Helldivers 2 Banned in 177 Countries on Steam

Helldivers 2 Banned in 177 Countries on Steam
Sony Hell Bombed Game of the Year.
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[@xuanqili184]

I hope this will set a precedent where every game developer thinks twice about signing a deal with Sony. We did it. WE did it!

[@gamingnation2054]

It won’t Sony is wayyyy too powerful to not make deals with them 😒

[@xuanqili184]

@@gamingnation2054 Keyword: Hope....

[@gianmarcoguarnier5228]

This will come at the expense of PC players. If this was the case we'd never had Helldivers 2 on PC! I don't like the situation but I am fine with having to make a PSN account to enjoy an amazing game on my PC

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

​@gamingnation2054 they can seriously f off then....this game was their gateway into the PC mmo market they can just stick to releasing single player games since those don't require PSN

[@hunn20004]

According to Arrowhead documentary, Paradox Interactive was worse AND they stole their rights to work on Magicka. The shitty DLC with negative reviews? The same guys who made that were given the privilege to make Magicka 2, not arrowhead. So basically, if your uncle isn't the owner of the company that your development studio works under.... you're going to get shafted to "satisfy the shareholders".

[@Mugen68]

350+ hours into the game. Watching it die like this fuckin sucks.

[@gagesilvas9426]

been waiting for a multiplayer game that didnt anger me, this was it. i feel ya

[@guardiantko3220]

like 260ish hours here. i thought it was "Required" for cross platform progress/cross-play. i was given a skip this step button when prompted to link my account. (I will NEVER own a sony account.) and SKIPPED the step. i do not want some sony AI crap banning me for shit i do out of their normal platform.

[@adrenjones9301]

@@guardiantko3220 Completely the Same. Had they blocked me from playing when i first started i would have just refunded. But 2 months later... i love the game, but i rather die than linking a PSN account to my Steam.

[@FrostyPixelsOG]

Same, bought 4 copies, 1 super citizen for me, one for my little brother. 206 hours. Favorite game ever. Torpedoed. Also, the crashes were a major issue before all this, too. The game's losing players, not due to not enough new stuff, but due to lost rewards and crash/dc frustration.

[@oooalonsonacho6935]

It’s the only game I’ve played since I bought it in the middle of February. I play on PS5, but just looking at it in my library gives me a sour taste in my mouth.

[@Spiceodog]

Why don’t they just take the 2 minutes to move to a different country so they can play the game ? Are they stupid ?- Sony , probably

[@kagerouge9007]

"Don't you guys have phones?" -Some dumbass, probably

[@chettonex]

Look at the country list. Despite being over 150 countries they dont make 1000 players. Trust me. Most of those listed countries are islands in the middle of nowhere with over 500 ping and could not play the game either way.

[@ttnbros8178]

@@chettonex Trust you? Both HD1 and HD2 use peer to peer networking so the constant 500 ping situation doesn't happen. Even a 4-man party in Antarctica can play the game at relatively low latency

[@carbonatedphantom8388]

⁠@@chettonex Ah, yeah. the Dominican republic, Belarus, almost the entirety of Africa, Jamaica, the Phillipines and my home country of Bangladesh just dont fucking matter now do they?

[@DarkReaperK97]

​​@chettonex stop making baseless claims. In my country alone, we had about 4.5k players(population 600k). Then we had French Guiana and Guiana who have more people than us! They also were playing helldivers II via Steam. Then you have the other 100 something other countries I didn't even name? Bruh there's a LOT of player numbers being executed by this.

[@goonafresh184]

One of the worst things in gaming I’ve seen in a while and it’s a shame that it’s happening to one of the best games I’ve seen in a while.

[@IRMentat]

Yup

[@fluffrier]

Another perspective: It may be the best thing I've seen in a while. Corporate got their shitty practice of account inside account exposed and this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and may be precedent for future pushbacks.

[@goonafresh184]

@@fluffrier yeah i understand what you mean but its a shame we likely have to sacrifice a really good and fun game for it. if only we got the good ending and everyone could play it freely.

[@necr0danc3r29]

@@fluffrier I hope do. Such shameless data extracting can get bent.

[@Beatsl3oy]

Wait until you see what BSG does with EFT

[@MrElKabano]

It's easier to handle player reports when you cut half of the players from the game

[@theboomshroom1865]

so far from what i can see, you are the only sane person making HD2 content that actually rationally thinks before hopping on the next best "this is fine evrything is awesome and theyre doing nothing wrong" train and i apreciate you so much for it.

[@RichSmithson]

Yeah ohdough quickly becoming my favourite HD2 content creator.

[@tokuniarimasen8399]

@@RichSmithson Dough's been my favorite Helldivers 2 content creator since I started playing. Skilled, entertaining, and always keeping it real. 💯

[@daethbane]

Big stinkin' ditto there brother!

[@nikolajovanovic2562]

I`m from one of those countries you cant make a PSN account, and that game costed me 10% of my monthly income (after taxes). I`ve even bought some MT since I wanted to support the devs... If I knew I would not be able to play the game few monts down the line I would have never bought it in the first place, and from now on I will avoid EVERYTHING related to Sony.

[@aryas3637]

Same man 😢

[@bojangles11111]

They’ve said on discord they won’t prevent people from playing that have purchased. It is probably Steam that stopped sales because of all the refund requests they are getting.

