Helldivers 2 - CCO Speaks on Capes, Fans Are Upset & Devs Cook!

[@Nic9458]

Thank god they are adding the stratagem launcher to the mechs, it is so annoying to have to get out of my mech to call in reinforcements if my teammates die

[@seanscott8277]

Hopefully they fix when you're in the mech using the map and push up you use a stim which is annoying.

[@steeljawX]

To make it better, they'd need to fix the stratagems sticking to enemies but deploying to the point of impact known issue. Like it's great to be able to use them, but I want my precision strike to both strike at a precise target instead of striking at a point that is no longer relevant. Also, I really want to make a super walking barrage. Stick a 380mm beacon to a scavenger and then punt it across a field.

[@StephenStine]

What's funny is that this was a mechanic that we had in the first Helldivers game, that and custom and random loadouts. Why they've taken steps backwards from the first game is beyond me.

[@douglasanderson8016]

​@@steeljawX I think the way it works is fine. You throw a cluster/air strike/orbital into a nest and it attaches to a hunter..it turns jumps out of the nest towards you..dead. Isn't it better to have it land where you intended it to?

[@MrHocotateFreight]

​@@douglasanderson8016 "where you intended it to" exactly, so your example isn't the only way someone would want to throw an orbital. No confusion then, you understand your way is not the only way right?

[@Moodyman90]

"It hasn't officially been reported through official means therefore it's not officially recognized as an official issue to be fix officially." I think I got the gist of the messaging.

[@PradoTraceAZ]

Is that from a Kamelface Harris speech?

[@Moodyman90]

@@PradoTraceAZ No comment other than any speech patterns or references to any real world person living or dead is unintentional. My comment was made to make fun of the kind of people who need paperwork submitted in triplicate before they even acknowledge a thing.

[@MiguelGaray-mm7ce]

@@PradoTraceAZThat’s a pretty lame nickname. “Camel face”? I challenge you to do better than that.

[@ojeda916]

I'm sure you know how entitled and rude gamers can be, just spamming nonsense in the discord, so yeah it's probably a good thing that there's an official way to do it

[@Moodyman90]

@@ojeda916 yes, but at the same time I also doubt nobody has not reported it officially and the fact it's under known issues makes B Vitamin's comments how "we can't fix things we don't know about" to paraphrase, either ignorant of the issue, willfully too when presented with proof and statements of "hasn't crossed my desk" or dismissive of the player base and how such bugs/glitches affect our enjoyment of the game.

[@Ironed-Silver]

My issue with ragdolling is that it knocks you out of cover for the rest of the bots to mow you down. Cover doesn't mean jack if the bots constantly yeet me out of it

[@ippanpedrozo1162]

it sucks when their ragdoll aoe pulls out from behind cover to in front of it. hot take, when behind cover, ragdoll aoe SHOULD NOT GO THROUGH THE COVER. infinite times playing bots, try to get cover from any explosive source (command bunker, turret towers, fab strider cannon, tank cannon, hulk cannon, rocket striders), i reload, stim, headglitch out of cover, then the explosion hits THE FRONT of the cover and i get sent flying wildly OUT of cover into bot fire. it feels like in this game that you get punished for trying to use cover.

[@ryanlink8699]

Then you aren’t really behind cover, are you?

[@johncrowley3322]

All explosions in the game are fkn bugged no matter the mechanism If you pay close attention to the explosion itll suck the player character/bot bug into the center point of the explosion right before the damage is applied

[@SolitaryRamenB63]

Exactly, I hate when you're taking cover behind a rock and get launched into the open

[@maddlarkin]

It's the animation lock for me, it intrupts whatever animation you were in and prevents you doing anything till your character fully stands up and on planets with those environmental hazards that also cause ragdoll you can get bounced round for about 10+ seconds which is just frustrating, ragdolling has probably accounted for 60% of the deaths I've had post buff patch. It does need toning down or the environment features like those puff ball things removed as a temporary fix just to reduce the amount of time you bounce round on some worlds

[@christianarzate6387]

Imagine how horrifying it would be to hear bile titans, tanks, and chainsaws rapidly approaching you. This would surely increase immersion and add an element of fear and horror in some instances

[@FoxWJK]

its obvious that some old mechanics weren't thought out or updated from the first game. This was a non-issue in the first game as it was top down and you could see them coming, in this third person game you can't always see them coming so some added sound would be great. Especially considering the enemies can detect you if your making noise and not prone etc.

[@asakayosapro]

Bile titans, impalers, chargers approaching: aim spear, fire spear, i sleep Stalker approaching: *real shit! Where? I MUST KILL THEM ALL*

[@SmellsYemmy77]

The scariest part of seeing a bile titan is the chaff around it

[@omejira]

9:09 Major mistake: Go to Shelt and finish the gambit so that both Mastia and Shelt are defended. If you only go to Mastia, then the efforts to take Shelt will be in vain.

[@Colonel-Sigma]

Exactly, everyone should know by now that launching an attack from a planet that is about to fall, is just a diversionary tactic. JOEL keeps doing it only because it keeps working.

[@DarknessshadowKGA]

Arrowhead management: We never seen bots shooting through walls. Me: Sounds like something a bot would say.

[@Doc.BlackWolf]

Devs be playing on difficulty 4

[@johannhawk8471]

@@Doc.BlackWolf eeeh. near release there was a picture of the devs on a couch playing on red difficulty(background of picture was blurry since the picture was focused on something else in front of the couch). Due to this some people said the balancing was bad because the devs only played in teams with good coordination instead of playing with randoms. then with the escalation of freedom livestream they had 2 devs and 2 people from PSN news on difficulty 5 and getting their asses kicked in the new swamp biomes. Due to this some people said the balancing was bad because the devs suck at the game since they didn't get the memo that half the team on that livestream weren't devs. i wonder if this pendulum will swing back to "devs be playing only on high difficulty with good teams" :T.

