Hellish Quart - Longsword, weak vs. strong mechanics, some answers

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Hellish Quart is a fighting game about sword dueling, in which the blades really clash using physics, and the characters use motion captured fencing techniques. Play as one of many 17th century warriors and use sabers, rapiers, broadswords and many other blades in single player campaign, arcade, or local multiplayer with friends.
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[@hunterhess8433]

Take your time man, the game will be better for it in the end

[@DaJan1509]

I whole-heartedly agree

[@VinhNguyen-vw9qw]

For reals. We can wait and we’ll pay however much you want us to pay for a good game.

[@jonnysith]

learn from your fellow Poles, don't rush.

[@arklaw8306]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Erik3E]

That is why I support games like this, Manor Lords and Star citizen, rather than a rushed "AAA" title that has a billion bugs and at its release hardly can be called a AAA title. I rather see a long development where it is perfected than a rushed one with flaws that annoys me and then I have to wait until they fix it in their next game (if they even do that)

[@aghostofthepast]

The animations are beautiful. Everything is beautiful in this game.

[@Jacobson47]

I just check the steam page and it says sp/split screen wtf it should have online pvp

[@aghostofthepast]

@@Jacobson47 Anything online is hard to implement and if done badly is a buggy mess that is infuriating to play. i hope they add it as it would be a great feature but it shouldnt be rushed.

[@MatPost]

Hollywood needs to stop misperceive people with how swords work in movies and actually incorporate HEMA techniques in swordfight scenes.

[@geovanneteixeira100]

Finally, a game that represents a longsword properly, I got tired of games with baseball bat animation for longswords.

[@sapateirovalentin348]

Say the kid with a baseball bat

[@geovanneteixeira100]

@@sapateirovalentin348 Lmao, i swear i didn't done this on purpose.

[@sapateirovalentin348]

I guess

[@nuclear9977]

@@geovanneteixeira100 lol baseball kid

[@geovanneteixeira100]

@@nuclear9977 Yeah, i just hope they add more longsword fighters.

[@ofsabir]

If both players choose the same fighter, there may be the need of a distinguishing clothing variation for one fighter. Please consider this Kubold. Btw you are doing really well, please take your time and put out the best you can. My best wishes.

[@jan3381]

exactly what i was thinking Abi

[@arlaghdoth4434]

Yes, recolors of the fighter's outfits would be great.

[@MrHarbltron]

Even something as simple as alternate clothing colours would make a world of difference, but let's let the man work on core features before addressing visual quibbles.

[@GanjaMasterBlaster]

Sorta like On the rapier gal Like if player 1 chose the rapier character 1st The character will have the normal skin While if player 2 choosea the rapier character as well The character will be different Like have a plumed or feathered hat And also a leather camisole or justacorps

[@fadhilnugraha195]

Yes, or maybe even let people customize their character so this game will look more appealing. I truly want people(or at least gamers) to know what real swordfight looks like

[@isaiahmendoza6394]

this game looks amazing. One thing I'd recommend adding though is a bleedout system. Coming from a person who has some medical training (firefighter/emt) I can confidently say that when your SNS (sympathetic nervous system, controls adrenaline) is active, you can function with multiple stab wounds, even to vital organs (at least for a short period). What makes people fall over is blood loss, or if your lung is punctured, lack of oxygen. Usually you won't even register the pain until the adrenaline wears off and if something like the heart is hit, you'd be dead before you feel it. This is because your opioid/cannabanoid and other pain receptors are upregulated when your SNS system is in overdrive. This is called stress induced analgesia. It's why people who get stabbed always say they thought the guy just punched them at first.

[@isaiahmendoza6394]

@Toy yeah the body is pretty weird. You can even run around for a few seconds after a stab wound to the heart very often before falling over dead. If I were designing the game I'd have a system that creates a situation where the rate of blood lost depends on where you get hit. Out of 10 it'd be like heart-10, stomach-2, aorta-8/9 ect. Once the meter ran out the other guy would just collapse in the middle of the fight.

[@kaizen5023]

Thumbs up for bleedout system, but I think the game does a great job of allowing multiple minor stabs from the rapier yet can kill with just one good blow.