[@_You_Are_Not_Him_]

Because you have to lmao

[@czaczaczar]

@@bojangles11111 The psn account is a REQUIREMENT to play the game. Players on countries not psn supported will get fucked. Steam delisted it & issued refund to those players.

[@BackwardsPancake]

@@czaczaczar Worth noting, there is at least some granularity/ambiguity to this right now. That latest Steam update didn't delist the game in EU countries that don't have PSN (The baltics + something I'm forgetting), for example.

[@joseph1981]

DUDE. A helldivers 2 bait youtuber tierlist is a GOLDEN idea Callin it now, Cloudplays and Willis better be at least A tier for the AI ODST thumbnails alone

[@LaserTractor]

"No way! New warbond is already HERE and it's INSANE!!!" type beat

[@diogorocha9837]

I hate so much these stupid channels. "The best weapon!", "The insane and best loudout", "kill everything with this". They have no clue how the game works.

[@armedgarach]

There's so many tho. They milking this game crazy

[@kasterixprime]

It hurts my soul every time I see one of those thumbnails.

[@Tetragramix]

The AI images is a dead giveaway of a clickbait channel.

[@thePontiffsSnickerdoodles]

Sony NEEDS to be held accountable for their nonsense

[@MrDoggo23]

They didn't move to Commiefornia for no reason. Money buys everything in the US.

[@Tetragramix]

No one ever does anything. Why don't you take action?

[@likeAG6likeAG6]

People also seem to forget that some people donated into the game, so not only they bought it, but also put some 100-200 bucks of extra donate money for skins and stuff and now they can't even enter the game.

[@derkaiser9881]

Depending on play time, it's more around $50-70 but yeah I get your point.

[@konigstiger8518]

​@derkaiser9881 I donated into the game, meaning, I bought the game for most of my buddies. I'm furious about this change. And I don't think I'll be getting a refund either. 😢

[@enem1]

It’s not a donation but I get your point.

[@brokendoop]

Their community managers seem to not understand their position. People keep saying arrowhead isnt to blame at all, insanely untrue.

[@knuckles543]

one of em is just a child in a man's body entirely unprofessional behaviour

[@tkraid2575]

Yeah, I think people here are being too sentimental just because the game is good. It's a company, and letting their community manager say what they did definitely hints they were okay with it, until shit hits the fan and they throw whoever under the bus to save themselves.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

I think they do understand their position, which is why some of them are so giddy that can abuse their power even more. They’re petty little tyrants that want to abuse whatever power they’re allowed to have.

[@side7oldtype298]

So in short... "Truth is... the game was rigged from the start."

[@absoluteandrew398]

Haha me stepping away from Helldivers 2 to play Modded Fallout NV fr

[@ema-hx1br]

I'm starting to think the same thing, CEO now admitted that he had a part in the play ,mheeee

[@frankenser2285]

As a PlayStation player, I am PISSED for those players in banned countries. Saving the money to swap to PC

[@ryanvacation7319]

Make sure to sell your PS5 to someone else so that they won't get a new sale from that person.

[@lodunost]

Good luck on your journey. I'm so glad I made the swap. Please do the build yourself. I have built everything you can think of. I have had a blast. It's become a hobby of mine. I would stay away from ASUS. I love the look but their software is just terrible. Every asus I have built always have some asus aura sync issue with the gpu either not detected so the light just don't come on or revert to something else and you have to go into services and restart their aura sync service to get it to work proper. Asus looks beautiful by the way. Go with MSI mother board their lighting software and other things are like mid at best and I wouldn't install any of it. Just get you a controller to control your lighting. LIAN LI is great, An then when it comes to peripheral's there is so many to choose from. WOOTING is a good brand. I use razer which I wouldn't suggest unless you're going to use a keypad like the ORBWEAVER or Tartarus. I prefer Corsair but they don't have a keypad I like. I thought about modding my old orbweaver to work with Icue but that is a project for a different day. Don't even get me started on the modding scene from games and stuff. Jays2cents is a great channel and so is gamersnexus I hope you build something amazing.

[@MrJohannson]

@@ryanvacation7319 This!

[@Tetragramix]

Sell all your Sony stuff. I sold everything and never looked back.

[@Dragon10526]

My playstation is a glorified DVD player

[@eclipse8149]

I love seeing the “ it’s easy to make a psn account “ getting 3k clown reactions or more is a single day 😂

[@Cold_Zero_The_Wise]

176h and the most rudeness ive come across is 2 toxic players and 1 that said he hatec my Accent, the other 100+ players ive teamed up with were pretty chill and relax

[@qwertyq2884]

302 hours of hosting only and I've only ever kicked 6 people total from my lobbies

[@MrLowandpro]

Forty hours. Solo player only. Joined a lobby maybe two times and those weren't even bad. Got some friendly kills and deaths, and even then we worked together for bunkers and objectives with no voice coms.

[@Tetragramix]

I don't even care when pubs kill me anymore. Even intentionally.

[@Cold_Zero_The_Wise]

@@MrLowandpro only players I dislike are the ones that played like they do t have teammates, they don't read player chat, they don't talk, they mute players and don't respond to emotes at all.

[@eddie5525]

I'm gonna say this, I think a move in the right direction is for us to start calling eachother what we are, *customers*. I don't wish to be called a *player* anymore. Companies used to say things like: "The customer is always right!" And what did they do? They started calling us something else. So, we're never right anymore. They treat us like crap now. We are customers. Screw being a player, I want to be a customer. Make being a customer great again!

