How the Fall of the OpTic Dynasty happened.

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[@JaimeJoseHernandez]

Never forget the OG 4: Merk, Scump, BigTymer, & Nadeshot

[@Jessnutz87]

Jaime Hernandez OG was Merk Rambo Scump Big T

[@charlyperez2798]

BigTymer Trash

[@DangerousMedic]

YESSIR

[@Z2Z9]

I lowkey liked the Optic Nation i believe it was called. 2nd team for Ghost. Mboze Proofy Killa I forget the last guy but it was entertaining to watch. I stopped after Faze beat Optic in AW

[@nicklind39]

BigT the goat

[@juanjuarez9010]

Litterally if you guy smoked a blunt together none of this woulda happend

[@TheEloim_]

Looool

[@otsiege]

Go watch the weed reveal video lmao, they were smoking a lot of weed in the house since bo2

[@onofre_5034]

Green Wall have fallen someone will build it bigger and stronger

[@robertcosentinoiv2297]

Mann. I would put so much effort for this team to win🥇

[@ecanthrow7015]

I remember when I watched every scump and nade video back in 2011 in bo2. Wow things have changed

[@Shady90133]

2011? Lmao

[@ecanthrow7015]

Skilly 2012 my bad

[@Amplyfii]

Lil Kingerz same, Optic was the best back then with the Chicago house

[@Lunari_xo]

Amplyfii yeah I stopped watching after AW cause that’s when cod games and cod esports declined and I grew out of cod and later on everyone just left etc.

[@jeffwells641]

I'm just glad blops4 has team mics again, so I can watch my favorite trolling videos. I don't even play COD.

[@anonymous_4372]

man good days when i was in 8th grade.. i’m 22 now.

[@beastzillakid]

anonymous _ literally bro

[@DropShotMLG]

taylor gang dude 8th grade in Nadeshots chat watching BO2 scrims???? Yes fucking sir. I’d give me left nut to go back

[@aidanmartin4614]

Same bro

[@beegee6559]

same.

[@co8539]

Exact same

[@frozenkunai]

I grew up watching Optic, it breaks my heart to see them just slowly fall apart like this 🥺

[@lizbet5242]

Slowly fall apart? Bro there's nothing left

[@allahbless2278]

Slowly fall apart? Formal hasn't even been in optic in over a year

[@frozenkunai]

Jack Mason i know i havent been keeping up with them lately and this video pretty much told me that, shit sucks

[@frozenkunai]

allah bless yeah im just figuring this out man, it sucks i loved them when they were all a team

[@austinmartinez2312]

Literally grew up where hecz was from.. crazy how big this gaming community has skyrocketed! From content to let alone merchandise. They definitely tapped into a whole new market. Hecz one of the pioneers of competitive cod gaming and content creating at that time was optic!

[@BernardRandsMusic]

FORMAL was always the wisest on the team. When he can’t play with you then you’re definitely a problem.

[@ALPHA_153]

How do you know? You don't know what's happening behind closed doors. They were the best players ever. Maybe they got cocky or whatever

[@gustavoespinosa7970]

I.T. Gamer lol Formal literally explained this on the video

[@ALPHA_153]

@@gustavoespinosa7970 well obviously he does not want to be responsible for the break-up. And this story might be true in his opinion. But we can't be sure as there are 3 more players with their own versions

[@gustavoespinosa7970]

I.T. Gamer nah this has been pretty well know since the team broke-up. They just never confirmed it until now. Obviously Scump and Crim are gonna have a different POV but the overall facts we already knew.

