Helio Gracie NEVER wanted to establish the Jiu Jitsu of today

This video discusses the vision Helio Gracie had for Jujutsu.
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[@Chadi]

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[@seguridadcorporativa2419]

My Brother practices Valente Bros. here in Guatemala !! Great DEFENSE System. Not Sport !!! ... I practice Krav Maga and I love to see their. practices. !!!!

[@devriestown]

You should do a video with Marco Barbosa. I think if you look him up, you will be interested.

[@christophervelez1561]

When are you releasing the full interview I love this content!

[@RicoMnc]

I train BJJ with students who are also cross training with a Judo Coral Belt at our school. When they get you in a Kesa Gatame you feel a big difference vs. from students who are only training BJJ. You think about tapping just from the pressure. I have not tapped to it yet, for for a couple of seconds I've sure wanted to. Same with throws. When they take you down you really do feel like you have been struck with the earth, fortunately we have mats padding the earth quite nicely, heh...

[@unitewithch]

At my academy kesa gutami is a a move practiced all the time. I didn’t know other academies were different in that regard.

[@ericpetteway3841]

1rst pin I learned in judo back in the mid 80s

[@danle3181]

​@@unitewithchkesa gutami Seriously ?

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

I don’t see judo people ‘rag dolling’ people like you hear on the internet.

[@ricardonascimento9461]

@@RicoMnc In a podcast Kyra Gracie tell about his fights against westrlers and judokas and how they are like cats, never go to the ground and fall in his feet.

[@Yupppi]

Sounds like a similar phenomenon where some judo people raise Jigoro Kano to godhood and argue everything from the perspective of what would Kano do why it's the only correct way and how it should never be changed let alone improved. While potentially not even knowing who he was as a person and judoka, just been exposed to tidbits heard or seen somewhere. Of course you should respect the origins and the founders and significant people and learn from their heritage, no doubt about that, but not be chained to personal ideas and beliefs of what was in the past and make it a religion. This was an interesting and enlightening bit of information.

[@MuzzKL]

I think that kind of mindset must come from the japanese mostly. That's something from their culture I guess.

[@vids595]

@@MuzzKL I think it is Americans wanting to see themselves as part of a mystical foreign lineage. I'm friends with one of the gracies and he tells me that he would rather train fighters but most of his students want to wear the gi and he thinks this is why.

[@TonyAgureyev]

​@@MuzzKLJapanese? Most of the world has this sick relationship

[@MuzzKL]

@@vids595 The Japanese emphasize a lot the “correct way” of doing things. Of course situations change and there’s apparently no reason to train with a gi in modern times anymore. However, we should not subtract things from a martial art older than ourselves, who are we to decide something?! Always adding, subtracting - never.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Helio Gracie taught old school Judo. That’s what Gracie Jujutsu was. It’s unfortunate that Olympic Judo and Sport BJJ has drastically changed and not for the better. We need the original concepts back. The original self-defense concepts especially.

[@chrisjackson8151]

_Helio Gracie taught old school judo. That’s what Gracie Jujutsu was._ “Old school” judo came from Japan, so did jujutsu. It’s not as if the Gracies invented it.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@chrisjackson8151 what I’m saying is that’s what they essentially taught in their system. They didn’t teach anything uniquely different. They just claimed their style as their own

[@ongobongo8333]

Bjj has only been made better

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@ongobongo8333 has not been made better. In fact, it’s inferior to Gracie Jiu Jitsu. It’s a water down sport compared to the real deal.

[@JEFFMAN90]

Carlson Gracie was the one who started teaching group classes.

[@William.H.Bonney]

Helio had nice throws

[@Thesavagesouls]

As the rule says, everything getting popular turns to sh*t.

[@leocmen]

BJJ is a branch of Kodokan Judo, like it or not. The "Ne Waza" has been preserved in Brazil thank to Maeda and Geo Omori, as well as in the Kosen schools in Japan. Unfortunately, while *Ne Waza" was evolving in Brazil, it was being obliterated worldwide because of Olympics

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

True, but it has way less restrictions even compared to old kodokan and kozen. As far as I know judo never allowed leg locks and wristlocks

[@turntablesrockmyworld9315]

It is to an extent but the style was different. I trained Judo and Judo ne waza in the 1980s and the flow of it was much different due to rules and emphasis.

