Helldivers 2 Wins the Major Order Against Sony

Helldivers 2 Wins the Major Order Against Sony
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[@Strigon01]

"Let them come. Let them brawl. Let them face the insurmountable might of the Helldivers."

[@anonnymus3652]

Another victory for the right side of history

[@umngyr]

You have carved another foothold in the long climb to liberty

[@animemuse8613]

Victory was never in doubt

[@Morbak546]

Victory was never in doubt

[@themissingpeace7956]

FOR SUPER EARTH!

[@ryanvacation7319]

The mad lads of the Helldivers community pulled off a miracle. Never in my wildest dreams I’d imagine Sony would capitulate. Well done boys!

[@thelaststop41]

Haven’t seen player pushback like that since war thunder.

[@TheCosta5000]

Don't forget the mad ladies

[@CaptainRumPanda]

you dont mess with a community that can take back malevelon creek, kill 2 billion bugs in 12 hours and defended ESTANU 7 times hahahaha

[@joellee8077]

Hell, the entire game is designed on training large amounts of players to work together, but seeing this backfiring on Sony is just so funny.

[@TheCosta5000]

@CaptainRumPanda God damn, I feel like there should never be another bug on estanu ever again we've been there so many times.

[@ShiningDarknes]

Funny thing is it took us about the same amount of time a MO lasts to get it done, certainly helped there was only one planet available to drop on.

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@2Limm]

​@@justaguyonyoutube4592 Joel don't control real life, Joel don't control real life, Joel don't con

[@pradyumnarout8402]

​@@2Limm Spawns a Warp drive for the bugs to breach super Earth

[@brizzled5193]

@@2Limm Joel nearly collapsed Super Earth by capturing Sony Headquarters! Thank god helldivers saved the day

[@iwishihadgoodinternet7766]

Now if steam would put it back on sale for the countries they removed it from, then we're golden.

[@Akrilloth]

Its gonna take a day or two, most likely.

[@SnakeHoundMachine]

*sony

[@DawgAC]

Thank you for reminding me I actually forgot about this.

[@CharChar2121]

​@@SnakeHoundMachine*steam

[@gonzalomartinez6219]

@@Akrilloth it will take them some hours as soon as Valve guys wake up at Seattle. I hope so.

[@hivecasts]

They fear the insurmountable might of Helldivers!

[@hshik-og3yz]

HOW'D YOU LIKE THE TASTE OF FREEDOM, SONY?!

[@willjohnboy]

Tastes of money.

[@user-ts2ir4hc5r]

Sony at the same is trying to bid for "paramount" i guess they need more money

[@KeyserSoze7182]

​@@user-ts2ir4hc5rYou can't even bid with showing you have money. Clearly you don't know how that works.

[@RealityAlwaysWins]

DEMOCRACY NEVER SLEEPS!

[@AhuizotlXiuh]

We have maintained our way of life.

[@Logajam.]

Shocking, a game that rewards teaming up and watching each others backs, is filled with people who care about the fate of other players who would be adversely affected by policy changes...

[@samuraitadpole5459]

First they show a possible end to the console wars and they show the unity isn't just artificial??? Arrowhead really is trying to become a staple of gaming

[@cbonez2909]

We all had our reasons. I had a few not just that... This was a major battle won!! I will be diving once again. We did our part. Now it's time to get back to spreading democracy!!

[@Yescek]

@@samuraitadpole5459 I feel like I saw almost nobody who wasn't on board with the fight. So to me it was that meme of the body builder dudes shaking hands, y'know, the one with the red and white shirts? One side, PC players. The other side, PS players.

[@gastro_fork]

Now to change our reviews back to positive

[@ShiningDarknes]

Indeed, do your part. The negative reviews were a necessary evil to combat tyranny. Make things right. The second MO just dropped.

[@v2ycloud]

Its still unavailable to be purchased in the non PSN countries, as of now. Maybe if they reverse that, people will start changing their reviews.

[@Earliersphere]

I would edit it but not go positive until after the 30th, other wise Sony may flip again. Hold the line for now

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

Not yet, the store page stll has the PSN requirement notice. And the Playstation tweet seems like it will have a followup with more clarifications in these days, we have to wait for a more complete statement and a policy change.

[@royalnovember66]

I'll wait until new helldiver recruits from non-PSN countries can get in once again.

[@dindunuphenwong]

By "We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable." they mean "We got caught with our hands in Steams cookie jar."

[@nimbusws2566]

Ironically but not surprisingly, the best thing they could have done after the game had gotten momentum with the dev team at the helm was… nothing. They could have contentedly sat back and watched the money come in, instead of insisting on double dipping trying to get everyone’s personal information to sell as well. They came. They brawled. They felt the insurmountable might of the helldivers. But they may come again, greedy fucks.