[@ALPHA_153]

@@gustavoespinosa7970 actually I got the impression and read it a couple of times that formal was the cause of the split because he wanted too much. But after seeing the interview it seems realistic that the guys were too lazy. Especially scump which is sad as he is probably the most talented to ever play the game

[@justcookie8536]

You guys need to appreciate how mature Formal is. The way he talks in general is very professional and mature. *No ego* in a way that whether he talks about the good or the bad, he always say *We* . Not "I" or "They"

[@notalithiumbarbiedoll3535]

Yes and no, glad he can accept that they gave up, wish he didn’t feel the need to say things like “faze isn’t that good” kind of an unnecessary jab imo

[@justcookie8536]

@@notalithiumbarbiedoll3535 it's his opinion about the matter and I wouldn't call it a "jab" unless he said "faze was actually bad" you know.

[@fastkid456]

What ?

[@chrisperez7424]

Not A Lithium Barbie Doll faze was really not that good though.. it wasn’t a “jab” it’s facts.. Look up their pro stats that year they were garb for those 3 years...

[@geargod39]

Formal is starting to look like a young chubby jack black lol

[@thebobbobbers7726]

As opposed to thin Jack Black?

[@jamesatm5428]

Jack Black is chubby

[@JDxxxxxx]

Im Rockguy yo wtf I was thinking the same thing then seen your comment 😂

[@-BUGZ-]

More like a younger, thinner Jack Black lol wtf you talkin about Jack Black been chubby

[@FlyingWarChariot]

That a mop under his hat?

[@Trayne]

I love how open the members of OpTic have been lately even since the 6050 podcast. Great content HECZ

[@lilwu7729]

Well duh their brand is dying and people arent interested..... guess what people are always interested in..... dramaaaa

[@Trayne]

@@lilwu7729 Ur so dumb....

[@TravisUnlimited]

I was huge into optic back in the xbox 360 mlg days, sad to see them falling apart

[@alcamacho4968]

🆒

[@thegrowingroofer2822]

TravisUnlimited champs 2019!! Going to happen

[@zaymafia6399]

Falling apart? They are killing this cod

[@nickagger534]

Could you explain to me what's happened please? I'm an OG and remember watching them from the beginning but haven't followed them for a couple years.. What's happened to everyone? And are optic still a major player at tournaments?

[@commptonn]

@@nickagger534 ownership change, hecz is pretty much out and a lot of people don't want to be involved with the new ownership

[@TheCracker559]

Formal was a god on Bo3. It sucks they ain’t the same dynasty anymore

[@nitricdx]

and IW

[@lupomena]

TheCracker559 he was easily the best player in IW but I think Scump was slightly better in BO3

[@supaswaggerz1]

@@lupomena im late to the convo but i agree. Scump was damn near untouchable in bo3 but Formal WAS untouchable in IW, he was a fucking god and dropped a 1.4 for his ring. Man deserved it so much.

[@crunch9876]

Shady maybe we’ll see them back in the real optic. Now called huntsman

[@RuthlessGamertag]

Dont forget AW

[@matiasmyllyla]

This podcast was easily one of my favorites, good job Hector❤️

[@carlosmagallanes2594]

I wish it was longer, sometimes the boring ones are 2 hours and the good ones are 1 hour😥

[@matiasmyllyla]

Totally agree, still have been enjoying every podcast to date tho!

[@ajfromseattle5171]

This isn’t hectors channel. The full interview is on his actual channel

[@sportsfan_91]

I love Seth (fave all time player) but i get the vibe he may have been a major reason they fell apart. Shitty internet, Bad excuses for bad placings & spent alot of time with his then GF. Plus inner rivalry with Formal.

[@allanluscsmith]

Seth couldnt moan at matt about his gf things as he was as bad when he was with kenzie

[@Tee.NZ.07]

Formal only mentioned Scump once in the video... Did u watch it and listen to it? And Nadeshot was a detriment, this dynasty wouldn't have happened had he stayed and Crim left

[@allanluscsmith]

@@Tee.NZ.07 remember when nade said the same stuff about seth that formal said...and look what happined to nade

[@Benjieboy1993]

Agreed

[@allanluscsmith]

@Kort Latimore nadeshot once said on one of his streams when be was optic that seth didnt seem motivated and didnt want to play....same thing formal said

[@theroastmemelord222]

Never forget Formal’s Bal-27. If you know you know.

