Hemi Tick Lawsuit, Will It Succeed?

Hemi Tick Lawsuit, Will It Succeed? In this video I go over what the lawsuit alleges and what I think might be some challenges to overcome for them to win.
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[@raphaelsanchez4797]

Good video, except for three important issues---First, for product defect / liability lawsuits, the plaintiffs must prove that the defect was either known or foreseeable by the manufacturer and often without regard to the warranty. So, the typical 3yr / 36,000 powertrain warranty is not an issue. Second, the "degenerative issue" is largely not an issue. The question would effectively be: whether a reasonable person would be able to discern whether temporary noise coming from the engine area on a fairly new vehicle would go to a mechanic to have it checked out. A reasonable person is not an experienced mechanic. Each side (Stellantis and plaintiffs) would frame the issue in the most favorable way to them. Third, if the parties reach a settlement, the plaintiffs would not accept replacement parts of the same quality because that would be asinine and Stellantis would probably never agree to a cash-back rebate or a buy-back program because such programs hurt brand value. The only real answer is for Stellantis to source better parts and replace the old, defective parts with the better parts. As far as a current example, look at the Hyundai / Kia engine lawsuit, where Hyundai / Kia has agreed to replace almost half a million engines due to a risk of fire with many of them well beyond the warranty period, and with some models being as old as 2009. Sound like a lawyer? I am.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Good info I like it 👍

[@dimensionexo.]

If Chrysler doesn't know by now - They never will - Too much money - Paid for a vehicle I can't drive 😠

[@zachsmith8967]

Damn bro you laid some law down there.

[@xSK0RCHx]

@raphaelsanchez4797 brilliant explanation of how this lawsuit makes perfect sense

[@mastercarpenter1970]

I've read about vehicles as far back as 2014 doing this! So with that being said, in 2014 they called for 5W20 and now they're calling for 0W-20 in the same motor! So why the difference in oil weight if you know you're having parts failures due to lack of lubrication? I read it was because the lower the thickness of the oil The better gas mileage the vehicles would get and that means less money Chrysler pays to the EPA! So this has been an existing problem for 10 years and Dodge has done nothing to solve the issue! Could that not be brought up in court that it has been an existing problem and they just haven't done anything to fix it?

[@neilhollinshead2929]

I used to be a Chrysler tech also and agree with most everything you share. There is one thing from personal experience that I would like to share. I’ve changed a few failed Hemi cam and lifters for customers. Of course I would not be familiar with the “normal” sounds of any of those engines before the failure. Before and after sounds if you will. Although, one of the shared work trucks at my current job had this problem at 117k. I drove this truck daily in all seasons and was very familiar with how it sounded. It was a very quiet and smooth. Even when started cold. It started ticking one day and I knew exactly what was going on. The other guys that drove it tried dumping Lucas in it of course. Lol. Then kept driving it for a week or so. The company owner obviously knew where I worked before. So he asked if I’d fix it. I agreed. Found failed lifter on cyl.5. When I had the oil pan off I could clearly tell that the metal shavings from the cam was dripping on the crank and getting flung up into cyl 5. You could clearly tell the gray metal running down the block under that cyl. I could see no damage to the cylinder wall. Top or bottom. No metal in the cam phaser screen. Carried on with the repair. The tick was gone and it ran great. However, when started cold it definitely now had piston slap or knock. Not crazy bad, but I definitely noticed it. Not sure anyone else did. As they wouldn’t care anyway. It gradually faded away as it warmed. It made me wonder if any of the previous jobs I did had the same new piston slap. My belief is that the gray metal shavings damaged the skirt on that piston. Or built up in the rings changing the way the piston rocked in the bore. Either way it did not have this noise before. So when I heard you say the piston would be the last thing to get damaged, I’m not so sure I can agree on that one. That was four years ago and that engine now has 268k on it. With the same cam and lifters I installed and the same cold piston slap. But it still runs great. However, I have an additional theory on this particular engine. I also think it was possible that the stickiness of the Lucas held the metal shavings up on that cylinder wall longer than it would have with 5w20 washing it down. I know, I know! Longest comment ever!! Lol. Hope you find it interesting though.