[@lacogu]

Saying ragdoll isn't an issue is a wild ass take. I could list multiple examples in just one mission where I die from not being able to get up because I'm just continuously getting ragdolled. It feels like I'm being punished for something I have zero control over

[@asphaltape]

Every single game as well I feel like some people forget what happens during their matches or don't play past level 4-5 like what a weird gust of air hits you or there's a single pebble and your character just decides to just take a nap till something kills you DO PEOPLE NOT USE ALT!?

[@maddlarkin]

About 60% of my deaths since I started playing again post buff patch are ragdoll related. It wouldn't be as bad if you could at least use a stim as you bounce around but as it is its just infuriating

[@feelingnether158]

Yeah thats the point of enemies not letting you live. Because they are enemies

[@novacisefitch7320]

​@@feelingnether158 Reread. The problem isn't the enemies...

[@bornintokilling]

My problem with the ragdoll lately is just diving has caused multisecond ragdoll for some reason. Just straight diving to the ground can stun lock you with no enemies in sight.

[@Cosmis5]

I feel like crouching and prone positions should drastically reduce your chance to ragdoll, or at least make it way less dramatic.

[@waffle3632]

I think hating on the devs is kinda old

[@ashplattsii1fan92]

Sounds like it's more towards the discord mods, which is well deserved considering their track record

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

I think the devs’ /discord mods’ stupidity is kinda old

[@deadlyapollo]

Except Alexus Kravchenko, I will forever keep bashing that dude until he quits

[@LaserTractor]

But on the other hand their position is beyond stupid too. "We haven't recieved anything on our Zendesk so problem doesn't exist" WHAT IS EVEN ZENDESK??? Hire one guy who will watch youtube. Or make someone in your company do that. Make them read reddit, X, every social media they can. If they can't - go and use AI to summarize topics people are concerned about. 2024. Zendesk my аss

[@LaserTractor]

But on the other hand their position is beyond stuрid too. "We haven't recieved anything on our Zendesk" WHAT IS EVEN ZENDESK??? Hire one guy who will watch youtube. Or make someone in your company do that. Make them read reddit, X, every social media they can. If they can't - go and use AI to summarize topics people are concerned about. 2024. Zendesk

[@frulfluberg4005]

Its nice to see that they are so close and open to the community but seeing some interactions just leave a sour taste. But on the plus having a strategem thrower would make mechs even neater, being able to throw a shield.....though it feels like the moment you are in a mech the whole map sees you

[@foxepunz4849]

My friend likes to run the big bubble when we play and i like taking a mech build sometimes so i can hide in it with the mech on bots, it would be cool if you could bring the big bubble urself

[@frulfluberg4005]

@@foxepunz4849 It would be great, the shiel backpack does also help already with keeping the mech alive already but the more the merrier would give it a better use too, rarely see anyone use it

[@crackededge9351]

It’s impossible to use the shield generator relay effectively because you have to get out of the mech to throw it. This change could make mechs viable on the Automaton front for the first time. The ability to call in smoke strikes and shields would be good cover for mechs, especially on Automaton Super Bases.

[@frulfluberg4005]

@@crackededge9351 Thats exactly what I meant yeah

[@TannerBraselton-q1c]

I think the mech stratagem launcher should be a ship upgrade, more progression more reason to play!

[@padalan2504]

Vitamin B was clearly talking about in the context of the reports on Zendesk coming in without the media. This is typical miscommunication drama. The bug clearly exists and AH is aware, even Pilestedt was commenting on it on X or reddit and there were multiple fixes trying to mitigate this happening.

[@User9x19]

Yep, this guy is missing the point on things more often then not lately.

[@schaden_freude]

i play a lot on bot front.. it's pretty rare even though i play on lvl 8

[@aidanmaharaj5275]

​@@schaden_freude I play bots a lot and at LVL 10 you almost always get gunship fabricators and patrols so it's ragdoll central, I just think the recovery from ragdoll will help so much like i survive the ragdolling but die cause the helldiver takes 2 seconds to do 1 push up

[@schaden_freude]

@@aidanmaharaj5275 i talk about the shoot the wall thingy .. it quite rare like very rare.. i think it not like heavy issue tho .. most of the time i just throw cluster strategem and run .. about the ragdoll , the only happen during at spore area. it quite annoying but it something i dont bother too much also..

[@suchopsmimic399]

One thing about ragdalling that infuriates me is the fact that your character will ragdoll when diving on to small bumps and rocks. This kills me so frequently.

[@сергейчернов-ъ4п]

"Bots are keep shooting though the walls, when you will fix it?!" me with Demoman build: what walls? 🗿

[@jauken83]

Blame the community for not reporting an issue that's been there since launch.... Bold strategy.

[@LordHelmut780]

How about adding sectors were both bots and bugs are battling for the planet. Would be a cool way to introduce new missions and fight both at the same time

[@TheIndulgers]

They have NEVER seen Automatons shoot through walls?! They do not play their own game. We have countless examples of this fact from QA to balancing.

[@biteablehawk4551]

Who doesn't play their own game?

[@aidanmaharaj5275]

@@biteablehawk4551 the dev's don't play the game this was shown when they did a live stream and the party that took part didn't know how to kill a Hulk.

[@biteablehawk4551]

@@aidanmaharaj5275 when was that stream again?

