Held hostage by HeyGears (Reflex RS First Impressions)

[@NapGod]

Oh wow. This video was *excellent*, and I think there's a YT channel or two I can't trust anymore. Thank you for being honest.

[@jb2850]

I feel the same

[@georgemoonman2830]

2 grand for a 3d printer? like, we are buying a 3d printer to print mini's precisely because we DON'T want to spend 2k on an army, I think they've completely missed the point

[@SnakewithaGun]

I was on the verge of considering HeyGears when I was considering getting into Resin printing. I already have an Ender 3 as my first little fdm printing then upgraded to a Sovol SV-06 Plus. Just like how I just didn't like Bambo printers and don't like being extremely limited in what products I can use in my printers.

[@knightsljx]

One thing about resin printing I have always questioned.... Why isn't clear resin the default option? Like.... Wouldn't that help immensely with curing the model properly? Since the light can penetrate the entire print?

[@Botanical4038]

the "I want a printer that "just works" rhetoric ... over there *cough cough* is dumbfounding to me. I am very new to resin printing. The Saturn 4 Ultra seems to "just work" for me. I don't understand this narrative that this is the first printer that "just works".

[@johnmulligan9299]

honesty is the best plan of action

[@ahero4heor]

We still use the A3D at work, on a lease and they do any maintenance we really need, but they HATE the Reflex series 😆

[@firebug1460]

Fyi, they added the ability to adjust the burn in layer in menu

[@killinusoftly7744]

is this the new spyware addition where they keep logs on your prints? Thats why they want you to login

[@miguellopez3392]

Lychee slicer does this as well but no one complains.

[@theromeog]

i'm sure your latest Cults3d army is safe from prying eyes.

[@miguellopez3392]

@@theromeog lol hell no, you know how much marketing data you can get by logging what people print and how?

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

@@miguellopez3392 lychee allows you to enable and store history and does it overly loud, to the point that i had to disable history because it's f annoying

[@kretson]

Sorry but these printers are 0/10 due to being locked systems, never allow 3d printer manufacturers to play an inkjet on us

[@demijebus6831]

Hard pass for sure.

[@MattHealey.]

It’s not locked. Ask greedy3d. You can use all sorts of resin in it.

[@Cc0hort]

I think it would be great if creators said they've signed a contract with the company. Just so you know it's an edited review going into things

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Yep, I really would love to see more transparency here on YT

[@dino.hurricane978]

For someone that's looking to start their resin printing journey which resin printer do you recommend? I don't mind tweaking settings on a computer. What I care most about is ease of use when handling the printer and resin.

[@Havocrx]

I wish I would have watched this video before purchasing. Although I have yet to have regrets (I haven't printed many projects yet.) , I'm thinking I could have benefited from being patient, but I fell into the trap of being convinced by KZbinrs that this was the "Bambu Labs" of resin printers. Time will tell I guess. I appreciate the honesty and effort in this video, thanks.

[@Speakhardly]

Don’t worry. This video is right to criticize HeyGears but went a bit too hard on the rhetoric. It’s a great printer. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.

[@yoschiannik8438]

If you have the money to look at the price tag and go "yes please, this is a fair deal to start this hobby" you should be fine

[@jimwilliamson5594]

All ya have to do is look at how they got away with crap in the dental industry. Ya may get away with that crap in desperate industries but on the conventional market, they are just shooting them selves in the foot and showing their dirty underhanded business practices. This is really not a good idea on the consumer market. As I’ve been quoted saying before. “Over priced junk”.

[@themasterseye]

Apple would like a word

[@jimwilliamson5594]

@ bahahahah your funny, how’s that working out for them again. With out jobs Appel is a joke.

[@Chaos_Rifle]

for boxes, as long as things reliably arrive undamaged and are not actively a pain to open: whatever. Will never buy a printer that tries to lock me in to their filament/resin.

[@FrazzledDadsMinis]

Good on you for being so open about your own affiliate income. I think you did a great job being fair and thought-provoking in a balanced way.

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Thanks Mr Frazzled, this certainly wasn't an easy topic to tackle.

