point is at 7.2 though. Ppl dont see the big picture and just dislike PAP just cause of the attitude and Jamus theory sounds great to be flexible but might not be feasible in real world terms. I find that he is more suitable to be a lecturer than a politician. I believe carbon tax is there to encourage people to use greener energy,there shld not be a variable like interest rate just cause of the economy situation. When there are economic downturn the government funding shld seperately come in when needed.

[@mattw6922]

3:20 that condescending smirk. Come on PAP, I’m sure you can find better ministers

[@doraemxn1037]

We can replace this speaker. We can get a programme AI. This speaker role is just holding a stopwatch.. set a 10sec on unwelcome party. End of each year.. submit a report on how many hrs wasted just on unwelcome parties giving their speech. AI can give the results immediately on every debate .

[@ashunknown9728]

Speaker suggest neutral person

[@doraemxn1037]

@@ashunknown9728 useless. Human still draw salary from the Gov and gov belongs to..

[@ngcy21]

I don't understand why so many comments pilloried Grace Fu. Her explanation is very clear and sound. Adjustment of interest rates is for economic reasons, and naturally it would follow macroeconomic trends. The rationale for imposition of carbon tax has nothing to do with the economy. It is to impose a financial cost on companies for the damage they inflict on the environment. Allowing carbon tax rates to be adjusted downwards sends a wrong signal to the businesses that environmental goals are secondary to business, which is something that the climate change advocates have been fighting against for decades. Which is the precise reason why humankind is facing this problem in the first place. Do the commentators understand this? I wish people would apply their mind more before making silly disparaging comments like Grace not acting gracefully under pressure. That's a wrong read. She wasn't under pressure. She was just frustrated at the lack of consistency in Jamus Lim's questioning. Btw kudos to Jamus for his efforts. It is not easy to put together sound and fully fleshed out policy objections without resources.

[@kaliyaperumaldeepan85]

Look what we voted for. Arrogant person with the ability not even accept any feedback. Why even raise carbon tax constantly with no data. If carbon emission are high it seems right to tax higher for the year. If low vice versa. Not based on projection. On the other hand, Jamus comparison might be not right. He shouldn’t have base it on interest rates. I think that portion should be corrected. He did had very valid point.

[@troywho1627]

pls tell her stop using toilet paper to save the earth🤣😂🤣😂👍🇸🇬💪

[@aprilsim7604]

@@troywho1627 tell her to go one further...stop emitting hot air

[@jasminelee841]

Why grace tone is sound like fighting with people. Thought she should present herself well to be in the parliament? Her tone should lower or calm even though she wish to convey her message across

[@abdullahmuhsin7339]

If this was the House of Commons in the UK. Mr. Lim and his colleagues would be going crazy and trashing the others in their words

[@a.jz19]

“This is prime ministers questions, not leader of the oppositions questions”

[@chuak.c7349]

I don't understand why this type of attitude, behaviour are capable of being minister.i think pap selection of office holders got a big problem.how to trust them to rule singapore in the future?

[@ashunknown9728]

I see complains but come to voting polls,pap always,win 80 percent of the votes even they are doing horrible job?

[@vincelim1745]

Grace , 2022 coming to the end. You really dont know how to tackle James Lim at all. You thinking is old fashion yet you claim to be in business.

[@kaidollarsense]

What a disgrace...

[@upland77]

What country is this?

[@caialan9491]

If jamus could come up with the exact figure, he will be the minister.

[@acheeyk]

He is giving G f...face.

[@troywho1627]

NO!!they will find a way to get him out of the parliment🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🇸🇬💪

[@acheeyk]

When coe for cars was call for,the reasons we had a cost to maintained,building flyovers,widen the road etc. Then why are we paying for road tax which tax on engine capacity of the build of the vehicle,erp etc now carbon tax on ????? Electrical vehicle coe is same as normal car?????? Carbon tax ?????

[@kegy5794]

Reminds me of how your teacher gives you a specific topic on a general issue for you to respond to and you write a personal response about what you did this morning.

[@dwahia]

5:20 Workers Party 👏🏻👍🏻🙏🏻

[@ireneho848]

Jamus is v highly brilliant. Speaks v v well - easy to understand and follow. Kudos to you..

[@CringeBasedDuality]

Tan Chuan Jin is a typical paper general who parachuted into a GRC

[@hatchegg80]

heated? we should have more robust debates. i just see one ill-tempered woman with a one track mind

[@joshgates]

Grace Fu won this. From this clip, Jamus Lim is not providing an alternative, but rather a minor amendment that does not seem to improve what was already suggested. Making carbon tax variable like interest rate is not the best practice considering the objective of this law is to protect the planet. But Grace Fu and PAP (laughing in the bg) should still be respectful and not debate with a condescending tone like everyone else's points are nonsensical and irrelevant. The point of a debate is to make something better, and this debate certainly does not take advantage of it.

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Charging 5cts, 10cts for Plastic bags, now 2 things happened: 1) even some hawkers are charging 5cts for plastic bags, on top of 20cts for take away. 2) we still have to go buy our own plastic bags to line our rubbish bins to dispose off food waste into the chutes, so maybe there’s not much saving in the use of plastic bags, but more inconveniences. Actually saving plastic bags cannot save the planet, we need them. To save the planet, we need to ban UNDESIRABLE plastics that don’t last, because they become toxic, sticky, moldy or easily crack, forcing us to throw away big sofa, furniture, gadgets etc prematurely. Very wasteful and environmentally unfriendly.

[@phongy45]

so true, govt change policies here and there.. how businesses plan? .. speaker is so bias?

[@Bagonbagon777]

Grace was always incompetent anyway

[@Drumminz777]

Just sit down for good.

[@upland77]

This is a "heated" exchange? Seems like a lively discussion, at worst

[@miny2751]

Frankly this is ridiculous. The way Grace Fu puts things across is clearly evident of how the government is always looking at things from their ivory tower with no regards of the ground sentiments. Despite the economic downturn and increasing cost of living, the government is imposing the hike in the carbon tax. Raising the carbon tax sharply amidst such situation will eventually hit hard on all the consumers. Does this bother the ministers with million dollar salary package? Not at all.

[@martinlee7102]

One question how is having carbon tax going to help with stopping climate change?

[@acheeyk]

You go asked her if it is worth it. Use your ballot votes.

[@aprilsim7604]

It does not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJqul4qajb2Zf9U Here's a good discussion about "climate change" that is not hysterical, or as justification for extreme measures (again)