Helldivers 2 - "The Games Too Easy" 😬 Twinbeard Responds

[@thiccfila]

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[@raccoonmanthing]

Nah

[@Kopa_Malphas]

@@raccoonmanthing Your comment translates to "Now" did you?

[@LrdBxRck]

Where do we go to post opinions to the devs?

[@happyrogue5790]

You gotta check out the cluster rocket shadow buff the bomblets apparently have the same damage ID as the frag grenades so when they went from 250 to 500 so did the bomblets. Someone did the math and we are looking at over 10000 damage off one rocket

[@LrdBxRck]

@@happyrogue5790 they should give us a toggle so it doesn't cluster and just do a ap3 big boom

[@raeldri5867]

The fact that in this week i have used over 20 dif primaries instead of the past that i only used 4 is evidence of how much the game has improved

[@DiplomattINC]

1000%

[@imsweetthanks7677]

🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@ryanchong9965]

This right here. I remember when I only ever used the Liberator, Sickle and Scorcher for bots before the 60-day. Now, I've branched to the Crossbow, Penetrator, Scythe, Purifier, and Knight. Three primaries turned into ten. I still mostly use the Torcher on bugs, but that's because I'm a Salamander at heart. Edit: Can we also take the time to say that the Liberator Concussive finally has a niche? It got a mag change and it's entire placement on tierlists has shot up because of it.

[@jager477]

I have such a bad time just DECIDING which gun to choose and that is absolutely incredible!

[@skavenslave]

gigabased

[@garophelaus]

A game made for the top 0.1% is basically a game for no-one.

[@Mr_Bo6r]

I'll let you in on a secret, but the game has 10 difficulty levels.

[@garophelaus]

@@Mr_Bo6r It does indeed have 10 options of difficulty to pick from. I wasn't saying anything about the game being too hard or too easy, just that the devs can't only cater to the top players because then they'll lose the majority. Imo they should add challenge missions which spawn in addition to the normal set of missions per difficulty. Also, the game doesn't have 10 meaningful difficulty options. The difficulty scaling for difficulty level and team size could be a lot better. It might be better to have fewer difficulty options which are more distinct and add different ways to manage difficulty (e.g. challenge missions and giving some intel on enemy types in mission preparation). Knowledge of the enemy types would make the game a bit easier but it could easily be offset by increasing spawns or by throwing a few unexpected enemy types in patrols or reinforcements occasionally as a surprise (maybe as a modifier). A challenge mission could have exclusive modifiers, for example one modifier could make patrols WAY bigger, another one could add WAY more static spawns. There are a lot of choices for the special modifiers. It's easy to make a game hard, it's really hard to make a game challenging but fun.

[@Daedalia-q9b]

The problem seems more to be, that small percent used to have a decent hard mode to play. Now that’s gone. There’s no reason why all can’t be catered to, but it’s early days and it’s good to see the game moving forward.

[@Wip3ou7]

@Daedalia-q9b steps man. They can always add new difficulty levels and enemies and missions. if the guns don't feel good no one will want to play any of that.

[@Daedalia-q9b]

@@Wip3ou7 guns are much better now, didn’t say they weren’t, that’s the good they’ve done, brought them all pretty much in line. The game already has 10 levels of difficulty, more than enough.

[@exiledexilus9888]

This isn't arma or tarkov, this is helldivers and right now its the most fun its ever been

[@CrazyMage211]

Yes! Exactly

[@Veslelia_cw]

Real

[@gpheonix1]

Personally, I think the more milsim aspects there are is a good thing. I think it is good they're putting more milsim aspects into the game (no ammo pools, realistic expectations of physics, the way enemies take localized damage, etc.) Realistic expectations do not have to come into conflict with the gameplay mechanics you are talking about.

[@jesspeed]

The name says HELLdivers yet we’re no longer diving into Hell. If level 30s with barely any game knowledge are jumping into Super Helldive difficulty and are successfully completing every single missions in the game, including side mission, then you know FOR A FACT that you’ve butchered the difficulty. First time I played a bug mission after the bug buff, I got so bored to death that I moved to the bot side. They’ve buffed all those weapons but failed to buff the difficulty for level 10 to accomodate for that. Is it fun when a huge majority of a game session is filled with barely any enemies on the screen? How about during extractions? Now when I extract, there’s no enemies pushing us so I’m just waiting for 3 minutes just watching KZbin on my phone while waiting for the pelican. Is 3 mins of doing nothing fun to you? I’m fine with where the bots are atm because individual bots feel like a threat but the bugs are so piss easy that I barely play them. They’ve gained back the casual players but they’ve lost the power players specially for the bugs. Arrowhead can take their time but they better either increase the amount of enemies on the screen specially bringing back titans to 5+ at once or add a new difficulty for power hardcore players like myself with over 900+ hours.

[@danielcolby7920]

Definitely just speaking for yourself. The game is braindead easy. Which makes it absolutely no challenge for any decent player. But even the lowest level players are stomping the highest difficulty now. The game is bad in another direction now. There should be a balance.

[@IAmNumber4000]

Was the game ever HARD though? Like were people consistently ever failing to complete level 9 missions? The game is less frustrating, and that’s good.

[@NoNo-xh7ru]

I think people are self reporting when they talk about the game being difficult before. Most players on diff 10 have been cruising for months.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

Tbh the only thing that made the game feel impossible was how the guns felt trash, that's not really a good difficulty hike@@NoNo-xh7ru

[@mr_wicked8567]

Exactly. The actual objectives are not difficult at all. Now we have more than one way to do so. Loving it. As you said, way less frustrating. Difficulty will keep you plugging away. Frustration will have you quit mid mission and go play something else.

[@maiy8786]

@@NoNo-xh7ru It's not about difficulty, it's about not wanting an otherwise cool game to be frustrating. I had no issues completing 10s, even solo. But it sure as hell wasn't as much fun as it is now.

[@Iseladore]

Maybe it's mid-tier bias but as a 6-7 player, I struggle to get higher - as soon as you start pushing for 8, our teams get bogged down and overwhelmed, and have absolutely no trigger discipline. Recognizing a difficulty spike, I put it back on 6-7 just to have a good time. But maybe it's because me or those rando's don't know how to actually deal with the spike and change up the pattern we've built up from having underpowered guns and needing to play on 6-7 for smoothness. 6-7 feels like a sweet spot for me, but I also think it's time for me to try 8 again. You know, casual-like. P.S. I also didn't know about limbs having separate health pools or how durability worked until like, yesterday, so, you know, casual player who doesn't inhale the wiki like fkn Helldiver Kirby. 6-7 is fine, we're having a good time.

[@dartcolors1073]

Yeah I just came from a match where like 10 dropships dropped 4 hulks, 2 factory striders, 5 tanks, and an ass load of rocket striders and lagged my ass to death. Game is honestly the best it's been since launch, these people are crazy

[@thiccfila]

Yeah look at space marine 2 listening to the "game too easy" crowd.

[@Nartanek]

They should just introduce some kind of modifier you can activate or not. Like enemies +50% hp, or all enemy armor +1 level something like that. It would be very easy to please both crowds, but the casual fun loving gamers need to be first, they are the vast majority.

[@stephenroig6159]

Dam that’s easy compared to what happened to me 😂 I love how it is right now

[@unisect9106]

All that is easily wipeable with literally couple of airstrikes, a senator, and 5 RR shots. I had a game like that too and I took down the striders before they even rendered their animations right when dropped on the ground. If Diff10 can be free flown with just one guy, obviously 3 more is just too easy.

[@gpheonix1]

The defense missions for this mo are unusually tougher as this is a more unique mo. I believe that is the intention, so I wouldn't take spawn behavior we see here as the standard. As I've heard we're not meant to win either and just kill as many bots as we can to slowly grind them down in the coming mo's.