[@arcangel6974]

Clearly not enough bots have been played mate if the opinion on the ragdolling isn't "It's too much at times" like cannon turrets, hulk cannon arms, rocket striders, Barrage tanks, they all ragdoll you all over the place and sometimes even stunlock you because they don't even have to hit you to ragdoll you, they can hit the rock infront of you and you go flying.

[@IRMentat]

i LOVE that the recovery-animation on a ragdoll is only half a secnd less than most of those enemies refire rate so most of them have a new projectile headed to your face/feet long before you get any control of your character again. individually it's obnoxious, with ANY other bot around it's an unstoppable combo-kill caused by a random AoE landing anywhere 3-6 meters around you including THROUGH terrain, so DON'T hug that cover folks or the ragdoll will launch you into open-ground in front of the machine-guns, rockets and omnipotent artillery forming a concave after teleporting around/behind you and into every possible "escape route"

[@DanzIndz]

The problem with ragdolling (especially on the bot side) is that hulks have their laser cannon aimbotting you from everywhere while also having an AOE for some reason. Old hulks with rockets can be dodged easily. Not to mention how ragdolls somehow have a specific magnet to throw players at the enemy. I've had a situation where a strider rocket hits the ground in front of me but my character instead of ragdolling backward, flew forward and to the enemy instead.

[@jangofett3147]

The aimbot is crazy I'm a jumppack main cause it's lots of fun but bots beaming me like it's call of duty while mid jump is so annoying

[@yusriyahbagheri8843]

​@@jangofett3147 tbh shooting a target flying through the air in a predictable arc is very easy. Clays have more movement than a jump pack.

[@BarracudaDrifter]

The Issue with the tanks in general, cause it happens with Eagle airstrikes is because of the AP6 front armor change they did, explosions from Eagles only do AP5, so because of the change Eagle explosions are doing no damage at all to most of the tank, which a tank Hull has 3000 hp, the non explosive component of 500kg is only 2000, with 1500 explosive

[@javolk01]

The shooting through walls argument is wild...factory striders, scout strider, and shield devastators are the main culprits. I've had well over a 100 instances where its happened to me. Usually with the factory striders because they are so large that once they get close to the cover you are behind the game then registers their "hit box" overlapping the wall's hitbox and makes it obselete.

[@Xx509ASSASSINxX]

0:12 someone is mad at AH no matter what they do. It’s getting old to constantly hate on them all of the time.

[@unendingdeluge2545]

Fax

[@Gundolf300]

​@@unendingdeluge2545To be fair. They do have a track record of doing stupid shit for even more stupid reasons sometimes. Or,, well, pretty often. But they seem to be heading the right way at least and not completely downhill like they where a couple of months ago.

[@GlitchUnlimited]

Exactly! I don't understand the ongoing issues. Sure, the start was a bit rocky, but since then they've done everything to communicate effectively, listened to feedback, and they've responded with a patch that improved the game, changed everything. We're also getting DSS, Constitutions rifle possible and so much more. I thought it was worth mentioning to see how everyone else feels about it, because in my opinion, they're doing amazing now. Plus, the bug isn't a huge deal.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

That was my first thought but then I saw what B Vitamin said and yeah, I'm back on the "they deserve it" side. Saying that they have never seen a bug report for something that has literally been in the game since day 1 is willful ignorance.

[@bostonarchie3194]

Maybe they should stop nerfing things in a pve game maybe

[@GamerKiwi]

The frequency of ragdolling is much better now but the ragdoll mechanic itself needs a tweak. Right now, if you get ragdolled, it locks you into this "getting up" animation which forces you to get out of any cover. If ragdolling ended with the helldiver remaining prone, then it would be much much better.

[@jakedizzle]

That would make way more sense.

[@matthewcichy4187]

Being able to stim while ragdolled would be a game changer.

[@Sotanaht01]

On the topic of Liberating Shelt (or defending Mastia). 1 person running Trivial missions solo and winning as fast as possible is worth 100 people doing pub 10s. You can quit to the ship the moment you enter the Pelican (note that your Medals count goes up immediately if you look at the Esc menu, we can only assume Contribution does at the same time) Math: completing 1 Trivial mission earns about 3 Contribution points and takes 3 minutes including drop in and exfil (skipping scoreboards). The exact contribution amount varies depending on how many players are online. 1 Super Helldive campaign (3 missions) at the same time of day will provide about 15 contribution points. Assuming that you do Trivials solo but Super Helldive in a team of 4, that means that the trivial still provides 3 per person while the SHD provides only 3.75 per person. Super Hell-dive missions take on average about 30 minutes EACH, so that's 2.5 points per hour compared to Trivials getting 60 points per hour, which is 24x as effective. The reason I say 100x as effective is because Super Helldives often will not complete. Either 3 missions is just too much time to play the game, or any one of those 3 will fail. Either way they get 0 points. If you can play during off hours, the lower the overall playercount the more your contribution will matter.

[@PAS2010D]

Can someone verify this? I'll do trivial runs on repeat. Whatever it takes to handle the bot front.

[@userunknown4331]

Sounds boring as hell

[@luigi9458]

if people actually start doing this i hope they do something about contribution on higher difficulties that sounds like a mind numbing grind even if it is more effective, its like grinding super credits.

[@tylerrutledge5636]

@@PAS2010DI’m about to hop in, I’ll come back and see if it’s worth it

[@IRMentat]

the never ending hamster-wheel of copy-paste-repeat is already tedious AF, why would i want to make it even worse?