[@dindunuphenwong]

@@nimbusws2566 Keep in mind the vast majority of the countries that can't make a PSN account still don't have access to Helldivers 2 on steam.

[@kompott_addict]

Cogratulations soldiers, we did it! o7

[@Brakka86]

We dive together or not at all! o7

[@oldreaddy3341]

But at what cost...

[@BearZerq]

This is a "We did it Patrick!" moment, cause the game is never going to recover.

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

Oi

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

oi

[@5dollar_L]

Good to know that companies can still be reminded that the customer is king. It’s easy to think that these megacorps are completely untouchable, but in great enough numbers consumers can make companies change their minds. Massive W for all my fellow Helldivers out there.

[@Starkee749]

Sony did it because they were worried about lack of sales which means less money not because they hold us in high regard.

[@flamingscar5263]

@@Starkee749 they hold our wallets in high regard our wallets that only we can open for them

[@nimbusws2566]

@@Starkee749well of course, it’s naive to think companies will grow a moral compass. Which is why we communicate with them the way they know how: profits and optics.

[@user-ts2ir4hc5r]

stellar blade everyone, do not forget 💬

[@Starkee749]

@@nimbusws2566 exactly I was referring to the post saying Sony thinking customer's are king nothing could be further from the truth they will shaft us if they can. It's good we started making noise. Great for the game. They will try it again I bet it's just not scheduled for this month i hope I'm wrong.

[@weslar7]

This is the kind of thing we need to do more often, hold the line brothers

[@DawgAC]

APES TOGETHER STRONG!!!

[@KsnypsAdventures]

It’s amazing what this game has accomplished. The largest playerbase in the shortest amount of time, the most praise in recent years, the biggest business fuck up in gaming history, and now, the best comeback. We made Sony back off. Let that sink in. They own half the world’s electronics and the Helldivers made them surrender. *another victory for the right side of history*

[@votingwarrior7000]

I don't think we made them surrender but we sure as hell made them flinch

[@RealityAlwaysWins]

This is the true meaning of power to the people, these minorities who try to push their crap on us will never succeed as long as we fight back. We will always win as long as we’re not the silent majority.

[@Jabokrazy]

Now we make sure they don't screw us again.

[@SPJ-88]

probably not in Helldiver2, but 100% sure all coming games porting to Steam will require PSN link.

[@BD-tp6pr]

@@SPJ-88 Well... they realize now they can't sell the game in many countries, so would they want that? They'll probably try it first so you get some in game goodies I think.

[@noble_lemon]

What they doing on Steam then? Sell your games in Playstation store only and swim in money.

[@Babylauncher3000]

@@SPJ-88 When it comes to Sony’s high profile single player games I sincerely doubt it. For future multiplayer games it honestly depends.

[@JohnnyVanilla1]

Huge W for indie devs and gaming in general. Democracy prevails

[@Jazzglenn]

3:57 JESUS CHRIST. Im not even on my PC and im retroactively spamming "E" in my mind the whole time.

[@hunter-tm2kl]

you'll see big rare sample clumps like that on the 15 mins rescue scientist missions that are only available on defend planets

[@chaosXP3RT]

I'm afraid we probably already lost a lot Helldivers who won't return to the game

[@animemuse8613]

But some of them are coming back

[@UmbraWeiss]

I for one won't even change my review, I was already at my limit with the idiotic patches and crashing,this was just the cherry on the top.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

Myself being one of them. My entire reason for supporting this game outside of it obviously being generally enjoyable was how the development team worked on the game and interacted with their community. Games like palworld, lethal company, and helldivers up until this week are the breath of fresh air the be gaming community has needed for a long time. Having responsive developers that are genuinely invested in both creating and maintaining a great product for people to enjoy and do the right things along the way. To essentially be flawless in your movements up until this point and then quite honestly collapse into an xbox live chat from 2009 the second they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar a little bit speaks volumes for me as a consumer. I was on their side right up until they openly admitted that before they even signed on with sony that they would make this a requirement. Because one of three things happened at that point: 1.) Arrowhead neglected to properly inform themselves of signing with another company would ultimately impact the distribution and management of the game they spent "8 years of blood sweat and tears on" and Im sorry, but negligence doesnt excuse screwing over 100's of thousands of people in over 170 countries over. Idc what the reason is. Get better litigation. 2.) They WERE aware of this to start and were willing to gamble with 100's of thousands of peoples money in those 170+ countries in hopes that if the game hit it big enough that they would be able to retroactively nullify that part of the agreement they made with sony when partnering with them. Playing games with peoples money like this is extremely gross and unacceptable. 3.) They WERE aware and either thought there wouldnt be enough people in those regions for it to really be a big fuss, or worse; outright didnt care that those people would be screwed. None of these outcomes are acceptable. At least one of these things took place and to me, you're crossing the line of what should be considered the bare minimum in any of those results. Just like the community held sonys feet to the fire for this, now that we have more context of arrowheads role in this, they TOO need to have their feet held to the fire. Id say refunding money spent on warbonds would be amicable, but I know that would never happen. They at bare minimum should be making the next warbond completely free for everyone as an apology for their role in all of this. But what doesnt need to happen is them just getting to wipe their hands and get out of this scott free because they absolute had dirty hands in this process.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

​@@UmbraWeissaside from the book I just wrote, the fact that I have a $3000 computer and have to manipulate game files and display settings to even run it "properly" just because I have an amd card.... Ridiculous.