[@benstaffordson7163]

Honestly, my impression of heygears - talking to a local creator via discord - was that they genuinely love the machine.... but they also do a lot of designing/prototyping. They don't want to deal with supports or failures. And for that purpose I get it. Printing off 6 variations and deciding what to support and go with? Fair enough. For the sake of miniatures in ultra-tough (pun intended) resins, I don't see much in it. To prove a point I grabbed a printed tank track assembly (cover, tracks, internals, etc) and threw it on the concrete floor of the shed, I bent the edge of a track tooth. Oh no. I paid $40/KG on sale for it. Heygears wanting $108/KG for abs-like that can't handle that sort of abuse is... kinda sad.

[@thejdi]

As usual a very good video. I want to reiterate the point here, HeyGears is not a company that used to aim at consumers. This is for companies (for example a dentist) that need to get a (accurate detailed) 3d model on the fast and inhouse. These people are not experts and this would only be a tiny part of their daily task. No thoughts are needed here, insert resin follow video guide, print and clean. Job done. HG just found out that some consumers are willing to pay top price for a prosumer/consumer product that is priced quite high2. And that is fine, let them. Other brands will follow suit on the 'features'. I would not be surprised that people wou buy this feel superior to us mono2 users. Its a branding an image thing, nothing more nothing less. **looks at anycubic mono, yes youre a good boy. yes you are!!**

[@MilitantWildcat07]

I bought one and am very happy with it.

[@OnceinaSixSide]

It is a great printer!

[@MilitantWildcat07]

@@OnceinaSixSide And you make great videos. I appreciate your take on the hobby in general and I’ll be honest I cancelled my RS preorder because of your initial review. I went with the GK3 Ultra instead up until that launched with a ton of issues. Decided to go back to the RS once I better understood my use case and accepted the limitations of owning a HeyGears printer. Keep making quality content. Sorry I didn’t use your affiliate link 😅 Also, one small tip but the fan noise you commented on goes away after you install the first update.

[@wombat74]

Great video as usual - it's so frustrating when great hardware gets locked down behind proprietary crap like this. It reminds me of the new BMW approach of requiring a subscription to enable heated seats in your car. Completely unrelated, you mentioned in a previous video what the tray you use for post processing was, but I can't remember what it was. Could I be rude and ask again what it is?

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Of course, its this thing here bit.ly/oiass_saucer That BMW thing is scary indeed, and yeah this HeyGears system creeps a little too close to that for my taste as well.

[@wombat74]

@@OnceinaSixSide Thanks to late night Christmas shopping at Bunnings, I just grabbed one of the trays. Thanks again!

[@diegomartinez4451]

Hi! Great video as always, I have a question about the Patreon. When subscribed, do you get all the stls, like old ones too, or only this month? I saw a video with a few minis I was interested in, but since it's old I was wondering if it would be accessible through your Patreon still. Cheers!

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Thanks for asking! Many of the models are limited time releases that expire at the end of the month, however there are a bunch of minis in the welcome pack that are always available.

[@diegomartinez4451]

@@OnceinaSixSide Great! thanks for answering! a pity since a lot of those minis i really loved, but the "limited time" is a sweet attraction. I'll have to subscribe in order to not miss them! Cheers!

[@doombringer4519]

A certain KZbinr does come to mind when you talk about HeyGears glazing... Which when they started doing that i immediately started distrusting their point of view

[@badboibubby1878]

It’s good to name the glazers

[@Victor-vj5ds]

Who?

[@Victor-vj5ds]

Who?

[@The-Avien]

Fauxhammer I’m guessing. He’s only short of mounting the printers and going to happy town in his videos

[@doombringer4519]

@@badboibubby1878 I would rather respect the wishes of our favorite Australian here and not start anything, but let's just say he's very popular and has been mentioned in this comment chain.

[@ThylineTheGay]

31:55 pop-outs are literally the worst way to enter values into, they're fiddly, need excess scrolling, can't be easily found, and _always_ have irritating issues with closing if you interact with anything else just have a _settings page_ like all well designed apps do

[@AdventurePrinting]

About obsolescence.. best printers I have are Mars 2 Pro. Screens never die 🤷🏻‍♂️ (low resolution probably means more transparency and less UV damage).

[@ThylineTheGay]

if their commission rate is so high, well, i doubt they'd me making a _loss_ on each printer, so, that begs the questions, how BIG is their profit margin on these machines?, and _what is it costing the product, quality-wise?_

[@ThylineTheGay]

and the three things you mention in how it affects creators, they won't necessarily be _intentionally_ done, or even be that obvious, but just a slight bias

[@viscarious1]

Wow dude, Kudos for showing actual income figures. Video liked.