[@gregz4249]

Interesting as I have a 2015 Ram 2500 with 110 k that has not had this happen yet and was contemplating adding lucus synthetic oil treatment as a preventative measure, the synthetic is thinner than the conventional Lucas oil treatment , my thinking was it would keep the lift or roller lubricated as now my truck sits a lot and doesn’t get drove, but on weekends because of a company truck, you mentioned the Lucas after the tick started, but what about as a preventative I have also thought about the hellcat oil pump or both what’s your thoughts?

[@John-Adams-Can]

After owning a 2009 ram, i learned one thing...never again will i buy a dodge. NEVER.

[@harrydinwiddie248]

An excellent and easily understood review of the lawsuit from a professional and experienced hemi mechanic. Information like this can help us hemi owners better decide what, if any action they need to take with regard this issue. Thank you sir for taking the time and the interest in this important issue enough to place it up here on KZbin.

[@prestoisakilla813]

awesome breakdown bro. love the channel and the insight/ knowledge. that kind of stuff is invaluable

[@SModelMafia]

Thanks for putting this up, that's why I sent it to you. I know you have really tried to help everyone. Appreciate you as always. BW

[@rednecksandhammers66]

I've been a Mopar Freak since the 70's. These people never dealt with the Valve train issues that the "Elephants" had (Most that I dealt with, failed way before 100K). I've done several modular Hemi Cam/Lifter replacements, and 90% of them had more than 100K. 70% of those, showed major signs of neglect.

[@ericsacco7406]

I have 46K on my 2014 5.7 Ram 1500 no issues other than the broken Exh. studs. Was told it is better overall to use the same manifolds but to have them resurfaced since they have been heat cycled. This is one of the nicest riding and running trucks out there... pulls my 8500 toy hauler with authority even up the steep grades. Just LOVE the truck. I FOR SURE recommend changing the 8 speed tranny fluid at 40k. Mine was coffee color and needed to be changed. I did it on my own but it is tricky to do and it shifts smoother now. I was told my my mechanic that the truck is a solid unit and that ALL the trucks out there have issues. He said he does not see the lifter issues in masses and to not read on the internet too much.. I see so many Ram's on the road hard to see them all failing with certainty. I change my oil every year or 4K miles was using Mobil one with a WIX filter. I was told Amsoil is the best but Penzoil is a close 2nd.

[@altondaniel80]

I have a 2014 Ram 1500 with only 70,000 miles and was told I need a new camshaft and to park the truck on yesterday. Highly upset to say the least but it was meant for me to come across your channel so thanks. I will be staying tuned.

[@ricksrandomrepairsandrevie9611]

Did the issue throw a code? I recently bought a 2014 with only 62,000 miles and I think I hear a ticking sound at start up. No codes and the truck has been running smoothly even after a few hundred miles. It isn’t my daily so I will be following the vids

[@brandonn0264]

Exhaust manifold

[@chrisy2560]

I had 380k on my 5.7 and was still going good when i sold it

[@qo2rj]

Thank you for your insights. I learned a couple of things.

[@justaskdad]

My 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7 is in the dealership awaiting parts for the replacement of valves and cam related to this issue. I will be into it for THOUSANDS+++!!!. Thanks, Chrysler!!!

[@genewilliams7302]

Great explanation from your perspective as a mechanic. :)

[@nhra7110]

I certainly feel for anyone that has a problem especially after warranty period, but there are so many variables involved, I don't see a high probability of a successful outcome on the lawsuit.

[@unlimitedljadventure]

I don't see the lawsuit going very far. I have a Ram 2500 with the 5.7 with 185k on it and only tick I have had is the exhaust. Use good oil and proper oil changes and issues will go down. Love the channel, glad I found it recently. I have loved my Ram for 10 years now.

[@bri-manhunter2654]

If you were in all the Hemi/ Ram groups that I am apart of you would understand how bad the problem is. With that said, when stroking my 5.7L we found a cam and lifter starting to fail.

