Heavy Arrow Penetration Foam vs Dumpster!

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

The sad part is... so many people are going to miss the point of this video, Troy... and those are the people with the "valid comments" and will ridicule you over your form. For the record, this video is pure archery gold. This channel has it all. Valid content. Valuable information. Thought provoking material. And now a heavy dose of satire. Thank you for the video, Troy. Keep up the great work. This video needs to go viral.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

I’m sorry and then again I’m not! If you cannot see thee significance and purpose of this video then please put away your archery equipment until you can understand the whole process and realize the purpose of the video. Thank you

[@jordanrichardson3286]

It’s funny to see all the little clips about “oh you don’t need a heavy arrow, this mega meat went thru this 250lb deer and stuck in the dirt.” (As the broadhead is laying there mangled.) I’m 5 for 5 on heavy arrows and single bevel broadheads. The deer’s reaction to getting shot with a super sharp head and heavy arrows are totally different than with a light arrow and an expandable head. The 5 said deer only made it 30 to 40 yards, stood there looking around trying to figure out what happened until they fell over. Companies and their PAID affiliates are literally scrambling to make you look like a quack so people won’t stop buying their rattle traps.

[@davidholliday2703]

LMAO! Troy, I get it. Get ready for the shade you know is coming your way. This is gonna be gooood!

[@tolt1776]

"Ooh we got REVERSE penetration" 😂😅 the dust don't fall far from the fairy tree! MORE VIDEOS WITH CALEB!

[@piedpython1]

Once more the Ranch Fairy hurts feeling!! News at 10!!! 😂😅😂

[@JamesSmullins]

The test defining the results is why I like Paul Harrell for ammo tests. He uses a meat target including bone, skin, lung tissue simulation that shows what happens when bullets hit bone vs soft tissue. It's no different with arrows, living things aren't consistent and those differences must be accounted for and that means weight should be high and broad head design must be sharp and strong.

[@theroncorbett7991]

I have a stack of three square foam Morrell Yellow Jack targets ratchet strapped together. I shoot 517, 620 and 710 grain arrows. What I see is all three arrow weights penetrate roughly the same at the yardages I shoot. What I also see is if I shoot the 620 and 710 grain arrows at the top target from 40 yards and in the target tips over backwards. The 517 gets it to teeter a bit. Anecdotally the mass is delivering more energy at impact right? Enough to push the target over. This tells me the foam is really good at catching arrows regardless of speed and mass.

[@bobbytables4305]

Baseball mit is a great analology here. The ball's mass is roughly equivalant, the imparted energy from a pitch and the direction of change is variable and YET for some reason you can still catch a baseball SAFELY moving at varied speeds without having tho change out to different "specialized" mits. The difference here is we change the variable from the imparting platform to the projectile mass and SUPRISE the resaults are the same. IT's as if Physics is math and not MAGIC.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Exactly! You get it! I like the idea of the “tip over”test. Targets are for catching arrows and that’s All!

[@drewsroo]

I have 2 deer down with a combined total of 0 yards tracking so far this year after snorting the dust. Never looking back. I don't need any more proof, but thanks for the belly laughs on this crappy Monday. 😂

[@guysavelli156]

I'm 2 deer lost cause the bow shop told me to stop sniffing. But here I am. Keep coming back for another ball

[@kingbronco6398]

Same here!!

[@bucksniper65]

You are still my favorite "quack" arrow guy out there.

[@RanchFairy]

I deal fairy dust! 🧚🧚‍♂🧚‍♀

[@adamcooper976]

I believe in speed as a good thing only in the sense that I can stack a heavier arrow behind it and still have satisfactory residual speed (trajectory).

[@manbearpig8971]

I think some feelings are gonna get hurt with this one😂😅😢 Thank you, Ranch Fairy. I shoot adult arrows now 2 for 3 hog buck and missed a doe. Haven't left an arrow in the animal to this point. Hog ran 30yrds, and the buck ran 70yrds. Last I heard, the doe was still running.

[@kentonward97]

Love the sarcasm!!

[@mr.Mikeyboy]

Shot a doe last week aimed for shoulder purposely got 250 arrow 200 rf 3 blade blew threw both shoulder blades and 5 inches in ground at 27 yards ..doe ran like 20 feet and balled up ! Thanks bro!

[@davidbright1489]

575-585gr 23% foc 6.5mm diameter 28.5” long 60lb bow 20yrds. Vs my buddies 430ish gr, looooowwww foc 4mm 30” long 70lb bow. Both were within 1” penetration. He swaps to a 615gr 24% foc 5mm 30” long and guess what…. Same results within 1” or so. Difference is the doe shot with the 430gr arrow ran off with it and had trash penetration only hitting ribs, big boy arrow (same broadhead) on big buck was a pass thru even hitting leg bone on exit. He gave all the light weigh arrows away lol

[@gilbertsmith8595]

Great y'aaaaall killing me.... thanks for the fun. Good luck on the hunt

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Hey Troy Thanks for the tribute to the great John Belushie I’m sure I will be one of the few to catch that!! Sat. Night live …and of course the classic “Animal House “!!!!!! Love it. Hate aging my self but that’s too cool!!

