Helicopter effect?! | Cleaning process, automatic device & reversing wheels treatment | Watch Repair

In this ASMR watch repair and service tutorial video, we try to fix a spinning rotor (helicopter effect) on an ETA 2452 caliber. How does the cleaning proces work? Disassembling of the automatic device module, ultrasonic cleaning (Elma Elmasonic S30H), use of an automatic watch cleaning machine (Elma Elmasolvex RM), special treatment of the reversing wheels with Lubeta V105 and reassembling, lubrication and testing of the automatic device module.
Besides all of that, you always see some handy equipment, tools, tips & tricks from The Watch Doctor. :-)
Timecodes
00:00 - Intro
01:19 - Spinning rotor problem (helicopter effect)
01:32 - Disassembling of the automatic device module
03:15 - Ultrasonic cleaning with Elma S30H Elmasonic
05:40 - Professional watch cleaning with Elmasolvex RM automatic watch cleaning machine
08:26 - Special treatment of the reversing wheels, using Lubeta V105
11:11 - Reassembling and lubricating of the automatic device module
13:13 - Result and testing of the 'helicopter effect', problem solved?
14:07 - Outro and 'video coming up next week'
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[@thejupiter2]

So far as I can tell this is the only video on KZbin that identifies this problem and shows the solution, so well don you. Ps. I too was a big Bergeon fan until one day the penny dropped and realised I was being ripped off. That Bergeon essence jar costs almost £80 here in the UK. You can buy 'two" laboratory grade reagent jars with ground lid for one tenth of that price! Also LUBETA V105 once decanted should be kept out of direct sunlight or better still stored in the dark because sunlight over time will degrade the chemicals which is why it's delivered in a brown bottle.

[@95frankycrep]

2:34 that rotate switch move with the tweezers, nice one

[@chrisbtoo]

Ahhhhhh! Just got recommended this video, and I have this exact problem with a Longines 890.1 movement. Thank you!

[@2manysigns]

Super fun !

[@mohammadajazazam1669]

Please make full strip down and assembly of automatic movement watch thank you

[@slim2429]

another fantastic video - thank you!

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Slim!

[@one2black519]

Thanks Doc, very good video. Fantastic work. Hope to see more in the future 👍🏼

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks one 2black ;-)

[@hockeyrd99]

Nice job. When those reversing gears are that gummed up, I soak them in dip-away (or one-dip) first to loosen up the dried up oil. Then you don't need to clean them for so long in the ultra-sound.

[@davidelias90]

Man, its incredible how fast you are improving the quality of your videos. I love them!

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Dmitri :-), i tried some new technics and different camera set-ups. Thanks for the feedback.

[@etebol]

awesome diagnostics learning; thank you for sharing

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Ed, my pleasure!

[@thearasem4938]

I really like your workshop

[@WolfBiteTactical]

Thank you for this video. I just had my Tag repaired and was told it was helicoptering and had worn parts. This explained it.

[@ramoneramlingam3723]

Fantastic video, thank you again ☺

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Ramone :-)

[@msmalmasri2680]

In every new video I find myself learned a lot from you. I would like to thank you with all my heart

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Almasri :-). I'll do my best to make educational video's everyone can understand.

[@juanmanuelflorezviol]

This channel is so great! Please keep making videos for us.

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Juan :-)

[@gotsouced4943]

When I received my Bolder expedition I noticed the rotor spinning when wound so I sent it through bolder to be fixed. It was months t get back and was fine. But I don't wear it often enough I guess now a year later and noticed it's having the same issue.

[@BionicRusty]

Awesome video. Thank you for posting. I fix some cheaper watches as an occasional hobby and am slowly developing my tool kit (some home made 😉) I come from an engineering/assembly background and was wondering if you use, or really need, a clean air booth? Thank you again. What an awesome video series. 🙏

[@Not-a-bot222]

What are the odds that I experienced this problem with my medium GSAR from Marathon this morning. Well within warranty I’m sure it’ll get fixed no problem. Great video

[@rolandv.4599]

nice video , great details , hope to see more video's soon

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Roland :-), if I can I make a video every week.