[@PauloSilvaX]

Let me see if I understood.... Newaza has been preserved in Brazil for 70+ years... not because of the Gracie family, Brazilians who practiced this Newaza for 70+ years, created federations, rules, training methods, championships, and then in 100% of BJJ lineages.... No... of course not... those who preserved it were 2 Japanese spies who were killed by the Japanese government itself as soon as WWII began... then their ghost preserved this until 1994...

[@TonyAgureyev]

​@@PauloSilvaXThis is my first time hearing of Maeda and Omori being killed by the Japanese government or being spies. Maeda died before WW2 broke out iirc. But I agree with the rest of your statement.

[@PauloSilvaX]

@@TonyAgureyev The two died suspiciously, it was said that Geo Omori died of poisoning, but officially it was food poisoning... Both of them are healthy men, who didn't stop in one place, Maeda would settle down, it seemed like he had nothing else to do and suddenly he would abandon everything and go to another country, after a while he would come back, it was Maeda who led the settlement of Japanese people in Amazonia and this area to this day has agricultural and industrial production aimed at exporting to Japan. Spies are Spies... but it's quite obvious... The NORMAL Japanese arrived in the place, isolated themselves in a Japanese colony, did not learn the language, and never left the place... they barely circulated in the region... At the same time you saw these Japanese Jiu-Jitsu always in a position of LEADERSHIP in relation to the Japanese community, with the OPPOSITE behavior, they didn't stop anywhere, they traveled all over the country, always orbiting POWER and the Elites... and the two MOST ACTIVE die during Japan's war against the West under suspicious conditions... Seems like every spy discarded to me... At the time, Japan knew nothing about the world, Judo is used as a TOOL, to spread spies around the world informing about resources, strategic regions, even areas for immigration... and it is not only in Brazil that there are these suspicious deaths linked to Kodokan judokas... The Kodokan was not an ordinary place that only produced athletes... but it had a strategic function in Japanese geopolitics... just like this story of changing the Jutsus to DO... besides being all HISTORICAL FRAUDS in favor of Japanese Nationalism, including BushiDO which never existed in Japan, Just look at the behavior of the Japanese in WWII, ZERO BUSHIDO... it was a form of social reengineering in Japan, trying to rewrite a SUPPOSED GLORIOUS PAST, which never existed, just like in Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany and any other nationalist movement around the world...

[@jorgegallego9672]

In the old BJJ people had a complete system that prepares you to fight in the ring with close to no rules containing striking, all short of kicks and punches, multiple throws, grappling and takedown techniques, ground fighting... Now days we have butt scooting. AWESOME evolution

[@robbincastillo]

Same as with dogs, from wolves to toy poodles 😅

[@KingOfSwords720]

Trying to change the narrative? It's an atrocity what's happening to Japan in the 2024 Olympics. It was Prof. Kano who didn't want Judo to become what it has become.

[@quickstep2408]

and Gichin Funakoshi (founder of shotokan karate) did not believe in sparring, only form, and look what happened to it? it wasn’t because of the olympics, it was because of his students who changed the mindset (or let it happen) to more of a kumite focus - especially in North America.

[@JIUJITSUMAN22]

@@quickstep2408 olimpic Judo get sparring (randori), but wich a lot of restritions. Even kumikatas restrictions.

[@k9m42]

Disagree… Kano wanted practiced safely in schools. He wanted a lot of stand up randoori and promoted competition like the famous match against JJ schools for the police academy.

[@JohnDoe-mp1yn]

Kano himself banned a lot more moves when he noticed that they were causing his students too many injuries.

[@vids595]

@@quickstep2408 Well I cant blame them. When you have kyokushin karate producing students that will beat your ass because they actually spar and have a better sport rule set.

[@charliemikefishing4424]

Amazing interview thanks for the insight and information

[@k9m42]

Pretty much all the Gracie’s are Black Belts in Judo.