[@RanchFairy]

Oh someone is paying attention.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

@@RanchFairy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@BFSJAKE]

You should do a graph showing Arrow speed starts high goes low and arrow weight starts low gets high. Sweet spot in the middle which is probably @ 500-550gr.

[@RanchFairy]

Long range arrow performance playlist on my channel. Ran it out to 60 with Momentum and KE.

[@woalmann6288]

The shield on the big boar dumpster is incredible

[@Blessedoutdoorsman]

Can you shoot some water jugs with different grain arrows but w the same broadhead at 30 yards or so and see if there is more penetration at distance bc other vids show point blank they penetrate the same amount

[@nootnuh]

Tim Conner just did this test on his KZbin channel at 20 yds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/al6bZ3yQn5iIZ5Isi=6q5Y-MTimifjBQ9f He used 400, 600, 800 gr arrows with varying weights of the same broadheads. Water jugs look like the best arrow penetration test media that is cheap and widely available. The heavier arrows penetrated further than the lighter arrows.

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Great video guys. Whom knew an arrow would struggle with dumpsters…….

[@RanchFairy]

I WAS SHOCKED. If foam shows penetration certainly a dumpster should??????

[@chrisruzsa2798]

@@RanchFairy lmfao right?!?!

[@davemeise2192]

I like your philosophy Troy. What I don't get is that so many of us bought into the speed is king concept without considering the basics of where archery came from. Especially recently. And we argue it without thinking it through. For example, during the 1950's and 60's all anyone had to shoot were stick bows or recurves. By today's standards, those old wood or aluminum arrows fired from those old, ancient bows were heavy and slow. Many hunters got complete pass throughs on deer and sometimes even on moose. Most were using three or four blade broad heads instead of two blade, single bevel ones. Where did the penetration come from if it wasn't from mass? I've seen videos of light, fast arrows actually bouncing off deer or penetrating two or three inches. WTF??? Do you want to kill an animal, wound it or scare the hell out of it? I believe the lighter is better concept came from the pros who were shooting paper during competition and needed the flattest trajectory possible in order to minimize arrow deviations on their target grouping. Somehow their success on paper translated to success while hunting? It should never have been as hunting is vastly different from target shooting.

[@garyhalverson5607]

great video, once again! Thanks,,,,

[@shanedennis1487]

Funny story. I’m a noob at all of this. I’m 54 and hunted all my life, 90% of that hunting with a firearm. About 12 years ago, I dusted off my oldest son’s compound now and decided I was going to be a bow hunter. That didn’t exactly work out due to the severe keratuconis in my right eye. Literally couldn’t see the target because my sight pin “starbursts” to the point I couldn’t acquire the target. So much for that idea. 6 years ago, my dad gave me his crossbow, Excalibur Axiom…..he bought that thing new in 2010 and shot it twice, nearly taking off one of his thumbs. I hunted with that for the past few years, and was accidentally shooting a higher FOC bolt/broadhead combo. I’ll have to check the weights, can’t remember off the top of my head. This past spring, my doctor gave me a choice, either a cornea transplant, or a scleral lens for my worsening eye. Despite never having good results with contacts, I gave it a shot, and holy hell, I can see. Not 20/20……but definitely good enough to try that new fangled vertical bow. Now, I’m still experimenting……I bought a budget compound. And was really lost when it came to arrow set up. A lot of searching on KZbin led me to T-bone, and Troy’s channels. This got me pointed in the right direction…….I decided to start “small”……. I’m shooting a 28”, 300 spine arrow, with a hundred grain insert, and 150 grain field point. My draw weight at 29” is right at 65 pounds. I struggled for awhile with arrow flight…….Troy’s bare shaft and nock tuning got me flying straight. And my accuracy just from that alone really improved. I was outside on thanksgiving day shooting, and my son in law came up and was watching……he’s a flapper speed freak, was not exactly on board with my set up……until I got a little too cocky and tried to show off at 40 yards. First couple shots smacked the bag target right where I was aiming. But, the final shot I took…….lets just say I sailed that one. Unfortunately, my backstop was a real nice heavy duty garage door. I buried that arrow to the fletching in that door. The inset and tip did not stop for another 50 or 60 feet inside the garage. My son in laws new arrows, inserts, and field points delivered yesterday. By the way, other than destroyed fletching, the arrow was not even cracked.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Watched the video Crazy how the obvious can be misleading Great job 👍🏻

[@shane-3170]

The foam target i shoot gets 7.5 inches of penetration with even the heaviest arrows with field points!😂 Great dumpster shot Caleb! Thats a dumpster of a life time. I want to know who this guru is thats taken all the animals with his bow so I can get his autograph.! Keep the great TRUTHFULL videos coming Troy. #The science dont lie! Love youre videos to hell with the nay sayers!