[@joegusset5902]

The Roast Meme Lord advanced warfare was so underrated imo. ranked was so fun and competitive. Asm1 and bal-27 so fun.

[@stateofgrind1]

my bal was better

[@theroastmemelord222]

Iceman Productions 🧢🧢🧢

[@gambeano]

Fr dude was a terminator it was crazy

[@user15372]

Never forget nadeshot’s hbr. If you know you know

[@EBoredom]

Professional teams ought to practice like professionals and always take their opponent seriously. Fear none, respect all. Basic.

[@austinkuchenbecker2756]

Fear All, Respect None- Kinjaz

[@BasedGodLegends]

💯

[@ColourfulFilms]

you're talking about video games you nerd virgin

[@EBoredom]

Austin Kuchenbecker you know what’s up🙏🏽

[@PureLogicVII.]

For my country

[@jackkermode6485]

Scump, Crim, Karma, Formal: Best squad ever

[@heavyizthacrown-5842]

That was the best Optic but not the Original Optic.

[@josenunez611]

HeavyIzThaCrown - no shit he said best squad

[@excalzgo6601]

Complexity back in ghosts were untouchable then, too. But I gotta give it to IW optic, they're the best squad in cod

[@lilp1ll0w]

I feel like the mentality that FormaL is talking about is still there in the current squad. They lose an event and it just seems that they still don't want to practice.

[@HP-rz7ew]

They scrim offline most days

[@lilp1ll0w]

@@HP-rz7ew Yes, they scrim. But Crimsix brushing off the last two losses of pro league as them "trying new stuff" and saying "it doesn't really matter" shows they don't really care. Especially when they get last the next event.

[@HP-rz7ew]

TehSilentKnight Well Im just replying to what you said “don’t want to practice” which just isn’t true, they scrim all the time. Now if you mean put in the extra hours on top of that then you might have a point, but that’s not what you said.

[@e.honchoo9596]

I feel like that’s scump

[@HP-rz7ew]

ScytheDaGoat Scump was the best player on the team at Miami. Sick of people using him as a scapegoat since last year tbh.

[@alexreed3775]

“When attach 1v3’d like 6 times” 😂😂😂

[@Frost-ri7fg]

Finally someone says wwII was trash. It’s so trash, gameplay wise.

[@gotmagiccrack8864]

Its miles better than bo4 though

[@chriswileman6032]

@@gotmagiccrack8864 bo4 sucks but it's not better ww2 worst cod of all time hands down

[@gotmagiccrack8864]

@@chriswileman6032 nani. Ww2 does suck ass, yes, but there were definitely worse cods than ww2

[@casminray1791]

Chris Wileman You ever Play Advanced or Infinite Warfare?

[@gotmagiccrack8864]

@KingKush bo2 was the last good cod. Ghost had my favorite campaign, and advanced warfare was fun for a few days. Every cod since 2013 has been atrocious. Ww2 is honestly the only bearable one in recent years. But I honestly have such high Hope's for the new mw. It makes me feel nostalgic feeling excited for a new call of duty since high school

[@StolenCrocs]

coming back to this after champs, so upsetting seeing this team fall apart after all these years 😢💔

[@joshuapeterson2694]

what happened?? why has Seth not posted in 4 months

[@brayancovarrubias9796]

Damn. Crim just showed that his approach really works.

[@iTzTJlol]

“we just need to hangout more” 🤣🤣🤣

[@ricecakejohnson]

This is why I love FORMAL, because he always speaks whats on his mind.