[@oceanbytez847]

@@isaiahmendoza6394 i think the game 'stops' the fight at any fatal strike because realistically, if you struck a killing blow you could just hang back while your foe bleeds out. no need to advance and risk injury if the fight is already won. This translates into boring gameplay.

[@isaiahmendoza6394]

@@oceanbytez847 That's a valid point. you could get around that by giving the other person a speed buff while he's bleeding out so the other guy can't outrun him. It would serve as a balancing mechanic and would make sense because if you saw that you were losing blood quickly it would make sense that you'd get one last adrenaline dump out of physiological desperation.

[@oliviergagnon8719]

Ok so you only need one hit to win eight? If my opponent start to bleed I'll just run away until I win

[@weekwar]

Coming home after HEMA training and playing HQ demo with my friends - thank you for this opportunity! Don't chat, work and don't burn out, cheers!

[@DwarfElvishDiplomacy]

You have hema during COVID?

[@staryided3773]

@@DwarfElvishDiplomacy just wear a mask over your helmet

[@kaizen5023]

@@staryided3773 ^ wear it OVER the helmet? I have worn a thin mask under the helmet.

[@staryided3773]

@@kaizen5023 wearing it over the helmet lets everyone else to see that you're wearing one and it's actually safe to fight with you... if you exclude hematomas, fractures and other fun HEMA stuff from the "unsafe" list

[@earlkzb]

Brilliant solution for the weak and strong. Can't wait for the early access, but take your time if you need, guys. This game WILL be a success

[@luana.desousa6398]

I like how small/one man team make nice games in quite a good amount of time like hellish quart and four seasons but then we have yandere simulator that is a complete 7 year disgrace

[@kazuhiramiller2121]

"Are you coding son ??!"

[@TheAsj97]

That's because the Hellish Quart developers are ACTUAL developers, with actual experience, tons of knowledge, and and aren't lazy sociopaths.

[@madmack6831]

LETS GOOOO MORE HELLISH QUART!

[@blinder_lps7402]

How to play with many champions and how onlin

[@ucasami]

Can't get enough of the animations and clothes in this game! Real glad to see you've opted for focusing on development and of course yourself. Take your time, honestly the forums can wait and folks will absolutely understand your choice in the matter. Thanks for the update and all the best from Scotland!

[@m.gabrielf]

Maaan, are you for real? The HEMA community and medieval fighting enthusiast all over the world will literally melt over this. I already love it, keep up the good work.

[@capuchinhelper]

This is great, brings back memories of playing Bushido Blade

[@vuivui4273]

A fighting game that is more realistic than Hollywood movie.

[@TheMrAiron]

Except for woman fighters (Sorry John, didn't see your comment)

[@Squirrelsquid]

Hollywood rarely has historical accurate fighting. It's all somersaults and needless spinning. It looks cool, but no one would have fought like that.

[@k.v.7681]

@@xL4RG0x Depends on the time and place. Women were barred from war most of the times, not fencing per say. Just like hunting was a male dominated activity, with women participating from time to time. That's how falconry began in the Bourgogne region. While "big events" were very codified, daily lives had some peculiarities not unlike today, especially when it comes to sports and free time among richer classes.

[@k.v.7681]

@@xL4RG0x The biological and cultural is exactly why those activities were develloped. As I said, they were barred from war, not fencing or hunting. Daily lives aren't "irrelevant". Battles and slaughter are not the only shapers of history. Hunting was very much a thing with women with, as I said, flaconry. Because biology. It wasn't lady-like to go ride a horse to skewer a boar, sure, but sending a pretty bird to catch small game? And that's the middle-ages. Slightly later on, they did ride with the men. Louis the XIV had a great friendship with his sister in law, the Palatine, who was an avid rider and hunter. As for fencing or other martial arts, women did learn to protect themselves (altho less likely in noble circles). A master-swordswoman wasn't likely to be seen, sure, but any man with soldiering experience worth his salt would have teached his wife and daughters to defend themselves. We know this from court reports and legal documents relating to assaults gone bad in self-defense. Women warriors are well documented, especially since they were indeed rare (note that at no point I say it's common. It isn't. Doesn't mean it's inexistent or unimportant). We have church ordinances forbidding women from going to war with men (The Christian Synod of Druim Cett), because it was a problem at the time. And a bit later Johannes Skylitzes refers to Kievan Rus attacks on the Byzantine, with women in armor found among the dead on the battlefield. Defense efforts in besieged cities also saw women take up arms, and I can think of two knightly orders that were born from it (the order of the Hatchet and the order of the Glorious Mary). Cultural norms are all well and good until somebody is trying to slice your throat.