[@JoltYT1337]

So, about Shelt, we need most Helldivers at Shelt to defend it, but we also need Helldivers to hold the line at Mastia- (i don't think "defending" mastia is actually needed, we need all hands on deck for Shelt. It just sounded cool) -until Shelt is Liberated. BUT at the same time we need to defend Turing to upgrade the DSS.

[@lukemehalick370]

I'm on it. I go to wherever is important and closest to liberation. Shelt is what I had in mind this morning.

[@PAS2010D]

I want the entire region where the DSS handled before we move on. To feel safe 🎉

[@johncatto7231]

There’s no reason to have any divers on Mastia. It doesn’t affect how quickly the planet is taken. If Shelt is liberated before the attack on Mastia is complete, the attack stops. That’s how a Gambit works.

[@JoltYT1337]

@@johncatto7231 Thanks for letting my dumbass know fellow diver lol :D

[@johncatto7231]

@@JoltYT1337 🫡

[@managan2862]

What do they mean when they say "technical limitations" to implementing other types of capes / scarfs? A player made a mod that adds a scarf to the game...

[@netsplice8080]

I think ragdolls are mostly ok but the Reinforced Scout Strider Rockets are bit too much I don't think an enemy should be rewarded for missing by 7 or more meters and then having the impact kill you bc you get launched at terminal velocity

[@heathmorris6100]

That's not an issue with ragdoll but the blast radius on rockets and cannons

[@Chadronius]

Nah, the amount and frequency of ragdoll is also an issue and most of the playerbase agrees with that according to the polls, at least.

[@heathmorris6100]

@Chadronius before this poll i hadn't ever heard anyone complain about ragdoll and even now nobody in the 3 groups I run with are complaining about it so forgive me if I don't believe the polls speak for the majority of the community

[@netsplice8080]

@@heathmorris6100 i agree your sentiment but that's how i feel when i play bots above 7 all i see is reinforced strides that see me form like 30 meters then their first instinct is to shoot the rocket and then it misses me hits the ground sends me flying and i hit my head on a rock with no counter play bc there's 4 of them

[@ladiesman2138]

I tbini we should have a brace button that negates damage from ragdolling by 90% so we can survive being sent flying

[@Shade______dumbnamerestriction]

The only issue i have with ragdolls are when they happen after a dive when you land on a pebble or have half of your body "in the air" & it ragdoll you for no reason. Ragdoll caused by enemies is just fine at the moment (yes even the impaler sending you to outer space)

[@mobilelagger500]

yes, this bullshit also got me killed so many times, the ragdoll from blast is fine for me because we can fast recover, but the ragdoll youre talking is stupid shit slow like taking 5 second to recover. and ended up enemy close enough to butcher me.

[@choo-choo4269]

​@mobilelagger500 it's slower because it takes like 2 seconds to ragdoll after you fall on it, and you can't move at all when it happens. It's like an old cartoon where a character takes 3 seconds to realize they're suspended in the air and only fall when they look down

[@HuskySansVergogne]

My only issues with ragdolling is how the environment and terrain affects it. When you dive you can sometime ragdoll because of some rock or because the terrain isn't 100% flat. It's so infuriating dodging something with a dive and getting ragdolled for no logical reason.

[@choo-choo4269]

Falling on a hellpod, even if the ground is 95% flat is gonna give you a guaranteed ragdoll. I used to die a lot because of this

[@domidoodoo]

I get ragdolled so much after diving away from an attack which gets me killed anyways

[@HuskySansVergogne]

@@domidoodoo 70% of my death on bug front are these lmao

[@dat1ytcomment262]

2 feet is enough for a diver to ragdoll. Its stupid asf

[@johncrowley3322]

​@@HuskySansVergognethe other 30% are team kills

[@KokotoHero-N3]

Additional cape designs would be cool but the shoulders and EOD neck braces on a lot of armors would make that such a time-intensive task I can't see them doing it.

[@Sir_Golyat]

When im recording, the bots never shoot through walls, but when Im not recording, they do it.

[@arlekino_000]

>devs don't cook >fans upset >devs actually cook >fans upset

[@__-fi6xg]

mechs are still shit, we still get oneshot vs bots, wearing heavy armor has no benefits still, angular shots make even rockets and orbitals richoet and do zero damage... people finally doing their job but still being below average? My boss would fire me if i needed almost a year to figure out how to do my job right.

[@revelation9125]

@@__-fi6xgemancipator feels great now and you’re just being a baby. Get good.

[@DrlftySwlfty]

​@@__-fi6xgyou only use mechs against bugs. Everyone knows that

[@sitfish1113]

I​@DrlftySwlfty I have a friend who regularly uses mechs against bots in 7-9 difficulty. They're not terrible you just have to know when to use them and keep an eye out for turrets

[@sitfish1113]

They are one of the best ways to demolish an AT AT

[@markpetrochenko8402]

Rocket walker lunches a rocket ... misses me ... hits the ground tho... I am getting lunched into the wall with a speed of 7 mach

[@tonyr978]

Ragdolling rn feels pretty alright there are simply the times you get stunlocked, you're 1 inch above the ragdoll height, or you land on an uneven surface.

[@dahvoun3918]

Hulk Devastators got a different arm cannon that ragdolls more frequently, only gripe with ragdolling is those guys

[@FactorRandomGuild]

You can replicate the bug in 15 minutes missions when fabricators and tank usually shoot through walls

[@dabrigadier1101]

I don't really mind the ragdoll thing except for two things: 1. those rockets from those armored scout striders push you forwards instead of away from the blast like what was wrong with the eruptor back then. 2. Blasts from rockets or heavy rounds pushing people away even when behind hard cover.