[@SchizoidPsycho]

"Game too easy" mfs watching me get ragdolled for 3 seconds then get my stim interrupted twice in a row and killed off with a factory strider dropping on top of me as soon as the mission starts

[@gatheroad]

but you have 19+ more lives (which replenish), the game isnt "easy" but it is insanely forgiving

[@henrystickman4349]

@@gatheroad Is that a bad thing?

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@gatheroadconsider the situation of the game and how you're not meant to live through the mission, the game isn't forgiving it's just a mechanic

[@ReedSolutions]

Joel : No 🗿

[@shotgun_daddy-1089]

@@gatheroadto be fair u have 3 other teammates and most of the time they eat up those 19+ lives

[@Kopa_Malphas]

"How dare...something like 70 .50 caliber rounds pumped into a Bile Titan head be able to kill it....You know...with literally 7.5 pounds of lead dumped into it's skull xD LMAO

[@SuperCatacata]

Doesn't it take like 40-50 shots to kill a bile titan too? That's almost more ammo than you can carry for the senator. It's something that you aren't going to use unless all other options aren't available. These people see tiktoks showing the final hit on a Bile Titan with a senator and assume it's as strong as the railgun.

[@Bakemer94]

When realistically 3 or 4 would be enough to take down a bile titan if they existed. Sci-fi bug armor isn't indestructible, so using real-world examples of armor and penetration makes sense. If a simple revolver can put a chest sized hole in 2 walls and then go through a pickup truck, then 3-4 of those shots should be able to obliterate the head of anything alive, sci-fi or otherwise.

[@PhillyThug]

More like .500, which is even heavier than a Desert Eagle's .50! Looking at videos online, it penetrates pistol caliber armor and still applies massive trauma damage behind armor that it can't penetrate(doesn't bounce off like the game mechanic). And this is even without considering being 200 years into the future with improved tech. Even today, that bullet could probably be modified to be AP.

[@thant0s]

Yeah, like.. half the cinematic thing of not being able to take down big things with smaller guns is shot placement; if you're absolutely crushing their supposedly vulnerable faceplate with rounds containing enough energy to puncture through steel plates, metal doors, kevlar and riot shields, you would think *eventually* it's going to turn whatever vital biological systems are in their cranium keeping the thing functional into goulash. Certain Primaries and most Support weapons still handle this infinitely better, I fail to see the issue. Senator's woefully lacking on chaff clear unlike the vast majority of its peers. If anything, I'd wager the new chad Verdict would be getting more criticism, you basically can use that thing as a primary against any map and have the reserves to make it work between ammo scavenging.

[@unisect9106]

The senator isn't the only thing shooting at a titan. Those things should not go down by having a pistol piercing heavy armor. They have weakn points that open for a reason. Senator can be strong and kill a titan if they shoot the flex. Not just pierce the armor because you're too lazy shoot exposed flesh at the belly or sides. Game doesn't support strategy at all. its just run and gun.

[@BlossyVish]

I think what a lot of people fail to realize about the senator being too OP is it's time to kill. On a 4, yea it can roll the whole map, but on a 10, with 5 hulks, 3 tanks, 2 factory striders, and 40+ adds, time to kill is the deciding factor on weapons. If you don't put them down fast, you get stuck in a bot drop/patrol loop. The senator is very good at oshit moments, but it ends there. If my teammate is using a senator to kill a factory strider, my senator will Dirty Harry them in the back of their head. The ap4 will help penetrate the thickness of his skull. Anyone saying it's too OP does not consistently play higher difficulties.

[@stephenpuisis632]

I did that 🤣 Got yeeted onto the top of a factory striders back from it's cannon recoil. saw it's split skull armor.... looked at my senator, as that was the last ammo I had, and just started blasting the exposed bits. Like 16 or so shots later and it died 👀👀🤣

[@BlossyVish]

@@stephenpuisis632 I classify that as an oshit moment.

[@noblewolf8232]

Fr fr

[@Notjack2180]

Literally who is gonna take the time and ammo to kill a BT with the senator, how would that even be seen as OP

[@spectralassassin6030]

Challenge people and those backed into a corner.

[@oshadow8325]

I would just to do it. Like it's possible now, so why not? Like how the arc thrower post buff can kill two hulks. I juggled firing at two, and stun locked both until I killed both.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@oshadow8325that's why I'm annoyed at people complaining, why shouldn't I have a secondary that's powerful? Why would I join a military with 💩 weapons

[@oshadow8325]

@@samuraitadpole5459 I mean the way I see it, if you don't like a gun, you can simply opt to just, avoid using it. Like if you don't enjoy Senators armor piercing can't you just.. not fire at the bile titan? Besides, I have a feeling of your relying on your secondary against a BT, a hulk, or any other high threat enemy you're likely not long for this world anyways.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

@@oshadow8325 you'd think that's basic instinct but some people would rather everyone suffer just so they can use what they like

[@ghoulbuster1]

Playing the recent "Jetpack bots" missions and I can assure you, the game isn't easy.

[@r.k845]

It’s still easy

[@KaiserinErikaSchmidt]

debuff everything, everyone mad buff everything, small few people mad I think its obvious what path they need to take

[@Bakemer94]

The playercount is evidence enough. When they nerfed everything, it got as low as 7k players. Now we consistently get 60k on weekends.

[@ThijsSH]

Came back because of the patches, having loads of fun again

[@sanguinius01z]

@@Bakemer94 making the game a borderline mil sim where you run around with nerf guns and useless stratagems just to appease the whining minority would be the worst possible decision they could make.

[@SergeantGadriel]

I think the elites minority just hates buff because they think they represents the whole playerbase

[@hyperx72]

​@@SergeantGadriel "But now difficulty 10 is too easy, everything is too reliable now! I liked it better when I only had like 2 or 3 good options! Something something dark souls something something doom eternal fun zone"

[@Shawshuu]

Should we mininuke the armory chat? Like for yes Comment for no

[@gabeperras3711]

I really want to know how often these people used a sidearm that wasn't the grenade pistol before the patch

[@thiccfila]

TRUUUUE

[@dylaneagen880]

I've always been a dagger enjoyer.

[@williamwhitehouse8741]

I have used the senator since I bought the game lol

[@Snake-d6i]

senator was pretty much always my go to, as soon as i got the game and bought the super citizen dlc it was the first secondary i picked and used all the time

[@The1337guy1]

I used every secondary before this. Even the peacemaker and dagger had a place depending on what I was using.

[@hobojoe9717]

3:38 Good lord, these people must be actual children. They don’t even seem to know what it’s like to have a real job.

[@Mr_Bo6r]

for those of you with real jobs, there's a difficulty level 5.

[@roshawn1111]

​@@Mr_Bo6roh look another basement dweller lmfao dude the game is fine, the player count shows they are going in the right direction.

[@Mr_Bo6r]

@@roshawn1111 Oh look, another “it's so hard for me, but I can't lower the difficulty or I'll get laughed at”. Genshin has 60+ million players, seems like a great game and judging by your metric is head and shoulders above the Helldivers and they are moving in an even better direction, well or is crowd size not an indicator of quality?

[@literally_sillyy]

senator AP4 is based and shouldn't be reverted.

[@leonsixt2744]

I’d like even more to have this. Maybe the Eruptor. It doesn’t make the game easy it makes it more fun and less miserable.

[@poobutt2]

@@leonsixt2744yo ngl AP4 eruptor would cook so hard. Purifier has sort of become the new icen breaker (in terms of usage) on the bot front. I played a handful of games and pretty much everyone brought it (I think I saw maybe one or two people with the e-crossie and diligence CS). Not that I’m complaining, hard purifier Andy lol.