[@vuivui4273]

@@k.v.7681 Bruh. I don't know about sending a pregnant woman into war though

[@placeholder2617]

The game's combat is coming along great, in no small part to your dedication. Take your time as you have been. The game will be great as a result

[@leonardoyangzon9834]

I never expected a game like this to exist, everything is so accurate. You guys are the best!

[@spartan1010101]

This looks so amazing and while I'm not a HEMA practitioner I've seen a lot of it and this is probably one of the most accurate displays I've seen. Keep up the good work!

[@valdimer11]

You have what is - potentially - the hands down, best damn swordplay game ever made. Period. But it's not quite there yet. Take your time with it. I just finished playing 250 random player vs CPU rounds. This game is freaking great.

[@Wuldrian]

It is really admirable that you are focusing on working on the game patiently and also making sure you don't spend too much time on forums. Keep up the hard work man, we are supporting you!

[@Tofrellaz]

I'm a traditional fencer and I tried the Demo on Steam. This is the first proper fencing game and it is AMAZING. If you need any kind of help on the project I would be really glad to help. Thank you for bringing this to life.

[@NinjaPrimeProductions]

loving it, please take your time releasing it, this looks really great.

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Your dedication to realism is really incredible

[@RetroRaven8]

It's been 25 years since bushido blade came out and there's been nothing like it on the market that i know of. 25 years i've had this itch, thanks for making this. Looking forward to the beta!

[@samb8369]

First off this game looks amazing. Second off I like that you are doing in depth development videos and being transparent, leading to confidence in the finished product. Can’t wait till this comes out

[@АндрейСерин-ж1е]

This is the game I've been looking for so long! I really love the way it looks and feels. I wish you luck with this project and hope you will get all the resourses you need to finish it! Thanks!

[@PEZ1514]

Just found out about this game. Thanks for making it. I have had this game design in my head since 2011. I am glad someone made the idea.

[@theecapitan]

Great work. It’s the little things like this that will make this game feel 100 times better than just a run of the mill fighting game. It’s a good work you do.

[@actually_a_circle]

I think you have a lot of support. Take your time, and the game will be great. I dont have a pc but I like your passion for HEMA

[@YOUCANTDOTHATONTELEVISION]

Such an incredible project! I am so blown away by this because I have ALWAYS wanted a game that featured a deeper swordplay system. Its not even finished and is already a masterpiece,

[@hermestmgofficial]

A great idea, with a very interesting gameplay, this sword dueling system is really cool, and I believe that many players have been waiting for something like this for a long time, I know that you will have many improvements, and you are on the right path, it's getting better and better, I would particularly like that HUD and the X animation with the swords at the beginning of the round to be more beautiful at the end of the project, the characters look great, with good animation and movement effect on the clothes. What I liked most was the danger and the emotion that must be experienced in a duel like this, Congratulations.

[@paradox8677]

I'm sure a lot of people just found this out of nowhere, which is lucky because this looks amazing. For a small team, you all are definitely doing a fine job.

[@thatguyonline5083]

Please take your time and don't overwork yourselves, I'm very excited for the finished product

[@matthewmiller9485]

Looks like a real life super accurate HEMA sim with high graphics combined with the basics surrounding bushido blade, I can definitely see a lot of people picking this up once available!!!

[@lucashell2619]

I wasn't the only one thinking abt the old unique game😆

[@SnikkasHD]

I love community interaction and some personal touches to a game due to developers openly talk about their stuff and displaying them. It is always good to see the human part in such a game which makes me wanting to support this project!