[@Tetragramix]

Consoooomer

[@G31GER_AOE]

Run for president this election I'll vote for you this is the mentality we need make the consumer matter again or nobody buys and the economy tanks.

[@Rockforce80]

4.8 billion people, 60% of the worlds population in the countries on the no-no list

[@TwizzTasty]

Yeah and I’m sure most of them are playing this game 😂

[@MrJohannson]

@@TwizzTasty And won't be able to by May 30th

[@princelupingamer9395]

@@TwizzTasty its still a dumb move to restrict 4.8 billion potential consumers to try out and buy the game.

[@sumdude5172]

​@@TwizzTasty i couldn't come up with a dumber take if i tried. Imagine any business willing to cut off 60% of their potential customers. Think before you comment

[@stormwolf8770]

​@@TwizzTastyAh yes another everyone outside of America and Europe is inferior comment

[@IRMentat]

Simples. No PSN no CROSS PLAY. This is all.

[@Stoukeer]

Fine by me tbh, couldn’t care less about crossplay

[@joelananna1116]

I'm a ps fanboy This is bad Microsoft did this with minecraft It didn't affect you don't ? Ya just like me Go play the game

[@an0bserver2000]

this would kinda suck for people who's friends play on console, they would lose the ability to dive together. but it would still be better than what we have now I guess...

[@gobymoby]

My thought exactly. Put this in your negative review...

[@EdwardLewisIV]

This is the correct answer, but I doubt it happens.

[@PvtPartzz]

“Who are these muppets in suits? Who’s their tailor?” -LOL

[@berserkerpride]

A tier list of clickbait helldivers 2 youtubers. Damn Dough going full scorched earth.

[@shemsuhor8763]

Absolutely based

[@Metacritical_]

That's actually a great idea. The weirdest commonality in these I noticed is the ai generated "Helldiver" armor in the thumbnails which looks like a dollar store Praetor suit from Doom

[@joshua-tv]

​@@Metacritical_ Yeah it's because the AI models they use don't actually know what a Helldiver looks like

[@0verride881]

@@joshua-tv I doubt they themselves know what one looks like either

[@RichSmithson]

I dropped 2 for whining about the patch over a week later while the rest of us adapted.

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

177 countries can't buy your game: totally fine female character has cleavage: NOT ON MY WATCH

[@knuckles543]

more like : female character has cleavage: WHY AREN'T THEY BIGGER?! stellar blade is riding a fine line, i'm generally not fussed about character designs in games, but the main costume (used in all the promo masterial) seems to pander to the ''male gaze''; if only a tadd too much. bayonetta and nier:automata did it fine because the characters clothing was not patterned in such a way to draw attention to a body part, cereza's is a bodysuit made of her hair, and when bayonetta did do the pandering it was over in about 2 seconds (special attacks for example), nier allowed you to go full pandering at the players discretion, but gifted gameplay penalties of you did (the self-destruct feature) stellar blade is maybe poking just over the line, which means it's just about okay but raises eyebrows, and the marketing/demos are frequently: ''fierce and pretty lady with a sword wrecking shit, but here's a fantastic shot of her ass' with the patterning on her suit pointing directly at it' it's just a little too much, like they're trying too hard to be ''anti-woke'' yet it's defeated it's own purpose in the doing of it.

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

@@knuckles543 I don't think we're talking about the same thing. My comment was about Sony's moral compass, I don't follow the "wokies vs turbovirgins" debate. It's just a set of tits and guys like to look at tits. Really ain't that deep.

[@GBR9794]

​​​@@knuckles543😢no matter where the man is trying to escape, the woke will always find a way to screw their but. wokie has turned into commie and it's scary where this is heading. people didn't escape from commie countries for no reason. all those massacre under the name of "for the people" have been way worse than world w a r combined since forever.

[@IRMentat]

8:08 I have a strong suspicion that you are right about this. EVERY change as been made to make every mission a max-timer slog against relentless foes of uncountable numbers (until the end screen stat page). While the game I fell in love with was a fair and firm experience with a mix f tension and exploration /downtime and enough challenge throughout so many enemies that I need to non stop retreat and reload lest I be overwhelmed by more foes than I have ammo and cool-downs to deal with. Plus the gunners have WAY too many overlapping debuffs and kill potential for a “tackler” enemy type. Those should be confrontational and annoying but NOT able to isub-second nstall kill. Hell I can’t even find a map with open fields of vision anymore as 90% of them are fog/spore/storm covered so I’m fighting in the soup non stop.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah I feel that. I still like the game, but I liked the flow of the launch version better, with regards to enemy numbers and reinforcements. I am willing to accept the argument that other people might like the current state - So my proposal would be that the game could use an overhaul of the difficulty settings, to make it more granular. To that end, maybe operations could generate with separate difficulty ratings for various aspects? You could choose the one you like best, and because you have this information, you could also make decisions accordingly. For example, these aspects could be: - Objective complexity - How many steps the main objective takes (The way this is currently handled is sort of bad in and of itself, because the versions with the most steps are usually the most fun/interesting and give you the best chance to strategize, but they only exist on Helldive). - Strategic complexity - How many modifiers the operation has. - Enemy presence level - How many static enemies are on the map at the start, and how in-depth their defenses are (Larger bases, more enemy side objectives). - Enemy quick response forces - How large, dangerous and frequent enemy patrols and reinforcements are. - Enemy force composition - What sort of units you'll be facing up against, and how frequent the elites are. - Weather conditions - How severe and frequent the planetary hazards are. If nothing else, "Enemy force composition" should probably be visible info, since it would solve a lot of issues with the current meta (Where people like to run the most flexible and universal weapons, because they don't know what enemy types they'll actually need to fight).