[@emeraldturtle5523]

​​@leonsixt2744 I think eruptor would be the perfect candidate for an AP 4 primary, either that or the dominator but preferably only 1 of them gets it

[@Danthepanman1]

Ap4 is fine but ap5 is too far

[@emeraldturtle5523]

@Danthepanman1 well yeah, AP 5 is literally exclusive to anti tank weapons so unless we get something like a PTR-40 with no internal mag and a cumbersome load time, which IS something I would be completely in agreement with, then no way should anything but my thermites be able to pen a tank

[@oceandark3044]

See, there's a problem with the anti-AP4 Senator sentiment. There's a contingent who look at the numbers, see what's theoretically possible, and complain about it. In fact, there's a whole wing of the game that is wrapped up entirely in how weapons handle theoretically. Theoretically, yes, guns might seem very overpowered. However, that's not really how it works. Nothing is perfect like that. My favorite example is the recent Railgun buff. The Discord was rife, in Armory and Genchat, with people taking the numbers for the Railgun and coming up with the Railgun basically one- or two-tapping Bile Titans and that everyone was just going to take a Railgun to everything. Then, it all dropped, and suddenly it turns out that actually squaring up with a Bile Titan and hitting the Railgun at its theoretical maximum charge and hitting the Titan in the most vulnerable area without any of the many other numerous things killing you wasn't a 100% sure thing. So it turns out, in the practical game, it's perfectly balanced. And, practically speaking, the Senator is NOT the easiest gun to handle. Even nonwithstanding the low capacity and fire rate, the gun kicks hard and has a lot of spread. It's not a rifle. It theoretically CAN kill a Charger or a Bile Titan with enough perfectly placed shots, but in practice? You wouldn't do that unless you're completely out of options. And in that case, having just the OPTION helps, because without it, you can't do anything. In the end, I tend to favor even smaller caliber weapons than normal, even down to the standard Peacemaker. This is because I don't need a pistol for a Bile Titan, I need it for when my HMG or AMR or whatever I'm using runs out of ammo and little things need popped. But a Senator might well be a viable option if I run a Stalwart/Crossbow combo (so I have something with punch that won't explode in my face). But the one thing the Senator isn't is a panacea, and I wouldn't take it if I have something like an HMG.

[@emilsingapurcan8054]

I absolutely second both sides to this. I love power fantasy, but even i questioned the senator change. But. I actually tried it ingame. And found that it was absolutely impractical for actually doing it to megaheavies, beyond cleanup shots. Where it really felt like it shone was against medium bots and bugs, that had heads or bodies that gave even medium ap weapons a bit of a fight. Thats PERFECT. It fulfills the fantasy. It brings the magic. This is one of those incredible moments where something that sounded bad on paper ended up feeling good on the ground, and my opinion immediately shot up. And guess what? I had my fun with it... and then went to try other stuff! I was a near-hardcore verdict main prior to this. I still enjoyed messing with the 4 normal weapons. And certainly liked the senator before. But generally i had to make myself not use the verdict. Post patch, i returned to try the dagger. I found it so much less annoying to use. It actually felt like i was able to keep on top of that small cooling coil. The verdict felt even better, but it didnt outshine other options like the starting pistol and autopistol, at least giving each a niche and fantasy. (Admittedly the starting pistol does at this point feel least like it really has anything going for it, but rather than power buffs, it deserves sidegrades like more attachment options. I want the suppressor!) And as i said, the senator felt gppd and powerful, able to pierce where it logically should, but its lower damage than most antiarmour weapons meant it was very much not intended for high uptime or dps. So how on earth is any of this bad? Clearly, i need to change my point of view and look at changes with more wish to test before i say anything. If i could see that, these peoppe should too. (Also im not nearly as loud online as most people so i didnt contribute to that discourse outside my friend group)

[@oceandark3044]

@@emilsingapurcan8054 Silence is actually a thing, I think, but it's difficult to know how it works. I do know that I can pop things with an O.G. Diligence and their neighbors sometimes don't even flinch. But I don't know how the whole "quietness" thing works because sometimes it just doesn't.

[@emilsingapurcan8054]

@@oceandark3044 it would just make it a bit more concrete and accessible, i feel... coming from someone who runs scout armour typically.

[@DocDictator]

This is the reality: *The 400k players game was fine tuned to serve 5k players and then the devs decided to change that decision and return the 5k players game to a 400k players game.* You just need to look at yourself and ask: I am a part of the 98.8% or am i a part of the 1.2%? If you are a player who is returning to this game and using all these buffed tools you despised before for letting you down during gameplay or a person learning about and unlocking the new playstyle options available to us to find your new main build, we welcome you, we never left, we kept the game alive waiting for this day so we could dive again, *and again, and again, and again...* If you are angry and disappointed by the fact that this game isnt triggering rage reactions, stealing away conquered victories due to malfunctioning scripts and forcing you into a one way lane of weapon and stratagem selection, all we have to say is that *we pray for your soul* and we hope you will find salvation one day.

[@ThePartisan13]

I haven't stopped playing the game since March

[@rustyrocket666]

This is why you don't pander to the 5%...cause the 95 will leave out right...just like gaming now

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@rustyrocket666and this isn't a game that can survive without many players

[@freeziboi3249]

​@@samuraitadpole5459literally, the entire war system depends on high player counts

[@samuraitadpole5459]

@@freeziboi3249 I'm still mad Sony is being greedy and won't revert the PSN rule to release reserves

[@tripleaa7371]

Haven’t had this much fun since release. If they revert the 60 plan, I’ll just quit playing again.

[@PhantasmalBlast]

I don’t think that’s on the table. The response has been overwhelmingly positive

[@qxvzh]

They gotta stop interacting with armory chat its just an echo chamber

[@Botar48]

Worst place in entire official discord

[@ThePlazmapower]

They don't represent the player base at all

[@azraelbokor247]

The Senator and the Verdict now being heavy and medium ap makes them far mor viable sidearms. Idk about others but before the patch i used three sidearms. The grenade pistol. The bushwacker, and the auto pistol. But even then i was mostly only using one. The gp. It closes factories, bug holes, is a quick source of cc, can finish of heavy enemies in a pinch. If u like stun, gas, or smoke grenades, or knives and dont use explosive primaries or support weapons, it's basically a must in order to take out holes. Making the two harder hitting sidearms hit harder actually successfully makes them a better choice to go in ur loadout. More choices that are viable instead of just memes or cool is far better for the game. I enjoy using gas grenades, its a gimmick sure but its a fun and fairly effective one. Now i gotta choose do i go with a Senator to help deal with big boys, or the gp to be my multitool?

[@dusk2308]

yea and i also used the lazor pistol on bots where it's not bad (not great tho) if you aim for the head.

[@SmugTradingWolf]

It doesnt matter what they do there will always be people complaining

[@jimman-beard2167]

Sad but true Hopefully AH Knows these complainers are toxic death to the game and avoid listening to them.

[@The1337guy1]

​@@jimman-beard2167unlike the people who sent death threats to the devs and review bombed the game because of a few nerfs. We listen to those people because there's a lot of them. Good to know what kind of people support this.

[@anom2619]

you guys are literally the ones that endlessly whined the game was “too hard” to receive these buffs in the first place lmao

[@SergeantThug]

Eh. No one really cares what 5% of the playerbase thinks anyway

[@darthrevan454]

@@anom2619 womp womp, the game is better now cry harder clown

[@RemittentDig17]

If those people are complaining that the game is too easy, I bet they using the meta builds and sweating the whole game I don’t wanna sweat, I wanna have fun

[@Nycoorias]

Great selve report there body!

[@Mr_Bo6r]

_"I don’t wanna sweat, I wanna have fun"_ Yes yes, it's a shame that those who don't want to sweat and want fun don't know that there are other difficulty levels besides 10 and instead demand to simplify the game.

[@Mr_Bo6r]

@@JFK47x they will gladly in their hearts wish you and your cohesive team out of the game, but they won't lower the difficulty level, because they need to have fun with random players

[@r.k845]

“I don’t want to sweat, I want to have fun” Then why didn’t you play diff 6 or 7 you low IQ monkey? Jesus fuck all of you are so fucking dumb it’s astonishing.