[@Roberta-yf4ge]

​@@chrisbruchak4519my game has been running fine on a 7900xtx. What did you have to fix?

[@oliveguardian7757]

Only thing is, the wording of this tweet worries me. It says the forced link won’t be coming this month. Not that it won’t ever happen. Seems like they’ve given themselves a loophole out for this issue to just come up later

[@humaninthemaking9024]

Unless there's pen to paper, they're just going to try again in like 6 months. And this time you won't be able to refund it. We won the battle though so time to sip that LIBER-TEA

[@pse2020]

After the mob mentality and hate sony got, i am supriced pc gamers are coming back... I would not, this is not over yet. If people hate sony this much they should still stay away.

[@squeezyjibbs6643]

​@@pse2020our love for HD2 and Arrowhead exceeds our hate for Sony, all there is to it.

[@matttheyak]

'Unless there's pen to paper' what do you want though, a legally binding contract with the playerbase?

[@ExplodingVolcano777]

@@pse2020Unfortunate but justified reason not to come back. Helldivers 2 was a game me and my pals could enjoy after a long day of work since we didn’t need to worry about cross play. I and alongside them understand the risk of sony pulling a fast one on us again but we will still play..

[@npcimknot958]

I really don’t think so.. valve showed them how much money they were going to and will lose.. and also.. sony wants the pc market. They’re never doing this again. Trust.. Ghost of Tsushima is coming out.. they don’t want to risk that.. they just really needed to see how much $$$ was goign to be lost doing this.. and i think its WAYYY more than peopel think. Don’t forget.. on that list of countires thats a no go.. are the biggest populations IN THE WORLD. Why would you pull a console on the pc? Pc is big big big big big money

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

Not a victory until the yellow box in the Steam store page with the "PSN account required" goes away and the game is made available in all countries again. There should also be some kind of official policy update to never try a similar move in the future for Steam. Only then my review will change back to positive, of course adding a big caveat about all this situation. I think it's high time for Valve to talk to us about their stance about this thing too.

[@XM8A1]

Does nobody understand timezones? Goddamn, be patient

[@DaveBirra]

We want that written in "Stone!" And with a clause, that they will not do this again in the future, and if they do it, they can be sue by gamers.

[@Dynamous7812]

No diver left behind!

[@Tinytraveler]

May 6th should be a in game holiday, Sweet Liber-Tea day, or Unification day

[@andrewdesalvatore7262]

hehe, i like the lil loadscreen pop ups... ingame/actualLore, Oct26 is Liberty Day.

[@rocklee5x]

Ppl are cracking way too many jokes, this aint over by a loooooong shot

[@cheerfulpessimist952]

The battle is won, the war is ongoing.

[@M1zi3]

A ceasefire for now

[@evildude951]

Community managers probably were given a 'line to take' by Sony and then couldn't adapt to the changing situation

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah. It's sort of annoying that a lot of people overfixate on them. The entire purpose of CMs is to be a buffer/hate sink - The actual decisions are made way above their heads.

[@fuchsmichael93]

Honestly, Credit to Spitz, If He meant it or not, He threw enough Oil in the Fire that even Sony felt the Heat

[@davidmorin4283]

You mention having fun: I have an idea. Give the heavy machine gun a backpack. This balances it a bit more by removing your backpack slot when you take it, and buffs it by giving it more than 75 rounds. Possibly to limit how much you shoot, presuming the backpack has like 500, 750, or 1000 rounds in it, is a heat meter like laser weapons. Fulfills my weapon fantasy for an actual functional machine gun, and would be similar to the autocannon

[@IRMentat]

Steam still had the requirement. SOnY is old enough to be patient. The patch note warning is still there. The devs seemingly agreed to having PSN active in the game during development.

[@roboten98]

From what I understand the CEO of AH said it was something Sony enforced on them the last few months of the 8 years of development and that Arrowhead expressed to Sony that they felt it would end up poorly for both Sony and AH if they force the linking, Sony went ahead with it anyway

[@chrisbruchak4519]

​@@roboten98it was joels decision to postpone it 3 months and basically swept it under the rug because the game was heavily succeeding. Ive seen enough to know he at bare minimum was perfectly ok with screwing the people who bought his game in regions where psn isnt available, knowing they would have access barred from them. The tweet that did it was when he tried to say he had no idea as hes never even tried to make a sony account. He just works on games. Thats just wildly dismissive of your reckless actions. Thats like saying you dont have blood on your hands when you sell someone heroine and they overdose. Yes, you didnt cause the overdose, but you facilitated it. Gonna need to see some serious back pedaling aside from sony simply saying they wont do it.