[@solargarage]

Excellent information, thank you.

[@pitster]

6.1 hemi punched and stroked to a 426 7.0L here. Run wonderful. Recently heard a tick that seemed out of the ordinary. I immediately shut it down, pulled the oil filter and cut it open. Outside of a couple metal specs, all the paper pleats were clean. I'm pulling the drivers side cover and head off this weekend to check for play in the rockers, then lifters looking for wear. I suppose if you catch it quickly, you can save yourself lots of headache.

[@Sky1]

did you upgrade the oil pump?

[@BlackRam17]

@@Sky1I’m going to guess he did and didn’t take shortcuts since one, it’s a major build, and two he planned to tear it down that weekend.

[@glennwaters8447]

First off... Love your channel. So I know it's been awhile since this video, but I'm new to your channel and wanted to note something that I've recently been through which pertains to "The Tick". I own a 2015 Charger SRT 392 and recently had the tick. It got bad quick. Even got the engine light (P305). Sure enough #5 Lifter was bad which took out the cam. (NOT AN MDS CYLINDER). This is common, I've watch a lot of videos, so why am I writing this. Well... I haven't seen any mention of any other fail but the lifter. So... I put a new cam and lifters in, no big deal. But after getting her running again I felt a strange vibration I never felt before. I thought I did something. Found no issues caused by my mechanical skills. So after driving it for about three weeks, something broke. After removal of the engine, I found #6 connecting rod bearing was gone!! (MDS CYLINDER) All I found was a small sliver, the rest was shavings. Also found #5 bearing was spinning and failing. Coincidence? I found it interesting and just wanted to note. Thanks

[@sircrazytrain]

Great info thank you. I been watching now for a while and find your videos very helpful. I own a 2018 RAM 1500 with almost 60,000 miles on 5.7 not getting the HEMI tick yet but, I did have something very unusual happen around 3,000 miles after oil change where I found my oil filter was loose. It had been dripping on the driveway. I got under the truck and sure enough it was a little loose; I hand tightened it up and it was fine for a week or so then I noticed it was dripping yet again. I called Firestone where I had the oil changed and made them replace the filter and tighten it with a filter wrench. No leaks after that. However the tech at Firestone told me this can happen and it had something to do with too much oil pressure and to add an oil cooler to drop the pressure. That didn’t sound right to me. He stated there was some kind of service bulletin about it yet he couldn’t find it and neither could I when I was checking the web. The next time I took the truck to Firestone I ran into this tech again, and I asked him if he ever found that article and he said no but he found something and it said to add a little bit of marvel mystery oil in with the engine oil and to help with the pressure. Again sounded a little weird, but he claims to have been a Chrysler technician in a previous life. I was wondering if you’ve ever heard anything about hemi oil filters, becoming loose and dripping, and if it had anything to do with all the pressure of the oil system

[@ReignitedAuto]

I never like to discount anything out of hand. But no, I've not seen any sort of bulletin regarding that issue. Usually it's just a flyer that wasn't fully tightened when it was originally installed. You'd have to be making an absolutely ridiculous amount of oil pressure to do anything to the oil filter. And if anything, adding marvel mystery oil would increase your oil pressure so not sure how that would help if its a pressure problem.

[@sircrazytrain]

@@ReignitedAuto makes sense, thank you for your time!

[@fyireviewsandhowtos3118]