[@spectywecty]

yeah I totally agree with the increased enemy presence. It really does feel like you get overwhelmed really easily if you don't retreat from everything. Especially on Automaton missions where it's not exactly all that entertaining to constantly be fleeing from enemies, not unless you wanna get riddled with bullets or grilled instantly.

[@trevordrakenor2063]

When the gangs not around, I would go medium 3 for supercredits. Each mission would have 90-128 kills solo. Now, there minimum of 390 to 580 bugs on a medium level 3. The funny thing is...​I think this also applies in a 4 man team too, because we were leaving with 2000-3000 kills in total each mission. What they meant by affecting solo player. Might as well be effecting each individual player.

[@hawk9mm]

Yeah, when every single decision makes the game worse over all, it's not unreasonable to think that this isn't being done on purpose.

[@chalk9760]

if you're ONLY playing on helldive difficulty, wtf else do you expect?

[@mosleythehoesley]

It just feel ridiculous having to install root ware on my pc to play this, and that now on top of that I need to connect a psn ‘account for security’. Of course we know it’s really for Sony to boost their numbers, but it feels so scummy for them to of initially act like this was for security reasons, especially when Sony is notorious for being hacked. Additionally it feels so scummy to see the employees act like they’re on our side. Of course many of them likely are, but seeing the community managers etc place blame on people above them and not take any responsibility and withhold info/be dishonest with the community (until now), It makes me feel as serious lack of trust for them.

[@adrenjones9301]

Yeah, i was okay with the Anti-Cheat. But opening a root-kernel up for Sony? Fuck no.

[@RobinTheBot]

Look man, they're under extreme legal pressure to shut up. What they've said already is super dangerous. We're acting like they're not literally paid by Sony, and have legal contracts with Sony. We can bitch and moan like it's their fault but the buck stops with Sony. Blaming the devs is purely for your emotions. It only helps Sony dodge some heat and get away with this. Again.

[@tablettablete186]

​@@adrenjones9301Kernel level for any game company is bad, not only Sony

[@adrenjones9301]

@@tablettablete186 True, but Sony is notoriously bad with security, they fail, its your Steam Account thats on the line.

[@Fratt_Damon]

It’s because what type of person actually wants to be a community manager most of the time it’s not good people or for the right reasons and I’m so sick of people making excuses for spitz that mf only walked back their comments bc they were told to but after seeing what baskinator said I think all the community managers must be freaks

[@blakereid5785]

Changing terms of service with no recourse after purchase is a huge issue in all industries right now. Games, cars, printers, electronics, and most software. It isn’t even legal in the EU.

[@Uncertainty2]

1:48 typically for this kind of game it'd be handled between the publisher (Sony) and the distributor (Steam). It's even possible that Arrowhead doesn't have direct control/access to the game's Steam page (which would explain stuff like the patch notes on Steam not being up-to-date with what's posted in the discord).

[@KidArkx]

Like microtransactions, most games don't have any control over how their microtransactions and dlc are handled and released. Have people ever wondered why all dlc always comes out within days or weeks of eachother?

[@ThePackman627]

I completely agree with you about hate speech and community managers. No one can define that term and it just gives them an excuse to ban people for stating facts

[@randomxgen6167]

Sony are the people who sold the game in regions without PSN in the first place. Am I in those areas? No, but I'm still gonna stop giving them my business all the same because I'm not a huge fan of the "i got mine" ideology. The only thing businesses care about is their bottom line. If you disagree with their business, don't add to their bottom line.

[@mlhimmels]

Last part actually makes a lot of sense. Before the first patch, the game was great. Granted, some things were buggy and needed fixed. But that was all they had to do. Instead they went about rebalancing everything. And it seems like every patch makes it an overall less appealing game. It’s like they don’t understand what made it good in the first place. Idk, how else do you explain the devs nerfing something into underwhelming territory every time the player base gets excited about something? Or penalizing players for playing a mission differently instead of giving incentives in the form of rewards? These guys are like moral busybodies. I honestly wish they would leave it alone sometimes. Less is more.

[@MitchConnor91]

wasn't this false advertisement ?... the guy said he knew this would happen 6 months ago but you sell the game without telling a single buyer that ... they had to know this would be no good for them , just a quick money grab

[@j_si.8187]

It was stated on the steam store Page from day one. The big problem is if you require (aside beeing turned of at the start) a psn Account you obvioulisly can't sell to regions where you can't make an account. But the question is who is in faul? Did Sony make a the store Page without restrictions or Arrowhead or Steam. Some Arrowhead employees at least pretended to be surprised that psn isn't available in most countrys. But aside from that, it is clearly stupid that Sony made this move. They killed their best selling PC game ever and every future release they will have. With other words normal publisher behaviour

[@saralotti7174]

@@j_si.8187my page said you needed an account if you wanted to play “with” ps5 players not that you needed an account to play at All…technicalities are the heart of contract law imo.