[@dragonlord4401]

I gotta say your videos are great, I've been shooting compound bow for 40 years now and I will gladly admit I still have things I can learn. I am currently working on a broadhead design and would like to get your feedback on it as it is in part based on something you mentioned in one of your videos. Narrow penitrates better, I got the idea when I was sharpening my new set of mechanical broadheads, one of the blades happened to fall into a spot that caught my eye with the profile of it. If you would be willing to give me your input drop me a line to send pictures of the 3d printed model. Thanks Dave

[@hddm3]

Pretty cool guys. We know what you’re saying. And thank you so much for the testing. Just remember there are around 15 million people with under 85 iq

[@cjherriman7226]

😂 so what you are saying is that my current set up will get the same results as my wife’s 😮. Good video

[@steelereels7500]

😂😂😂 keep it up Troy good stuff (728 grains single bev) just me lol

[@waynestevenson9613]

Gotta love the music!

[@sagrieff]

can you tell us who this is so we can watch their video?

[@nootnuh]

What the name of this famous archer misleading folks?

[@RanchFairy]

You think I am dumb enough to redirect you to a liar?

[@matthewkope6936]

Could you please review the beast expandable, not much said about it yet thanks for all your contribution to education

[@RanchFairy]

NOPE. It's an expandable. Nothing new the way it works and the angle of attack is still ridiculous.

[@W_and_K_Archery]

@@RanchFairyagh still stuck in your ways I see…even after you and Rocketman tested the VIP head but it foiled your agenda so you didn’t post the results….suprise suprise

[@RanchFairy]

@@W_and_K_Archery Howdy man. In a board, it performed quite well. However, never tested it on meat. I never posted the results on my channel. Why?? Because......... It was a private test for a company (you know that) and we delivered the results to the people requesting the test for their use. You're gonna have to get some better material man. So, on BOARDS at 10 feet it did pretty well. You made my point! Man I appreciate the clarification! The target Defines The test. I never tested it on adult targets.

[@W_and_K_Archery]

@@RanchFairy so are you going to do the equal momentum test we sent you? Replicate joels pvc test on meat / bone. You want to call folks out and call folks liars, prove it!

[@ericnewman971]

I saw the test. I also know that in a direct comparison in the same test media, the single bevel failed to compare to the VIP broadhead. @@RanchFairy

[@JohnSmith-zs6pm]

Haha! Great video. Which KZbinr: John Dudley, Levi Morgan, or Chris Bee? They all have the same unscientific tests on their channels.

[@highcountryadventures9606]

Probably mfjj

[@jnewsome025]

Dudley was so condescending to Troy during his podcast. It was disgusting. He talked down to him and basically said he's too stupid to understand real arrow testing. I love a lot of Dudley's stuff but that podcast was brutal. Dudley and these other target guys will not think outside the box. They're stuck in the box in a lot of ways

[@nootnuh]

Maybe Joel Maxfield from Matthew’s

[@tjb50cal]

love the sarcasm testing,

[@stick__shooter]

Foam is less consistent than ballistics gel. I can get different penetration from the same arrows based on where I hit a foam target. Even brand new they can have air pockets and inconsistencies.

[@african7498]

same with cardboard?

[@rabbitstabber8598]

I had seen a video on KZbin of a guy that put a rifle on a sled to demonstrate recoil and the gun moved different distances according to caliber I wonder if you could do the same to a target and see if there is a difference in arrow weight I think it would help prove that heavier arrows move the target further

[@richardleejagers6016]

I just love this !!

[@Koopwins]

Very fun video. Good luck with your rifle! Which one are you gonna be using? Should take the m1 Garand😉

[@Glaciershark]

Pretty cool stuff

[@mikeguy9668]

I just want the link to the shirt man

[@TheK2008]

Maybe they are hunting foam deer??? New species..

[@shawnstoner7867]

Id like to see a video of heavy arrow weight forward adult arrows like say 600-700 and 18-20% weight forward vs a few of those arrows you just used maybe and a few 450 475 gr twizzlers on that foam and diff objects like this n see which does better. I bet u set up a 700gr adult arrows 22% forward n you might punch into that dumpster. Maybe not but I did get better penetration than both my buddies on a McKenzie foam deer target when I went to the heavy setup vs their 475 gr normal setups like 4 yrs ago. I was getting 4-6 inches average more penetration than they were to the point I had to shoot a new spot on target cause the middle spot was no longer stopping my arrows but was theirs so I had my own spot to shoot on target. Just an idea to help sink your proof home for the thick skulled people out there. After seeing results first hand on the diff in not even arrow flight but how they hit the deer and how the deer reacts when u have an adult arrow setup I'll never stop pushing people to go heavy and cut on contact. Once you know somebody who says they watched the buck run off with the arrow sticking in his shoulder cause it didn't penetrate enough you'll understand why troy is 100% right n isn't saying this shit just because. It's cause he's ethical and cares about quick clean kills even in the face of adversity.

[@MrRourk]

You should do a test with a Manchu Bow and 2400 grain arrows sometime.

[@Caincando1]

My son, who is 12 now and I have shot hundreds of shots side by side into the foam targets over the past couple year. I always get more penetration than he does. But if he shoots one of my arrows, he gets the same penetration as he does with his own arrow that is 100 grains lighter. So if foam can't measure penetration and penetration is a factor of weight, then how can this be?