I have a 2006 Daytona with the 5.7. The car is a high mileage car but oil changes and preventative maintenance has been done on schedule. The car suffered a roller lifter failure and I heard it as soon as it happened. I drove the car about 10 miles to get it home. The car had a extremely light tap, a slight skip, but did not throw any codes. My first action was to change the oil to see if I might have a stuck lifter but the tapping continued after running the car for about 10 minutes. When I tore the engine down I found that the first lifter on the number one cylinder had not only failed but had also turned sideways in the yoke. This caused some grinding on the cam but more pushing of the cam lobe metal outwards. I pulled the oil pan and did not find any metal shavings although I had put fresh oil in the engine after hearing the tapping I did not see any metal shavings in that oil when I drained it. The main bearings also looked good so I sent the heads to a shop and had them cleaned, decked, and had the valve seats welded in along with new springs, guilds, and seals. The cam lobe was heavily damaged but it was due more to the lobe metal being pushed or rolled to the outside by the sideways turned lifter. All cam bearings checked out fine and I couldn’t fined any metal shavings inside the engine as I inspected through the cam opening. The only metal shavings I saw was in the form of a gray paste that had collected on the magnets of the MDS solenoids but was nothing more than what you would expect to see with an engine with high mileage I thoroughly cleaned the intake also. In all I replaced the timing chain, timing gears, the oil pump with a high volume one, the cam with a non MDS 212/222, non MDS lifters, MDS delete plugs, along with Al the previously mentioned head work. I have put over 100 miles on the motor and I will be doing another oil change at 500 miles and a third one at 1000 miles. As for now the motor is running strong and sounding good. Someone told me that I could not have done this with the later 5.7 due to the bearing tolerances being much closer. Is this true? How do you think this engine will hold up?

[@Dandoesit66]

I have a 2015 Ram 5.7. Mine made it to 127k before one of the lifters locked up and ate part of the cam lobe. I bought MDS delete plugs, Hellcat lifters and a Hellcat oil pump. I have the engine completely disassembled and and sending out the block for new cam bearings and a hot tank treatment.

[@samdorchester2524]

So has that worked for you?

[@sheldonconk9526]

How much do this cost?

[@estebanmartinez880]

Update??

[@monzav8]

Great explanation of the actual legal obligations are for Chrysler.

[@terrylittlejohn]

my cam eat two non mds lifter at 189,000 klm with oil changes at 7000klm! replaced with full engine builder kit and replaced all mds and vvt solenoids ! the truck has 15,000klms since the cam swap and running fine ! i did put heavy magnets on the oil filter for two oil changes, the first filter had some fine metal in held to the can of the filter but the second filter was clear!

[@ReignitedAuto]

I like that idea of sticking a pair of magnets in the pan to help collect any debris. 🤔👍

[@Whatchamawhozit]

you got a new sub... I have owned both pre 2009 and 2009+ Hemi 5.7 engines. My 2015 Jeep GC SUmmit 5.7 has 163k miles I am the 2nd owner and 1st owner kept up with the maintenance by the book. I continued that tradition changing oil every 2500-3250 miles. I recently did engine mounts and some suspension repairs. I recently grabbed a 2023 RT Charger Last Call so I am under warranty until 2028 for powertrain but I will most likely never see 100K or even 30k on that engine. That car is pretty much a lawn ornament. my 2014 Ram 1500 had 150k miles on it before I privately sold it in February of 2022, no tick no issues, but when I buy used vehicles I look for 2 things, number of owners and Maintenance history. If the vehicle shows a detailed carfax, and I pull the oil fill and see a nice light brown or light golden hue to the internals... I am good with it. Also anything i buy will get every single fluid replaced within 500 miles of purchase. my 2005 300C, aka my Pimp Mobile, I sold privately with 189k miles and being original owner I had the maintenance history down to the detailed carfax and every single receipt for every bit of work ever performed. Sold the vehicle for above market value in 2019 and also had it repainted in 2018, so it essentially looked new, interior was flawless, original radio, Nav etc. I actually wanna do some work to the jeep, I think it could use a bit more power and I am thinking of a cam upgrade and possibly intake, but what I am not sure of is how much of the charger/challenger parts will interchange with the jeep hemi. I have access to a practically new 6.4L Cam (less than 200 miles, and the intake, also less than 200 miles. I could save them for the charger but would love to put them in the jeep since it is so far out of warranty it will make no difference if I blow it up. If and when it goes kaboom I can part it out and make way more money as it is as immaculate as my 2005 300C. So can I use the charger 6.4L cam and intake in my 2015 Jeep GC SUmmit?

[@ReignitedAuto]

You can, the parts will bolt directly on to your engine, however you'd have to add the MSD box to control the variable intake runner, and if you do swap cams it would be best to get the engine tuned to maximize the combo 👍

[@PaulCTownsend]

Great info thank you.