[@DekArosaro]

@@chrisbruchak4519 He is a developer, not the puplisher. Sony controlls what information is on the steam store page. Sony should have to made sure that it would not be available to non psn countrys to begin with, if they cared.

[@invaderIRK1]

​​​@@roboten98Na it wasn't forced upon them, it was agreed upon during development and finalised several Months before launch. Sony was under the impression that the game will launch with these requirements but it was the CEO of AH who turned it off in an attempt to stabilise the game's buggy and difficult launch. What he should have done was shut servers down completely to allow his team to properly fix the servers and the game and restart them once completed. But instead he insisted on keeping the game live, work on fixing the problem then reestablishing the login requirements after the fact. He probably did so without realising what that would mean for players who live in areas that don't support psn.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

​​@@invaderIRK1which is all I need to know. At some point the litigation department at arrowhead (if one exists) failed to properly inform themselves. To not understand that launching a game on a pc gaming platform that would ultimately require an account from a publisher thats banned in 170+ platforms would cause MAJOR issues for your playerbase and your game itself is beyond excuse. Things like this are literally why companies have lawyers. So you can have these conversations ahead of time about what signing with a particular publisher entails and what they require/expect of you/the game. Not just sign first ask questions later.

[@manum8170]

Don't drop your guard just yet, it's Sony we are talking about. This whole maneuver showed us true colours of devs, which we saw was not as innocent as they portrayed themselves. There's a lot of work to be done, but I remain hopeful.....

[@Xodok.]

We won. Change reviews Wear "Tyrant Hunter" cape from Steeled Veterans warbond as winning move We made an amazing precedent which will inspire players to fight back

[@kegcodex]

We won a battle, not the war. There's still 177 countries that have had the game de-listed from Steam. We need to hold the line it's not over yet

[@kesamek8537]

Do not change reviews until the win is complete and permanent. You surrender too soon. Very weak.

[@segcosare4749]

Not yet. Hold the line brothers and sisters, until those who were forced back to super earth civilian life be able to fight once more!

[@oldreaddy3341]

There are soo many Helldivers that are never coming back now the trust is broken, everyone knows that Sony and by extension AH can just drop this type of shit on us at any moment. We have to be vigilant for this type of shit in future.

[@markd9318]

The fact that PC players dont have to pay for PSN to play is actually what irks Sony the most.

[@TheMongral]

You know what would be the perfect "reward" for doing the account link voluntarily after this? A cape titled "United We Stand", sporting a mix of the various playstation colors, and the flavor text "We Dive as One, or Not At All. All in the name of Freedom, Liberty, and Managed Democracy for Everyone". A subtle nod that, when the community really comes together, ain't nothing gonna stand in our way, not even the big corporations. (Or heck, just make it a freebie, like the Malevelon creek cape.)

[@chrisbruchak4519]

Fuck that. I literally dont want sony having access to my information. Its worth more than a goofy skin in a game. Stop encouraging the linking in any capacity. Nobody wants it. Nobody likes it. Its generally annoying to all players across all platforms. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

[@TheMongral]

@@chrisbruchak4519 That's kind of why I added that little caveat at the end of "or just make it a freebie like the malevelon creek cape". I want to make it clear that I don't want it to be necessary to link for any reason. I'm just throwing crap out there, it'd be up to the devs to determine that kind of stuff anyways, not me.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

@@TheMongral idk if you noticed. But peoples words matter. Youre not the only person echoing that goofy sentiment and it collectively needs to stop. Sony sees that and that crap is what gives them the idea that this kind of thing is even acceptable to begin with.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode DENTAL PLAN! 🍻 Lisa needs braces... DENTAL PLAN! 🍻 Lisa needs braces... You people are truly that cheap, huh?

[@blazeproxima5558]

Finally gamers get a victory

[@NoName-ys2bj]

Yippe~

[@callsign_Wolverine]

Never mess with a community that killed 2 billion bugs in half a day

[@Leelareso]

arrowhead knew that playstation was going to make such a move as early as 6 months before release and didn't say a fucking thing about it. They will not regain my trust

[@Nirual86]

they definitely aren't entirely blameless, but from the looks of it they weren't aware that the requirement was going to exclude a lot of countries. Or maybe assumed that a solution would be put in place for these.

[@SupremeDouchebaggery]

They were aware that psn linking was required, but the availability of psn is on Sony's dime, not arrowheads. They're not responsible for that.