[@bobbytables4305]

Easy... you have different draw lengths and anchor points, thereby not imparting the same energy to the arrow. Get a Chrono if you don't believe me. Garantee his arrows are moving slower than yours. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpPcimRqd6qFrbs

[@Caincando1]

I believe you and this would imply that the bow dictates penetration not the arrow weight?@@bobbytables4305

[@droptine04]

😂😂😂

[@danny_the_K]

You will need the speed of your arrows, fired from your bow and the speed of his arrows, fired from his bow to make sense of your question… missing data will mislead you… just ask all of Troy’s naysayers…

[@RanchFairy]

I guess the target defines the test......

[@jayaldy7955]

Hey Troy where can I order the 200 grain single bevels? Says out of stock on the website

[@RanchFairy]

They sold out so fast we couldn't keep up.

[@MrZombieslayer409]

Will you do a review of the tooth of the arrow broadheads?

[@RanchFairy]

Sure. short Blunt Ok steel impossible to sharpen to an adult, hair popping, level. Good for cold butter spreading.

[@Sparky513]

Welp you convinced me to go up in weight, gradually but im gonna get there. Troy what do you think about this build- victory rip tko 300 spine 26", 50 grain titanium insert, 200 grain grizzly stick overkill samurai, 4 fletch Boeing X vanes, and standard nock. 510(ish)grain TAW and 23%FOC, shooting 70#s 260fps. Going up from 434grain 18%foc at 281fps, I noticed going up im getting better arrow flight, groups are tighter and really what's 20fps, Btw I had to turn my foam target sideways as I dang near passing through so had to turn it sideways and shoot the length 18" and still some stick out the other side now at 510 🤣 with a feildpoint btw, scared to try my broadheads. I'll be ordering the RF single bevels once there back in stock, unless you feel like sending me some samples you have laying around 🤣 Watching your good ole buddy ole pals JD (initials) and watch him hit a bunch of elk and not once have I seen 1 of his arrows go past maybe 10" of penitration and hearing him argue about your videos THAT HE EVEN SAID HE NEVER SEEN made me rethink everything about whatbhes said. He might be a great archer but his understanding of physics and math are wring lol, you learn both of these in like 6th grade. Idk but that podcast made me lose all respect for him and I used to think pretty highly of him, and it's not even that he argued uts how he went about it and tried to belittle you, he should be embarrassed. Claims to never see any videos and then proceed to tell you that your videos are bad. Sorry for rant, live your all your videos, if you ever visit sirius archery up id like to talk in person if you got time there 15 minutes from my house, I'll probably be going back to the appols here in the spring I have some buy there 350spine and out of them and the 300 spine rip tkos the tkos flew way better, gonna try the 250/300 Orions this spring though. Thanks again for all the info

[@RanchFairy]

hit me on email with questions or on insta

[@yvesbutel2322]

Penetration in foam first factor is a matter of arrow diameter and surface finish because the main physical phenomena involved is friction which isn't prépondérant in live animals ( lubrication by body fluids)

[@african7498]

I have been following the "debates"/attacks on youtube. It is pointless debating with fools. The down range KE and momentum are FACTS - not opinions. I don't care how good you can shoot or how many animals anyone has shot - FACTS are facts - the rest are merely opinions. Personally I maybe have shot less animals than the "gurus" - but over 25 years of commercial hunting on the game farm - more animals have been shot than any one guru has probably shot - and there is a reason we cringe when a mechanicals comes out. Accuracy without penetration is as useless as penetration without accuracy! Troy has scientifically proved what we see in the field.

[@dannypetersen1138]

You da man Troy!!!

[@calebleonard5714]

So is there a way to compare the penetrating power of different arrow set ups? There may not be a material that is an sufficient substitute for an animal, but surely there is a material that could act as a medium to compare arrow vs arrow penetration. It may not answer the question "will this arrow pass through a deer", but it would show if arrow A penetrates further than arrow B. Given the arrow flight data you have presented (ie heavy arrows have a higher momentum; heavy arrows lose less velocity; heavy arrows carry KE further down range; etc.) then I would expect we could observe this through some type of experiment. I am convinced that "adult arrows" are the way to go, and that is what I shoot now. I just do not understand why there is no experiment to correctly demonstrate the differences in the numbers. Maybe shooting into water with a camera under the water to see how far the arrow travels. Or maybe some type of scale that would measure the force delivered at impact.

[@african7498]

Any medium can be used - just dont infer the same results in animals. That was the point. Foam targets are designed to stop arrows hence similar penetration.

[@elizabeth_williams]

Just curious who is this archery Guru you're talking about who is talking out his arse? I always like to know who else shoots as many animals as me😂

[@ericnewman971]

Joel is a very accomplished bow hunter. I believe it's around 170 bowhunters that have ever got the super slam. He is one. So, his knowledge when it comes to hunting with a bow is far beyond what the ranch fairy could ever dream of. In the video, it is stated that Joel is saying that the penetration depth in a foam target is the same as in an animal. This is a bald-faced lie. That has never been stated.

[@nootnuh]

Joel Maxfield from Matthew’s

[@ericnewman971]

@@nootnuh yes

[@southgajeeepers2416]

Anyone know who the fairy is talking about?

[@nootnuh]

Joel Maxfield from Matthew’s.

[@jesse4530]

Funny thing is I saw Dudely recommend a +- 500g arrow for hunting. Most of the haters arent far off of what RF recommends.