[@juanplayz3104]

Why Does This Guy Look Like A Young Version Of Jack Black ? 😂

[@prod.scopez8443]

XRed Chino or older version of Dustin from stranger things lol

[@juanplayz3104]

Prod.SonicBoom 🤣 Yes

[@austinkuchenbecker2756]

Perhaps Dustin will become Jack Black

[@JakeNHale]

Nah I don’t see jack black at all lol

[@iLeaveMeanCommentsSometimes]

Jake NHale Or “Dustin from stranger things” 🤣

[@trickster8804]

If They got along better they I believe They could've won 4 Champs in a row AW Bo3 IW and WW2. Not sure abt AW but for sure the other 3

[@sneakysubspodcast]

Hecz hearing “we went into events, not practicing in 3 weeks” 😂😂😂😂 definitely didn’t know about that

[@anthonyrivelli4278]

It’s because the call of duty games haven’t been as good since blops 2 . Seems like nobody wants to play anymore

[@deeppocketz5487]

Who the fuck says blops

[@YoungCurryy]

A T 😂😂😂😂😂

[@HumongousBeastBoi]

@@deeppocketz5487 Quite a lot of people...

[@babyjay2932]

12:50 to 13:10 you could hear how passionate he was about the team.. as a life long og fan I even said a few times I hope formal leaves he deserves better. So grateful for his hard carry through jet packs

[@CraZyWeZZ]

carry? in IW Scump was def. the best player on the squad bro. Nobody can deny that.

[@Max_Chainz]

CraZyWeZZ lmfaooooooooooo no he was not

[@CraZyWeZZ]

@@Max_Chainz hahahaha look at all the stats bro, scump was the best. And in bo3 it was pretty even between him and formal.

[@Max_Chainz]

CraZyWeZZ scump was not better than Formal in IW lmaooooo

[@CraZyWeZZ]

@@Max_Chainz bro look at the stats. And season mvp's. Scump won both of them. You cannot be serious.

[@zayzaysmallz5692]

Miss you matt 😕

[@marioparra00]

Formal is pure class. Rare.

[@castielcod7421]

“We just didn’t eat enough bro” LMFAO

[@sinfinate9433]

- Crimsix

[@OsvaldoG521]

They almost won s1 playoffs because Damon carried tf out of them. Then they drop him after the next event.

[@beneastman9252]

Dude I swear formal is jack black

[@gaspring12345]

Lol

[@Guts1022]

Ive always said the same thing

[@ReneHamilton]

Bro just come back and hang out more :D

[@extendxdclip3683]

Cause that makes u a better team. That's the worst excuse ever

[@ReneHamilton]

@@extendxdclip3683 playing makes you a better team! But maybe hanging out and practicing together irl was a part of "hanging out" . There is 2 sides to every story.

[@cvoxoisgodly]

iKONERR Hanging out doesn’t do shit. Lame excuse.

[@ReneHamilton]

@@cvoxoisgodly they have lan setups easily accessible maybe it wasnt ALL hanging out. Plus I mentioned playing gets u better not hanging out.

[@ReneHamilton]

@@cvoxoisgodly def frustrating to be getting pooped on and teammate says we just don't hang out lol.

[@brayanvigil5065]

Formal talking the truth on this one💯optic need to step it up and not get cocky #greenwall

[@avantevargas4459]

Everyone need a teammate like foramal.. Someone whos gonna tell the truth and not sugar coat anything, he keeps it real this whole interview

[@alvarezjames87]

Felt like Formal was slowly pouring his heart out in this interview

[@gabeeee323]

10:56 Formals thoughts on COD WW2 lol

[@katser5023]

Yeah that games maps were so ass

[@rk9515]

Someone once told me that optic never liked to practice. I guess that was true.

[@nukenade4623]

it is, theres a reason they rarely stream anymore, i reckon crim and Scump should both retire, focus on making content or move on, they have been in the game for too long and its starting to show

[@rk9515]

@@nukenade4623 not saying this might be true, just going off what FormaL is saying. I do feel like scump and crim's egos have gotten the best of them especially when they went on that tear of winning so many tournaments. I remember watching a scum stream a black ops 3 scrim I think it was and crim said something like what if they break us up. Scump jokingly but with s cocky tonr said dude we're the most dominate team ever win so many tournaments they ain't getting rid of us, then someone in chat said what if they just get rid of you. Scump said he will join another team or make his own and destroy optic.