[@kasterixprime]

@@j_si.8187 So Arrowhead isn't blameless, but Sony being the publisher and property owner means it is very much on them in regards to where it was being sold. And for months they have happily allowed it to be sold in regions where PSN isn't even available.

[@MrWiggz69]

@@j_si.8187 Sony are at fault, its thats simple. They are the publisher, they have control over where they sell their game. Steam is just the retailer, if Sony say you can't sell this game in 'X' country then steam don't sell there. Sony are potentially in legal trouble for simple incompetence.

[@j_si.8187]

@@kasterixprime Yes agree to that, even if the error occurred on the steam site of things (i dont know how you list your games on steam, do you handle it all your self as publisher or do you submit your requirements and they set it up) Sony would have been at least reponsible for checking if everything is setup correct. Like i said is a stupid publisher Management move, in every way possible. They only thing they had to do, were track back, say we are sorry, players who want to sub can do so and we will reward it with some ingame stuff, everyone else can play like before, but for the circumstances you get a cape, in the bestcase something hilarious like veterans of Sony creek or something. Damage was done but at least you seem to care and maybe get some "trust" back

[@charlie2105]

I don't get the whole "easier to ban" angle. I've been playing the game for over 300 hours and have never had an issue where I felt someone needed to be banned for any reason. Is there something going on that I don't know of that is happening so frequently that they need help banning people?

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

I've seen a cheater/hacker one or two times. The guy was running with a liberator shooting more than 1000rpm without recoil from an endless magazine. Did it impact my gameplay? No.

[@shandrakor4686]

I mean I did run into one ass who killed me as I was climbing on the pelican and then kicked me just before I could get the mission reward. Not like I teamkilled a single time and did more than my share of objective/killing so /shrug. I would not say that is a banning offense by itself though and the report system in game only allows you to report if it's something in chat that was offensive.

[@RichSmithson]

Same. 3 or 4 minor instances in 170 hours. There are games 1000x worse with incredibly toxic communities compared. R6 Siege and World of Warcraft are just 2 examples.

[@gloth]

I have a simple question... are those "investors" stupid ? So, sony comes up to their next meeting and says "we are doing good, our psn accounts have been increased by x%". Isn't anyone going to ask "how much of that % is not linked to a playstation console so this increase is meaningless?"

[@yourstrulli9089]

Yeah investors are stupid, if you think it’s bad when game devs only look at the statistics when it comes to balance or what they should add or change, investors live by statistics like it’s a damn religion, they are getting their money one way or another so they don’t typically ask questions.

[@0verride881]

As someone who has worked in finance for a short stint, alot of investors are essentially very clueless boomers.

[@sentryion3106]

You need to know they don’t have much context. So they see good green number it’s good. They don’t care enough to dig deep on what that green is about nor is it even sustainable

[@Youwotm8Tk]

The selling of the game is most likely handled by Sony. Arrowhead is the developer, but Sony is the publisher. Handling distribution and sales is typically the publishers job.

[@bam_bino__]

astonishing how many ppl just don't understand this

[@ZephyrKitten742]

In a world where the top search results for HD2 info are copy paste game journo sites from the first week of release and clickbait nonsense videos, your content has honestly been easily the best, and I would always look forward to your videos to get additional nuggets of info as I tested out stuff myself. It's honestly a bummer to see you down on the game, but I definitely share your sentiment where I want to keep playing because I still like the game and am hopeful for it, but just this whole drama has really just put a damper on things.

[@piercedfreak27]

I think you’re 1000% correct. They got lucky the game was so good and fun because that’s not the way they wanted the game to be. The whole “ a game for everyone is a game for no one” is the dumbest saying. Funny thing is they are living up to it. They took a game everyone loved and made it so fewer and fewer did. The constant nerfs and hidden changes to constantly change the difficulty we’re to much for me. At least be open about it.

[@Lordoftherobe]

Honestly I wouldn't believe anything the CEO says cause he contradicts himself all the time Edit" wooh I told you all that sony was just inflating their player base!! Edit 2" welcome to the club about the current game isn't the one that dropped on release

[@knuckles543]

also the community manager on discord semes like an asshole, highly unprofessional

[@Lordoftherobe]

@@knuckles543 yeah I saw that, unfortunately I'm banned on their discord 4 times over for calling their bullshit out

[@sentryion3106]

God it’s so sad because the new stuff they added to the game has been good. It’s the existing things that they keep messing with gets progressively worse

[@Darkmanmeister]

Sony manages the sales for the games, that's why they're the publisher. Arrowhead only manage the developing of the game.

[@ErWoody99]

The problem is no one wins, Sony loses arrow loses and the consumers lose, and this has done unfixable damage

[@Adeon55]

It could be fixed if Sony just dropped their demand, and made the PSN sign-up optional.

[@sentryion3106]

@@Adeon55the reputation damage is permanent. Even if they reverse course the game won’t be held in the same high regard as it was used to be

[@LegendOfTy]

This is probably the 2nd time in the last year for me personally that an amazing game is released only for it to be washed down by corporate greed. Starts off great until eventually someone high up wants to milk it dry.

[@MAXIMUMintheHORMONE]

Playing with friends, takin the piss with each other, Snoy AI emotions bot bans everyone for harassment 🤣

[@znail4675]

Åland is not a country btw, it's an island that is part of Finland.