[@dashdriver3711]

Excellent video. Thanks for the info. I have a 2019 RAM 1500 with a 5.7 HEMI. At 41K miles it has a pronounced lifter tick and a rough idle. My factory power train warranty expires in seven months. All service has been done by the dealership at milages less than the recommended service intervals. I scheduled an appointment two months ago to have it evaluated by the dealership. The service advisor called me the night before the appointment and asked me to delay the evaluation because the service department was busy. He suggested a date two months away. I signed up for that later appointment and dropped my truck off seven days ago. The service advisor said the repair could take up to a month. I contacted the dealership today to ask if the tech had looked at my truck yet. The service advisor said the tech had not looked at it yet and it could now take up to two months to get my truck back because they were so busy. He suggested that I take my truck to another local dealership. I told him that this is the dealership I bought the truck from. I appreciate that the service departments are very busy. I'm starting to wonder if they just don't want to do the warranty work on my truck and want to delay until the warranty expires. Not sure what options I have. Just want to get the vehicle fixed before the warranty expires. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

[@ReignitedAuto]

One thing to rest easy about: you already have the vehicle at the dealer with the stated concern on it. This predates the expiration of the warranty, thus even if the warranty date expires while the vehicle is there it will be covered. Also to ease your mind, warranty work is reimbursed by the factory to the dealership, so the dealers get paid for the work either way, whether it is warranty or not, so they really don't care which it is. I'd say it just sounds like they are being lazy. I wouldn't allow them to shunt you to another dealer though. Stick by your guns and keep on them until they at least diagnose the issue and order parts. Parts delivery is out of their hands on how long it will take, but they need to at least get the process started by diagnosing it.

[@dashdriver3711]

Thank you very much sir! That helps.@@ReignitedAuto

[@gcovete1642]

Got a 2019 Ram with a 5.7 Hemi. Runs great, bought extended warranty and use it to replaced lifters on both sides at 40k and 89k km. Also changed the exhaust manifolds on both sides warranty of course. All running smooth now.

[@rtwynn24]

kia had a similar problem with some engine seizing at the crank they ended up having to replace lot of engines

[@marionoliver6004]

Unfortunately cam/lifter failure just happened to me at 90,000 miles. 2017 Ram 1500 Express. Definitely stressful and put me in a bind monetarily. Great video as always

[@1antisupercat]

How many idle hours and driving hours do you have?

[@marionoliver6004]

@@1antisupercat not sure about the idle hours. Will have to look up on my scanner. Not a daily driver nor a fleet vehicle

[@AA-eg4fp]

What oil do you use? And when do you change the oil?

[@Moment2Forever]

If you cant afford to replace the engine and transmission of the vehicle it means you're driving a vehicle that's too expensive for you. Get paid better or switch to a cheaper vehicle.

[@marionoliver6004]

@@Moment2Forever Huh? I don't care what profession your in $10,000-15-000 dollars makes a huge dent in ones pocket. Unless your a millionaire. I am not. I am a plumbing foreman with a wife,4 kids and a mortgage.

[@micksquirrel7248]

could you recommend an aftermarket cam and lifters please. would it be a good idea to run a magnetic sump plug ?

[@derekprice5510]

I'm OK with, this year I bought a super clean nice 2014 Ram 1500 with a bad cam/lifters for a great price. I installed a new cam with the updated lifters and it runs great.

[@Moment2Forever]

Could you do a video about the mds coast down tick, which happens as you coast in mds mode between 1200 and 1500 rpms. It makes the same sound as a coasting bicycle. Why and how replacing the cam.phaser fixes it and your experience with it as a tech.

[@tomcooper920]

Thanks for the info on this. I was wondering if a lawsuit was going to be filed or not. Where it only goes back to 2014 I wonder if they thought they would have a better chance of winning if the cut off line was within a shorter time frame.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Tom I think you're right. I was thinking that they might be worried that casting the net too big would nullify their claims. But I think that's the wrong way to go about it. Based on how everything is worded I really don't think they have a Chrysler tech helping them, feels like there's a lot of slight misinformation in there, and stuff like that can sink their case.