[@scarred10]

not true at all,some of the older ones like rickson and royler are but not to any great level.You can see their poor level in the judo invasion videos.

[@boogboog8097]

Judo black belt is looked at like completing basic education, now you can begin to study properly.

[@HerreraCam]

Love this! Thank you! OSS.

[@vids595]

half the people who comment on these videos have never grappled.

[@albert_kempowillenborg1707]

Take that back, I've wrestled. 😂😂😂😂

[@markjeffo6098]

Helio was a great guy.I went to train with the gracies when i was in my 20s when there was only juijitsu in torrance in the u.s.He would give me private lessons and gave me my blue belt.Carlson was a great guy too and his students were tough as hell.They were the guys figting in the vale tudo matches against the lute livre guys.

[@robertledentu5432]

Carlson helped give birth to the Vale Tudo style under Pride FC rules. He emphasized that size & crosstraining Wrestling, Boxing, etc. was important in determining how a fight would go.

[@CCI1946]

Well done analysis. I had the opportunity to train with Valente Brothers in their Miami HQ. It was a paradigm shift, as it was the first time I was able to see the big picture and gel my BJJ with Judo and striking. Most practitioners don’t necessarily desire to train MMA but enjoy practicing the arts while learning how to protect themselves. Valente Brothers opened my eyes and I will always appreciate their contribution

[@theunknownatheist3815]

I had my first Jiu Jitsu lessons in Rorion’s garage in Torrance CA with Royce teaching back in 1990. I only did a few lessons, as I wasn’t sold on it as the ultimate martial art. I did Judo for a few years, getting to brown belt, in the early 90’s. After a few UFC’s, I decided to get into BJJ. Rickson opened a school in West L.A. sharing space with a Karate school near Pico & Sepulveda. I trained there for just under a year, and the jiu jitsu back then was very different than it is now.

[@PedroSilva-jl9bt]

What are the differences you recall? Can you comment on any changes to scope, techniques, or functionality in real contexts?

[@matthewkinne7662]

JJ for self defense is less of an illusion and more practical.

[@peacegod7337]

Exactly. Especially with no gi.

[@herethere5637]

Exactly. After training no gi vs with gi, I find no gi more enjoyable because it is not so specialized and it's way more active

[@ECJ49]

@@peacegod7337 My understanding is that the gi is to simulate clothing one might wear if they got into altercation. For example let's say you are wearing a coat on a cold day and your attacker grabs your coat to his advantage. Wouldn't training with a gi prepare you for such a situation?

[@jaredmackey4511]

@@ECJ49I feel the relying on the gi makes you slower to act or react in some situations. The gi is easier to grip than anything I personally wear. No gi requires a different mindset imo.

[@peacegod7337]

@@ECJ49 gi has it's place as well.

[@highchamp1]

Passive (self defense) & Aggressive (sport) versions Judo or Jiu Jitsu sport & fitness could be a useful learning experience about yourself. Being as healthy as you can be is a positive thing. Understanding that it makes Passive Jiu Jitsu easier (against bigger, stronger opponents) Helio Vs Kimura

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

Hello, Chadi. This is Peter Kullavanijaya in Bangkok. I really enjoy this latest posting by you. My youngest son is taking self-defense BJJ and also Judo. He also follows you, too. Just want to tell you that Modern Sports Judo isn't what Great Grand Master Jikaro Kano created, Kano Jiu Jitsu. I don't believe he meant to have it turn into a sport with so much money being made by so many people, and most importantly reckless behaviors in order to win with complete disregard for the safety and welfare of the Opponent. For me, I don't see them as Opponents, but Uke. They are there for mutual learning purposes, not to win medals and a great deal of advertisement contracts for Gi manufacturers, universities, and clubs.

[@edogg3148]

I studied a lot of videos of Hélio Gracie I consider myself one of his students his KZbin videos are my private online classes

[@TheBlackHarrington]

When art gets put out into the world, its creators don’t get to dictate how it’s interpreted or how it will be used

[@thinkordie7292]

So it is the "sportification" of martial arts that has "warped" the original concepts and ideals.🤔. Time comes with change,and change comes with time. Thanks Chadi 🙇🏾‍♂️

[@vids595]

I think the founding Gracie's wanted BOTH sport and self defense focuses approached, and that is still what we have today.