[@Azf12]

The Senator having Heavy armor pen is more a meme than anything, sure you can kill a Bile Titan with it alone, but it takes a LOT of rounds before it actually goes down, it's basically just a way to quickly finish it off or spam if you get backed into a corner. I think these same people seem to forget that the recoilless and spear can outright kill it in one shot.

[@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething]

It’s super good for hulks bot side 2-3 shots to the eye and it’s done.

[@julian2238]

Heavy armor pen is OD. I never call for nerfs but there are PRIMARY and maybe some support weapons that should have been gotten heavy pen before a pistol 🤦‍♂️ it’s fun to use tho I’ll give it that

[@Veslelia_cw]

These people swear it's like this op game breaking weapon to kill heavies like it's the heavy meta weapon when it's not lmfao.

[@thant0s]

@@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething Absolutely this, the Bile Titan crap is entirely a red herring, the real new power of Senator, if one is being sensationalist about it, is Hulks. It's not some map-conquering doom gun, but if you have the steady aim to be consistent, you just freed up so much of your kit being able to to address Hulks with a bloody Secondary.

[@TsunamiWombat]

@@julian2238 yeah but it has 6 shots, round reload (unless you empty the cylinder) and your ADS is a nubbin.

[@trainman222y78]

I think team cohesion is a good litmus test for difficulty, whether that's brought about by weapons being weak r there just being an overwhelming amount of threats that being caught solo without a jetpack is very risky. Bots seem to have it down - and while RR is king right now, the rocket striders and jump troopers are really making it hard to be a RR user. It makes you want to stick to someone who is going to eat them for lunch. Bugs, on the otherhand, seems like it's 4 oneman teams the whole mission.

[@swordsman1_messer]

I legit want to know what difficulty these people actually play on, because I’d like to actually watch them go and play on a full random quick play and prove how easy it is without abusing aggro mechanics.

[@Foxador]

If you ask them it's *always* diff 10 either in a group or solo. I honestly think the game still needs some tweaks and isn't easy at all, especially with how squishy players are currently

[@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething]

They either play D10 and die 10+ times per mission or play D5 or around that difficulty. D10 if you’re competent then I guess it could be “ez” but if you were easily completing D9-D10 even during the nerfdivers era then you’re just the cracked 1%.

[@protonjones54]

they're glizzy gliders 100%

[@NicholasPitti]

Full random quick play isn't hard(I'm not advocating for any nerfs btw) as long as you don't bring a full troll loadout. And don't expect it to be salveagle if all the reinforcements are already gone & none of the objectives are done.

[@MaXiMuS-u9k]

Bugs are too easy compared to bots, just compare their defense missions alone and its obvious.

[@Faceball12]

Did some of the defense missions on matra bay diff 8 and it was hard cuz the heavy enemies spawns were crazy, and yet it wasn’t too frustrating cuz we able to actually fight back instead of having to run away constantly

[@dusk2308]

yea bots 8 is real

[@Cinnabutteredcheeks]

The game is in a good spot in my opinion. You only succeed in higher difficulty if your squad has the appropriate tools. Also, if you are a lvl 100+ player you should be complete operations somewhat easily because of your knowledge of the game and appropriate tools to bring. Also, it’s not like any of the weapons kill everything fast enough to be stupid and still wipe the map.

[@knightmare1267]

I can drop into a diff. 10 mission and complete every objective with the average random team. I'm cool with buffing the players tools, but atleast add a higher difficulty or tune the existing ones to be more difficult. No challenge = no fun.

[@n4n196]

​@@knightmare1267 I agree. More difficulty. But not at the cost of player power. Diff 11 automatons will have the commisar devastators.

[@Cinnabutteredcheeks]

@@knightmare1267bro idk who you are but lvl. 10 is hard. Me and a friend lost all our reinforcements within the first 15 minutes of a lvl. 10 mission last night. The objectives aren’t hard but the enemies aren’t easy

[@Cinnabutteredcheeks]

@@knightmare1267also, if you aren’t winning missions then we aren’t liberating planets. You probably need to win 100 missions to move the liberation on a planet 0.5%.

[@knightmare1267]

@Cinnabutteredcheeks well yeah, if it's just a duo then the game will be very difficult. Also if you take really bad gear, or stuff not suited to the mission it will be much harder.

[@BigVorst]

This update brought me back from quitting the game and pretty much forgetting it even existed, after having no-lifed it before all of the nerfs. If that doesn't say what good the buffs did for the game, I don't know what does.

[@vividwizard6166]

Bruh if Senator didn't get Heavy armor pen it would be useless considering the other buffs to secondary's. Verdict is now the mid pen secondary, and if Senator was not put to heavy then it would just be a straight up worse gun than the Verdict. Each secondary has its own purpose now and I don't know why some people don't get it. Redeemer is for effectively and swiftly killing small targets. Verdict is to cover mid pen if your primary doesn't, allowing versatility in your primary rather than running dominator every game. Senator is for heavy which can be useful for killing primarily hulks, but also covering all the other options, just with lower ammo so its not as good for the other things as the other 2.

[@truly-oni3945]

The verdict originally disappointed me, but now it's SO good

[@Nycoorias]

Senator was already one if the best bit secondaries, what are you talkin5 about?

[@vividwizard6166]

@@Nycoorias Read the comment before replying, it has the explanation that I refuse to tell you if you can't find it in my original comment.

[@Laughablefreak321]

Senator is also a decent option for scout striders.

[@vividwizard6166]

@@Laughablefreak321 Yeah its a pretty good bot weapon, unfortunately I don't see it being useful on the terminid side but redeemer and verdict are good enough to cover that.

[@Nycoorias]

"How dare people not have MY specific definition if fun!"

[@MirandaDetailing]

HAHAHA. I play on difficulty 7-10 mostly and with a good crew of level 100+ guys and gals. Its still pretty difficult at those levels on certain missions. its not EASY at all! The devs should pay attention to the majority of the gamers and not the few people talking nonsense.

[@thiccfila]

I just wanted to remind them of that :), the later patches have been phenomenal.

[@TheReapersSon]

Absolutely. In fact, I think level 7 is my favorite sweet spot for difficulty. And you still have the RNG aspect of missions... some can go flawlessly; others on the same difficulty and the same planet can wreck your day and eat your reinforcements in no time.

[@MirandaDetailing]

@@thiccfila Exactly! I love that gamers like yourself on KZbin keep it real. The game is SO much better now and it still has a great level of difficulty to make it challenging for 95% of the player base.

[@MirandaDetailing]

@@TheReapersSon Agreed! I see tons of players I used to play with before the buffs and they are coming back now! I actually have a hard time finding groups of 4 with them because everyone is grouped up playing! LOL

[@Degarth]

It is easy with experienced players. I have had some cake walk 10s not gonna lie.....BUT I and most people play with randos and rando games maybe 1 in 20 games is what I would call easy. If I only played with 3 steady friends with good team tactics and communication, I'm sure it would get dull. But, the vast majority of people can't play that way and instead pop in to play with randoms or a friend or two and still need to call in others.

[@stuv1996]

If they nerf the Senator I'm gonna be so pissed. Just let me have fun.

[@KerriganTyranid]

If they do that, I will quit playing the game for real. 820+ hours. This game never have being so fun like now, if AH nerfs again, i'm freaking done.

[@94mikless]

You need 30 shots of senator to kill a titan, what are we talking about? 😂😂😂

[@Veslelia_cw]

That's "op" to the hellnerfers

[@5mowFa11]

They just want the Bile Titans to be killed only with 500KG.

[@KerriganTyranid]

These retarded players have no idea of what they are saying. They are the "complain without a logical reason" type just to be the opposite of the majority of players that are having fun.