[@CozeXP]

NukeNade you are absolutely incorrect🤣Huntsmen😈

[@xXxThibertxXx]

Dam this makes me feel old i have been an OpTic fan since CoD 4 the OpTic Preadtor days 10 sensativity spinning with ACOG M40A3, i was almost that kid who was going to put OpTic in my gamertag, but i never wanted to be a fake & that kind of fan boy. Crazy how shit has changed i remember baby face McDonalds working nadeshot & now to see him running an insanely successful ESports ORG, it's awesome to see most of the OpTic member have found success. #GREENWALL

[@brianhannigan1547]

Miss bigtymer and Merk wit scump n nade sheesh I remember when bigt was out

[@lbryanyangl]

I used to watch Optic Nadeshot and Sumpii. :(

[@PoisonedOkami]

This explains everything in so much depth now. Thanks Hecz for getting the opportunity to pick Matt's brain on that. Really interesting stuff. I do miss him being in OpTic, would love for him to return someday

[@maikelsanchez6879]

the greatest AR to aver play cod.

[@mattc3788]

100%

[@SoulCaliburDeathCrie]

Did BoZe not play cod??

[@lizbet5242]

No ninja is the greatest AR cod has seen

[@jeromebigwood5696]

Maikel Sanchez amen

[@r2g]

A M Is A FlipFlop yea right kid

[@eternalvigor1190]

OpTic fell when cod fell, and cod has been awful for almost 6 years now

[@devon1473]

You dont know what you're talking about lmao shut the fuck up 😂

[@Darth_Pidgey]

@@devon1473 he knows exactly what hes talking about.

[@devon1473]

@@Darth_Pidgey Ghosts was a good cod, and bo3 was great. Infinite warfare was decent. Wouldn't say it I was "awful" for the past 6 years..

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

mac talk about unpopular opinions, you and the community at large are not on the same page

[@Darth_Pidgey]

@@devon1473 No ghost was the start of a downfall with terrible streaks and maps and bo3 was the best we got out of the jump pack era but it doesn't make it good especially with its horrendous pay to win microtransaction system.

[@MxHusky12]

So formal wasn’t joking about not wanting to team with crimsix

[@nortonrob_tx]

I used to be the biggest Optic fan back in middle school. I'll be graduating from college soon and I see they're breaking up...kind of sad to see.

[@jdh2800]

I think if Optic loses really bad this year at Champs I say Scump is gonna retire

[@RoyTrueblood]

Yeah since scump been on fire all year

[@Aaaaa69999]

now wot

[@CozeXP]

He confirmed he isn’t retiring for at least 2 to 3 years forbid anything happens

[@MYE19]

Formal looked so much healthier, a shame but covid hit many uf us.

[@slashnovrain]

I never thought that Jack Black is a beast on COD too... what are the odds...

[@Pudnite]

shit is soo sad... remember being in jr high when the MLG Orlando recap video came out in 2011 with the Blackmill music in the background, video is sooo nostalgic to me

[@mdamron115]

Same with jewel

[@IamWoodstaman]

It's crazy hearing all this talk about how their team was on thin ice because I remember watching a lot of IW and always thinking that if Optic turned up they would win. I was a fan of eUnited at the time and I always used to fear Optic because I felt that they were the best team, and I was not surprised they won champs.

[@logangracey3480]

this video was fantastic, Formal was always my favorite player on that dynasty and to here his side of the story was something I've been wanting for awhile. Thanks for sharing it

[@ItsBatmansVoice]

Anyone else been playing cod since they were 12 and grew up through all the cods. Played every single one since cod 4. I’m 23 now. Memories over the years. Man cod has changed.