[@AlteFore]

Rocket striders are the sole reason I don't play bots. It feels like they spawn more than basic ground units and they have ZERO counterplay if you don't see them coming. They tend to spawn behind you at random and sneak up on you, and then fire their instant-kill, ragdolling rocket. If it doesn't kill you on contact, it locks you in a ragdoll for 20 seconds and lets the guns clean you up. On top of that, they don't have any proper tells that they're about to fire a rocket. Feels super unfair to fight.

[@joao.bettencourt]

Where is our promised cape regarding the review incident? 🙄

[@apghost1627]

They said they don't want to do it until the game is available again in all the countries that it got taken out of which is probably not going to happen sadly

[@MessinVR]

Get over it

[@gordianknot5260]

@@MessinVR Is that what your ganna say when these wonderful devs break their game again?

[@MessinVR]

@@gordianknot5260 you can lose the arrowhead doomer victim personality now 👍

[@gardevoir7137]

​@@MessinVRnah, he has a point.

[@blitzhunts]

bugs would be EASY to replicate if the team actually had communications to eachother and had meetings with all members every couple days.

[@foxy-oe7ww]

7:39 did u know that if u dive the fire dissappers pls use it dont waste stims

[@MaliciousMedic]

Ragdolling is at it's worst when you're wearing heavy armor. You're too slow to avoid multiple instances and you survive longer, leading to a lengthy cc chain. Heavy armor needs a lot of love right now :(

[@Decoy96]

About the ragdolling.. the only change i recommend is to increase the distance ragdolling starts to take effect when diving off rocks. Half the fun is creating cinematic moments like diving off a rock n blasting enemys but your character goes limp after like 1.5 seconds of air time

[@mmkanashiro]

after the last big update, the bots shooting through bug never happened to me again, AT ATs used to do it all the time whit the miniguns but now it's really rare

[@Amcardtitan]

the problem with regdolling isn't that it lasts too long, it's that you have like an entire 2 second window where you can be ragdolled again and have no way to defend yourself, so your trapped in a loop. maybe adding I-frames when standing up would fix that.

[@VoidedEmptiness]

I think they fixed it a bit, flamethrowing hulks used to light me on fire through rocks sometimes, now I don’t really see it.

[@4bone427]

Ngl I figured the wall shooting thing wasn't a bug just added realism or something

[@natehanson9672]

I think she means that no one submits a report with video. Not that they’ve never heard the reports

[@TookyG]

Everything you need to know about B vitamin you can learn from that profile pic.

[@DiogoSalazar]

The problem to ragdolling is that I want the animation of ragdolling end in a lying down state instead of always having to stand up. Just leave me lying down, I will steam myself and then decide what to do next

[@Hydallion]

"It's well known, but I've never seen it, so how can it be a problem?" Nice logic there

[@katalina917]

I think what the devs are meaning is nobody has sent video with proof the bots are shooting through walls with a support ticket. a video should have some metadata, which would include date and time. Then they would know which patch it would be part of. if it's part of a KZbinr or Reddit video, there's no guarantee of which patch is part of(people posting old videos for example), and they have done some fixes for the bots shooting through walls and it's a known issue because a lot of people talked about it in the discord

[@fire2box]

Biggest problem with ragdolling 1. diving puts out fire, ragdolling does not despite both going to the ground. 2. Not being able to stim in ragdoll. 3. we can be ragdolled but at best we can only stun enemies.

[@randomdude6737]

Reinforced scout striders should not have the heavy rockets that an artillery tank has problem solved. that shit can one tap you if it lands anywhere near you and if it doesn't you either get lunched miles away to die from fall damage or to receive more laser holes from other enemies

[@johannhawk8471]

yeah when one is tuned towards coordinating a dev team you need to sometimes take a step back to explain to a regular layman the difference between QnA forms, feedback forms, and the actual bug report helpdesk. Then there's the matter of filling it out properly so whoever has to deal with it has an easier time parsing it faster.

[@terrariankitsune3732]

I was literally thinking about shoulder-mounted capes for HD2 JUST yesterday! What coincidence!

[@thoughtgaming492]

The ragdolling is definitely a bit much at times. Let alone when I take a step off of a tiny hill and my guy falls over.

[@IRMentat]

the "bots shooting through terrain" was obvious the moment a lot of specific "wide-base" bots walk near a terrain item. -ATAT can "nose up to" ANY "low" surface/plateau/building/wall and shoot through/beyond it with their gatlings despite their "face" not being visible. -riot-shield bots can "scrape" against terrain with their MG and shoot you despite their arm being inside terrain (hey can shoot you literally through the back-side of the terrain-texture but 90% of their already limited weakpoints are physically in the terrain thus untouchable) the tower-defence/rocket-rush mode often has dropships try to land on top of the plateau and instead drop enemi3es inside the terrain-walls that can shoot through it despite not being able to physically move through it (usually get their guns pressing out from inside the terrain) -not the same but cannons/turrets often project their AoE's through cover despite there being a clear barrier between player and projectile. -also sometimes see the "buddies" of machine-gunners land hits despite their carried weapons being waist high on walls that you all but need to go prone on at shoulder height to be able to shoot from as a player who is on average taller than the small-bots.

[@GregAndrews03]

8:40 we just have to accept that bugdivers are going to throw this mo. They'll bang out their plants like turing but refuse to put any work into the bot front in order to keep our ground... its ridiculous

[@Samuel-jn2oc]

> you can't order us how to play the game > The DSS is destroyed because of insufficient support > Can't believe clankers couldn't defend a planet Sometimes i really wonder who has the most braincells: terminids or bugdivers?