[@kisame7080]

thanks for sharing your thoughts, mate. I agree with you and I just realised it's so nice to listen to you, I might just stick around for non-HD2 content later in the future :)

[@MrDoggo23]

TikTokers being litteral trash is like a requirement at this point. Glad the US will get rid of this shit. Hope more will follow. Edit: 4:57 aaaaand there's the Community manager being absolute professionals again

[@searingllama5621]

I've attempted to make refund requests for the game, because I bought the game for my friend who is in a delisted region now (meaning I couldn't have bought it for him if it was properly delisted) but I live in region that is supported and they've denied my request for both his gift and my copy of the game. I've attempted multiple requests too, used the copy pastas that people are sharing and I'm still being denied. I feel genuinely scammed by Sony and Arrowhead. I bought 2 copies that will be effectively useless, since I won't play the game without my friend who I bought the game for before even my own copy

[@RichSmithson]

I’m just laughing Sony thought posting that on a Friday afternoon was a good idea, and it’s turned into the biggest drama on the internet over the weekend when Sonys offices are mostly not at work. 😂

[@Luke42652]

It's not about the ability to ban someone with a steam id as much as it is the user friendly interface/tools that a customer service representative has to manage bans and appeals. If they wanted to ban someone without the link, they can have an engineer go in the database and ban someone. But they didn't spend the time to make user friendly tools to manage that, nor is it tied into their ticketing system. Also it's about staffing. If they built their own tools, they have to hire people to manage those tools. I think the idea behind using PSN was a shortcut to utilize the existing infrastructure. A lot of people are saying Sony just wants more PSN accounts to report to shareholders, but the problem with that is 1) they already count Steam users, 2) those PSN accounts don't have purchases associated with them so they don't count, and 3) if they were to count Steam users and shell PSN accounts that would be financial fraud. Another issue people bring up is fear that linking will expose them in a breach. Linking simply associates that steam id with a PSN account. It can be an empty shell account. They just need something that works with their existing infrastructure. Regardless of what their reasoning was, no one is going to trust them going forward. They need to backpedal hard and make linking optional. Otherwise we'll find ourselves in a Battle Front II situation if we aren't there already.

[@Tks525]

Regarding the tone-deaf remark by the moderator: Looking at the time of the post, it is likely that it was made before they were aware of the full consequences of the PSN requirement. (For reference: The post was made about 90 minutes after the initial announcement of the PSN requirement on the Discord server.)

[@trime1015]

Anyone else noticed that any light source now shredds your retinas harder than three Stalkers that just started rushing you?

[@PaladinHD]

They need to honor refunds not just from those countries but from everyone who asks. Because this is basically a scam at this point.

[@z0s_Icebaker]

I noticed Åland islands on the list of non-PSN countries, Åland islands are actually a part of Finnish archipelago and not a country. Åland in Swedish or Ahvenanmaa in Finnish is an autonomous and demilitarized region of Finland, so it's a part of Finland even it has own flag. PSN works here in Finland, but somehow doesn't work in some part of Finland, I live in south-west of Finland so quite close to this supposed non-PSN "country" Åland islands, I could take a ship from the city where I live and where PSN works, to this mysterious non-PSN "country" Åland islands and suddenly I wouldn't have access to the PSN within the borders of the same country.

[@pelayopar]

Baskinator MUST BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY

[@hawk9mm]

The fact that she's still there after that drama with her last month, just kinda shows where Arrowhead is as a company, this kind of stuff continues to happen, not just with the CM but other devs who've posted how happy they are for their players to cry about changes. These are not good people.

[@imperialscout5566]

Sony won't let me delete my PSN account for "Security Reasons "

[@RMDragon3]

On the point about people using clickbait I've taken to not watching most channels because it's so bad. I've seen so many things that are exagerated/wrong/completely expected/dumb takes, all being presented as the biggest thing since the game launched. Doing a tier list like that would be fun, but it might also burn some bridges for you.

[@OhDough]

I don't talk to creators much at all so it's no big deal to me

[@spectywecty]

yeah me personally I only watch Mr. Dough, ThiccFilA and occasionally Eravin. OhDough because he's just a fun guy to watch, Thicc because I've seen his Borderlands stuff before and Eravin because he's informative.

[@oreocookie9324]

Their management of support weapon balancing and mission modifiers feels terrible. I was thinking about dropping the game before the Sony issue, and now they're making it an easy decision.

[@hippopotomerjones8746]

Arrowhead studios caught lightning in a bottle only to let Sony open that bottle and taking a huge dump inside.

[@nikolajovanovic2562]

Also I would love to see clickbait tier list. I remember starting watching Helldivers videos, and saw title Huge breaking news!!! It turned out they fixed ability to track global order progression ... I wanted my time back.

[@cakes1831]

You should install sponsor block so you can see the highlights of videos that click bait

[@prettyboyvolf3364]

I’m gonna just play a few other games I’ve been neglecting until this shit show blows over.

[@Ironed-Silver]

I asked a community dev if there were any plans to allow me to continue playing Helldivers 2 in the future after the servers are no longer supported; citing Ubisoft's The Crew as an example. They got DEFENSIVE calling my concerns crazy for thinking that far ahead. It was telling to say the least. What is shocking to me is that the game is being taken away from people not a decade later, but a mere 3 months after release. It's like they're trying to set a Guinness World Record or something

[@SuperBROKEN81]

I don't even have to link to a PlayStation account just to play. Spider-Man remastered Also no one is going to mention Misty's comments? She said it'll be easier to ban players as well as legally able to with this account sign up.