[@jonathansnyder8686]

Agree, but think it goes both ways. Just saw a comment on here referencing a 475gr arrow, and called it a twizzler. 50 more grains and all of a sudden it's an 'adult arrow'. So many people want to jump in these 'camps' before realizing we're kinda splitting hairs and it should be coming down to preference and hunting style. Dudley and most KZbinrs agree that 425-500 grains is suitable for most people out to 40yds and Troy has also signed off on 500gr as long as it's high foc and coc broadhead.

[@DanielMcleod-z1q]

See that’s where you closed mind guys get it wrong. Dudley has never not one time said anything about the weight of arrow being the issue. The problem Dudley is referring to is guys listening to this clown and getting a test kit and throwing 200 and 300 grains on the front of an arrow and then having to run crazy stiff spines arrows “because “ if the heavy front weight. When all they need to do is go by the charts and start with a 120-150 total grains in the front. Dudley has always ran 500+ grain arrows. When you have the draw length he has and run full length arrows, you will run around the 500 grain mark. But then these fairy sniffers take their setups to TAC events and can’t hit a target at 70-80 yards. Why? Because the arrow build is completely wrong. If you guys are going to try and put this fairy above Dudley, you got to at least reach higher than that. But remember this. No matter how high you reach, Troy will always still be way beneath the likes of Dudley and Joel and such hunters as those. That’s the plain truth. There’s nothing Troy does is on Dudley’s level. Watch the podcast at how lost he was and the questions he was asking. Dudley wasn’t picking on Troy, he couldn’t help but laugh at some of the elementary questions Troy was asking, yet out here trying to teach people how to build arrows and hunt animals he has not even hunted himself. The perfect example of a wannabe

[@jasonard7227]

@@DanielMcleod-z1q I have zero issues hitting 120 yard target with my 546 grain arrows going 292 fps 78 pounds 29 inch draw. also who cares if these so called clowns cant hit that gay ass target at 80 yards most us bow hunters are not shooting targets we shoot animals. go suck johns balls all you want he still wont know who you are. you dont have to have perfect form to kill animals with a bow. I like john he is a great archer but what he does on animals many many many folks do the same and more. I have uncles in there 80s still bow hunting and have killed more animals with bad form the john has seen. all these clowns must be doing something right as most have sent pics and see the results from Troys help with arrow setup.. me being one of em.... have not lost an animal since moving up all pass throughs. got rid of flippers and 400 grain arrows. I know you blow through Trex at 200 yards with your flippers and 300 grain arrows all the time, yes we know

[@african7498]

@@DanielMcleod-z1q TAC or hunting? I have never heard RF recommend arrows for competitions? Have you?

[@jasonfowler44]

Makes total sense…..

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

With good momentum comes good KE

[@DanielMcleod-z1q]

And this statement right here proves the type of followers this guy has. The most backwards ass statement on here.

[@johndyer9232]

Maybe box full of expanding spray foam. And heavier arrow for the dumpster😉

[@alanlafleur5425]

Love it...I watched the dude shoot water jugs and had the same opinion. Should be the same no matter what in water jugs

[@bobbytables4305]

lol you watched Tim Conners vid too... oh lawd. 🙄

[@onthehunt3658]

I think Ranch should try that test. I think they all penetrated 7 or 8 jugs with field points . I feel the results would be different if he did it with expandable heads light weight vs a heavy arrow single bevel and at more then 10’ and placed them at 15-20 yards

[@dillonhardiek170]

You can use single bevels on “light” 450 grain arrows too

[@onthehunt3658]

My arrows are about 255 grains with 100g insert and 200g single bevel Grizzly total 555g 450g arrow would put me too high for my liking.

[@nootnuh]

@@bobbytables4305Check out his newest video shooting water jugs at 20yds. The heaviest arrows penetrated the furthest.

[@skeemask4933]

It's ashame that these people are THAT ignorant..🤦‍♂️ Preach Brutha Fairy Preach!!! 🙌#ThatsGospel

[@bjhall0778]

😂😂ok don't need stupidity heavy arrows to kill animals people shooting heavy arrows just want an excuse for their bad shots

[@jeremylucas4376]

FRICTION The greater the force, the greater the friction is, pushing back. This is why the tests in foam/gel have such similar results. Try lubing the arrows, maybe? Would that change the amount of friction?

[@RanchFairy]

It would give results, with foam and lubrication. Different test.

[@guysavelli156]

Im 4yrs into bow hunting - i tried the fairy dust year 1, wasnt ready. Yr4 im slapping some 200gn single bevels, and upping poundage. Tired of "tracking"

[@RanchFairy]

Hit me on email [e-mail] There's more to it than just a broadhead

[@ezratenney1049]

So then what is the best testing median? I don’t think Joel’s test was the best but he did shoot into ballistics gel as well. What would be the best material and most realistic to accurately test arrow momentum + kinetic energy + penetration relative to the arrows weight?

[@pastorbillyedgar4986]

Ed used animals that were not in Rigamortus yet

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

If you’re looking for the best medium for testing,it doesn’t exist. Live animals are the only medium. And even though it can be helpful,every shot can produce different results! Practice often,use enough weight and you should “should” be good to go.