[@fhantum6519]

Sadly Bugdivers are often like this, doesn't mean you can't help pick up the slack the same as me.

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

Last I checked bugdivers never wined about not being able to take a planet.

[@GregAndrews03]

@Samuel-jn2oc > i can't, but I can call you out for not helping the rest of the community. In all honesty, if you don't want to help with MO's, you shouldn't get any rewards. Just like how many other games. > Yeah. If you bug divers would grow a spin and send support, that'd be great. But you won't. > us on the bot front get far fewer numbers in order to defend our planets. Normally, I wouldn't care if we lose a planet. But the planets now we need to take are to keep the dss safe. So why not try and help?

[@GregAndrews03]

@fhantum6519 i get on just about every night. But me putting in a few more hours isn't going to help that much, in all honesty. If we had a few thousand players from acamar iv help defend it would be a hell of a lot easier

[@ZecrOfficial]

Trying to shift the fault of why a bug still exist onto your customer base because they didnt qa test your game for free for you and report something is a wild fuckin take, that mod needs to be gone. Absolute disrespect and any good staff would take the blame and make it fixed.

[@Flakjacket96]

I bet you complain about police not doing their job while also refusing to report any crime you witness.

[@rzr0015]

Glazers coming in with low iq takes​@@Flakjacket96

[@Hengilore]

​​​​​​@@Flakjacket96worst example ever ,you are comparing not reporting a crime with reporting a bug trougth other ways rather than their support Chanel If anything close to It would be like if the police woulnt listen to your report becuase you didnt send a letter with all the data about the crime instead of calling them directyl "Oh we saw on the news and we recieve dozens of calls of someone been murder but since we didnt recieve any letter theres no crime to investigate" do you work with that logic pal? I Hope you dont

[@IRMentat]

agreed, entirely the wrong attitude for this kind of issue. this is why most cusatomer service work from a script. response should have gone thusly. hello ~name of person~, thank you for bringing this to our attention. We do not have much/any evidence/reports on this issue, please go to form "ABCD", provide links/footage/instances of it happening and we will get right into investigating it azsx enemies that can shoot through walls is not our intent, in fact it seems rather unfortuinate and game-breaking given the multiple changes to increase enemy ranged-effectiveness and their total lack of a limited ammo-supply forcing the constant use of cover-peaking even as rag-doll rockets propagate through terrain. bad attitudes in customer facing roles always reflect poorly on the employers/business they belong to (even in the cesspit that is discord, as an appropriate name for an app as any could be given the general mod behaviors)

[@Flakjacket96]

@@Hengilore Except that the Support Channel IS 911 and what people are doing is going onto reddit or twitter to complain instead of reporting it or when they do, they don't add any evidence to prove it.

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

I just really hope we get the ability to custom color our armor soon. I know it probably won't happen, but it would be so nice.

[@thebird1334]

They should make it so you can go first person when the extraction shuttle takes off

[@memdic6987]

A good quality of life improvement for Mecha alongside strategems launcher would be the ability to change shoulders at any time as if you are aiming

[@HibridaGaming]

I think what’ll happen is they’ll roll out this next big patch as part of their 60 day plan, and have some event to celebrate Liberty Day shortly after. Maybe a content drop like Escalation of Freedom. But the real surprise is that the Illuminate show up and ruin the celebration. It could be called “Liberty Day” and be Illuminate themed making it dark and gloomy. Plus, it would be a great way lore wise to get everyone dropping in with some serious motivation.

[@redoctober67]

I ragdolled by diving over a crate and landing on its surface that was HIGHER than my feet from when I initiated the jump. Also, ragdoll needs to extinguish flames, and should simply put you into the prone instead of standing up into a hail of gunfire.

[@qualwinters8784]

The MO to protect Turing is almost certain to be completed by the end of its period now, even if we nobody plays it, considering Acamar IV is the only active planet directly linked to it (it's almost liberated). Regardless, I've been to Mastia a few hours ago before going to work, and it looks like we're going to fail its defence, meaning our DSS and its hub can EASILY become the next targets sometime in the future. I don't know how to feel about this now. 😑

[@asmodavtuber]

We have so much trouble taking planets in defense now, it wasn't really a problem before, while now it's much harder. I did some checking, and I can't really find a solution, unless it changes the percentage we liberate on a planet to defend since we normally have the SEAF on it. I would like that to change.

[@divinecrusader4258]

Unfortunately, I think it's because of the lower playerbase. The game still has a very healthy amount of players, but it is _way_ lower from release, for a variety of reasons (looking at you, Sony).

[@M8Stealth]

Joel dynamically controls the planet level fights. HD1 has 500 players right now and still doing the same galactic scale wars just like HD2.

[@champzki]

The ragdolling I now hate is the new laser hulks. They rag doll you with the first shot then either snipe you in mid air or ex-life you before you get up. Also, the enemies not dying sometimes I believe is a lag issue of some kind. I have that problem on bug planets constantly where they seem to get a triple boost to health, sometimes mid-match

[@王沛升]

They need to make the devs play on bots one campaign every week at lv10 mandatory, presumably using all random loadouts, they'll find how unfailr it feels to fight against bots is currently, especially if they every compair it with pre patch. The +30% limb damage, +25% bot lazer gun projectile damage, rocktet strider rocket, bunker turret, hulks' lazer cannon, tank's and cannon turret health, HMG durable damage and angle AP nerf, the heavy devs shooting through itself, the frustrating ricochet situation, enemy shooting through wall, bots chacing at you indefinitely, armor increase on dev head. All these make no sense and makes playing against bots frustrating, no wonder most player perfer bugs even though bots have clear weak points.