[@bigchungus285]

Man I remember trick shotting and getting into a game with OpTic Jambi, eXxStacY, Di3sel.... that’s what got me into making videos and what still gives me inspiration to this day to be the best I can be at editing. I hope watching OpTic grow into what it was taught other people to go for whatever dreams they love and to never lose sight of that

[@IIPlanBII]

Way formal is making it seem, he wanted to practice and be on the game always and no one else wanted to be on

[@kingluffy2584]

I dont think so, he said that they thought the problem was them not hanging out.

[@m1ckyg21]

life lesson- never trust one sides story as the absolute and complete truth

[@kingluffy2584]

@@m1ckyg21 we heard both sides and everything formal said was true Scump did say that the problem was not hanging out, never mentioned not scrimming

[@todayismycheatday773]

Their problem wasn't not practicing enough their problem was bad team chemistry, a lack of motivation and a lot of frustration coming from that. And in order to become motivated as a team and work hard again it's important to hang out so you can then actually repair your relationships and get into a non-stressfull, motivated environment. Scrimming online home alone doesn't do that. Clearly you can't just push through and expect it will be fine in the long run, just look at what happened. Not everything formal says is true and it's just his perspective. From what I remember he never was the one who wanted to hang out, move into the optic house or live close by which, to me, is ridiculous seeing how this is his job, he loves doing it and he is making a lot of money in the process. He is talking about working hard but it seems to me he only wanted to do it his way and not actually fix the real issues eventhough his teammates asked him to. It's like he never heard of teambuidling. The others lived together a lot of the time and hung out together way more and guess what, they are playing together right now and they are doing quite good. What I don't get is why Hecz didn't step in and just made them and acted more like a mediator to solve these issues (or maybe he did but it never showed that much on camera from what I have seen). Just put in their contracts that they have to do scheduled LAN practice a few days in the week. They get paid more than enough to demand something like that. I'm kinda baffled that competitive CoD is maturing so slowly, I've heard retired veterans say they should be doing LAN practice a lot more years ago and Formal is still sitting there saying he doesn't want to "hang out" and people just accept that. I would live next door to the optic office and be ready to scrim every single day in his position making that kind of money while playing videogames.

[@kingluffy2584]

@@todayismycheatday773 lmao ( the problem isnt them not practicing) you have to practice to stay consistent or get better , I'm not reading the rest cuz wow

[@Quoteunquot3]

Hecz is a really good interviewer, dude directs the conversation but makes sure to let guests answer fully and asks all of the right questions

[@joeyd4079]

Well Crim isnt that great without karma.. and if you say he was good before I'll argue that he had pat and teep.

[@RaygunzGOAT]

Bo2/Ghosts=Aw Crim was a machine ur drunk?

[@joeyd4079]

@@RaygunzGOAT karma was best player in the game on bl02 that ring don't lie

[@Rixx432]

Formal was great back in the bo3 days

[@kingluffy2584]

Hes always been great

[@---eh8mi]

BO3 was honestly the best cod we've had in years

[@Rixx432]

@@---eh8mi It was balanced asf for next gen

[@spielzgb6719]

@@---eh8mi factual

[@EstaDePiPi]

-- nah bo2 was

[@straightreject2947]

Confidence and ego are totally different things. Ego doesn't let you be the real you. Confidence do.

[@manuelcastro3382]

Who here remember OpTic Corrosive, Dtreats, Psychosis, Xgen, Theory, and all the other OG clans?

[@B3GE]

C7 Z Z sulfurik made a comeback

[@slabGod_]

M40A3 lol

[@UnivarsuL]

Some of them still play

[@JohnDoe-us1ek]

RaGE, AbNL, eXiLe, lol..

[@LoVE.B.]

Remember how you got there from the beginning. Hard work, now they super talented, they abuse it by not doing shit. Kids grinding every day to get that spot. It'll show this coming weekend.