[@josephwimerYoYoYo]

Kubold your attention to detail, and quality is both honored and respected here. Patience is not hard for me while waiting for something quality.

[@J3unG]

I just played the game! It's fantastic, guys. I hope you continue to develop this game to include other martial arts styles (hint: Asian martial arts). The grappling aspect will be A M A Z I N G. Hopefully you include groundwork aspect to it. Some things to think about: How about short dagger as secondary weapon? Strikes to lose long weapon so that fighter has to transition to dagger or empty hand. I can't imagine how to do something like this. You guys are brilliant. Thank you.

[@HotaruZoku]

Every detail you include is a much-overdue slap in the face of every game that's come before and ever used the word "realistic". JUST the thoughtfulness behind "Strong and Weak Blocks" is itself phenomenal. I know it's grueling, but you're creating LIFE LONG fans here, and I'm a proud supporter. Take the breaks you need. Don't burn out. Just keep it up. Keep adding these beautiful mechanics. It's sincerely a work of art already, and I only hope I get to see it fully formed. P.S. Could you add a Super Chat option? I'd like to offer further support, when possible.

[@amaw88]

First game I’ve been anxiously and happily anticipating in a REALLY long time. So excited!

[@faramund9865]

Hey man, would just like to say I'm impressed with your project. Really impressive what you are able to make with just the two of you! Looks wonderful. I hope you're not burning yourself out on this one! (Like you said yourself). Gotta put limits, when it ends it ends and you do something fun ^_^

[@heniekhenkowski411]

Ta walka nie tylko wygląda realistycznie. Ona jest realistyczna. Ta gra to coś wyjątkowego. Nigdy w życiu bym nie pomyślał, że będę się jarał czymś takim a jednak nie mogę się doczekać premiery.

[@mr.nobody9697]

I just discovered this game and am blown away by it. Its very easy to pick up and play but will take a long time to master especially against human opponents. This fight system could truly revolutionize the hack and slash genre.

[@Chefsefsnacks]

I just got back into hellish quart. It's come so far! Great work :)

[@BlueGodPrime]

I don't know if you know this but you may have just opened the door for the best looking Lightsaber combat the world has ever seen in future games. I hope Lucas film games sees what you have done here

[@AW-hg3pc]

dont worry too much about deadlines/time man. You get to be one of the rare developers that actually take the time to deliver quality! Dont be like warhorse studio, i do love their work but wouldve gladly waited 6 months longer for their game to be polished and debugged.

[@kaizen5023]

Amazing game so far, THANK YOU for all your attention to detail and focus on fencing principles in the game mechanics. Wishing much success - everyone tell all your HEMA-loving friends about this game!

[@RawDoggin_78]

you are awesome dude i cannot thank you enough for making this game real

[@DrBochen]

Never seen such an realistic representation of Longsword fencing in a Video Game. Great work man, I cannot wait!

[@singami465]

Grappling obviously plays a massive element in any kind of fight, and I understand that it can be difficult to find a solution to it. On your point of not wanting to make a minigame - probably the most obvious one would be rock-paper-scissors - once you remove movement from a fighting game, it really just becomes rock-paper-scissors anyway. I don't have direct answers, but my thoughts are that it should be based heavily on stamina management, that you can use directional controls to push, pull and sway your body, and that controlling your opponent's weapon is the most important part of grappling. EDIT: Also, it'd be pretty cool if other HEMA people, like Matt Easton, gave their opinions and suggestions on grappling - not necessarily gameplay solutions, but what they feel is most important in capturing the feel of grappling.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

I think Kubold has access to enough HEMA experts in his home country. I imagine that the only problem right now is the pandemic making organizing motion capture sessions that much harder.

[@Kubold]

The grappling, in my mind, should not have to use a minigame, separated from the rest of the combat. Two players fighting with direction buttons over the center of balance may indeed be worth trying. I plan to get some HEMA people to perform this on mocap - I need two people anyway to record this.

[@weekwar]

@@Kubold U can look at PS MMA fighting game, I didn't have enough experience in it, but it is rather balanced in kicking and grapling. Also in longsword fencing u can add mini-game during bind vor-nah-indes and winden techniques, but it is german system. Not only with grapling.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

@@Kubold But do you think that deeper wrestling mechanics actually fit the game's setting? I mean, it would fit a game set in Middle Ages really nicely but Ringen in XVII century dueling?