[@markpontes4457]

I think they should have gone back to 2009 and say that Chrysler n Knew this was a problem since 2009 and still has not really fixed the problem and continue to sell a defective product that they should have addressed!

[@pierrepoitras1798]

Warm it up, drive it hard, and cool it down. Go Hemi!

[@Jaysequipment8492]

Best way to drive it, also tune it and get rid of the MDS

[@scico3140]

With the twin charged magnum can you sorta do it in a diy way with a price breakdown and maybe a detailed tuning video. Maybe put links to parts if you can. My goal is to turbo my magnum. Thanks for all the cool hemi content.

[@user-zx2cr8ok8m]

Thank you for the information. I am part of the lawsuit. My engine totally failed at 112000 miles about 200 miles previous we did all of the top and engine repairs costing me close to $8000. Please keep us updated on any further developments on this lawsuit.

[@jaredglass2562]

Does anybody have any good examples of high mileage rams with no issues. Mine is a 2013 with 142k on it and it has been ticking ( I assume exhaust manifold) for the last 110k miles. I have had no issues at all except the valve body in the trans got stopped up at 80k and water in one of the headlights .

[@zcooper]

Interesting. I appreciate your thoughts. Personally I don't see this lawsuit really going anywhere. The Hemi is overall a great motor and I think that the lifter issue is so much less prominent than it is made out to be on the internet. I love my Hemi in my RAM and I wouldn't trade it for any other truck!

[@aggie7756]

Yep, I agree. Same here with my 2013 RAM. 114k miles and going strong.

[@ReignitedAuto]

I have to agree Zac, although I'd like to see them get some traction, I don't think it's going to happen.

[@budlanctot3060]

If Chrysler wasn't going to replace the 2.7L v6 grenade-engines when they failed catastrophically, I don't see them replacing these Hemis.

[@corey5291]

Yeah see my SRT 6.4 failed at 116,000 kms

[@aaaaaaab11]

I am very happy with my 2019 DT Rebel Air loaded no problems.

[@DependableAutoTruck]

i also have installed more LS cam and lifters than hemi and i work on more dodges than anything

[@racer2c]

GM is getting sued for their lifter issue too. Harrison v. GM

[@NPrez-cv4jn]

The problem seems to be a design flaw related to the oil pump that enables an accelerated degenerative mechanical issue. Which causes lifter failure and costs several thousands dollars to repair or even motor replacement.

[@bobbycone2]

Yep. My 6.4L 2012 just started ticking bad and after al the research I've been doing the last week or so it looks like I'm in for a new cam and lifters. Ugh!

[@shawnwright7804]

I woupd be really interested in hearing your opinion on the Hemi oil being changed to 0W20 from 5W20

[@qp9194]

Hey you're very knowledgeable, and I enjoy your channel. I was wondering how much you'll charge to rebuild my 2010 charger srt8?

[@whiteknucklestormchasing]

I had a seized lifter in my 2011 Hemi at 108k miles. New factory engine installed . At 81k miles I just had a valve spring break on the #5 cylinder while on the hwy at 75mph. Lucky no damage was done. Trying to figure out if I should replace all the springs now.

[@otisdriftwood8469]

I believe the crank is to far from the camshaft, it doesn't get oil at idle. Look at the distance compared to old hemis, its considerable. And that makes sense.

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

You tuber Uncle Tony made a video about it

[@michaeldominguez7329]

Cylinder 5 lifter gave out on me this past week. 2011 Grand Cherokee with 129,xxx....just started the misfire Friday, hopefully I caught it early enough

[@Jpm928]

I feel like owners should band together and pile on to help this case. For instance help the attorneys reshape their argument so it’s not immediately shut down since fca only has to disprove what they’re saying specifically not that there isn’t a problem.