[@Kolya-687]

​@@Veslelia_cw that's definitely a good tag for those type of people.

[@howardxu8050]

@@Veslelia_cwnah they are just illuminate symphaiers

[@Porkleaker]

Love the changes and like you said, the senator doesn't have the best accuracy, rounds and a slow reload, this is a welcome change. I do also love the idea of that Stratagem Factory Strider! And the game is just more fun now, for the majority of people. Certain people on Discord or say the Helldivers2 reddit (not the Helldivers) one are always the most negative and seems like they're just there to complain and barely even play the game.

[@SoraTheKobold]

these are the same people who's "ideal game" had as low as 5k players, anyone who looks at this game even from an outside view can see that these last two patches have put life back into this game i still need maybe one more good patch before im fully for trusting Arrowhead (nerf PTSD does that to me lol) but, they clearly are taking the game in the right and frankly BEST direction its been heading in a while also hi thicc hi hiiiii :3

[@thiccfila]

Literally whatever dev that made the senator change was COOKING. They said to themselves instead of the most "balanced", lets make something cool. This is what we want and theres so many better ways to do difficulty.

[@mcwolves71]

We had as low as 11k on the other day 😬

[@SoraTheKobold]

@@thiccfila honestly i prefer the balance philosophy of just shoving more enemies at you, Darktide has health increases to enemies and a few changes to player health but it isnt so devastating that it makes higher diffs hard what makes them harder is the enemies spawning more groups of elites and specials, and honestly its just so much more fun than how a game like SM2 does it with frankly...making the game a slog at higher diffs

[@TheReapersSon]

@@thiccfila remember all the memes on Reddit where people lampooned the Senator and asked for the Governor, President, etc. and now when they get what they wanted, they still manage to complain? Good times... 🤨🫠

[@henrystickman4349]

@@mcwolves71 11k on a Thursday? Damn. That's still higher than what nerfdivers would get on a Saturday.

[@berserkerpride]

The idea that a six round revolver is breaking the game but not the orbital napalm barrage nuking entire bases and multiple bug breaches is hilarious.

[@herosupport1606]

yeah how dare they get 45k average players back bringing it back from the point of shutting it down.

[@anom2619]

me when i make things up

[@ghoulbuster1]

Before the buffs: 5k players and dropping After the buffs 60k players and rising The people have spoken, democracy chose BUFFS!

[@crackhead3511]

​@@anom2619we had 70k players online today

[@kurtisdeakin]

*looks at steam numbers* you when you cope?

[@herosupport1606]

@@kurtisdeakin who is coping? its not me. there was over 60k players playing yesterday when I logged off. before buffs it was under 5k and over 10k.

[@kolbynope3911]

I've been using purifier and stalwart with the jet pack and light armor against bugs. The idea is high mobility and armor pen diversity to keep adds off of tms, moving between players rather than just holding a single position. Gas grenades help out alot with crowd control and ambushes. I use strafing run and rocket sentry to deal with heavies. Rocket sentry is usually placed near the anti tank members to help kill heavy units while I focus on killing everything else. Not alot of people know that the Strafung run can now consistently kill impalers and shredder tanks, take out fabricators, and sometimes completely disable a factory strider by taking out all 3 turrets with 1-2 call-ins (works amazingly with more tms focusing the same target)

[@mcwolves71]

I think the real issue people are having isnt that guns are currently too strong, but rather they are much much more versatile, which makes your choice of weapon less consequential.

[@5mowFa11]

Man, I hated that period. 500KG a must for heavies or gg just run around with them chasing you while also waiting for it yo cool off

[@spectralassassin6030]

Which is great! I want to use what I feel is fun. Not some stupid meta.

[@zappli45]

To that i say, a game is most fun when everything is viable. Why should a player's choice of equipment have consequenses. If that were still a thing then players will gravitate to the equipment that have lesser consequense there for solidifying a toxic meta to a point you aren't allowed to use your favorite weapon because the game said so. In a game like helldivers where you have vast and varied arsenal, it should not be reduced to only a few good weapons and stratagems that only most hardcore of hardcores approve of. I like to see my team bring different weapons, and see them excel with their chosen equipment.

[@kurtisdeakin]

And that's.... bad?

[@zappli45]

@@kurtisdeakin no its not.

[@lukedri_i]

if there's any primary currently in the game that should get the senator treatment, I think it's the eruptor. with the way things are now, it's just getting overshadowed by the crossbow. giving it ap4 and perhaps some more direct hit damage would make it once again the most synergistic option to pair with machine guns and other primary-like support weapons. basically a slower-firing autocannon for the primary slot, with shrapnel to damage the enemies surrounding your target.

[@sunnychiu3872]

Yeah I agree with this. Right now it’s basically an inferior crossbow.

[@GloriousSwordHorse]

There was a suggestion for AP4 alt ammo. Switch between AP or Flak just like Auto cannon.

[@lukedri_i]

@@GloriousSwordHorse that sounds quite nice. I had a feeling that having both heavy armor penetration and shrapnel in the same shot doesn't really make sense, this works out pretty well.

[@darthvaper4776]

4:02 what flood gates the flood gates of fun

[@Wip3ou7]

When the majority of people vote that the Senator is balanced, and the number of people who voted for "Yes, it needs to be nerfed" and "No, it needs to be buffed" are not only in the vast minority but are also split evenly, the answer is that ITS FINE.

[@Kopa_Malphas]

Cant wait to see people drop the hate in the comments before they even watch the video! >=)

[@supersavagegodgaming6888]

The jammer factory strider would be a nightmare, and instead of normal devastators, it should spawn heavy ones now you have this, and the normal one roaming around would be challenging.

[@therealsosi8204]

Hi, new sub here, I am level 121, I got really used to difficulty 9 and 10 pre buffs, and I can tell you that previously, the game felt great, but sadly loadouts were limited *I play on PC* super helldive now is great still, you have a lot more choices, and a lot more variety which to me is amazing since I can try out different things, which previously were unreliable, as well as awful. I used to complete a lot of runs with between 0 to 3 deaths most of the times pre patch, now it remains the same to be honest, but the deaths are more random. It really depends on the map spawn and how you approach it. Great content, keep it up.

[@apersonthatis7007]

Don’t nerf the guns, helldivers has actually been fun to play recently. Add harder enemies, add puzzle mechanics to objectives, make the game harder, not unfun by needing everything again

[@jeralmyfigueroa9905]

These clowns are gonna ruin the game again, if the game is too easy just drop without stratagems and let the other 98% of players just enjoy a video game.

[@kurtisdeakin]

They CAN'T! They NEED to be validated by a videogame and feel special cos mummy didn't breastfeed them and this is the one thing they're kinda good at; exploiting game mechanics and typing complaints in forums lol

[@stephenpuisis632]

Actually I can see that as a difficulty. No stratagems aside from resupply, hellbomb, mission objective stratagems and the like. Or give a locked stratagem loadout for the operation. Makes the primary, secondary and grenade actually matter.

[@manray005]

Bruh I have been BURNT on this game for months. This patch finally brought me back and I actually had fun doing new things! When you've done all the missions 100x already the only variety left is loadout and we FINALLY have more than 1 worthwhile loadout. Imma be real, if they start reigning things back after such a wave of fun focused changes and success because of angy little babies, I probably won't come back.

[@epsilon1372]

The simple solution is to ramp up spawns and make objectives more dynamic at higher difficulties. Thankfully, I have a feeling that’s the direction they plan to go and I’m glad they seem to be looking at ways to make things more challenging without sabotaging the fun

[@DMazz441]

THANK YOU! I've been getting chewed out on reddit for trying to defend the HD2 buffs. My god it's the most fun a majority of players have ever had in this game, why are we mad about that? oh and I still wanna see a spore bile titan

[@Odstboi]

Spore shrieker nest

[@DMazz441]

@@Odstboi Oh shit, if Shrieker Nests had a Spore in the middle of it, and the flying fucks were mini spore clouds. Hell yeah!

