Heir's Faction Focus : Rome

Today I cover Rome, and take them against Carthage. Enjoy the opposite of my usual :)

[@ahawkTW]

hey heir! I was your opponent. I normally go by ahawk (hence my YT name). I would have attacked the flank with my scutarii, but I was afraid of being shredded by your archers since scutarii only have 50 armor with weak shield value. What really screwed me was perhaps my over-valueing of your archers. I was really eager to just take them out of the fight right away so they couldn't poke holes in my pike line or infantry, and as a result I lost all my cavalry. My main goal was to zone you out with the cav charges and then rush in with pikes and javs and let my javelins kill your archers, but my cav charges were poorly coordinated, and I wasn't able to push up my pikes and javs in time to provide the necessary support. When I watched your side of the replay I was intrigued by how you baited me with your open lines, because that's exactly what I was thinking of exploiting and what I eventually did. Anyways, gg! :)

[@RiftZM]

I know it's been 3 years, lol. But, at first I was like "Oh, shit..." 'Cuz it looked like you might have had him for a minute. Very well played, though! :D

[@HeirofCarthage]

Newtonian Physics lesson at 18:58.

[@rush4in]

You got to love it. xD

[@totalmadnesman]

Rush4in Imagine if he would be naked..man that would be like 100% cooler :D

[@rush4in]

totalmadnesman OMG

[@totalmadnesman]

:D Maybe it is already my time (insider ^^) Wouldnt it ?

[@Dan0Dead0Or0Alive]

8:30 Base moral on Leves is 20.... It's like they don't even want to be there to begin with.

[@soccernss]

Yeah, they are basically levies, or poor townspeople or farmers that are forced to fight

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

Would you want to be getting shot at and stabbed?

[@morriganshepard]

How accurate is this video for the Roman faction today at the end of 2019. I would love to see a return to these older videos to give them a quality of life update.

[@Rukdug]

The Germanic tribes fought a very back and forth fight with the Romans. The German tribesmen were master guerrilla fighters and ambushers. Whenever the Germans ambushed Romans or attacked them in forested areas they tended to win decisively, and when the Romans attacked the Germans in an open field battle or siege the Romans tended to win. Eventually the Romans decided it was too much effort and casualties for too little reward and pulled back to the Rhine and Danube as borders. They then proceeded to hire large numbers of Germans as auxiliaries for cavalry, Skirmishers, and light infantry. Basically they fought each other to a stalemate that the Romans decided was insignificant compared to the Parthians.

[@dappadan22]

tell that to the dacians, eventually Rome had quite enough of their guerilla and hit n run tactics and built a bridge across the river which was their main defence..

[@HeWhoEatsCereal]

Yeah one of the main struggles for Rome was finding a good target to attack i.e. A capital or major city to make a faction surrender, Germanic tribes had no such places and had mostly forests allowing them continued resistance in their homeland fighting battles on their terms throughout all of germania, aka impossible to occupy

[@HeWhoEatsCereal]

***** to be fair, Rome's military was not at it's strongest at this point and the country was on the brink of civil war. Caesar was going to attack Dacia with his army that wrecked Gaul in even greater numbers. He died before any of this happened but i'm sure they would have been able to do it

[@RomesFinest88]

Heir I really liked when you did the live battles for the faction focus because we can see your decision making while it happens and it helps to learn the game mechanics better :)

[@Blourik]

one of the new general's abilities retrieves the exhaustion of the troops in range. Very usefull in long fights or lot of running. :) Very well explained video, as usual.^^ All the best.

[@muaz91]

Very well fought I thought that was technically brilliant, really enjoyed watching that. Thanks again for the tactical lesson, although to me these videos are strategically insightful to. Hope to face you in battle someday it'll be fun.