[@czaczaczar]

Yeah listen to the CM that changed her name on twitter & immediately private her profile. It's for padding the psn playerbase to brag to their shareholders not for security or more efficient ban system.

[@SuperBROKEN81]

@@czaczaczar not sure if your intentionally being sarcastic or you honestly think it's for padding the PlayStation Network.

[@GooiYingChyi]

As far as I can tell, shareholders and Arrowhead already got their money, and now Steam has to deal with the massive refund headache. The game is only going to get worse at this point - there won't be so high of sales as crazy as launch, even with potential upcoming DLCs. The consequences of not putting guardrails of restriction during launch, will forever be branded in player's minds.

[@the_gask6070]

I can't help but being distracted by the bookmarks at 4:50

[@OhDough]

it's easier to time stamp like this 4:50 don't judge my marks!!

[@StephaneLevs]

They just announced that they are not going forward with this account linking necessary thing... We... We won... We won!!!

[@TheMemeSharky]

6:12 This is a certified Cloud Plays moment

[@EspyMelly]

We have changed the agreement. Pray we don't change it further.

[@makotojankovsky9255]

I played a couple games after the patch, and I’ve actually noticed a pretty sharp drop in the overall player quality as well. I get the sense that players who don’t watch your videos and still don’t really understand the game mechanics are the main people left in the game. Keep up the good work, spreading the word.

[@BigJ_404]

Your last remarks at 8:05 articulates a gut feeling I have that I couldn't put into words myself.

[@grayrabbit6512]

I have almost 200h in helldivers and i have not met a single person who would act inapropriatly or "toxic". The worst thing that can happen is that ppl leave due to mission becoming too difficult, aka all reinforsments are gone and you are fighting a big horde (which is still winnable but some ppl quit). I had a lot of missions where my squadmates were dissatisfied with how the mission was going and they left one by one, which is understandable, i simply finnished the mision on my own with some stealth tactics. There was no arguing, no one was shouting or talking shit in chat, they just left. And even if the situation is really bad, most ppl are very positive about it saying stuff like: "these damn bugs/bots!", or like "i dont think that 3 striders dropping at us at the same time is very balanced" and things like that. Community of helldivers is one of the most friendly ones out there, and those isolated incidents with someone shooting squadmates intentionally are very rare, and easily solvable by just quitting or kicking them. They said that they have a lot of reports coming in but i doubt that they would need sony's spyware to deal with it. If they cant find a better solution than this, the game will have if not significant, then definetly noticable decline in player numbers, which will make the game more difficult for everyone else, since to complete planet liverations and defence missions we need a lot of ppl, we barely can hold some planets, and whith this decline it will become even harder. In short, i see no reason for psn account to be mandatory, and ia see it providing no benefit to me as a player, no matter how much they say it that it does.

[@oooalonsonacho6935]

Dude, that tier list video is great idea

[@donalddouds6033]

Can confirm; the plasma punisher wrecks eggs. If you feel the need to kill a Charger you can but oh boy is it going to take a whole lot of magazines and time.

[@Relicoid]

the game was so good but i just dont have the desire to play like i used to.

[@jolsonkowal]

Dough I really do feel the same way on how split you can feel on enjoying this game, but also having it not feel great to play due to what is happening right now

[@KyleGutz]

Same situation, like I still have the desire to play but I feel guilty a lil, definitely a downer

[@Zasden1]

Dough I appreciate how honest you are, unlike nearly everyone else in this whole situation.

[@danielsdimension7828]

One of the worst things Sony has ever done.

[@gucci1131]

"how are the people in charge muppets?" 4:00 Its someone in management who wants their fat bonus that's why, its always the reason

[@knuckles543]

it's also to inflate PSN user numbers and PSN helldiver buyers as in if you bought it on steam and you have to use a PSN account to play it, they count that as a PSN helldiver player, so they get a phat boost to profits

[@gucci1131]

@@knuckles543 💯 its all about the numbers

[@ValkisCalmor]

What surprises me most is honestly how bad PSN coverage is in the first place. It came out right away that it's only in 69 countries, that's pretty bad to begin with. There are a lot missing that just don't make any sense too. The Philippines, Egypt, and the Baltics for example are decent sized markets with economies on par with plenty of supported countries. And for what? How hard would it be to add them? A lot of the restricted countries speak languages that are already support so that's not it. Are you doing something shady that you have to double-check is legal in each country? But the Steam restrictions show more details in what's locked out and it's insane: Puerto Rico, Guam, French Guyana, Isle of Man, Aland. Sony only supports the mainland. If you live in a supported country, but a territory or autonomous region, you're locked out. It can't even be a legal thing there, Sony has just decided that you're not worth the effort of adding to a list on a website. What kind of moron restricts a game to a "service" that locks out millions of potential customers for no reason?

[@defenstrator4660]

From game of the year to debacle of the year. And everyone hates that other companies make you sign up to their exclusive service.

[@TheForgewright]

More countries in the Baltic region added today. Anyone else notice that the 'surrender' tweet was oddly date-specific on what was being walked back? Reads to me like someone getting ready to reschedule, not cancel.