[@bobibobilli1537]

Kneeling IchKomi Nahwaza. For give the spelling.

[@Los21x]

I love the evolution of martial arts in particular the Bjj’s but the more you get out of a combat mindset and more into a sportsman like mindset and waters down the Warrior in my opinion, now you have a false sense of security you don’t have a kill or be killed mindset you have a sportsman like mindset.

[@knockoutfever4]

Fada is the true OG

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@knockoutfever4 , Fadda was Gracie’s student.

[@knockoutfever4]

Not true…. Different lineage. He defeated the Gracies. He taught the poor and did footlocks unlike the elite class Gracies.

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@knockoutfever4 , this is long refuted by many historical documents. Read Elton Silva research about that.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

My cousins husband is a Fadda black belt. There was a lot of bad blood between the families and schools. He told me some crazy stories. It was over ten years ago that we talked, so I only remember bits and pieces.

[@PauloSilvaX]

​@@knockoutfever4Fadda Jiu-jitsu was always 10 years or more behind the Gracie... they were never even compared...Those who lived through competitions in the 90s say that Jiu-jitsu Fadda was EXTREMELY BELOW THE LEVEL... and that it was during the 90s that they improved their level with the exchange of athletes... Then after everyone died they invented this nonsense...ALL EASILY REFUTED... Fadda didn't beat the Gracie... When the Gracie were seen as invincible, the Faddas won some fights and lost the vast majority...

[@ejiebeliever_22]

Kano and H.Gracie = Good grappling system.

[@loara87]

Chadi, I repeat my question, is there a single BJJ technique invented by Brazilians? My Judo trainer used to say that BJJ is just Judo's ne-waza with changed names and belts colors. What would You say about that?

[@ricardonascimento9461]

I guess that its right!

[@PauloSilvaX]