[@fausx9674]

FOR SUPER EARTHHHHH RAHHHHH

[@alphahuntz2924]

HAHAHA RAAAHHH

[@ottovonhabsburg1768]

Imo they should have just made it so that if you sign into PSN you get a unique cosmetic and 1k super credits, lots of people out there would have the incentive to do so (new warbond is around the corner) and those who really wouldnt want to do it could just skip out on it, that way everyone would be satisfied.

[@Babylauncher3000]

I do agree highly incentivizing something by giving players cool unique shit for accepting is way better than requiring under threat of losing access.

[@Hastur_TKY]

Totally agree with them needing to balance more with the solo perspective in mind, if the devs would have done that from the beginning they would have known that it takes 20+ charges to kill a BT with a railgun and who knows how many shots with the arc thrower, and then it would have raised a red flag that something is broken with squad play and potentially that bug would have been fixed sooner , and those terrible nerfs could have been avoided.

[@usonumabeach300]

Helldivers stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first

[@cowboychamploo5021]

Their greed dictated this decision, they saw that bag slippin' away. Stay vigilant soldiers. Change reviews back, for now..

[@emilgirginov9848]

I'm so proud of this community. Now if we can use similar methods to voice our conserns and show Arrowhead we're (largely) displeased with how they balance the game it'll be great.

[@cell9899]

Balancing has been fine

[@emilgirginov9848]

@@cell9899 Nope. More and more weapons/strategems feel worse and worse to use with every patch

[@mrcrowe1848]

the totally in-universe propaganda part of this is funny because we as players didn't actually do anything, it was Steam stepping up and offering unconditional refunds that pressured Sony into backing down lol

[@meodrac]

Liberty has seen you through. Today you've carved another foothold in the long climb to Liberty. Victory was never in doubt.

[@randomxgen6167]

Here's hoping Sony doesn't do anything to ruin it.

[@lethalkrab]

WE HAVE DEFENDED OUR WAY OF LIFE!

[@davidweaver4436]

Let's not relax until 1. The requirement is officially removed from the store page and, more importantly, 2. The delisted countries are restored.

[@VictorWeismann]

OhDough is right. You guys really don't understand how insane this is, making a Mega Corpo take a step back is insane. These Mega Corpo really don't care about us, but still need us to maintain their power. BTW, I do my part, I change my review, how about you guys?

[@Klimawandel20]

GUYS! sony retreated! the mandatory psn account doesnt come! please dont forget to change your review back to positive! :) thank you

[@UmbraWeiss]

Oh, some will, and most won't, I for one had a negative review way before this garbage and I won't change it,for that they need to fix the actual game and so far the patch at ah is all about changing the weapons and enemy behavior all over the place while important things are being ignored.

[@DLAJC]

Although the toasters and fridges had called their corporate overlords, they are still no match for the mighty force of Super Earth and DEMOCRACY!

[@TheNuttyStrongman]

We've earned temporary respite. They will come again.

[@Legendary_Honey]

So happy to hear this. I was gonna keep playing regardless, but it was sad to see. Hope they don't try to pull any other shenanigans.

[@norrismilstead7209]

Don't change your review till baskinator an purple sqiudgon are fired from the arrowhead CM's list

[@OhDough]

I'm changing it once the 177 regions are relisted on steam.

[@christopherrabadi9942]

that’s insane, he just had a bozo moment, shouldn’t lose his job if he admired faulr

[@guardiantko3220]

​@OhDough that's when I will too, but I will keep the message in the review as a negative against the majority of CM's, for their behavior and stirring the pot of hate for their own humor, not doing any research, or bothering to understand players concerns. I will recommend the game, but these are problems still

[@pensive8552]

@@christopherrabadi9942 several moments you mean ('I thought you refunded and left') by several CM's. Power hungry asshats, should be fired, or put on final warning.

[@mysterious___1]

@@christopherrabadi9942a moment. He’s done it more than once.

[@Garrador876]

They need to reinstate availability to all countries. I'll be changing my review, but I'm still going to leave my opinion on their balancing/patching. I'll probably mention something about their Community Managers and Discord mods as well. This was a really crappy situation that could have been avoided in so many ways, but I'm impressed with the community's response and the effect it had.

[@zenthedying91]

give it 2-3 days for the other regions get reinstated to get the lost helldivers back to friendly territory again. *However,* we need to wait and see if that happens before we relax a tad bit and keep a *VERY* close eye on Sony actions for the next 3-6 months in case they try to do anything stupid again.

[@Horotoma]

Sony really think they can mess with a community that murdered 2 billion bugs, in under 13 hours.

[@kaio0777]

I love this community there nothing we can’t do Major order complete

[@Procrastinater]

"don't nerf only buff" will only lead to the enemies being buffed instead.

[@questionman6524]

This. A lot of communities get far too upset over legitimate balance changes, not realizing that power creep leads to two FAR worse outcomes: either utter boredom because the game is too easy, or a much more challenging game that becomes less accessible to the average player.