[@cyriltran1267]

Sony's solution to people that cannot create an account from non-PSN countries: Buy a plane ticket to a PSN enabled country. Can't they use the "anti cheat" to enforce bans ? (Not that the AC is effective though)

[@468erpeashooter9]

Bro maybe you remember me & my pfp, I don’t play Helldivers so it’s been a while since I commented but congrats on finally finding a game that stuck. I remember the struggle you were having when you switched to Apex, and all the other later games, how you said you only had a short period of time to make this KZbin work out, so I’m really glad it finally worked out for you! One thing I’m curious about: What are you going to do regarding Dauntless once the summer content update drops? P.S. Just so you know I started watching you back in 2019 and since I’m only 16… just wanted to let you know I was only in elementary school. In my brain your channel is considered a nostalgic channel for me haha so just curious about how that makes you feel.

[@VGLounge]

Helldivers players might want to know that *EDF 6* Comes out in July. We can still get our overpowered war against the swarms of evil bugs and robots.

[@sovadova9702]

This whole ordeal has taken away so much fun from the game. Apart of what made it great was how the community got really into it and seeing Sony literally defrauding fellow Helldivers is such a bummer

[@Fauix]

Same here Dough, I am waiting a week to see what the official response is, not touching it till that happens, and if nothing, time to go for that refund.

[@nicolasdesantafe]

the level of "we to big to fail lol" AH got to is hilarious

[@Tuvok_Shakur]

the happy accident thing happened with subnautica as well, they made the game they wanted to make in below zero and they took out almost all of the things that made the first one fun to play

[@gools9621]

I swear oh dough, you hit the nail on the head every time. The thing about other KZbinrs had me dying

[@eclipseworld]

My buddies who I squad up with aren't tapped into all the news and patches that come out. They just play and enjoy the game. After the patch, I could hear it in their voices and they were literally saying how the game is less fun. The devs DID get extremely lucky, but the squandering of there success isn't being lost on the people outside of the online doomer bubble. Regular players are FEELING the devs choices. I hope they turn it around.

[@ShockRadioGaming]

Good stuff dough! 👏

[@umngyr]

We've gone from needing to fire Bask to BURNING AT THE STAKE.

[@antitroller101]

Man I was considering buying the game on steam but I always had some bad feeling before pressing the “add to cart” I should trust my gut feeling more

[@613Nightmare]

the thing is even in best case scenario and they somehow save the situation and the majority will forget about this and keep on playing which the chance of happening is basically zero, even then the game still already lost quite a few players that will never come back

[@pokinginpractice9108]

Excuse me? So you say you knew this would happen, and gave us no warning, no headups? just wtf.

[@Cameron-hz9wc]

For what it's worth, I think you are one of the better Helldivers 2 KZbinrs; it was a fun ride while it lasted. Keep being honest and calling out the BS!

[@Yomamacallinbak83]

I feel like the people in a lot of these countries are already playing helldivers in their day to day lives…

[@JACEMRYJAW]

With the PSN requirement removed, Steam listings in those countries doesn't seem to have been reinstated yet. We need to fix this. Don't stop pushing now that the requirement is no longer there.

[@LordLeif1220]

4:39 I knew there was a reason I subscribed. This is perfect.

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

The reason to play on console was how easy it was to just buy a game and start playing, nowadays with all the internet shenanigans they can release games unfinished, censor and even remove your access to a game you already have been playing for months.

[@MrJacoolest]

Yeah if they knew 6 months before that it would be a requirement, it NEVER should have been sold in those countries... and removing that restriction due to server issues at launch = "we removed it to get more sales, but now you've bought the game we're changing the rules.". Total bullshit on both fronts.

[@jessieward7340]

Still waiting for them to keep their word and actually walk back the change. Those countries are STILL blocked

[@Pwnage195]

Call me a conspiracy nut, but here's my take on it. Helldivers 2 was an upset in the gaming industry. The had the warbonds feature which was essentially like a battle pass feature but with no time limit and you didn't have to spend real money on in-game microtransactions. It was optional but you didn't have to do it to enjoy the features. You could even find supercredits in the game so long as you extracted with them. The dev team was very interactive with the community, even spawning the Joel memes. The game was a massive success and highlighted the failure of AAA titles to raise the same level of success despite having thousands more developer teams and marketing. The game's success was how user/customer oriented, even maybe customer obsessed approach. They did the best in order to deliver results and enjoyment to the end user. They stood up the entire modern gaming industry by doing the exact opposite of what AAA developers have done for years. My opinion is that Sony sees the success and disruption that Helldivers 2 brought to the modern gaming industry and is doing this to intentionally knock the game down a peg so that in the future, other developers can say, "well they tried to be more user friendly and look what happened to them. We're not going to make that same mistake again."

[@cyborggunslinger4230]

It's a wild theory but it makes sense, I wouldn't put it past sony to do something like that considering they have a habit of pulling the rug out from under everyone all the time

[@juan0808]

Is Arrowhead part of Sony or are they just working together? Because another reason could be if Sony wants to buy Arrowhead. Damaging the game intentionally to lower the price of the entire company is a common tactic.

[@davidballantyne4492]

Sony decides where and for how much the game is sold, although it looks like Steam stopped sales in non-PSN countries after people started asking for refunds.

[@Karmapol1ce]

You forget that this is a game that was not expected to be so successful, there are deals that are closed during development or towards the end in order to release the game, probably big mistakes were made that were not taken into account.