[@rtdreep]

Thank you for this very informative video. My 3.6L engine in my Charger suffered from this, and I paid for the repair myself (using Melling rockers & lifters and OEM camshafts). I'm seeking reimbursement for at least half of the cost of the repair based on Warranty Bulletin D-14-12, but Dodge is saying that that warranty is expired for my car, which is not true (it's 9 years old, 106K miles). I've asked Dodge to show me where in the warranty bulletin that an expiration date exists. Awaiting their answer.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

I think a lot of the issues are because to many buy the cheapest oil that is on sale this week, I have owned several Hemi Rams and never had an issue, but I have always ran the highest quality oil, in my case I run Redline Group 5 Ester synthetic oil. I think due to the tolerances in todays engines to enable them to meet EPA requirements you really need the highest quality oil to ensure you remain problem free.

[@Jpm928]

While I agree and you’re running arguably the best oil for this engine, I don’t feel like owners should have to be chemical engineers to maintain a truck. It’s not a race car. I have a collapsed lifter now and I’ve followed the recommended specs the entire time I’ve had the truck. nothing but penzoil ultra platinum with fram xg10060 (part of the issue I’m finding out) changed religiously every 5k.

[@ryang6311]

I think the biggest help to the plaintiffs would be for them to get a few large police, sheriff, or state trooper departments that have had these failures prior to the factory warranty period ending. The reason I think the plaintiffs went with 2014 and newer is that the average miles driven is just over 12,000 per year and this would make the average miles of vehicles in these years 100,000 miles or less. Personally, I think Chrysler will settle this out of court since the Hemi engines are nearing the end of their production and it will more than likely be cheaper to offer an "extended warranty" specifically for the lifters than to go through litigation.

[@Clounman]

Should I consider a cam lifter change at 100,000km (60,000 miles)on my 2017 ram?

[@jw-hy5nq]

It may have been covered in an ordered recall. The V65 Honda motorcycle engines in the early 80's had a similar problem with the cams. The surfaced hardened material of the cam lobe would rapidly wear and then the softer inner material would destroy itself. Honda was ordered to replace all the cams in the effected bikes (several years worth)

[@brucebeamer2298]

Was curious if the master cam kits came with stock lifters or are they upgraded?

[@nickdawg27]

Very informative and also concerning to me as I own a 2015 Ram 1500 sport with 65 k miles now experiencing a rough idle as well as piston slap. The exhaust manifold bolts and gaskets have been replaced twice for the infamous "hemi tick" . I have expressed my concern with these noises to the dealership of purchase and the response I get is that it's normal... It has been maintained religiously .. Not sure what to do at this point.

[@20TIL6]

I have a 08 Ram1500 with 5.7 hemi with MDS. I haven’t had the lifter/cam tick. I do have the broken exhaust manifold bolt tick that stops when the engine warms up. I have always run mid grade gasoline as specified in the manual (89 octane or higher) and I’ve changed oil and oil filter every 5k miles like clockwork. Just a data point to offer.

[@David-qf9gp]

What are your thoughts on the OEM 2 piece center support driveshaft failures covering the Challenger, Charger, etc.?

[@01abihsot]

The hemi tick is just like the death wobble Chrysler will never admit that they have a problem

[@scico3140]

Cant wait for next magnum videos!

[@richieb74]

Do those mds solenoids supply any oil when all 8 cylinders are firing? I read somewhere that they still supply luberacation about 4psi worth and when mds is activated it gives full oil pressure and presses the pins in on the lifters with oil pressure. I hope that’s true but I don’t know if it is. I worry there’s no lube for the lifter bores while in v8 mode

[@robertm7957]

You should try to pour engine oil in a large bowl and dump the valve lifters in the bowl fill with engine oil. Let valve lifters soaked in engine oil and push rods until air bubbles stop before install in the engine.

[@Jpm928]

Same trick I used on my Miata saved soooo much headache

[@darthphabe8216]

Had my 2010 ram 1500 chk engine light come on a lil after 120K. Misfire code. Dealer charged me 5K for 1 cylinder head replacement. Feel like I still hear a tick at low speeds but that could be the Injectors like you stated.

[@burntkorn]

The dealership in Mobile Alabama absolutely told me that the tick was normal because Hemi engines have a large oil pan! Yes that’s what he said.