[@JD-kl9xw]

They already were last patch regardless

[@andrewdesalvatore7262]

yea, ppl will always whine about NERFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... without noticing the Buffs. It's called Balancing. When ppl ignore 90% of the guns because there's a few guns that are just soooo ahead of everything else... using a gun that's notMeta but feels good to you = grieving.

[@CyberChud2077]

…Yes. That’s implied. People hate nerfs, people like buffs. Even if they ultimately wind up at “the same” place. Do not do what your customers hate. Do what your customers like. What’s so hard to understand about this?

[@Procrastinater]

@@CyberChud2077 Well, if you bothered to give this even an iota of thought beyond "hah! this position of mine is unassailable" you would realize that what people hate more than their weapons being nerfed is enemies being buffed to the point where their favorite weapons don't work as they want to anymore. Think the midwits pissing and shitting themselves over their railgun requiring to be charged to be used was bad? Imagine if they instead made the charger legs taks 3 or 4 hits to break by buffing its leg health. Only buffing just causes the game's difficulty to suffer, which makes people get bored unless you buff the enemies, but that will end up feeling "artificial" and the whinefest continues. Not to mention, it is waaaay harder to balance by changing every single mob in respect to the weapon selection than it is to tune overperforming weapons. Currently, overperforming weapons get nerfed, underperforming/utilized weapons get buffs, how is this a worse system than buffing everything, gradually ramping untill solo helldive can be done casually? In the end, it wraps around to "don't balance your game in a way I do not approve of or I will shit and piss my pants untill my favorite youtuber tells me the new meta weapons to use" It's just whining and noise.

[@Dubst3pFriki17]

------------- ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ -------------- GLORIOUS VICTORY

[@daethbane]

Great points, I think you have a solid view on what needs doing here. With the recent changes you can feel what's "good enough" even in difficulty 5 and up. You fight non-stop and if your guns can't keep up with that you have to run something like the Incendiary Breaker.

[@ERMAC_-im8ee]

I am proud of the Brotherhood of PC Players! Freedom! Democracy! Unity! We have defended the right of PC players all over the world to play this wonderful game!

[@philippstarkel5523]

First of Congrats on the whole Community. We won this fight. Secondly: OhDough, I disagree on your take on balancing and really like the approach of only sitegrades in Helldivers. It makes more primarys viable and and varies the gameplay. The Dominator, Sickle, Erruptor, Plas Punisher ( not for me but some people do crazy tglhings with it), Scorcher, Incendiary Breaker and Defender all effective and have their roles. Now, that the stronger weapons were brought to one level, they can in steps bring all primary weapons to that strength. And it's a coop shooter. Weapons should be balanced in a way to compliment each other.

[@xotnyttmarezzz6993]

People just want a power fantasy and always buffing and never nerfing just leads to power creep. AH doesn't get it perfect every time but I think they've done more good than bad with the weapon balance

[@nonyabusiness890]

Remember Sony is rife we DEI and they do want to control your speech and even thought on their platforms. You can say what you want as long as it is approved speech. Just look at OW2 as an example. When I stopped playing literally no one was talking in chat because bans were out of control and the forums are full of woke topics but if you dare disagree you are labeled toxic and worse. This of course is made possible by the DEI loving community managers and higher ups that have bought into this agenda. While I was angry about the folks that would lose their accounts because they could not make a PSN account and I had uninstalled and issued a refund it was also for the fact that Sony wanted my data so they could control me and ban me more easily which Misty and Baskinator (both HD CM's) said is what the PSN linking is all about. Love your channel keep up the good work!

[@an0bserver2000]

i wonder if DEI will stick around as a conservative buzzword any longer than CRT did.

[@nonyabusiness890]

@@an0bserver2000 Buzzword? You can do better then that, I know its hard to think but just give it a try.

[@nonyabusiness890]

@@an0bserver2000 Buzzword? You can do better then that. Seriously try thinking a little bit, I know it will be hard but I believe in you, you can do it!

[@nonyabusiness890]

Buzzword? That is a pretty low effort reply. You can do better, I believe in you!

[@an0bserver2000]

@@nonyabusiness890 I mean, you people use it as a buzzword. any time you people think something is "woke" you call it DEI. it has an identical use case to CRT back when that was the popular buzzword.

[@MrBlbll]

I understand the point of diving solo being a controlled environment, but I think the game has enough gameplay variety to encourage group play. For example, two people fighting loud and pulling bug breaches, two specialists taking niche roles (infiltrating bases, bringing weapons better against only 1 enemy type, only doing sides&poi, etc). Duos become fun with tight-knit teamwork, like autocannon-guy dropping his backpack for the partner to allow him to go full auto, or the cqc with blitzer and flamethrower keeping the tides away from someone with better group clear and range.