[@Odstboi]

@@DMazz441 should be an idea for 8-10 or for difficulty 11 whenever that comes.

[@absoluteandrew398]

The new MO they just dropped is not easy 💀game master ramped up the bot spawns

[@thiccfila]

I can't wait to dive in that planet

[@michaelmcinally5899]

​@thiccfila yo bro have you seen we have had 30/40k divers on matar Bay all day and we are still getting trashed 😢

[@iamkablam8096]

@@michaelmcinally5899they said in the MO that we may lose some ground. I think we’re supposed to lose this planet.

[@pyrogaming521]

They literally sent T800s on a blitz

[@pyrogaming521]

@@michaelmcinally5899Martar Bay is Impossible to save but we can weaken them so we can stop them on the next invasion

[@samuelm4021]

Are any of these crybabies OG players from HD1. I bet not. I don’t remember any discourse like this back in the day

[@MrUniq]

Those continually online commentators are toxic. Just make a tougher Bile Titan variant

[@bulletkingaming2808]

LMAO, the Senator barely kills Bile Titans and Chargers. But you can still kill them with the Senator at their weakest state, which is cool.

[@magicstick9922]

I don't think the game is easier its still difficult. I play always on the highest difficulty, what i will say is the game feels less frustrating by a lot. I'll go in my team will die once or twice, but we're having a good time. I actually enjoy bugs now, they don't completely suck. It feels cool fighting of hoardes, it no longer is frustrating

[@kirillwulkitin8038]

I am normally not a betting man, but I would definitely take the wager that the people that tend to cry about buffs do not actually ever play the game on any of the higher difficulties. They tend to talk about big enemies like bile titans with such awe, like they are some sort of mission highlight for them. When the game spams like 6-8 of them on screen, not counting the sea of other, much more dangerous bugs that accompany them, you lose any sort of wow factor. The game has been a slog and still seems like its going to stay that way.

[@Wave_Boi]

I'm all for a heavy pen revolver, but it shouldn't be the Senator. The Senator is a standard revolver, not a heavy revolver. Future revolvers coming out would have to be on par or exceed the Senator for it to be appealing to the players, and with the heavy pen, that's a tall order.

[@oshadow8325]

Ehhhh, I'm not so sure. Lower caliber revolvers do exist in the world. I wouldn't mind Senator as the larger, harder hitting one as say, another could be faster. If senator did need a nerf it could just be to handling for the reasoning of making it feel heavier so we could get a snappier, maybe flashier revolver, like a New Model Army style while the senator becomes more heavy, like something capable of hypothetically ending a bile titan would be. Similar to how the HMG handles slower then the MG or Stalwart.

[@Wave_Boi]

@@oshadow8325 The gun the Senator is based on fires at most a .45 cartridge and already has heavy pen. It's not even the largest revolver we have in the real world. What if in the future AH introduces a gun similar to the .500 S&W? Sure heavy pen with more damage. But then what if AH introduces a gun similar to the Zeliska .600? It's twice as powerul as even the S&W .500. What's it gonna have to do to stand out? AP5 now or have it's damage be similar to the AC or AMR? The Senator being heavy pen is a slippery slope and introduces power creep and also compromises future revolvers. Again, I am okay with heavy pen on a sidearm, but it can't be the Senator at this stage, especially with plenty more revolvers that are much bigger that AH can introduce into the game.

[@Popsickle666]

​@@Wave_Boiwah wah wah

[@oshadow8325]

@@Wave_Boi See I actually didn't know that. I had assumed the Senator was one that sort of is based on those higher caliber revolvers. However I do still think that if they did decide to add more revolvers it'd be reasonable to just change the senators handling to fit the firepower. I just appreciate having it finally, I got the warbond the day before the update dropped.

[@Wave_Boi]

@@Popsickle666 It's sad that you're not capable of higher reasoning.

[@sarcasm-83]

I knew it... The obnoxious part of gamers who view everything that is "hard" just for the sake of hard, even by tediousness, who find nothing else important in games than their odd bragging rights and need to keep selecting every hardest difficulty and take on every bit of "challenge" and then flex, gatekeep and whine if anyone does it differently complaining about it being "too easy" and being unhappy that a game is entertaining. What a surprise. Exactly like that guy at 2:09. Can't *stand* people like that. So dramatic, so whiny, always that same condescending tone, always talking about crying and babies, any and all frustrations that could make a game harder tied directly to his ego, because he loved it specifically because - not for what the game was - but because others kept complaining about it. It made him feel so special when he kept getting through missions while others complain, thinking he's special. (Though I complained about the game either, but it wasn't because I was losing campaigns. It was because so many things simply felt annoying. Not undoable. Not CHALLENGING; Annoying.) The dev should add a difficulty level 13 for them without 11 and 12 even existing, so they feel very special) and give them only 30% of the ammo to all weapons, 75% armor reduction and damage reduction to all weapons and let them go struggle.. and if they ever.. EVER dare to utter a single word about it being too hard, find out their username and give them a "GIT GUD" cap and their character a permanent broken leg until they've played 25 successful difficulty 13 campaigns in a row successfully alone with nothing but throwing knives and stratagems, with all planetary effects in play at the same time. Oh and an achievement you can only get if you play for 72 hours straight without taking damage.

[@convergence1point]

Well, if you want a brilliant example of gutting a game to make challenge through tedium, look at Space Marine 2’s recent patch. Basically, nerfmarines, literally. Almost everyone hates it, but the glazers. (And there is quite of those idiots)

[@kurtisdeakin]

Parry marines, the dodge simulator, now with 80% more cuddling or your armour won't come back lol

[@sarcasm-83]

@@convergence1point Oh? I had been having a bit of a break from that game hoping the Assault class would get a bit of love and rework... hadn't heard of this. Terrible news :S

[@Bakemer94]

Do these people have pros playing with them all the time? Any time i drop into a Helldive or higher mission, my teamates all develop parkinsons. They can't aim for shit, can't place an airtstrike anywhere but on top of the team. Or they drop an arc tower in the middle of our defence. Honestly I get maybe 1 good game every 8-9 hot drops. It's actually easier to play solo than co-op IMO.

[@thiccfila]

😂

[@pondracek]

You've just noticed that difficulty 5 has bled into helldive thanks to the buffs. 😒

[@daftpunk960]

Yo that's a fact it fucking crazy i get killed by my teammates more then anything else in the game mfs cant check before they throw shit smh

[@Justbilly01]

feeling that, then they throw a tantrum if you mention it, like dude watch your line of fire. Half the reinforcements shouldn't be used because you can't look before you fire or throw something. Can't even count how many times I've almost cleared a bug hole only to get orbital napalmed.

[@Bakemer94]

@@Justbilly01 the worst is when you are trying to stim pistol someone, and they turn around and kill you, because they are so casual, they don't know what a stim pistol is...

[@spartan_a1176]

The game has 47k players on Steam and that's tells you alot that if you listen to the fans, you will get them back playing your game 🙌 meanwhile all these small groups of crybabies are saying it is too easy is beyond me

[@Ricochicato]

I talked with one of my friends about this and he said, "It's not too easy, you were just used to a game that was harder than it needed to be."

[@jacktheripper7935]

Based.

[@lashedvenom]

2:11 No more difficulties. 10 is enough and it's arguably more convoluted than it already needs to be, literally just effects spawn rates. They should add modifiers like LFD2 or other horde games. Won't artificially extend the difficulty and will add a ton of variety to higher level games. They should (probably) differ from the already available modifiers that run in matches, or they could be permanently enabled if it's a weather condition.

[@Helwing.]

Agreed. There are too many difficulties even now. The more difficulties there are the more the playerbase gets split.