[@owenhughes-composer6584]

Loved the gladiator reference haha

[@cadarn1274]

Pretty disappointed that Gladiator units are still included in the total war games. Far as I know the only evidence for gladiators in battle is from the Spartacus revolt which was AGAINST Rome so it seems a little silly seeing them in Rome's roster. I also doubt that if a gladiator did find himself off to a real war he'd be wearing gladiator gear designed specifically for duel type fighting.

[@Quicksilver_Cookie]

Apparently during Spartacus revolt people used some pieces of gladiator armor and weapons to fight. Seems logical. If you have nothing else, that'll do. So it all stems from that. Unfortunately it's misunderstood by some people as "gladiators fought on a battlefield".

[@codysing1223]

Throughout the 2nd and 3rd centuries gladiators were not uncommon to see on the battlefield. A usurper even used an entire army of them to seize Rome for a short time. They were usually offered their freedom for participating and offered employment in the legions if they excelled.

[@kampfwagen]

@@codysing1223 I'm pretty sure they would have still been equipped like a standard legionary of the time though and thus indistinguishable from soldiers who were not gladiators.

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

@@kampfwagen they probably having gladiator gear due to their role as fast infantry to surprise the opponents. Gladiator are expert at 1v1 combat, not line formation fighting

[@theamericancristero7390]

The gladiators of Spartacus's revolt used their arena gear at first, and immediately switched over to captured Roman gear. After Trasemine, Hannibal equipped his Iberians in lorica hamata, a bronze coolus helm, a Roman gladius, and the scutum, which is partially what made their encirclement at Cannae so effective; They were basically impossible to distinguish from Romans, for the Romans.

[@connorliddicott2076]

Been looking forward to this one.

[@kurtsell8376]

Loyalty of the10th makes a unit's. Moral up breakable for a certain amount of time And Presence makes all units ability a recharge faster

[@koslegoman]

Rome, finally... Great video!

[@nekonari22]

I've been reading up on battle tactics of these ancient superpowers and I'm wondering if those could be used in Rome II with real effectiveness. Like the manipular, checkerboard movement of Roman units (from my understanding, this is where you have Hastati in front, legionnaires second, triarii third, and having each line move up and down). It feels like I don't see this anywhere in the game, and most gets resolved in mostly same way one way or another.

[@jackamatyus]

Basically realistic strategies don't translate in effectiveness due to game mechanics. The game heavily focuses on getting your opponent to rout, and doing so quickly since units kill each other very quickly and army sizes are limited to being relatively small. There is a massive emphasis on flanking, since it is the quickest method of routing your opponent and is relatively easy since armies and battlelines are always limited in size. Manipular works in Rome 2, it's just not effective - why make gaps for skirmishers that filter through your units anyway? Why have three lines of five infantry when you could have one line of 15 that can easily wrap around your opponent's flanks and cause a quick rout? Why save most of your units in reserve for a drawn out fight when battles are short and highly dependent on you chewing through your opponents units more quickly than they your's? No doubt some realistic strategies work, e.g hammer and anvil, they just have to be ones that work with the mechanics.

[@pyry1948]

Peter Park those were early roman units. this is little bit later time period, but you are right, they had a 3 line system with rookies in front and the veterans at the back (1st Hastati 2nd Principes 3rd Triarii)

[@ValkyrieOey]

Peter Park There is another total war channel called THFE Productions, the guys name is Oakley and he does a lot of these historical strategies but adapts them into the game. Jack Matus is right in the game mechanics make it hard for you to incooperate ancient strategies, however there are ways of making it work by adapting the strategies according to game mechanics. And it was Hastati, then principes and then Triarii, you have to remmeber this is pre-marian rome so you didn't have legionaries yet. How Oakley does it is he has his hastati engage, and then charge his principes in behind the hastati, and then the triarii. HOw they would have done it in Historical context is have the Hastati charge, and then pull back behind the Principes, then again until it reaches the Triari. The checkerboard movement was to traverse ground, in battle they would actually deploy into a line. Btw, its called the Triplex Acies, not manipular checkedboard movement. Hopethis helped.