[@MattLetsPlays]

lets hope this inspires other player bases to also stand up against greedy corporates. We deserve better!

[@1gn30us]

“Two Billion and One” lets get this out. Sony needs to know how useless they are, how simply inconsequential they are.

[@Jackal19x]

I've been saying this for awhile about Co-op games; it's NOT competitive- so stop nerfing the fun stuff, buff the un-fun stuff so EVERYTHING is fun to play with eventually. Just let players choose how to play together.

[@LordZedz]

There are going to be nerfs. Every game has nerfs co-op or PvP. They've been buffing tons of weapons. You'll live.

[@hawk9mm]

@@LordZedz "Buffing tons of weapons" you mean.. like the Liberator Pen? Full auto sure fixed that POS right? Giving 5 "extra" damage to the base Liberator that still can't penetrate light armor? Fixed that for sure right? I could continue but you get my point, these "buffs" that you tout are jokes, they do nothing other than allowing you AH bots to sing AH's praises.

[@GBR9794]

(meanwhile, warframe do exactly that, forced to introduce more "FUN" and ruined the game

[@LordZedz]

@@hawk9mm Weapons that have been buffed significantly since launch: Recoilless, EAT, Laser Cannon, Jar-5, Senator, Flamethrower, Spray & Pray, Breaker Incendiary, Punisher just off the top of my head. That's not even including weapons like the Slugger which have been both buffed and then nerfed.

[@ShermanistDruid]

The only thing worse than nerfs are power creep, so while it sucks it's a necessary evil.

[@iMarcism]

Agree whole hearted. We fought for Helldivers and the Dev should balance the game on what PLAYERS want and not what they want for us.

[@help_im_in_pain8556]

"Another victory for the right side of history"

[@krykas1821]

ALL HELLDIVERS FIX YOUR REVIEWS!!! WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE NEEDED! NOW THAT WE'VE SHOWN THEM OUR DISAPPROVAL SHOW THEM OUR SUPPORT FOR REVERTING THE UPDATE! DON'T LEAVE YOUR NEGATIVE REVIEWS, SHOW THEM SUPPORT FOR LISTENING DO YOUR PART!

[@IRMentat]

We haven’t got jack yet. Only a message on Twitter. Hold the line until SOnY have DONE something.

[@CallOfGamer2012]

I feel immensely proud to be part of this community.

[@theboomshroom1865]

thanks for the news, just came back from work. put a smile on my face. you are right that the direction of the patches still needs to change, but lets hope the best for the future! for today, we have won.

[@TopassBakery]

I agree, we survived the 500kg from sony, but now its up to the devs to keep the game alive

[@VirtuesOfSin]

As someone who worked as a community face for Customer Service before, we were basically required by the company we worked for to put on a smile/happy face and "find the best out of negatives to hype up any choice made - regardless if it was good or bad." My assumption was that the Community Leaders were trying to hype up the account-linking and put a magnifying glass on the pros while downplaying the cons. I'll admit, the passive aggressive "just make a PSN" account statement was a little much on their end, but having seen most of their replies and responses, they really had no sway or power over Sony's choice. In the end, they were just the mouth piece and trying to appease consumers concerns over a bad Sony choice.

[@WralthChardiceVideo]

I don't understand people that want to chide Pilestedt for his decisions. The man wanted to make an amazing game and took a gamble that would hopefully force Sony's hand down the line, and it did. The only alternative would've been that the game never got sold in non-PSN countries to begin with.

[@AdamKafei]

If, as they claim, the PSN requirement was decided prior to release then selling the game in non-PSN countries is disingenous at best and false pretenses at worst. Either way it deserves chastigation.

[@Bober077]

0:34 +25% experience from every source and + 5 credits from every drop will make MANY players sign in.

[@Andrew_Li_O]

I don't even play this game but that's what gamer's solidarity looks like and it's amazing

[@JKM2468]

4:53 how do you make samples so visible? I don’t see the icons until I have them basically at an arm’s length

[@khorne133]

Idn. The 5 extra damage to the Liberator was something that I would have not noticed how much better it performs until I took it in and used it for a bit. That small buff made the weapon far more consistent in its killing potential. 5 more rounds in the mad would be great, but imho, even a small change can have a big difference.

[@metallicarchaea1820]

Democracy: Stolen🚫 Democracy: Managed✅️

[@AizeNFoN]

never see a huge gamer unite in my entire life like this.

[@earthtaurus5515]

That's down to the inadvertent magical lightning arrowhead managed to capture in a bottle with a game. As after all, which live service community single objective driven game have you seen bind a community together cohesively regardless of gender, faith, political views etc? I can't think of any personally. Sony almost ruined it, however as long the 177 countries remain delisted the community won't be whole. So, it's not over yet.