[@kitchen6720]

There are very few weapons or stratagems, if any, that deserve nerfs in their current iterations. A truly overpowered weapon strips away loadout diversity because the cost of not running it is too great to sacrifice. Currently, we're in a era where more strategies and builds are viable than ever, completely disproving the rumors that these buffs are 'overpowered'. Remember that before these patches, virtually all anti-tank weapons (Recoilless, eat's, spear, etc.) were basically unusable since they couldn't actually deal with heavy enemies efficiently? Why ever run a dedicated anti-tank when the autocannon kills these tanks at a similar pace, AND has the capability to efficiently handle medium threats as well? Dedicated anti-tank was a non-option, as in not useful enough to ever be worth equipping for serious play. Nowadays, I can build to the strengths of most stratagems in the game, and with strong building fundamentals, can see strong performance. Weapons like the grenade pistol are strong because of how freeing they are for loadouts. Using my secondary slot for AoE and to close bug holes allows me to justify the use of non-damaging grenades like stuns or smokes, opening new options for me as a player rather than taking them away. Weapons like the newly buffed senator don't make me want to run options like the Verdict, Grenade Pistol, or even the stock Peacemaker any less, instead I can now craft new loadouts which were previously unviable due to a lack of heavy pen and fill that role within the loadout. Changes like these have only served to enhance the game experience and give me faith in Arrowhead to continue creating new, engaging additions to their game.

[@mawnkey]

OhDough did a solo run on Super Helldive the other day with only the Senator to get his pistol achievement. It looked anything but "too easy" to me.

[@TheMongral]

I think something a lot of people are forgetting is there is an entire third faction that is coming to the game eventually. A brand new faction which will call for very different means of dealing with them, both tactically and in terms of loadouts. If certain weapons overperform, guess what? Those can be tuned to be less effective against the Illuminate’s defensive options, thereby enforcing diversity amongst loadouts, meanwhile everyone will be busy trying to learn how to properly fight them and will be getting absolutely shredded in the process. Just cause it’s easier now, when the guns are generally all stronger across the board, and while we’re fighting enemies that we’ve largely learned to deal with due to how long we’ve done so, that doesn’t mean that the Illuminate will just be pushovers when they eventually arrive. Calling it now, when the Illuminate finally do arrive we’ll likely have another Massacre on the scale of Malevelon Creek, and when it happens, people will be glad their guns are at least really fun to use while getting utterly ripped apart by the Illuminate. By making the loadouts capable of being more diverse, they’re _Preparing us for the Illuminate,_ not “Making the game too easy”.

[@hckr_-gh7se]

Yep. Also, as someone who regularly solos lvl 10, I was overjoyed to be able to play with more guns without it feeling frustrating. I don't think the people complaining about the Senator in particular are actually very good at the game, it takes like 30 rounds to kill a bile titan and nobody has time for that. Anyone at most skill levels would know that's not viable. And like you said the dev's have plenty of options to make the game more difficult without nerfs. I especially look forward to the brutal clash with the illuminates, as well as more diverse enemies in general.

[@chilbiyito]

Enemies need more organization and supporting roles like an actual army

[@lordgrey5223]

I hope they buff the Senator next patch too, as a final middle finger to those idiots that tried thier best to ruin this game.

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

I hope they double down and give it 6 armor pen

[@funkey6737]

The jammer strider with the turret Is an incredible idea . No more launching 4 500k, a lazer and 2 napalm at it and praying, your team would actually have to coordinate and bait it into a good position to RR it And for the record some of these takes asking for nerfs are crazy this is exactly what we as a community worked for.

[@teezy1234]

Too easy ? Bro I got jumped by 3 factory striders, 5 tanks and 4 hulks on difficulty 8 wdym to easy

[@millerrepin4452]

You didn't use the senator. One shot would have killed 3 hulks you just have to twist it like the movie wanted.

[@teezy1234]

@@millerrepin4452 yeah you are right I heard the senator could now destroy entire planets with one shot

[@millerrepin4452]

@@teezy1234 rumors has it that it was a shot from the senator that made Merida into a black hole.

[@krakenmckraken9128]

The past review bombing and player numbers disagree with these people. Game is fun to play now. Give more difficulties and content in the form of enemies and it’s goty for me. I ran more diverse loadouts on a 7+ session than I’ve ever ran and it was perfect.

[@xxstylinonyaxx2622]

Too easy? Go do a solo Super Helldive against the bots then.

[@vesas5214]

Solo is easy. Find a 20-40lvl lobby on super helldive, that's where the real challenge comes from. 4x the enemies, but your teammates are useless.

[@xxstylinonyaxx2622]

@@vesas5214 I don't know who told you that nonsense.

[@vesas5214]

@@xxstylinonyaxx2622 No one, I've experienced it myself.

[@xxstylinonyaxx2622]

@@vesas5214Explain to me how solo lvl 10 against the bots is easy, Elaborate.

[@jiopa]

@@xxstylinonyaxx2622basically he's saying you can do it coz ur not making mistakes. Check on youtube and you'll have so many vids of people soloing d10 on bots. He's right though, the problem comes when you come across a team that's not ready for 10 coz they'll eat through your reinforcements.

[@iron_side5674]

Don´t let those freaks influence how the game is balanced. Difficulties are for Difficulty, Buffs and Nerfs are for Balancing!!!!!!!!!!!! Slap them with a higher Difficulty and Ignore them...

[@Grimm9890]

i guess stockholm syndrome kicked in for some folks also this is what i wanted to say first but felt kinda inmature "after beign abused for so long... something something tolerance" as you can see i couldnt figure out how to finish it

[@eintyp4389]

Why the Senator shouldh stay as it is: - Senator has a slow overall Rate of fire - Only 40 Bullets - Can´t handle big swarms or hunters - Does not have any splash dmg - Takes way to long to kill gunships - There is a single thing this gun excells at and its killing hulks. So why wouldh you hardfocus on the only thing in the entire game this gun is good at? Take that away and there is litteraly no reason to take this over any other secondary! Biletitans die instantly to any heavy ordinance or a rocket to there weakspot as they shouldh so no having to dump multiple mags into its weakspot with a heavy AP gun makes perfect sense.

[@sleepy-fc6rf]

The Armory literally will not be happy until Helldivers die to a light breeze and all the weapons are just removed from the game so you have to try and fistfight every enemy to death. Spawns are tripled and armor levels are quadrupled across the board, too. No grenades. No stims. No stratagems. No boosters. Oh, and your wrists come pre-broken, so you're actually just aggressively poking them with your bone nubs.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I've been having fun by running a medic/support build. A "meta" primary, the stim pistol, and whatever grenade I feel like (Usually Stun or Impact Incendiary, personally). Then Supply Backpack and some kind of heavier support option (my favorite is the AMR). For stratagems I bring the Rocket Sentry and Shield Generator or another turret, depending on the mission type. I have to say, getting good with the stim pistol and stimming people from 50 meters away right after they get ragdolled, preventing them from dying to chaff mobs as they get up, is one of the most satisfying and rewarding skill-based feats that I've pulled off in the last couple of days. I do wish the stim pistol healed a bit more OR a bit faster (or maybe was a bit more accurate), but overall the buff it received made it actually worth using.

[@Screech2111]

Tbh the flag mission on the current MO are where 10s should be. You can kill stuff, but holy s do you get swarmed.

[@thiccfila]

the flag mission is so fun

[@Screech2111]

@@thiccfila Yeah. It's the first time in a while we couldn't just wing it, but had to start to use our brains. Most fun I had in a while

[@lashedvenom]

Def a vocal minority. Been having a ton of fun and people genuinely enjoying the update won't be expressing their enjoyment.

[@clauvyuga]

Hilarious; people saw a clip of a hulk/bile titan getting killed with a senator in controlled conditions at lower difficulty and thought that's representative of the shitstorm you face outside of testing.😅 Personally, I think AH should double down instead and let us use two senators at the same time.