[@matthewkromm2168]

Just gonna say that it was Principes in second. All were technically legionaries as they were in a legion

[@kopipal5484]

Roman counters: nomads, forests, hannibal (temporary bonus) 😂

[@manisgreedy4725]

Only if Romans are lead by retard "generals" ( Crasso for example, Varo is another 1 and many others).

[@MrGoofie16]

Hey heir, I don't play MP, but love all the MP videos from you and all the other youtubers. Anyways, I have seen in Shogun 2 that a player can change the color of his/her units. Do you think that would of been a cool feature to have in Rome 2? Would be sweet to see Romans in black. And Parthia would look better in anything than the clown costumes they have now. Thanks and keep up the amazing work.

[@kieranstanley-hirst6089]

haha where did that flying guy even come from?! great video

[@Valheru779]

love you're content mate keep it up

[@lostbladder]

I know I keep commenting on your old videos and I'm probably getting annoying but o have a question. First thank you for answering my other question I really appreciate it. What kind of army should I built to take on Seleucid in campaign playing as Rome?

[@0XxKabalxX0]

Heir make longer campaign videos i really enjoy those especially when you upload them daily

[@ironskull3955]

Badass Replay!

[@PlainDoll]

Triariyay extraordinariyay soke

[@maxerdoodles]

Was wondering if you could do a Carthage faction focus? Would really help if you have the time.

[@atasmrk2012]

@KZbin Guy You have to buy them separately in the DLC packs. Sadly this has been CA/Sega's policy since Shogun 2...

[@bloodangel9403]

Heir, I just noticed that the Encourage ability doesn't show on the moral of the units that's supposed to work on. Do you think it is bugged? Or maybe it works but it doesn't show.

[@GrimleyKhan]

I am very entertained from a cav charge into the back of infantry

[@prakhartheg]

You patchy... are an absolute genius. I love you.

[@immortalcorvus2518]

HeirofCarthage Just a suggestion: Have you ever considered doing a campaign as one of the Nomadic factions?

[@immortalcorvus2518]

Two words: Mercenaries. Even though the Roxolani, Massagetae, and Royal Scythians have no dedicated melee infantry per se (other than the ubiquitous Young Axes, which are complete and utter CRAP), they can hire some. Also they can get elephants as mercenaries (like the Syrian Elephants in the Beasts of War DLC) and even form the Horde of the Steppe (via establishing confederations like all other barbarian factions). And they do have the Steppe Ballista, even though that's just about it for siege weapons on their part.

[@JB-rv3js]

ImmortalCorvus "Mercenaries" is only one word...

[@WTFisDrifting]

Connor Baltz just brig balistas then there is no need for ladders

[@swiggitymcswaggerson8771]

"Vigiles=Dog Crap" -Heir 2014 rofl

[@smokefire3]

the scoii extrodinarii (something like that) those footmen are Similar states to the samnite Sword Mercs (High armor Low attack in comparison)

[@Selvariabell]

CA really did the auxiliary infantry dirty, especially since historically, they receive the same level of training and discipline as the regular legions. They should at least be able to make the same formations as the legionnaires

[@kurtsell8376]

Indypride said that Most cav will demolish gladiator spear men if they charge them, and I tested this with Eastern and Royal cataphracts and they moped up the gladiators with around 10 - 1 casualty ratios in the cav's favor.

[@ProfessorPlantPot]

Indypride's a bit of a dick though...

[@kurtsell8376]

maybe, I don't think so but you can have your opinion

[@Rutang835]

I REALLY want to see that cav testudo

[@CALOKERINOS]

Sparta's Pikemen are wortheless, must because of their stats but because theres no tough cav unit to compliment them. Surely a more flexible hopolite skirmisher with citizen cav would be wiser, otherwise Sparta will always be outmaneuvered by a human opponent. maybe bring 1, max 2 pikes but no more

[@jackduncan5311]

Heir was this large funds? if so you could have had 5 evocati and 1 cohort instead of all cohort

[@thomasmynard9853]

When are you doing the carthage one?