JIU-JITSU newaza and Judo Newaza It's as if it were THE REVERSE OF THE OTHER... Just take any Olympic Judo Newaza compilation, or a video of a Kosen competition from the 89s out there, which is on KZbin... Then look on KZbin for Jiu-jitsu fights from the 90s...in the first championships... Then draw YOUR CONCLUSION YOURSELF Instead of following racists teacher, I would as if I were your religious guru... The way you ask the question... "some technique was created by Brazilians" Instead of.... "some technique was created by BJJ" Make it very clear that you are racist... your concern is not with technique, history, art, but with ETHINIC ORIGIN... The original BJJ created in Brazil is what you today call MMA... It was a mix of basic techniques, from Boxing, Capoeira, Judo and Wrestler... During some MMA fight bans, sports newaza became popular... What is it like in BJJ today... In the early 90s, with the popularization of MMA, sports BJJ championships boomed... and BJJ ends up taking another direction... At the time there was a paradigm dispute, the Gracie paradigm and the MARCO RUAS PARADGMA The Gracie paradigm was to train everything within Jiu-jitsu, everything is Jiu-jitsu, punch, kick, takedown, new attack, etc...doing cross training with other arts to improve each point... but always with the main focus of finishing on the ground, this just wasn't the preference in street fights... Marco Ruas' paradigm was to abandon the mentality of ACADEMIA A VS ACADEMIA B in which it was treason to train at another gym, and start training at several gyms... If the Gracie's are good on the ground, train on the ground with the Gracie's, if the boxers are good at punching, train on the ground at a boxing gym, If Chute Boxe is good at kicking, train Chute in kick boxing... This vision became dominant in MMA at a time when the Jiu-jitsu community was TINY, to the point where Blue Belts opened a gym because there weren't enough black belts... and all the Jiu-jitsu elite were involved in MMA, and all this elite started to train Muay Thay, Boxing, Wrestler to complement Jiu-jitsu... added to the fact that in this period Jiu-jitsu became popular and an army of fighters begins to emerge to compete in the newaza championships... and most of them were trained by teachers with blue or purple belts... And it was from the purple belt that you started to train more in MMA, generally it was MMA that gave you the black belt and you didn't leave the purple belt without fighting other disciplines... At Carlson Gracie there was an excellent newaza fighter but he didn't fight MMA and he stayed in purple forever, he only got Marrom after Jiu-jitsu changed and became just newaza in the 90s... The history of Jiu-jitsu is full of misinformation, because its story was told by THIRD PARTIES, generally RACISTS AND SUPREMACISTS bothered by the number of Jiu-jitsu gyms that were opening, with the success of Jiu-jitsu that they thought should be from Catch, Wrestler or Judo, bothered by the Brazilian accent spoken inside the gyms, and so on. ... Then they created NARRATIVES TAKEN FROM THEIR OWN ASS and then refuted them... Another problem that made all this worse was the culture of "check it out" of Jiu-jitsu, of accepting to fight anyone at the gym to prove the superiority of Jiu-jitsu... when it was just against single arts, like Karate, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc... it was fine... but when you started having to fight against mixed martial artists, who knew Wrestler, Boxing, some notion of Jiu-jitsu and ground and pound, then no one wanted to continue this culture of "check" and they wanted to do it only with grapler only fights ... It was a period of rapid and drastic change.... During this period another phenomenon happens... many of the techniques that existed in ancient judo and kosen, did not exist in BJJ, because they did not work in MMA, there was even practice with slapping the face on the ground to identify what did not work in MMA and not get used to using techniques that only work in Grapler... But when newaza competitions became popular, and Americans discovered ancient books on judo and kosen, Then they brought these techniques back, said they invented them and put their name on them... You can see that 99% of them don't work in MMA... This caused a boom in complexity in Jiu-jitsu between the late 90s and early 2000s. A maior parte com técnicas do Judo Kosen introduzidas no BJJ... However, BJJ rules are open, without PIN, and this DRASTICALLY changes the way of fighting and the freedom to apply Subimission, and with this, these techniques evolve differently from what was done in Judo Kosen, remembering that in this period these changes are already led by the community, each athlete influencing a little pig, some more like in the case of Marcelo Garcia, but it is something decentralized... in this period the Gracie continue with their style and begin to have a big difference and even visual in both ways of fighting, as in the case of Kron, Royler and Roger Gracie who continue to win but it is clearly a more conservative and simple style... which is the basis of Jiu-jitsu in MMA to this day, but in Grapler competitions it is much less complex, because it is a period of Cambrian explosion in Jiu-jitsu , every week a new crazy technique appears.... Going back to the beginning of your question... which technique did the Brazilians create... A LOT OF TECHNIQUES, GAMES/STRATEGIES AND ADJUSTMENTS... But I don't think that was the question you wanted to ask... I think what you wanted to ask was, what techniques did the Gracies create... and the answer is VERY LITTLE... The Graces ELIMINATED TECHNIQUES THAN THEY CREATED TECHNIQUES... The Gracies developed the Closed Guard for MMA to a much higher level than what the Japanese had done before... and create a set of strategies to fight from below that are also much superior to what Judo had already done in the past, Another important thing was the central strategy of how to apply Jiu-jitsu in MMA, which today is where the Jiu-jitsu score comes from, which is summarized as: Distance control > Shorten the distance and connect > Takedown > Pass the Guard > Side Control > Disturb with blunt blows, knees to the ribs, until you open up space to MOUNT > From here or go to Armbar or Ground and Pound until the opponent gives you the back > Choke If you fall below > Closed Guard to control the opponent > 1 or 2 1- Sweep and return in the sequence on top 2- enters a submission from the guard > The footlocks were only if the opponent gave them to you foolishly, there was no strategy to get to them Not everything goes as planned, this initial plan starts to become difficult to execute against bigger opponents and better wrestlers, In grapler competitions, playing from below quickly becomes a rage, even though you don't score any points there, but being less tiring and having good leverage for submissions, 50% of fights are won from below... Then, initially influenced by Sambo, if you start fighting with your butt on the ground, Sambo used this as a shortcut for legloocks, Jiu-jitsu didn't use it much because it didn't focus on legloocks, but over time it starts to focus and what the Sambo was used when everything was already lost as a shortcut to turn the tide, Jiu-jitsu began to be used as the main strategy... So a lot of things were changing in Jiu-jitsu in an UNCONTROLLABLE way, because Jiu-jitsu has always had an open source nature, what wins is worth it... Then some have difficulty understanding that Jiu-jitsu until the UFC was something else and was a complete style of MMA not just a newaza style...