[@decksirwin4540]

Girly man's rowboat is easily the best presupported file I've printed 🤙

[@evren.builds]

I like that your video was able to push them to convert their slicer to be offline use compatible. The fact that they did it in 3 days means that it was purely restriction they created.

[@Speakhardly]

It wasn’t just his video. Fauxhammer was also calling for it, as well as others. This channel took a bit too much credit for it in this video.

[@evren.builds]

@@Speakhardly ah gotcha

[@yoschiannik8438]

​@@Speakhardly Fauxhammer called fir it, after he git hammered by the community fir not mentioning it and spreading bs in a hasty stream to safe face. OASS can absolutly take credit on this

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Yeah as far as I'm aware I'm the only one who ever called it out, and the backlash on HG and (unfortunately) other content creators was large enough that they quickly made an announcement that it was coming. I watched an ungodly amount of videos on HeyGears machines, and scrolled a mountain of HeyGears posts and discussions to make sure I had all the facts straight for this one.

[@evren.builds]

@@OnceinaSixSide Good to know we have sb strictly on consumers side. I feel like the paces of innovation have been wildly different on resin printers and that kind of harms the norm of whats expected from the products. One day we'll have truly open and plug and play systems. Lychee slicer profiles have been a life saver for me for example. First print ever on first machine worked out amazingly with a full build plate.

[@youtubevanced4900]

Man I wouldn’t have sprayed ISO next to a full vat of resin. That was ballsy.

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Fuck emptying that vat first 😂

[@bobh9492]

Never gonna buy that crap then.

[@Palooka37]

24:20 - re: LCD whine, is that audible in the recording? I thought my high frequency hearing was pretty on point and i couldn't really hear it

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Yep it's definitely present here in the video, I can hear it clearly. You could even download it and then run it through a spectral analyzer. You'll see the big spike at 15k for yourself then. Sorry about your hearing 🥲

[@Palooka37]

@OnceinaSixSide lol you monster, turned out my headphones were filtering it out

[@savagechimpmunk1265]

Every video you make about Heygears further cements that I will never buy anything Heygears. So many better options

[@mrmidnight32]

Everyone saying not to trust these reviews is into something. I’ve never seen a company thrust so much money into marketing and force feeding KZbinrs these printers. I’ve never seen so many KZbinrs essentially have the same exact script. I’ve never seen so many KZbinrs who hate resign act like it’s amazing now. I’ve never seen so many KZbinrs down play the annoyances and insane costs to run this per their standards when I’ve seen them go on rants about so much less. This entire marketing campaign reeks of paid to promote (even tho I know it’s not) but I feel like I’m being sold Obama care again or something heavily funded, advertised and force fed to buy a product and ignore the red flags of the product. I want to get a resign printer but this one doesn’t seem trustable

[@xephorce]

i want to see someone hack these damn things and hook up a regular compressor to the system. i like the printers but they feel pompous about it.

[@NoizieWorks]

Thanks bud ✌ Hot take, fuck affiliate programs 👀

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Haha yeah man, but that bag is too good not to take 🥲 I think affiliate programs are okay, just so long as we do a better job disclosing it all

[@NoizieWorks]

@@OnceinaSixSide That would be a good start!

[@eaglesfly5236]

Just all sounds too hard. I can't be bothered putting up with ANY BULLSHIT from a company.

[@mateuszwwex5127]

27:00 you pay so much for printer and have those supports marks? I'm sorry, maybe thats just support settings but I would lost my mind having that kind of support marks

[@yoschiannik8438]

Its the Auto supports. If you use ore supported fikes you shoukd be fine. Support marks are not printer dependend. Youd get the same on any other printer if the stl is supported that way.

[@mateuszwwex5127]

@@yoschiannik8438 light supports, ultra density and 0.30 tip diameter and you have no marks, using this even on the biggest prints from M7 Max

[@liptojaj]

The bottles are 1Kg, not 1L, that's why they fit. Resin is quite heavier than water.

[@Zeriel00]

Why even bother with anti consumer companies like these? Theres plenty of other printers to chose from and that proprietary resin is not gonna fly

[@Rothgar59]

Loved the video, Great points.