[@ezratenney1049]

@@MichaelLakota-vc4tk I agree completely. Doesn’t matter if you want to shoot 400 or 800 gr arrows. If you aren’t practicing you probably aren’t going to kill anything. You probably don’t deserve to kill anything haha

[@RanchFairy]

I have a video on why gel is also completely useless...If I shoot gel and a dumpster....what do you expect the result to be?

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

@@RanchFairy I know what you’re saying!! Every medium is different and unique. Even all animals are different mediums! Plan B arrows! Yes yes yes! Like “someone “ said before “Why would you set yourself up for failure?”

[@StevenPreteau]

I literally just watched a video that said all arrows penetrate the same. They were using water jugs as the test medium. Using 400, 600, 800 grain arrows the penetration on all 3 arrows was exactly the same. If you were to shoot all 3 arrows at a tree you would get the same results as well lol. How can they say they all penetrate the same in all mediums of testing. Their test simply proves that they all can go through water jugs the same. But why is it that a 400 grain arrow that can go through 8 or 9 water jugs, cant get a full pass through on a deer consistently which is only 14-20" max, but a 650-800 grain arrow will go through nearly 100% of the time even when encountering bone. If they want to use thier test to kill water jugs, yes all arrows behave the same, but if you talk to anyone hunting big game consistently (Like Dr. Ashby) heavier arrows win the penetration game, no comparison. Plastic and ballistic gel is not even close to what skin, fat, flesh and bone can do to arrows. I dont understand how people dont see what "good" arrow penetration is. The real thing is out in the real world. Thank you Ranch Fairy! Love your videos! I started watching within the last 3 months, I have already changed my setup for this year lol! Seeing is believing!

[@nootnuh]

Tim Conner did round two of this test at 20 yds. The test showed heavy arrows penetrating further.

[@maxbehr3095]

Well, to be fair, that dude Josh Jones has hella experience in big game. Honestly, I’ve had arrows in the 600’s stop on opposite shoulder with a 250 vpa 3 blade, and vap XV’s 365 grain absolutely BLOW through deer at 40 yards with a grim reaper, shot out of a full throttle. Broadhead selection and shot placement is key. Don’t need rainbow trajectory at 35 yards to penetrate DEER! 😂😂😂

[@BudBanksOutdoors]

Don't forget that arrows and broadheads are lubricated with blood and juices when penetrating an animal! Tell them Troy!

[@jeffnearing719]

Ok ok you have converted me. However, I need advice on setting up what my wife is shooting. She shoots a 26 inch arrow and pulls roughly around 47 pounds. We live in northwest Montana so we hunt whitetail, muley, elk and bear. What would be a adult arrow and broad head for her set up?

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

The prices is still the same. My wife is pulling 50lbs, with a 25.25 inch draw. We have her throwing 445 grains. We only went that light so she can still take up to a 76 yard follow up shot (if the animal gives her a shot at putting 2 arrows in it) without hitting her sight with vanes. She's shooting black eagle x impacts with the F.O.C.O.S system, and 125g kudu point Contour + broadheads. (Single bevel with bleeders)

[@brandonyoung7760]

So who are we talking about here? I want to see their video on this 😂

[@nootnuh]

Same question here. I’m curious who triggered RF?

[@jonathanpicklesimer3181]

The sarcasm is strong in this one. Genetics?

[@jesse4530]

Did you say 7" was about average? That sucks

[@sethhussey5804]

KE / speed sells $1800 bows... if u boink an animal it's probably your fault and you're unlikely to tell the world. 200 g broadheads are only 50 bucks a piece and reusable. It's simple really, follow the money

[@ericwalsh7418]

Where is the vital V on a dumpster?

[@Mtn_Dewpider]

What channel/test is he referring to?

[@ezratenney1049]

I’m curious too

[@droptine04]

Has to be Dudley guy...never made it through a video of his. I seen comments in other Ranch Fairy videos people mentioning him.

[@RanchFairy]

Not Dudley

[@nootnuh]

maybe Joel Maxfield

[@F22Ra]

“Gonna be my shooter today because I can’t shoot “. But here’s my advice…..

[@RanchFairy]

Smart Ass. Someone has to run camera.

[@nootnuh]

Check out Tim Conner’s latest light vs heavy arrow video. He shoots 3 different weight arrows with broadheads into 1 gal water jugs from 20yds. Here are the penetration results: 417 gr = 51” 593 gr = 58” 788 gr = 66” Finding the proper balance of speed/trajectory, arrow weight , and broadhead for the animal and terrain at your draw weight and draw length is the challenge. Bow Hunters United not divided. Elkshape modeled unity well on his recent video with Levi Morgan, MFJJ, and Rick Forest.

[@RanchFairy]

Blah, Blah, Blah. I appreciate all these hangers on doing testing to mimic my actual testing (necropsies, etc) on pigs. But they are missing one thing. Critters to test on. There is no equivalent target to the actual target. 99% of these mimic videos are also with field points. Now, interestingly, water is kind of close the density of some pieces of a critter.....but those pieces aren't bone and bone stops arrows.