[@StandWatie1862]

Catch wrestling

[@chrisjackson8151]

It’s not as if jujutsu/judo was invented in Brazil, so I dont know why people go on that narrative. The Gracies did not invent it. Last time I checked “jujutsu” is not a word of Portuguese origins…

[@loara87]

@@StandWatie1862 what about it?

[@blazingtatsumaki]

Helio Gracie would get his shit kicked in by any modern rooster weight blackbelt competitor

[@Yoandrys23]

... you see a lot of speculation. Proceed to especulate for 10 min.

[@nickmorgan8434]

When i started bjj in 96 ..we didnt even have an open gaurd ..all closed gaurd

[@scarred10]

of course you had open guard,its been in bjj for decades before that since it was in original judo.Youre instructor may have favoured closed guard but it was part of bjj since before we were born.

[@nickmorgan8434]

@scarred10 you are right..we were a Rickson affiliate..my best friend Rip Fro..went one day to Carlson school and came back with a long gaurd..I used to toy with him..once he opened his gaurd I couldn't keep my balance and posture up..he would elevate me and flip me easily..one day at a real Gracie school.i wish I would of stayed w it ..guys that trained w me are all bb now from Jack Mcvicker school here in Illinois

[@veteransowhat5669]

No, master the origin of any technique is the pratitioner doing the techniques this person will be responsible. This, that, it, is crazy. You look directly in the eye. The time is now.....For a long time Gracies have been the most intelligent, for all types of combat. It is just the way it is, oppression changes a person, there was slavery there was a civil war, there was a under ground rail road. There was hate Mohammad Ali, then he carries the Olympic torch. There is the spirit in all living things.

[@SoldierDrew]

BJJ isn't the Judo that Jigoro Kano would have wanted is a more correct title.

[@chrisjackson8151]

How do you know what Kano would have wanted? Did you personally talk to him yourself? No use in speculating on what a dead man would have wanted. It’s fine to respect the origins and its heritage, but neither is there any use in clinging to beliefs and ideas that may be outdated and make it into a religion based on a speculation. This raises the question, is this what the jujutsu practitioners prior to Kano would have wanted? People in that era probably thought the same about him…

[@DCJiuJitsuGeelong]

If helio never wanted to see jiu jitsu become a sport he should not have set up jiu jitsu competitions or a federation

[@carreromartialarts]

The jiujitsu of today is super intelligent . High level and will only get more complex

[@horiturk333]

It’ll also get you knocked out in real life, easily.

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

I think rolls gracie is the best jiu jitsu fighter ever !!

[@sirpibble]

I open the video, I see Valente, I close the video. I don't need to hear anymore if he's made up stories

[@aikidoisthebombyeah]

Alan Goes shot a video and said that Carlson never learned any jiu-jitsu from Helio, which I think is a load of bullshit. Alan Goes always gave me bad vibes.

[@xorqwerty8276]

The average judo ground game is pretty weak

[@danle3181]

This has to do with judokas, not with judo. It's the way judo is taught today that kills it.

[@legbreaker]

Kano had it all when establishing Kodokan. Kano came from JuJitsu which was from the old school killing and disabling your enemy Samurai style. It had it all. Maeda was a Newaza specialist, but he surely did not teach everything to the Gracies. Kimura showed them a lesson, that the Gracies missed the full aspect of real Kano JuJitsu, later known as Judo. He threw Gracie like a ragdoll. The Judo these days is simplified competition Judo, not the Judo that Kano created.

[@vids595]

Kimura outweighed Gracie by about 50 lbs and it still took him 13 minutes to win. There are lesson there's for sure, but maybe not the one you are implying.