[@totalmadnesman]

The best at the end ;)

[@claudespeedthebest]

I like your videos,anyway please could you pronunce in the right way the latin names? Latin has the same pronunciation of the actual Italian,so is not "soki hastati" is "sochi hastati" ;)

[@thisistom1408]

If only pikes could form square

[@DrR0mer0]

Just a heads up, Leves do not have flaming shot

[@Alvenansula]

lol dude.. u got that draco effect wrong.. the effect is affect the enemy units not our units once activated.. so the enemy unit CAN'T bracing and bonus vs large are reduced for certain amount points.

[@89tonstar]

I can think of only one man who can take on a unit of Pretorian Guard, General Maximus! Slaughtered an entire unit sent to over see his execution.

[@demerzel3798]

He killed 4 men and took them by surprise. And suffered a major injury. He's a badass but no.

[@feynwanzer8968]

I noticed this today, and don't know if you have pointed it out already, but when did Archers get 150 range?

[@Hxmgreat]

quite some time already, at least since patch 9 ( when i got the game)

[@Hermestrismegiston]

Actually it's only some archers, I think only those with composite bows, usually used by the eastern factions, but as these are auxilliaries from Syria it kind of makes sense. Normal greek and barbarian archers (for example) still have 125 range.

[@nodosaroshan7815]

You forgot that Roman sword units have no bracing ability exept standing still. Wich could be a weakness when fighting shock cav like Cataphracts.

[@kaupo8699]

2:00 how good is encyclopedia :)

[@Adamrobles76]

Yea, I watched this on my phone and the quality was pretty low. I thought I turned of high quality. Idk what happened.

[@youtubeguy6874]

How come I don't have some factions? I don't have Boii and Sparta and some more. Do you have to unlock them or is it from Workshop. I just bought the game so I wanna know.

[@jerec1267]

+KZbin Guy sparta is in the greek state DLC. wait for the faction DLCS to go on sale before getting them they just aren't worth normal asking price

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

+KZbin Guy As Jerec said, they are additional content that can be bought off the steam shop for about 10 dollars each maybe on regular price but it is wise to wait for sales when they are much cheaper and then worth the money at maybe 3 dollars

[@jerec1267]

and as for boii they are in the caesar in gaul expansion. syracuse is in the hannibal expansion

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

hey heir, or someone.. im new on watching rome 2, how do you know the strenght of a faction? what are the criters to know it??

[@matthewkromm2168]

You hold it up horizontally to the ground and drop water on it one drop at a time. Whichever faction lets the most wate through his is the weakest and whichever is the most absorbent is the strongest.

[@zoningouterspace]

what the fuck?

[@zehaha111]

The carthaginian player misused his cav, especially the campanian cav, pretty hard ( no offense intended). That was the deciding point / factor i think. Using campanian cav to kill some skirmishers or archers for example is not effectiv at all. Iberian or carthaginian cav would have been the better joice for that task, while attacking on the flank with campanian cav, supported by hoplites ( vs praet cav ) and scutarii ( vs inf ). If he could have won the fight on the flank, the outcome of the battle in the center would have been meaningless in my opinion.

[@YoungFoolsLearn]

Do Napoleonic total war!

[@sg0310]

rome to stronk

[@ptolemeysrealm842]

I didn't watch the rest of the video yet but: 11:47: Its not a glitch youre just defending in a city

[@totalmadnesman]

Wait wait.. Shok cav with 1..1(!) melee defens ?:D What the fuck !? :D So if they are in a fight for longer than..10 seconds they will drop like flies ?! :DD

[@blademaster3090]

not really..their health and armor usually makes up for their melee defense, of course they will not last in a prolonged fight, but they wont die in a matter of seconds..