[@Kubold]

@@kamilszadkowski8864 Ringen, wrestling, clinch - whatever you call it, if someone grabs your sword hand, you need to do something. Right now it's a very simple mechanic in the game, that is intended to punish players who like to rush in and mash the buttons. It's always a big surprise for them when they get grabbed. But it would be cool if they could reverse the hold somehow - and of course, counter reverse the reverse. Each step more and more difficult to perform.

[@mikedangerdoes]

Mate, take your your time. This looks amazing and people will wait for it. The animation is so smooth, the art style is wonderful, and the concept so excellent that people will definitely hang out for this one. Love the look so far.

[@baronburgamot243]

This is so good. Dont rush this man, take your time get this game right. I cant wait to play it in EA. Especially as a longsword fencer

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

It's unbelievable how such a small team can make such an amazing game! Keep the good work!

[@dariusluknar4810]

Wow, nice progress and great work so far! Keep it up the game looks great, very nice swordplay and the long sword animations look amazing. When I played it with my friends by just connecting gamepads to the PC and dueling I remember we enjoyed the hell out of it and liked it very much. I'm definitely buying the game as soon as it's out and I'm gonna recommend my Polish friends to do the same :D other friends of course well. Greetings from Slovakia and good luck, keep up the good work. Cześć!

[@ntmfalloutproductions4713]

This game is a masterpiece already in its own right and the wait will be worth it!

[@GriffinheartPlays]

I showed this to my friend who's a big fan of HEMA too, yeah we can't wait to play this game in it's full glory... once we have enough money for it XP

[@rehakmate]

This game is a lot of fun, i played it today for the first time and it's amazing, i love the longsword

[@LeonardoAntunes]

I loved playing the demo! Hellish Quart is already a classic. Absolutely brilliant. Looking forward to playing the full version.

[@107598]

Just bought the game and i love it. I see much potential for more type fighters. Keep it up mate.

[@bigj9942]

Glad to see a developer taking time, love how its looking, gl!

[@dicksdiggers]

This is one of the most innovative fighting games I have ever seen, and such great visuals/animations too. Good luck and keep up the good work.

[@juanchitaro5380]

Don't even apologize XP the game looks incredible!! Best swordfighting I've ever seen.

[@goaway8610]

Just got this game yesterday and I love it

[@Urfin1313]

Fantastic! It definitely has the _gameplay_ of real fencing, which is SO much more fun than the dumbass bashing and slashing, or the clunky collision sims we usually get in games. This is absolutely the way to go! And since we got things like Remote Play Together and Parsec now, it doesn't even need netcode :)

[@micahshively2831]

Take all the time you need. You have no idea how excited we are for this game!

[@AvangionQ]

This is kinda amazing ... and makes me think of how to properly describe realistic swordplay in D&D games 💖

[@lumarious]

Incredible work... This game is so much fun. Cant wait to see more!

[@ryankeller2509]

i remember loving bushido blade on playstation 1. it didn't have story, but it had something unique and almost organic that most AAA games have. it was focused. I look forward to purchasing this.

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

This game looks so cool, I'm very glad I was recommended this video!

[@ivyssauro123]

Love you bro, thank you and the other dev for all the work, you guys are bringing into the world a game that is honestly of artistic necessity to the game world, not just a good idea.

[@mr.le-capibar]

I think you are doing everything good with your time developing and growing a community. Keep this pace of productivity, beware of burnout!

[@Niallish1]

So many great games companies in Poland! I'm really impressed by this. I really enjoyed playing Deadliest Warrior: Legends way back when. It'll be wonderful to play a new kind've game like that and from what I can see it'll be a well crafted experiance :) looking forward to it.

[@jalcomics]

Super excited for this. You have all my support. I'll buy it day one, whenever that is.

[@xseper]

This model have alot of "moonwalk" or fantom moves. Leg animation have to be synchronized with the ground

[@deathdeathington]

Your time is valuable. It seems you are using it wisely. This looks amazing.