[@ricardokerscher]

@@vids595 take the mat away from the fight between Gracie and Kimura and Gracie would be in a wheelchair, or even dead.... so don't come with that talk that it took 13 minutes to win....

[@danle3181]

Maeda was not more a newaza specialist than other judokas at that time. He was a Kodokan judoka.

[@danle3181]

​@@vids595that is bs.

[@Spiritof_76]

@@ricardokerscher Are you and the follow on @danle denying the weight difference or not?

[@itismypride4085]

Who is the guest?

[@هذاأنا-ذ3ث]

Pedro Valente, one of the Valente Brothers. They have a large gym in Miami, FL.

[@ricardonascimento9461]

This guy, Pedro Valente, said in a brazilian podcast Connect Cast, that BJJ dont come from Judo, but from ancient japaneses Jujustsu! So theres a big polemic here, another guest of this podcast refute him.

[@scarred10]

@@ricardonascimento9461 of course its just judo not koryu jujitsu since maeda never studied any jujitsi,just kodokan judo.What pedro meant was that its a throwback to old jujitsu designed for fighting rather than sport grappling.

[@theemperorcharlemagne]

The bjj of today is just a weak copy of Catch Wrestling.

[@kananisha]

BJJ= Basically Just Judo.

[@JEFFMAN90]

And Judo is basically Japanese Ju Jitsu

[@seinundzeiten]

@@JEFFMAN90 no- it is jujutsu plus Chinese throwing techniques which influenced judo

[@jiujudo1307]

@kananisha - Correct, BUT Crappy throws!

[@jcavilaramos5697]

​@@seinundzeitenNo jujutsu had throwing techniques from the start. Remember that jujutsu was created by the samurai to fight other armored samurai. How else would they have taken an armored opponent to the ground?

[@JoriMikke78]

Judo is just a shitty and funny way of wrestling, inferior to all of the real wrestling arts. No thanks needed.

[@JoriMikke78]

Why does it matter at all, what Helio wanted or didn't want??? It has absolutely nothing to do with todays BJJ.

[@JoriMikke78]

And even more importantly, BJJ is not all Gracies.

[@joehiggs4349]

The Gracies gave it to the world as a serious competitive enterprise and we owe them appreciation. Jiu-jitsu was in America before the Gracies came in the form of a few goofy belt mills.

[@chrisjackson8151]

@@JoriMikke78most important, the Gracies *did not* invent jujutsu. Contrary to popular belief, jujutsu did not originate in Brazil.

[@chrisjackson8151]

@@joehiggs4349_we owe them appreciation_ Oh please, it’s not as if the Gracies invented jujutsu.

[@chrisjackson8151]

Who cares, right? People change and so have times. Speculations as to what Helio would have wanted are totally irrelevant. Let’s move on. Why waste time wondering what a dęąd guy would have wanted?

[@difficult_aardvark]

Who cares?

[@BeepBoop2221]

I think the more BJJ moves away from the Gracies the better.

[@Daniel-mp6qx]

What do u mean by that? I mean i dont understand

[@JEFFMAN90]

Why are you jealous and butt hurt of the Gracies for

[@JEFFMAN90]

​@@Daniel-mp6qx He's a butt hurt loser who's jealous of the Gracies.

[@BeepBoop2221]

@JEFFMAN90 I'm not, bjj has evolved past what it used to be and that's a good thing. There also tends to be an element of cult worship around their names.

[@JamesW7723]

@@JEFFMAN90 the cult following around the Gracie’s is weird/ undeserved. They tried to portray that jujutsu is the best martial art ever and they put on UFC 1-4. But what nobody remembers is that they not only paid for those events, but they also handpicked all of their opponents that they would be going against. It wasn’t until UFC five where you had actual competent grapplers come in and wipe the floor with the Gracies UFC six is a perfect example of judoka’s dominating BJJ. And if you look at current day UFC there is two maybe even three people worth mentioning who are jiu-jitsu black belts but all of the people in the UFC. There are high class confident wrestlers or they have a judo background and you never see technical ground game anymore in the cage, and the people who do try and use technical ground game in the cage they usually get beat the fuck out or the get lucky and get the tap.