[@LoVE.B.]

Creep

[@ddddsasawwfdwafaw]

Man if optic branched out to more games like fortnite, rainbow, rocket league, etc. they probably could’ve still been a big team

[@danwilson1763]

charles_brrr that was the problem they expanded too much and it lost them money

[@ddddsasawwfdwafaw]

@@danwilson1763 damn that actually sucks

[@jayquan17ify]

14:21 LMAOOO replays.

[@gustavoespinosa7970]

This is why teams like Gen.G and EU have been popping off, and OpTic is struggling to place. This game relies too much on teamwork and that’s something the Core 3 have never worked on because they relied on their gun skill to bully their way into hard situations. They can’t do that in this game though, because other teams have equal or greater skill ceilings than them so then they struggle. Then they tell themselves and the fans bullshit excuses like “we were trying new things.” Geez formal is spot on the money. I always thought this was the case, where OpTic won on raw skill and not knowing the game fundamentally well. I bet if they don’t win champs Crimsix is gonna leave to join/form a different super team. With teammates who have his drive to win. Like things are up in the air RN and there are too many possibilities but he’s a huge name in CoD and any org would gladly build around him, and most players would gladly join them.

[@bigblue916]

But Gen.G just got eliminated from Champs after going 0-2...

[@gustavoespinosa7970]

bigblue916 lol if you think this shit wasn’t a fluke or something internal was going on you tripping.

[@DinoQuixote17]

Optic has gotten top three 3 out of the 5 events..."struggle to place"?

[@joshschwarz72]

Watching this in 2021 and happy to see how the cards came back into place formal is back with his brotha sethy seth , and Damon is home again on optic

[@gmoneyytm6794]

Man it feels like forever ago with formal being on optic but I hope after this year and change apart, the old team was able to rekindle those great relationships. Because at its peak, those guys were perfect for each other

[@ethelwolf9015]

Formal will always be the GOAT in my books.

[@leavetalalalone]

Is it just me or has formal changed ALOT from this video to now?

[@stevenmaldonado7061]

Changed a lot in what sense exactly? Appearance? Mentality? Personality?

[@Reflexopz]

well hes fat not

[@bonesybones5430]

He still seems so bitter, like the beef still fresh it seems but I could be wrong

[@casomii7576]

Their placements during those times were not only toxic for him mentally but it also affected him monetarily I think. Then again it just seems like there’s no desire to sugar coat shit and he’s being blunt

[@MxHusky12]

Listening to this tells me how many problems call of duty has as a franchise. Being a pro and staying good at every new game is so hard.

[@XxDestoxX]

I wanna see hecz sell his portion of Optic and start his own organization and start from a new clean slate.

[@nukenade4623]

needs to lose all his fans for a real clean slate

[@Will-sv9mf]

He wouldn't do that

[@CozeXP]

Welp

[@Ciz4Crummy]

I’d love to hear what dtreats is up to now in a podcast.

[@TimNguyen825]

Does anyone know the game that Formal and Hecz is talking about around the 4 minute mark where Formal lost the 1v1.

[@segen8cake]

Tim Nguyen bo3 optic vs cloud nine cod champs

[@brian2.078]

It frustrates me that these really talented guys have to switch to completely different games every year. Imagine how godlike formal would be if he could just focus on a stable game like CS pros do. On a side note, I hope he considers playing Halo again when the new one drops.

[@GeekdOut]

can someone drop the tl;dr please?

[@benjamesmichael]

GeekdOut they relied too much on their talent and were in denial when they lost. Also wouldn’t practice.

[@angeldelgado1723]

Never forget Optic Predator R.I.P. 🙏🏽

[@crawdad17]

So is optic as a team done or what’s going on cause I missed it

[@prim3rx543]

Idk what hectors roll was in the team back then but how could all this happen? It's sad that it went that far to the point they were miserable.