[@dynamicsinesdynamicsines1161]

I admire your Elma good sir😲, crazy good 👌👍

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks, I'm very proud on that's. Used an old Elma cleaning machine for years, but now I have invested in this new machine.

[@co9221]

Hey Watch Doctor! Love your videos man, I'm a silent viewer generally but I have a question. Is there any watches that use hesalite and sapphire, or would that not be feasible? I suppose it may be pointless as I know scratches on hesalite can be buffed out pretty easily, but I wondered if a thin layer of sapphire crystal over a hesalite could combine the scratch resistant properties of the sapphire with the crack resistance of the hesalite. I definitely noticed problems with it myself, a thinner sapphire crystal would presumably make it more prone to cracking etc, but just curious if any manufacturer had ever tried this to your knowledge as I can't find any evidence of such. Cheers and happy new year!

[@bangy55]

Another beautiful and informative video. You are the king of watch lubrication. Thank you for educating me on the Lubeta V105. I didn't even know it existed. I'd love to buy some, but I haven't worked on an ETA movement in about a year and I'm afraid it will go bad before I need it. I have added a Dumont #2A Tweezer to my wish list though, after watching this video. I've been admiring yours for some time. :-)

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Chirs :-) "You are the king of watch lubrication", I'll do my very best to do it as perfect as possible. Thanks for the detailed feedback.

[@burritolover5082]

Hi. Careful with lubeta. Make sure it’s sealed shut every time you use it. If left open it spoils extremely fast. Also if you know where to use it, 9010 can completely replace lubeta v105. Lubeta v106 isn’t as necesssry as v105 and I’d argue it’s an unnecessaryexpense.

[@bangy55]

@@burritolover5082 Thanks for the tip, Burrito Lover. I did finally get some V105 for reversing wheels. I can't really say if it is or is not any better. I haven't had any problems with it, though. I do use 9010 for ball bearings on the oscillating weights. I did use a tiny bit of V105 in a small screw cap tube so I didn't risk too much evaporation loss. You're right, what was left turned to crap over time. I'd like to learn where to apply 9010 on reversing wheels so I can avoid the added expense of the Lubeta like you say. :-)

[@burritolover5082]

@@bangy55 I will make a video oiling a eta 9010 with lubeta and send it to u. Btw what are u using for the barrel walls?

[@burritolover5082]

@@bangy55 I also have many many eta movements thrown around (many with working parts ofc) and Rolex parts. What I have most of is old chronograph parts (valjoux, Caliber 11,13,14, ETA, WAKKMANN) and have every technical document for almost every Rolex caliber.

[@BarnOwl61]

Hoi Dimitri, wat een prachtige cleaner. Dat uurwerk had wel een service nodig geloof ik..... Bedankt, mag je winkel wel open met de lock-down? Succes in ieder geval en blijf gezond. Fijne feestdagen!

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Dag Joop, bedankt :-). Ja, ik heb er wel flink voor mogen sparen, maar wat een luxe :-). Als een horloge aan het reinigen is en ondertussen belt er een klant aan in de winkel, dan hoef ik hier helemaal niet mee in te zitten aangezien alles automatisch gaat met deze reiniger :-). Voorlopig is er hier geen lockdown meer, en zijn de winkels terug open. Gelukkig maar, zodat we met de komende feestdagen toch nog wat uurwerken kunnen verkopen. Dit is toch een belangrijke periode voor de zaak. Daarnaast hebben we gelukkig nog altijd voldoende herstellingen liggen om ons te kunnen bezig houden :-). Voor jou ook fijne feestdagen en een goede gezondheid!

[@haping1]

Thanks for the video. I', just starting in the world of watchservicing.... For my first automatic, I used IPA + a drop ofMoebius9010 to dip in the reversing wheels. What do you think?

[@martinstabb7059]

Do you know of a less expensive version of Lubeta V105? I have considered using surgical spirit as its makeup includes a small amount of castor oil, a lubricant. otherwise, a very informative video. Thank you.

[@Niak38240]

Let's guess ! Inside the box there's the gift you gonna send me for Christmas ! Lollll Thank for your videos. Carry on.