[@dragoon3219]

I play on PlayStation and I’m still super happy to hear this. Most of my friends are on PC and I completely understood when they almost universally refused to link accounts given Sony’s security screw ups over the years.

[@davidhaaijema4521]

Training your playerbase in game to be loyal without question regardless of the cost and to mindlessly follow the same objective, turns out that isn't just useful ingame. "For Democracy!" indeed, alot of non-effected people stood up for those who would be effected. Also PC gamers aren't console peasants, we aren't trained on 1 system to think that thinks can only be 1 way.

[@smishmaster]

This is officially the greatest game community of all time.

[@korak2183]

Do you know anything about how the situation in the other countries? Do they get the option again to purchase helldivers 2 or are they out for good now on this option?

[@Nirual86]

that'll depend on Steam reversing the change. Might take another day or two like before, unless Valve wants to see more proof Sony won't just flip the switch again later.

[@lmAIone]

This should be used as an example in the future towards other companies! Godbless you all 👍🏼

[@richardjohnson8991]

Speaking on future positive momentum for the game and balancing around solo helldive is really critical going forward. Short term the game is going to be played in lobbies and groups of friends but over time players are going to fall off significantly and players need to be able to complete these missions, preferably with a variety of equally powerful and fun options.

[@GordonKast]

community managers, all of them should be fired right now!!!

[@silentsong1649]

They have stealth buffed enemys more than once. When the added the headshot damage res to armors over 100 AV, the also buffed headshot damage a bit.

[@danielb.7536]

100% agree with the second half regarding the direction of the game regarding balance and patches going forward Dough. The game may have be saved for now but this means all that effort now must be for something.

[@Lilitha11]

I honestly don't care much what minor tweaks they make with weapons and stuff, I just want everything to actually work as intended, all the time. No weird damage bugs where you do no damage, or an insane amount of damage depending on stuff completely outside your control.

[@giygas9305]

I completely agree with what you are saying about the first patch. I even brought it up on my (formerly) negative review. Game was crazy awesome when I started playing and that first huge update really changed a ton of stuff, including the AI, as you said.

[@Rockforce80]

I'm picking up what you're putting down Dough. Railgun damage doubled

[@OhDough]

Lmao

[@N57Icarus]

That was definitely a general order, where are our 50 badges

[@225Reaver]

For the players in countries where it was legal to make PSN accounts, it's not just "making a PSN account", it's "linking your steam to the PSN account" which basically hands over all the data Steam keeps on you to Sony for whoever wants to hack them to steal. Which is a lot of data. Like who you play with, what games you own, what's your highest playtime, what computer you use, potentially your credit card information - a big thing, since Sony are far more lax about data security than Valve - your chat history, your friends lists, and more. Sony's chequered history with hacks is definitely something to be wary about. For the players in countries where PSN accounts are NOT available, of course, this move was a slap in the face and a disgrace. I'm very glad they're walking it back. Having said that, Arrowhead and (and because of this, Sony) are suffering from their own success. The PSN requirement was already in place at the start which was first skippable. However, it was removed BECAUSE the game exploded in popularity so well - something I suspect Sony simply didn't expect. I'd wager the execs didn't think "oh we'll be able to harvest so much data, ha ha ha" they probably heard from Arrowhead "oh there's technical issues with PSN linkage? ok shut it off for a month and make it mandatory once you've got the servers stabilised, nice work making us so much money" and didn't think more about how it'd royally set them up for a backlash of this magnitude. Executives blinkered by idiocy rather than malice is much more likely the case here.

[@FISH_SAUCER]

I feel so bad for Arrowhead. They never deserved all of the hate they got, but it was the only way to make ourselves heard

[@shamshieldd214]

the CM`s are not the Dev team. Twinbeard has been a humble ass CM, props to him. some of them didnt exactly de-escalate or made the situation worse by hiding their profiles and shit. glad this is being overturned. hopefully those countries can get access to the game back. games are supposed to unite people, here`s Sony`s chance to do that.

[@Mr_Itchy]

This is what happen when you train hundreds of thousands of people to come together as a community and defeat an enemy then you become that enemy

[@Twocoolman115]

A message to everyone that declares this a victory for Democracy: You’re right, this is how a Democracy SHOULD work. Even if elected officials hold the power, it’s the voice of the people that truly matter. And the leaders should follow the people’s will, not the other way around. So yes, celebrate that sweet democracy. And don’t forget your Liber-Tea.

[@RMDragon3]

Making changes due to bugs is really wild to me. They either know about the bug and make the change anyway, or they make the change without realizing there's a bug, and I don't know which is worse. You first fix the bug, and THEN make changes if they are still needed.

[@zbyszanna]

It's super important for everyone that left a negative review to post a positive one now. The community has to show that there is a point for Sony to listen to players, if not, they will be less willing to listen to community in the future. If course provided this is not something temporary.