[@rush4in]

Yup! :D

[@totalmadnesman]

How ridicouless :D

[@rush4in]

totalmadnesman Isn't it? :P

[@totalmadnesman]

Its like..ohh noo the pleb just stapped my foot..I die ! :D

[@alexkayak6587]

its funny that the heir of Carthrage did not actually cover Carthrage. After the free updatw and Hatg they arw one of the best out there

[@kodyandkara]

Are you not entertained Hahaha. - The Gladiator.

[@zeus0710]

where is carthage in this faction focus series?

[@jerec1267]

+Joel Gonzalez Jr. ironic that hte heir of carthage never did carthage

[@infintittie]

saved it

[@caymuscairns6845]

Heir do you ever lose?

[@ez861]

Am I the only one who Thinks Bataria is in a too much of an easy position. I mean they could snowball into the nomadic factions because they are Good Pikeman and Iranian Javelinmen so it will take alot of skill to beat Bataria.

[@JVTVable]

gg

[@felicianjie]

dose patch 12 automaticaly update ?

[@MrMasonthebest]

A girl that plays rome 2? Marry me.....

[@DaddysBalzaq]

Is rome we'll balanced

[@Jettania]

You have a strategy series?

[@ThanatosXVI]

No its a series that explains the factions in the game

[@Jettania]

Let me re-word my question: "Do you have a strategy series? Or plan to make one?"

[@ronnguyen9798]

He explains strategies in episodes he uploads like campaign and multiplayer...And FYI this channel is pretty much about strategy games

[@Jettania]

nvm I'll just sift through hours of content just to get one little bit of strategic advise. Don't get me wrong this channel is amazing

[@ronnguyen9798]

What??? He has strategic advice on his channel everywhere dude. Go to multiplayer like shogun 2, Rome 2,etc and his other campaigns where he explain his strategic movements and stuff... You need to open up ur eyes and ears and listen

[@EEPvids]

Is Carthage one of the more powerful factions?

[@michelelyons9078]

not really, they are ok

[@Topo-Grigio1312]

I wanna say yes. They have more tools at their disposal than most other factions, and good tools at that. They lack cost effective shock cav, but in most scenarios they can make up for that with elephants.

[@MrMasonthebest]

I would say the pest is either rome or the Spartans...........but mso say the Spartans suck because no archers or cav so I guess it's me that wins with them

[@kurtsell8376]

Dose Rome really need spears in battle to fight off enemy cav? I don't know.

[@totalmadnesman]

Yes sometimes, the shoccav is bad, and melee cav alone cant hold against elefantes and cataphrakts.

[@WTFisDrifting]

yo kurt bring rome with no spears and ill bring a nomad faction and ill show you what would happen in that situation.

[@kurtsell8376]

If you brought nomadic tribes I would just bring a spear/pike faction

[@WTFisDrifting]

Yeah duh that defeats your first comment bout not needing spears when playing as rome. Btw pikes and spears are not a big prob unless you pike box.

[@VL1975]

Remember you are comparing Pre-Marian vs post Marian troops...clearly the post Marian troops would be superior.

[@Valheru779]

why only 360p??

[@wogsterjohnson6754]

i have 720p, i wonder why u dont....

[@VL1975]

no you didnt...lol

[@mensmentiserus]

You have to wait a little while after a video is uploaded for it to render in all qualities. The higher the quality the longer the wait.

[@Valheru779]

Thank you in my youtube naivety and impatience spoke to soon thank you Mensentiserus

[@TheTeodorsoldierabvb]

thats pretty unfair. not your play, heir, but the way the game works. i mean, what could he do against your roman build with carthage? not much, you said it yourself. your melle infantry can hack his, you counter his elefants, his cav is a lot weaker than yours. carthage needs a buff.

[@animation1697]

+Петров No the Carthage cav is one of the best the Romans won because he pinned his cav down with infantry

[@zeus0710]

carthage has better cav than rome

[@---du3nm]

nah nah rome is the best!