[@IRMentat]

plus the bots are PINPOINT accurate, 95% of their projectiles are UTTERLY SILENT (until they connect with the back of your head one after another). Plus they are also near-hitscan in terms of projectile-velocity. not a single bot projectile can be reliably "dodged" (except for VERY recently with the rockets no longer being shaped like beach-balls while looking like cigars with the power of a goldeneye golden-gun) Plus many enemies can literally aim-bot you to the extent that a mid-air player-ragdoll (usually caused by something explosive hitting the other side of some cover/terrain below your feet) is merely a turky-shoot for multiple follow-up high damage hits even as you spin uncontrollably while waiting for the coin-clip of if you land face-first and die instantly (pending pebble/wall/hard-surface) or if you land on anything else and are forced to roll around on the floor for 2-5 additional seconds mid-combat before going into a canned get-up animation that sees you standing still at full height for another 2-5 seconds before being allowed any player-control back.

[@Anyoalen]

Speaking of the 500kg not killing, just last night I landed one on an impaler and it didn't die. It's kind of disappointing when you land one square on your target and it survives

[@Kanielwhiskey]

These titles are a rollercoaster of emotions

[@ebigford34]

shooting through solid objects is beyond annoying. I also had a charger go though a giant rock the other day and kill me like the rock wasn't even there.

[@IRMentat]

some terrain items are destructible. a charger running through it is one thing, a shield-MG devastor shooting through it BEFORE it breaks or ramming their arm into a wall/slope and the projectiles streaming at you despite the visible section now being 99.99% heavy-armour is beyond obnoxious, the ATAT can do it as well by ramming their faces into anything with a simple texture-map terrain-plateaus, shanty-huts and walls alike.

[@KsnypsAdventures]

100% some excessive beta testing going on for the illuminate. I think they’re readying them for release on liberty day, or shortly after the DSS launches But maybe we’ll have a big update coming around Christmas. Either way i’m excited, about time they drop the third faction

[@danyg0o0]

Here we go again

[@DiogoSalazar]

So, in software development, we have a clear protocol for bug fixing that is properly tracked so it can be measured later against performance of the team, the developers, QA, etc. It is not QA’s job to go to the internet and randomly look for videos of bugs, people need to report it. I do find strange that this has been happening forever and no one (allegedly) bothered submitting a ticket or posting on the discord channel without tagging AH.

[@Flakjacket96]

Thank You!! It like complaining that you got robbed and the police didn't do anything while also refusing to call them.

[@tabithal2977]

I personally don't believe that "no one bothered to report it"

[@DiogoSalazar]

@@tabithal2977 oh, absolutely, that is the part that I find VERY WEIRD

[@Flakjacket96]

@@tabithal2977 You sir have WAY too much faith in people to be smart and report through official means.

[@tabithal2977]

@Flakjacket96 1. I'm not a sir 2. Helldivers 2 has sold twelve million (12,000,000) copies. And you mean to tell me that you genuinely thing that not a single one of them ever reported this issue with a video attached to it. Not one? I don't buy it

[@toddmorningstar4206]

I want a planet seige mode where we take the DSS to wherever it's voted on to be and then drop in mass (8-16 Helldivers) to wreck havoc in an all-out battle.

[@cyphr191]

Devs don't want to any research. They also don't read their own forums. They do ignore issues, they told me to report one and I spent a long time editing a video. They totally ignored it.

[@johnereinhardt5137]

I had a factory strider butted up against a rock pile once shoot me through it on the other side with the front auto cannons. Didn't bother trying to get a clip because I kinda figured they'd have known about this by now

[@billybearham6343]

im happy with the game got nearly 200 hours game time and still enjoying trying new loadouts, glad the devs are keep updating the game adding new stuff

[@Syphanime]

Mastia is under attack ! We need Termind player to divert to Mastia to help defend the station. 😭

[@oceandark3044]

I mean, I'm not confused. The reason they want Zendesk reports is because they can use that for tracking. A video on KZbin showing a rocket passing through a rock can prove it can happen, but not really help in why it did or how. Or sometimes even when. When we were having that connectivity issue earlier, I used Zendesk to send a book of information so they knew what I was talking about and could check the data to see what was happening. And it's really important because, obviously, they can't see a reason in the code for a rocket to be able to pass through terrain. So it's on the list, and they patch the things they see, but they don't see this happening. And, like Glitch says, it's rare. I can't say I've had a rocket pass through a rock to hit me in many months.

[@lankyp7579]

"People are upset again? No way.." (watches video) "Im mad"

[@GlitchUnlimited]

lolol well hopefully not my friend. 😂

[@alecbloodgood5816]

The Brasch Tactics displays in ship are pretty awesome.

[@scottcheg9]

I was ragdolled in heavy armour yesterday at full health and got bounced around so much it killed me, complete stun lock, it can still be pretty unforgiving at times.

[@luimtegger]

My theory is that Liberty Day will also be invasion day by the Illuminat or some time around it. Like E-Day in Gears of War. 😂

[@IIICL0AKERIII]

!!!LIBERATE SHELT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

[@seaxybeast1380]

By the Allfather it has been taking us three fucking days

[@monocyte2210]

all exosuits should have a strategem launcher. its gonna dramatically increase its usage too

[@kiro-fo9qg]

5:32 if getting clipped sends you flying into a rock at 80 mph its a problem.