[@bigblue916]

prim3r x his role? He’s always been open about letting teams run themselves.

[@mattnorris7124]

@@bigblue916 At some point though, you have to step in. You can't guarantee that things would have fixed up if he had, but it's the same with any type of organization, if you're in an ownership/management/coaching position you have to sometimes recognize that you need to be that guy and reel things back in when the usual processes don't work. Doesn't matter if it's sports, esports, stock business or a fast food chain, if you're in a position like that, there will be times where you need to step in and get the house in order.

[@FrankRoosevelt32]

I can feel for Formal on the team dinners and all that. You spend so much time talking with and working with the same 3-4 guys, you might just want time away from them. I love the people I work with, but after 8 hours with them every day I want to go home and not talk to them for a little while.

[@oscarcorreafilmz__381]

Me - faze up Hectz - nahhhh Damn I miss that day at Anaheim where I meet hectz 🥺🙇🏻‍♂️

[@jaydoubleuem]

Cool story

[@sanantonioheat]

Blops 1 days i met Hecz in Orlando at the MLG event. Cool dude

[@DaParkDemon]

Is it me or does formal look like jack black? LMAO

[@antemorph66]

Love OG and Scump, but it was clear from day 1 that his ego was toxic, and he always had shit excuse for everything. he got into his own head

[@pricey000]

Ahh man the early 2010s was the golden years

[@s7r33tdogg]

Crimsix his attitude is 2 big, scump and nade are more relaxed.

[@dannybos7024]

Scump is way too relaxed. He just doesn't have the passion anymore. He got his ring, he won champs, he doesn't have anything to compete for anymore. It's as simple as that.

[@kingluffy2584]

Scump is trash lol

[@---eh8mi]

DannyBos took him years to fluke one ring lmao scumps trash and overrated always has been

[@kingluffy2584]

@@---eh8mi his gunskill is unmatched but that's all he relies on

[@dannybos7024]

@@---eh8mi Facts lmao

[@nicolasmunoznavarro1391]

formal is just rare bro. his thinking is just something else. one of the best ARs for SURE

[@Mxnksz]

Formal is very well spoken, Seems like a great man !

[@dentyph5169]

imagine formal still on OpTic and on maddox with dashy and crim on Icr, karma and scump on saug. would be nasty

[@mudasir6738]

Scump is dogshit why don’t people understand that? Literally optics roster today without Scump and Matt instead is an insane team

[@rightz975]

Crim and scump are trash just like last year dashy and teej are there only good players karma is alright atm

[@joeyd4079]

Crim is the worst are player in the game this year and he's not shit without karma ww2 proved that

[@cesare4926]

Imagine Formal not being your fav player. Could never be me.

[@len8466]

Lets see what Optic doing this COD Champs this weekend! Bring it home!

[@USMC816]

Yon the camera shack at about 4:11 made me have to go back 3 times and rewatch to make sure it wasnt my eyes! I was actually concerned for about 10 seconds lmao!

[@zegan7777]

I really thought gunless and formal would be the next dominant team regardless of the team. But there’s so much competition noe

[@zegan7777]

Now*

[@nathansmith1693]

They might be, they clocked 100T

[@aaronlau4462]

BO3 champs was the most hype cod has ever been for me

[@DaronMerryman]

Formal is a young Jack Black

[@jamesbrannigan3150]

i don't understand what the issue was... sounds like they jist werent practising enough for like 3 seasons? Why?

[@kasuo7039]

Lack of passion for the game and teammates, less hunger because of the satisfactions of prior successes.

[@JJ_Forza]

Did you watch cod during WW2? Issues were clear to see

[@Elguapodelfuego]

Homie won the greeciest hair award

[@aobilly1819]

Cod died optic died simple.

[@playboyjohnathan2978]

Plug SC ghost killed it. AW was solid bo3 was good what ever games came out after we’re ASS. Bo4 was ok but yea cod is dead