[@ln6964]

The General Brasch does! Why can't we?!

[@Canis.Lupus.Arctos]

Almost any argument that involves blaming the community for the state of any game is just wrong... Them devs are always responsible, period. That being said, people will always complain, cuz frankly different people have different preferences... But let's be real here for a sec, HD2 has never been difficult, it has been annoying at times, and fun at times, but never difficult... Even if difficulty is subjective... If folks have come to HD2 looking for difficulty challenges, they stayed in the wrong place... I maintain my argument since launch, that the game needs to be fixed of it's bugs and need to be fun to play... And even tho they [devs] can play around the difficulty, a super challenging game is probably going to alienate more players than please players. As you said, people looking for a challenge should come up w/ the challenges themselves, but also not expect that in public lobbies w/out mics...

[@drewmantheoriginal3106]

No, the game isn’t to easy now. this is probably the most fun I have had in the game to this point. My friends and I have been laughing our asses of and have been having a blast this entire patch. The game isn’t to easy now. It actually feels good to play now.

[@botkozzvel]

anybody else wish they would add a mechanic where if you hae gas/ fire loadout and a teammate has the other, you could cross streams with flamethrower + sterilizer, DOT tornado

[@phobosatthegatesofe3m158]

Reddit contiues to be brain dead

[@EvaandJavier]

He sure responded. The game suddenly got insane

[@ryanvacation7319]

These are the same tiny minority of loud people who were happy when the weapons were nerfed and the player numbers were dwindling. Ignore these sweat lords.

[@kurtisdeakin]

Exactly. Whatever ah did they will drop this game. Either it's too ez and they get "bored", or ah make it arbitrarily hard, they can't get their bragging rights, and they claim its "unbalanced", and they leave for the next game they can use to validate their existence.

[@LethinGabbins]

We still have a whole other faction to be released, not including boss fights and the overlords. And honestly, people complaining about the senator being op clearly haven't used it to kill a bile titan considering cause it takes half the ammo pool to pull it off.

[@juodasvilkas]

Too easy? Yeah I don’t believe these people are playing on super helldive if they’re even playing at all

[@dusk2308]

i mean hell i am getting my ass beat on bots 8

[@juodasvilkas]

@@dusk2308 Yeah the amount of one shot attacks the bots have are insane. Not to mention the ragdolling

[@Kanielwhiskey]

I somewhat agree with the first reddit post shown here. But hear me out: I had a lot of fun when they first added diff 10. There was a reason to use the Railgun even though it was considered to be bad since the 2-shot titan Bug fix, but with it’s penetration it was one of best picks for high diffs full of armored targets. Since then there were a lot of buffs that changed overall character of equipment. I want to feel like completing the mission is beyond my capabilities. I really like that challenge in the game that feels like the game world just doesn’t want me to exist. It adds to the story immersion and I get to prove myself otherwise. I’m just a normal trooper that participates in a war that’s bigger than myself after all!

[@InfinityZwei]

The Heavy Penetration of the Senator does not make it a TTK weapon with bugs, which anyone who puts enough time in this game would realize if they actually put the effort into trying to use the gun as a substitute for far better weapons in the situations that would call for heavy penetration. The sheer amount of rounds it requires over a period of time/reloads doesn't pan out in the overwhelming number of situations you'll encounter, where you're going to be dealing with a multi-pronged attack that has your attention divided. It's an excellent complementary weapon and can fill a hole in your arsenal, but it's not bumping any other options out of the running in the same way that the old Railgun did or how the state of the game was that made the original Commando so very meta.

[@ExtraTrstl]

Wasn’t different weapons, some which could be OP, but all of which had some level of viability (and perhaps more importantly, cool/fun factor) precisely how Elden Ring, one of the most lauded games of recent history, approached difficulty? I recall confusion before I played it myself because the rhetoric online was BOTH “this is the easiest FromSoft game ever” AND “This is so hard”. To me that’s an indication of a fairly robust system. I think we also need to appreciate just how much and how substantial this game has changed in the past 60+ days. This was an amazing effort on the part of the devs and 60 days is, honestly, such little time to actually implement major changes. Big props to them. I think this has also shown a few other things. One being that what the game lacked prior was DIRECTION. A single vision and leadership focusing that vision. I think Shams Jorjani had WAY more influence here than we give him credit for. IIRC the “60 day plan” - arguably AH’s most ambitious and successful pivot even if you disagree with the outcome - was announced while Pilestedt was on vacation. So my assumption is this is majority Shams’s baby. It also highlights just kinda how unaware AH was with how the game interacted with itself, how it felt to play, where its problems were, etc. It is WILD watching the developer realize in real-time the problems that were clearly identified since nearly day 1. Finally, and I hate to say this, this also means AH probably lied to us several times. Not “misunderstood” something or not some nuanced disagreement, but straight up lied. E.g., they told us several times fire couldn’t be fixed but it was one of the first things fixed in the 60 day initiative. I’m not thrilled with ALL the changes and I think the Senator is a good example of that. I would have preferred a new, single shot, actual “hand cannon” because I agree - one SHOULDN’T be able to take down drop ships and titans with a revolver. On the flip side, while perhaps not in-universe appropriate that our revolver does better than 100% of our rifles, it absolutely does expand variation and playstyle which is unequivocally a good thing. I think finally, finally, finally after several community revolts, after so much ignored feedback, after dropping player numbers, etc. AH is making a game rather than some theoretical battle simulator. I think that finally (finally, finally, etc.) there is leadership that has a vision which may be imperfect but which is actually manifest and articulated, and we finally (etc) have a team working toward common goals. TL;DR - the game is flawed, and it’s a shame it took so long to get the improvements it desperately needed, but I think this shows a change in attitude just as much as change in mechanics and that’s a huge positive now and especially moving forward. AH has lot of work but they’re finally cognizant of that and have given an impressive attempt already.

[@godleftelmo7710]

Some of these nerf divers im confident have schizophrenia...

[@mikejones8808]

If they nerf the senator I will riot

[@KerriganTyranid]

You and me both

[@curtisbailey4398]

I tried the senator and immediately caught on that it was meant for cleanup if the big thing didn't die to your strategem or AT shot.

[@SBcard]

I've stuck with the sickle for quite a while on the bot front. Its buff made it much more fun and viable, and only more so now that the senator is buffed. It gives me a chance against devs on desert planets where I can't afford to burn my heat sinks. Its inability to quickly kill heavies gives me reason to bring quasar/AM rifle/RR/EAT/ HMG emplacement/HMG. Especially with EAT/HMG emplacements quick call in time.

[@annodomini2012]

Factory strider with mortars on its back, factory strider with antiair emplacements on its back, factory strider with manned machine gun turrets on its back

[@maxmad7641]

Genuinly hard to find any of these complaints on reddit. Vast majority are either happy or asking for further neglected weapons to get some love too! Only senator post i saw said that it justifies HMG being stronger

[@SPAMsammiches]

Please don't take away Big Baby...

[@turboturkey7236]

The bug side gets much more difficult when you go from a 7 to an 8 but there’s no denying that both bots and bugs, heavies especially, are very squishy. I think a good middle ground would be to increase the armor for heavy units while leaving the others alone. Bots are more balanced and fun than ever but of all things, Factory Striders and Hulks feel like they’re made of drywall. The bugs have it worse; the Bile Titans and Impalers are so weak that even difficulty 9 missions feel like a 7, especially when someone brings a Spear/RR. In fact, the scariest bugs to face are the new Commanders and the warriors they spawn. We are so very close to finding that ideal balance of “a really fun challenge.” P.S. the best version of the Impaler was the one in June when it was still terrifying

[@Icy_Igloo]

That person theorydiving. All that fear about the Senator against a Bile Titan...and then it takes 40 shots!