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Hello Claire-Lee :-), that's a nice guess, but I think I'll have to disappoint you... Thanks for the feedback :-)

[@ooyginyardel4835]

Did you put those parts back into the same container that held them when they were dirty?

[@gukkie87]

Why is winding the eta2824, sellita sw-200 and stp1-11 so hard? There sees to be alot of resistance when winding and a bigger crown helps.

[@mrjones6770]

is that seiko samuri your wearing?

[@nennguyen5581]

Hi . ball does a great job and is professional can you tell me what liquid you use to clean the machine

[@johnnyarsenault9124]

Great video, an older Omega Constellation?

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Johnny, you can see the result in my latest video ;-)

[@ehud59]

👍👍👍🙂

[@hasininan5501]

Amazingly good. Is it harmful to hand wind an automatic watch? The reversing wheels spin pretty fast when doing so.

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Hello Hasin, if the reversing wheels are good lubricated, it certainly can't hurt. By the way, they are made for that. Almost all automatic watches can also be wound by hand, Seiko is an exception.

[@hasininan5501]

@@therealwatchdoctor Thanks!

[@islandtimekeeper858]

I admit it: my brain is slow. I still don't understand why poor lubrication of reversing wheels causes helicoptering of the rotor. if you could explain the underlying details of this failure mode in some future video, i would be grateful. In any case, many thanks for your elegant presentations.

[@domantir]

Maybe the problem is that old grease become glue?

[@rayclark44]

I hope you find the key to my local pub inside your watch box. It's been closed throughout the covid lockdown & sadly restrictions aren't likely to be lifted until next year. Take care.

[@therealwatchdoctor]

I would have liked to wish you that, but I fear that the key will not in the case, I feel sorry for you. I wish you the best and a good health.

[@mohamedajmal3817]

Hai doc I could service 7s26 is that liver coudn't moving correct level even when I reduced the liver bridge nut slightly after that moving what's the issue doctor pls let me know

[@domantir]

Hi. Do you always use the washing machine after ultrasonic bath?

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Hello Roberto, Yes always, and that's very important! This is necessary to be able to dry the spare parts in a rust-free manner. In the watch cleaning machine, water-free solutions are used in the last baths, so that the spare parts cannot rust after drying.

[@phillipmaciver3226]

👍👏👏👏

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Phillip ;-)

[@JimboJones2022]

I just bought a new watch and it's doing the Helecopter Effect when I pull out the crown.

[@ciijay3372]

Is it normal that the rotor is noisy?

[@ABGG55]

How many type of cleaning solution in your cleaning machine? Do you any alternative solutions also?

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Hello Oatbaa, 2 types of cleaning solutions in the cleaning machine. In the first bath Elma WF PRO (waterless cleaning) and in the next 3 baths Elma Suprol Pro (waterless rinsing). 3 times the same, so that in the last bath the cleaning solution in surely clean. As a alternative you can use Isopropyl alcohol instead of Elma Suprol Pro. (much cheaper)

[@ABGG55]

@@therealwatchdoctor Many thanks for your info. In my country they only have elma red and bergeon non ammonia solution. If I use naptha as rinse solution is it still ok for it?

[@solstar4778]

How will the regular non service person know about this affect , will the watch miss behave?

[@bruceweinstein4782]

Do you Lubericate the Oscillating Weight Jewel ?

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Hello, no I do not.

[@moishifogel1826]

Hi if my watch has a helicopter effect can I repair it under guarantee?

[@therealwatchdoctor]

You can try, I suspect that the watch sat idle for a long time before it was sold.

[@steveblake8766]

#27 thumbs UP

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks Steve ;-)

[@guitarmike1968]

Damn that reversing wheel is brown. Is it rusty? Or simply discolored

[@pierrevicat5910]

Vous travaillez chez bergeon?

[@user-be2kn2dk4s]

4:07 одно колесо деревянное)))))))

[@dusanradosavljevic8427]

No

[@davidobrien9362]

Something very irritating about this video, like I hate listening to people eat on TV, eeuuggg.

[@orgazmick]

there's my man wearing a seiko that show how much love there are for siekos i love your channel bro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯♥.

[@therealwatchdoctor]

Thanks :-)