[@Harvestlandtv]

@@RanchFairyI think you missed the point of this viewers comment. Dan with elkshape heavily and ignorantly criticized Levi Morgan’s video. Then retracted his comments once he realized he judged rashly. Then worked together to work it out. Now you can only go so far on the spectrum (light or heavy) until your arrow performance starts to diminish. All This viewer is saying is that a well balanced arrow is required for a person. P.S. people can also only go so far on the spectrum before they start to diminish as well.

[@RanchFairy]

@@Harvestlandtv So I stay as far away from the politics of all the other channels so I have no idea on that. Arrow Performance is an interesting term that is completely undefined. So, let me clear up what I mean by arrow performance. 1. Starts At impact on the target ANIMAL....not artificial targets. 2. Hunting 3. With a broadhead tipped arrow 4. Maximum lethality 5. Pass through is the goal 100% of the time. 6. Adult broadhead with maximum structural integrity - including edge sharpness retention. On meat, arrow performance by the definition above, does NOT reduce as mass increases. It does decrease as arrow mass lowers. Ashby reports.

[@Harvestlandtv]

@@RanchFairy I appreciate the response! I respectfully disagree with some of your concepts but I like your investigative insights! However you should study your opponents. Even though they aren’t really opponents, but they do heavily disagree with you. Art of war!

[@RanchFairy]

@@Harvestlandtv its fine to disagree. Trust me man, you take any stance, you're gonna let the monkeys out of the cage. Good is the enemy of Great. They are content with "good enough" in most cases.

[@turnerappleton5026]

Is he talking bout Chris bee or elk shape?

[@codybrewer4611]

I used to be a fan of Chris but he's saying some pretty nonsensical stuff lately

[@pennyontrack]

I’m not sure he is talking about either of them.

[@Caincando1]

Neither. He's talking about a man who's 30 years testing of at the #1 bow manufacture in world has literally shaped, defined and built the modern compound bow.

[@mjk208]

@@Caincando1I’m ignorant, who?

[@Caincando1]

Joel Maxfield. He was the first person Matt McPherson hired to start Matthews. Joel and a host of engineers and shooters has been testing at Matthews literally since day 1. Actually Joel was doing testing before that even. He owned a local pro shop and has been at this game a long time. Also him and his wife have killed 1000's (yes you read that right) of animals with bow for 40 years and about every part of the globe. There are probably only a hand full of people on the globe with his industry and bow hunting knowledge and access to knowledge that he has. @@mjk208

[@jonathansimmons4253]

It would be interesting to see xbow testing with your usual Ashby setup. I am trying to convert my xbow user friends to heavy setups even on xbows.

[@richardleejagers6016]

Have done running 616 total weight 26 % foc with a single bevel. . I started with a 22" phoneix bare shaft 225 field point with a 175 ethics static insert. Started shooting bullet holes at 18.125 carbon to carbon. Used the ranch fairy trad arrow tuning method applied to the crossbow

[@veteranironoutdoors8320]

Im using 650gr total weight 30% foc bolts with 2.5” schwackers for years now. Ive blown through every bone in the vital zone, sometimes on both sides. Always get an exit. I have a video on how I make them on the cheap on my channel as well as some terminal ballistics videos from harvested game

[@Heavy_Arrow312]

Proof is in the puddin. I convinced my coworker just by shooting a foam target, without a weight on top. When my arrows hit, the target spun. His barely.nudged it.

[@tonyezolt4560]

LOL, thanks for the great, hilarious video. On the serious side, the countless videos, from industry "heavy hitters", not only hinting, but outright "proving" that a fast, light arrow penetrates as well as a heavier FOC arrow are totally disingenuous with their claims that you are leading folks down the wrong path. The thing they never address is your story and how you went from low percentage recovery and penetration to "went through the pig like he wasn't even there" and have the VIDEOS TO PROVE IT!!! They totally ignore the thousands of data points of Dr. Ashby.

[@RanchFairy]

It’s not a discussion if the big guys just disregard any of the “other sides” work.

[@gregorynewell3637]

in the old days wood was heavy aluminum was heavy how many animals were taken with traditional bows with heavy arrows 🤔

[@RanchFairy]

SHHHH - no one wants that. It's a brave new world and physics doesn't apply to bowhunting. Carbon has been around for 25 years (mainstream anyway) and it's "solved" everything. Now back when the bow was the highest level of technology for war.....very heavy arrows for war. ya know, when it matters.

[@gregorynewell3637]

@@RanchFairy 🤬people ya know morons

[@williamgaines9784]

What does foam boar backstrap taste like? If you haven't tried it...quoting Joe Biden here, "Don't, don't, don't." 😂

[@jamesseed1752]

Aka tim conners, what a bunch of jokes. These guys are about as bright as a broken lightbulb

[@m.cawston3951]

... and may i add , Proof is in the battleship. ( they dont make 'em outa balsa wood )

[@kountzer0]

I'm not sure how yall could narrate through the viscous, choking sarcasm! Never mind your tongues buried in your cheeks to the hilt. Must be a fake video, or some AI thing! 🤪 Tight lines yall!

[@dustyneudy7017]

Put a trash bag in a cardboard box and fill with chicken livers. Be pretty close to live target. Or numerous packs of bologna stacked together 😂 cost a few bucks but would be a interesting test.