[@steeljawX]

Everything that the devs say would elude to that little to no bot testing has been done. Everything was compared to how it performed against the Charger. Not the Hulk, not Devastators, not tanks. Only Chargers. There's more enemies out there than just Chargers, but that's what every change included. "It performed too well against Charger armor....", "It was killing Chargers too fast.....", "It was ignoring Charger's resistance and hitting things it shouldn't....." That, to me, just tells me that the Devs dislike playing/testing against the bots as much as a decent fraction of the playerbase does as well. Meaning that they're not testing the Automaton changes extensively. They're punching in new numbers and seeing how we react. So because Bile Spewers, Nursing Spewers, Bile Titans, and Spitters are not splooshing through solid cover, they don't consider it a problem. This annoys me because it only takes a few missions against the bots before you actually do get this. You're in solid cover with your back secure and you start taking damage because the soldier aimbot kicks in, they land the next 15 hits into your head no matter where you are. And here's the thing, I'd normally be with you on that they can't fix what they don't know and if we're not telling them then the bigger portion of the onus is on us, the playerbase. HOWEVER, it took them until that mega patch 2 weeks ago for them to finally fix ADS being inaccurate to the reticles for every gun. Something that was there from the beginning of the game. Something they knew about and had plenty of reports on. Something they repeatedly addressed, and it was only recently that they actually fixed it. That's way too long from them knowing to them fixing it. And to be honest, the turn around time for Arrowhead being notified of an issue to them actually fixing it when it's not a game crashing bug is mind bogglingly slow. Example, DOT was a host privilege and they interpreted it as fire weapons are "too weak" and that's why no one is using them. 3 attempts at "fixing" what they assumed was the problem and they finally acknowledged that DOT was a host privilege and that needed to be fixed. Meanwhile fire damage and DOT was still out of control with fire tornadoes and flame hulks burning through reinforcements with 1 hit kills. It took about another 2-3 "fixes" before they completely screwed over fire with the other update right before the fire warbond. They're slow to acknowledge the actual problem, slow to respond, and slow to actually fix the issue. That's just the fact of the matter. If they were testing both factions evenly, they'd see the issues plain as day, but they are always announcing that changes are happening according to an "against chargers" meter. They need to clarify on their known issues board of what they know and are working on and what they have heard, but have yet to accumulate enough evidence to test with. Like I can report that while playing the game, my computer ends up crashing. I already know it's not an issue with the game, but with my pc overheating. If they put that down on the known issues list, it'd confuse everyone into thinking that there's a bug with the game that would overheat all machines being used to play HD2. Just a bit more clarity would help us and them.

[@chazleyweber2689]

I think that the "launcher" on top of the new mech is a Lazer for guided missiles. Just my guess though.

[@jammerzskip]

11:35 the reason the 500kg does not kill the turret or even 1 shot tanks in general. is because the 500kg does NOT do 2100 damage. which is the HP for the cannon turret and anhilator tanks turret. the explosion is only level 6 armor pen with 1500 damage. tho the projectile of the bomb impacting is level 7 armor pen with 2000 damage so... it is weird the more you look at it.

[@LibertyDiver]

I was thinking maybe they will be giving us that review bomb cape on liberty day. I remember them saying they were holding onto the cape to release it a more important or fitting time. Also I feel like they should make an adjustment to the amount of fall damage you take when jumping off structures or just in general. I shouldn’t take less damage when diving head first off a rock than sliding off and landing on my feet.

[@LeroyOfHick]

I agree that ragdolling is in a better spot, but last night I was ragdolled for like 5 seconds because of a slight hill I kept rolling and then the slow get up prevented me from taking a stim for the longest time. That's why I voted it's a bit too much, if only motivational shocks worked the way we would like it too lol

[@kylesinkovich8332]

I have over 900 hours put into Helldivers 2 and Have seen the bots shoot through walls before, although Very Rarely. I've only seen it a very small handful of times. So when they devs play the game I'm not surprised they wouldn't run into this bug.

[@MimeswithRhymes]

I’m more upset over my dear Eagle Rocket Pods no longer one-shotting heavies since I purchased the +1 bomb hanger upgrade.

[@Errormanden]

Ragdolling wouldn't be a problem if it worked correctly in the first place. How many times have any you had this happen: You get shot in the front and instead of flying backwards like you'd expect. You fly forwards in a defencless ragdolled state towards the enemy that just shot you? Or vice versa, you get short in the back but instead flying forwards, you now fly backwards in a similar manner? The way the ragdoll physics work in the game currently, when you get shot, goes against Newton's third law of motion! It actually works backwards! This creates this very annoying and unrealistic "lassoing" effect when we get shot. It causes frustrations because I think we all know deep down that this is not the intended behavior. And it's causing a lot of undeserved deaths, had we not been flung in the wrong direction. I also think I have a solution to this problem. Picture this "rocket = )==>" "Player = P" "Explosion = ¤". How the dev wants it to work: )==> ¤ P The way the collision works currently works: )==> P ¤ The explosion or ragdolling force, somehow goes through the player and sends us in the wrong direction. A way to fix this is by moving the explosion/force to the back of the projectile like so: ¤ )==> P This way the "force" will always be on the right side, with no risk of it phasing through the player, causing this issue.

[@jimmythornseed8605]

Don't know how they can say the wallshooting bots don't exist. It's been known about forever. The ragdolls however aren't that bad, but it's really really frustrating when a strider rocket throws you out of cover like cover doesn't matter. The concussive force should not go through solid objects.

[@Flakjacket96]

They didn't say that. She said that she has never received footage (a common thing to ask for when reporting a bug.) of the the glitch happening.

[@charizardx7201]

I just want them to have a birthday damage back where it was and leave the headshot damage alone where it is now oh and actually make the dodging actually functional