[@Balerion84]

"Dialing a resin isn't hard"... coming from someone who ruined a gk2 plate by sanding it because he couldn't get anything to adhere :D I enjoy your videos very much for their entertainment value, but you kinda shot yourself in the leg there :D

[@JohnDoe-ot5ir]

Excellent info. I currently own several Anycubic printers from the m5s, m7pro, m7max, and decided to add a mono 4 ultra. Not to mention elegoo s3u. They have all been absolutely great. Therefore, I have no reason or intention on buying into the heygears rip off bs.

[@armorclasshero2103]

If a video is sponsored, it is required by Law to disclose that sponsorship, including any remuneration received for that video. This is true when you receive *anything* of value from a company, not just money.

[@sirjynx3041]

Thanks for making me feel old. I hope your hearing goes too soon so we can share not hearing that sound, whatever it was.

[@greenman360]

I knew this printer and company was never going to be for me when I saw no less than four "independent" reviewers all refer to it the same way and use all the same talking points. Ironic considering one of those points was to constantly refer to it as "the Bambu of resin." Another printer and company I will never buy. "Influencer marketing" is pathetic. Make a good product. It will sell itself. When you gotta pay people to shill it for you, it's not good.

[@AntiVaganza]

Thanks so much for not being a shill.

[@JameTek]

Yeah I have no interest in Heygears. Give me a nice affordable Anycubic or Elegoo -- even their relatively high end models are cheaper than this and just work great. Resin printers just don't seem to be a place where spending a lot of money gets you very much. Even in the FDM world, the A1 series is the perfect printer for 95% of people and its very affordable. Anything over the price of like an S4U or M5sPro is just throwing away money for basically nothing.

[@Speakhardly]

Nice video. Though… are you maybe taking a bit too much credit for calling out HeyGears about the online-only slicer? You certainly weren’t the only one to complain about it.

[@yoschiannik8438]

Hey at the very least was a big part of it. Basicly he made the video, and suddenly another Reviewer by the name of FauxHammer got hammerd for not mentioning it, even had to do an emergency stream to adress the alligatioks that he was a shill. 3 days after the original video got realised HeyGears announced that they will add a ofline mode. OIASS was defenatly a major oart of that change, at the very least

[@OnceinaSixSide]

I watched every single video, and read every single post on Reddit and Facebook before my last video. There are users who asked about it (and were told it's not possible) as I showed in this video, but not one single other content creator ever mentioned this. The blowback from my video pointing that out was so bad for HG, and (unfortunately) some fellow KZbinrs that HG just three days later for the first time publicly acknowledged they would be addressing the issue. I don't like sitting here and having to point out that I'm responsible for this, but the fact they were successful in blurring the truth so quickly I feel I have no choice.

[@ThylineTheGay]

regular updates are good and all... until they do a crowdstrike

[@Andrew12217]

If it can be solved it 3 days the it was never an issue to begin with...

[@Speakhardly]

Or they were already working on it…

[@yoschiannik8438]

​@@Speakhardly verefibly not

[@yoschiannik8438]

Oh trust me, the software engneers had a big "are you fucking seriouse!" moment. It took them more than 3 days to get that stuff running smoothly

[@OnceinaSixSide]

3 days to announce it was coming, and I think about 6 weeks to implement it.

[@Andrew12217]

@@OnceinaSixSide that sounds more reasonable👍

[@surlycanadian]

45:35. Can’t people such as yourself just share all of those print profiles for all kinds of different resins that you just said you’ve got tons of? Isn’t it as easy as people in the community sharing it with the rest of the community?

[@AnotherNewManGaming]

But the print profiles that he has created are configured for his print farm step up, temperature ect. they would prob not work in my garden shed setup. I think the message it that just learn how to calibrate the resin you are using yourself.

[@AnotherNewManGaming]

@@surlycanadian good point.. ☝️

[@surlycanadian]

@@AnotherNewManGaming then his whole spiel about the manufacturers releasing print files is meaningless

[@surlycanadian]

@@AnotherNewManGaming sorry about the double post. My first one didn’t @ you correctly and I wasn’t sure you were going to get a notification

[@yoschiannik8438]

​@@surlycanadian Thats exactly what he is critizizing about the HeyGers Machin. If your particular set up is doffrent from what HeyGears calibrated their resins for, youre just fucked. You just cant change anything for yourself. Calibrating your resin is not that much efford. 1 ir two prints just dont matter compared to the total you will end up pronting

[@shirgall]

I'd rather spring for the heated vat because of the pulse release module.