[@ericnewman971]

Can you explain the equal penetration in the dead animals Ashby did in the 2005 part 2 update chart 4 with different arrow mass and different broadheads? would be nice if you could explain that. Thanks

[@RanchFairy]

I will inform you that you guys started it - literally been almost 2 years I've not commented heavily. So, Keep shooting foam Eric knowing damn good and well what you're doing - rigging the results in favor of the KE pedestal. Keep allowing everyone to think your ability to pick ONE SENTENCE, or small section out of a multiple page update, plus the whole study and isolate it. Then throw the baby out with your bathwater. Sad, because then you burden Ed to explain three decades of work. Anyway, we'll just go round and round and round and round and round. You never stay on topic no matter how far you go in the hole and you always have another "tidbit". So you change the subject and appear to be the smartest guy in the room. Maybe the target defines the test? I predict that I am not done. Oh, I know I am not done. Stay tuned.

[@ericnewman971]

That's OK. I enjoy it when you do this. Because it has been stated lots of times that the test being done has no correlation to the depth of penetration of an animal. My question about the test Ed did is going against what you are saying. That is why I asked the question. As far as isolating what Ed did and you complain that we are doing is funny. That is what you are doing with Joel. So that is no different. I predict you are not done as well. I truly hope you continue and make lots of money. @@RanchFairy

[@W_and_K_Archery]

@@RanchFairyso you are going to sit here and call folks liars but yet alude to the idea that a 45# trad bow using the SAME arrow will out penetrate a 45# compound bow??? The one who started this is the one trying to sell a product and isn’t happy that folks are successful everyday but aren’t using a certain product. Thats sad… No one except you is out there mis interpreting joels test, the man has stated on a podcast what is happening and how it doesn’t correlate to an animal. It is comparing 2 setups and thats it.

[@dannypetersen1138]

Would you like some cheese with that wine 🍷. Cheers 🥂 😂😂😂

[@ericnewman971]

mozzarella please @@dannypetersen1138

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Haven’t even watched the video yet. All I can say is that I don’t give a crap about KE!! It’s all about mass flight and momentum!!! If you want to argue about that then lm all ears-rip me a new one if you want

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

TOGA PARTY 😃

[@nootnuh]

Honest question: What is the name of this Jesus Christ of bow hunting who’s shot 10,000 animals from 150+ yds and never missed? I’m not on social media and like learning from everyone. I’m getting back into bowhunting and am working on my arrow setup for hunting elk in Colorado. Thanks.

[@RanchFairy]

doesn't matter. But you can email me and I'll help ya build a great arrow. [e-mail]

[@vfonte218]

Troy wondering who you are talking about. My go to person is John Lusk....and I think he shows sharpness of the head, and toughness .

[@nootnuh]

Joel Maxfield from Matthew’s

[@african7498]

It aint Lusk - he doesnt infer foam penetration is animal penetration - he clearly defines the test medium.

[@briargoatkilla]

Hey! Pull back the reins fellas and ladies. You might not see the same results on animals.

[@tolt1776]

A good foam test is a 60# recurve vs a 60# and 70# compound all with 650 plus grains...then you will see difference in penetration 😆 😅

[@m.cawston3951]

❤ you da man! 😬 uhm ... Fairy 😂 if you're going to rely on physics to prove a point, you must factor in "all" the physics that relates to your point. Now , im no physicist but i do know that a certain amount of weight traveling at speed behind a point or blade will penetrate different mediums differently. 😘 Simple Physics

[@tracychilds3546]

We could really get them on that one they always wanting to preach on speed Why? is the slow arrow getting the same results of them souped up arrows they also want to talk about all of the drop if they shoot I've heard just about everyone say archery is about how close you can get if they shoot ethical shots they don't have to worry about drop and just about every deer I've seen drops when you shoot so the slower arrow still has the advantage

[@YoureSoVane]

You need a better insert glue or better application procedure. Roughly clean, sand (not a brass bore brush, but actual sandpaper) the inside of the shaft, and clean like crazy. Then use something tougher. The Sirius epoxy sucks. Never had one stay in. Everything else they make is pretty good and I love the carbon, but I can't stand the epoxy.

[@Matt-de7eg]

The shirt….lol

[@rwittman9932]

Your videos are awesome Troy. Never a dull moment when watching your videos. Although I don't agree with everything your "putting out", it is great content and very informative. I've learned quite a bit watching you and RocketMan. Anything to do with 'archery', I'm all in. However, someone needs to teach your boy how to shoot a bow. That draw is more nauseating than the trigger punch. He can literally, ONLY get better. Definitely can't get any worse. Sorry, not sorry. Someone had to say it........

[@tolt1776]

Can you tag "LUSK ARCHERY" 😅😂😅😂😅😂😅

[@garrettstraffon608]

🫢

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

My opinion is they have the whole damn thing backwards

[@davidwhite8909]

Air slash gravity will stop and arrow could be 800 yards just but just saying

[@blakeumthun8128]

LMFAO! Everyone knows you need a .270 or larger to be successful in harvesting a dumpster with that kind of mass

[@lawrencefranck9417]

You are going about this all wrong. Find a medium that will consistently stop a light arrow at 50% penetration. Then shoot heavy arrows at the same target.