[@briceonyoutube7215]

You mispronounce every single one of them... XD

[@TheTank1900]

Don't know this for sure. but pretty sure Socii is pronounced SO-sea-eye, not SOCK-ee. Just to let you know.

[@InvictaHistory]

the way things were pronounced by ancient Romans is by no means certain and there is no consensus on how their form of latin sounded

[@TheTank1900]

I'm just going off precedent, how the game says it, and how the Latin teacher at my school says it.

[@Hacker22ify]

Latin teacher at my School said Sock-eee-ee.... then his replacement said Sock-ee-eye lol its one of those we arent entire sure since English bastardises it quite heavily

[@TheTank1900]

I asked my Latin Teacher and he said Sock-ee-eye, due to the fact that most latin speakers now don't pronounce the soft c unless you are ecclesiastical, so my bad.

[@antred11]

Tank 1900 I assure you it's definitely not Socke-ee-eye, since pronouncing "i" as eye in some places is just an English thing. The Latins NEVER pronounced "i" as eye.

[@samdjonovic7652]

Hey air can i be in tgn army plz

[@THEJustinOfAllTime]

air? AIR? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ha.... haha..... oh my god... do you not know how to spell heir? hahahaha

[@samdjonovic7652]

+darklordschannel haha not funny

[@THEJustinOfAllTime]

Sam/Maximus djonovic yeah but your IQ level is.

[@samdjonovic7652]

+darklordschannel at least I'm not apart of the illuminati

[@THEJustinOfAllTime]

+Sam/Maximus djonovic thats from legand of zelda.you really are not that bright are you?

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

When I look at Rome (faction) I see so much lazyness on part of the programmers, esp. compared to other factions; esp. the bloated auxiliary-system is an insult to the customers of that company (esp. if you compare with actual historic facts); why can't other factions do that sort of thing, to supplement their armies? - why can Rome do it (without *any* tradeoffs in regards to the factions those units actually belong to; like higher price or lower stats) w/o even having to make some factions satrapies (maybe call them "socii" in case of Rome), a pain others would have to go through to even have an off(!)chance of implementing some interesting foreign units? - it gets outright absurd when looking at the possibility of adding cheap/cost-effective standard Balearic slingers, compared to carthage, which has to pay a hefty price for those, only getting them as mercenaries, *even though* the Balearic region, in the game, is one of their (!) starting territories? - Rome having elephants - geez, that's even beyond retarded... and then, when playing other factions, they are a lazy, inconsistent copy of roman society; compare civil war function for that matter; or why do my royal Peltasts scream, that they were proud to serve the republic (say what?... I feel like performing the good old tradition of decimation...) I know, why I didn't buy this game at first... day-1-DLCs are always a very bad sign...

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

and then there's the idiotic thing with Rome having better cav than, e.g. Carthage... that's just.... I don't even have words for it!

[@edwarddundon-smith9059]

+PyrrhoVonHyperborea remember there is some balancing taking place cause this is a game. Historical doesnt always = best

[@SuperCompany007]

Leves is pronounced. Lev-ees not lev-ez.

[@totalmadnesman]

Nah come on dont be like that. Its also proununced Prin-ki-pays, and who cares ?!

[@SuperCompany007]

totalmadnesman I care!

[@totalmadnesman]

Get over it, you cant demand someone to speak Latin English French German.. He is doing it quit well..

[@jimheaton9503]

totalmadnesman Well, "correct" Latin pronunciation is basically educated guesswork in the 21st century anyway. I learnt Latin at school and the rules I was taught for pronunciation would have resulted in that sounding more like "lay-vess". My Latin teacher was pretty ancient but I doubt he knew first hand!

[@totalmadnesman]

Jim Heaton Anyway..its not a big deal that people dont speak EVERY language..

[@jeffjrjeb3912]

PLEASE CHANGE YOUR KZbin WHAT THE CRAP IS GOING ON.

[@edwardbettencourt7389]

Show your face in the vidios