[@da_tommynator]

Wygląda świetnie. Nie mogę się doczekać.

[@PatrickDaye]

Great explanation of how the longsword 'works'. Definitely feels OP until you figure it out. Love the variety of fighting styles in this game, so fun.

[@RyanRyzzo]

Good heavens! Is this a dream or reality? :D I am flabbergasted every time by Hellish Quart haha, it's complex yet so simple to enjoy playing this. Can't wait for release lol

[@TH3L33TM3XICAN]

Oooooo this game looks fascinating. Please dont rush development I wanna see this baby polished.

[@GerruG]

I'm really looking forward to this game! Keep up the awesome work, it's the small details that makes a game timeless. I'm sure the end product will be amazing and possibly the best sword combat simulator yet!

[@SwordTune]

I'm glad y'all started with sabre, a weapon I've trained more with, but I'm definitely excited for some classic longsword plays.

[@metalassassin8841]

The looks muuuuch better since the video I've seen from Skall, great job guys!

[@lorddoinkus9912]

I'm loving the direction this game is going and I hope to see even more weapons and weapon styles and hope only for success

[@TomPuppetmaster]

Added to my wishlist. The animations look great and physics based combat is amazing!

[@Dondlo46]

You are really good developer, bigger game companies should take notes

[@ИгорьЩеповских-ф9б]

I absolutely like the Hellish Quart! Thank you for the great work, you're doing :)

[@juanpablogonzalez8528]

So, i recently bought this game, and of course it still has a long way to go but so far i'm loving my time with it

[@SYLAR117872]

You sir are a legend. Im just looking to use some of your animsets for a game. Had no idea you made this game too

[@yvesgomes]

You have a very impressive ambition! Regarding the weak blocks, I noticed that as they happen from long range, they end up not hitting the enemy even if they blow through. Therefore, I wonder if their benefit should be something different, like slowing the enemy's ripost. This way, you could attack from long range on purpose, with the long sword, as a tactic of sword domination. Doing so would also help to keep you safe against enemies trying counter you by interruption (timing) or evasion single tempo counters. I remember you made a similar change to how the purpose of the feints. So, I hope it's not too late to reconsider the gameplay role of the weak blocks.

[@reezalrosli3104]

legit looks like how real sword play would be. getting some sword/street fighter vibes. this is amazing stuff

[@Mister.Weatherbee]

As a HEMA practitioner this game is a dream. Super excited to try it out.

[@epic321123]

Hope this wonderful game sells really well so it gets the development team it deserves.

[@VegieHead11]

Amazing game, Amazing work, all the kudos, take your time to make the project fit your vision, we will all be better off for it. Thank you!

[@hiddenghost5903]

Imagine if there is a mode where cutting off the hand or beheading your opponent results in an instant victory. But then again, you’re also landing other kinds of mortal wounds so it might get inconsistent.

[@dantelossantos7562]

Keep on cose its just awsome! it deserves to be done and im buying it. Thanks for your effort and take your time in doing it.

[@zethron1173]

A small team with so much work. On a genre that is rare.. sounds like how Mortal Kombat got started. Dude! This has so much potential. I agree dont burm out and take your time brother!

[@nefariousneckbeard7775]

This is definitely going to be a ‘historic’ game, in more ways than one!

[@rickykeim2005]

I think this game looks great. im planning on getting this when it comes out.

[@istvanbarath6333]

It's interesting, that in the FPS genre we get more and more succesfull "hardcore" games such as EFT, Squad, Hell let loose, etc, but in the hack and slash/swordfighting games in general, we have almost nothing... The closest we get is Mordhau if I had to guess, but even then realism isn't really the focus of the game. Anyway, Hellish Quart will be a long awaited breath of fresh air for me

[@achuchin]

8 hours is the maximum amount of time you should spend for a long term project, do not burn. Looking forward to HQ!!

[@Jerome616]

Your concept and execution are amazing keep going!!!

[@coyotefire69420]

This is awesome. Yeah. Take your time, make it great and polished and people will enjoy it.

[@gs-nq6mw]

This game in virtual reality would be insane