[@ReignitedAuto]

😂 he wins the award for the most ridiculous reason!

[@mrk8799]

Just a thought but if the lifter wear is cause by a lack of oil pressure during idle. Would increasing the rpm during duration of prolong idle situation prevent the early wear of these parts. A further note, is that something somebody could program their computer to do. ie, hit a certain pressure at set duration for set time to solve this wear.

[@bruceisz2664]

How long after hearing the tick could a expect a misfire to come along? I have always had some sort of tick since I owned for about 40k mi . Just finally fixed the broken manifold bolt on passengerside only, tick on cold start went away . But still I hear a slight tick when next to a wall or up close when hot.... being a 2013 ram 1500 with 140k on it, it wouldn't be very smart to spend 15k on a new engine... when that's more than the value and its rusty already.. If you live in the rust belt, check to make sure the holes are tapped closed behind the rocker panels.. or it will rust from inside out

[@HemiMike]

Yes! Question.: i ve been told my ticking is from injectors. Ans it is a normal sound. Well if so every lifter failing ticking sound Ive heard sound about the same...no?

[@ReignitedAuto]

I'll be honest, they sound very similar. The primary way I tell them apart is the injector noise is very regular while lifter tick can sound almost intermittent.

[@amstaffmike80]

Would you recommend pulling the oil control valve on a used hemi we plan on purchasing to see if it has the problem?

[@ReignitedAuto]

I think that's a great idea 👍

[@joshkrause2977]

2015 ram 140k no lifter issues, but I deactivate the mds using manual mode on my zf trans.

[@Redfour5]

"Star Case" In July 2020 I had three months left on a lease (2015 Outdoorsman) 60K miles. It was cheaper to wait and pay off the lease than pay it off early. I had it in at 60K for a bolt replacement for the hemi tick (second time). I asked about trade in and they offered 13K for my truck. I paid it off decided to keep it till 100K. Then towed a trailer on a 3500 mile trip June 2021 and the truck shut off at speed three times telling me to restart without throwing a code, on the highway, pulling a trailer in traffic. Got home, took it in and they couldn't figure it out made it a "star case" as I heard them say that to each other. A soon to be retired tech friend of mine from back home said it was likely in the ignition system and with the "tick" issues (twice including one manifold under the 100K warranty) I'd had he personally would get rid of it. They told me they had to wait for a tech from FCA...but, they offered me 27K trade in on the truck...with the problem... There were no incentives on new ones, but the trade in was so good, It easily offset any incentives. I took the deal...

[@samdorchester2524]

That’s basically what I did also but with less miles on my truck.

[@boduke2522]

do i use break in procedure 2000 - 2500 rpm with comp cam break in oil for 20 minutes when i replace cam lifters on my 5.7

[@MM_in_Havasu]

Both my 5.7 hemis are running perfectly, the '12 Challenger M6 engine has 127K on it and still runs like new, and the '14 300C engine has 72K on it and it hauls ass, and also shows no sign of letting up either. MDS has been shut off in the Chrysler, and I keep AmsOil synthetics in both vehicles, keeps them running happily.😎

[@rafaelvergara1984]

The uconnect delaminating screen is getting brought up also

[@user-od2cp5ir4y]

have a 2012 Durango with 192000 and NO tick other than injector pulse BUT having issue with cam timing , Getting ready to do cam gear ,chain and other items . have changed cam sensor & crank sensor has helped AS said no cam issues. Question to you could have anything to do with California emissions with no cam failure . VVT solenoid clean but oring did crack causing code for it and screen was clean .

[@mikevan803]

Hi, I have an 2008 ram 5.7 and a 2005 Durango engine the 08 engine dropped a valve seat. I would like to make the Durango engine a MDS I'm assuming the block has the machine work to make it MDS, am I correct?

[@elvistello3918]

Sorry to change the subject, but is it normal for my oil temperature to be at 240 degrees with out towing anything and cooling temperature at 227 dealer ship says it’s normal what are your thoughts? Thank you

[@devoncarroll74]

I have an 09 dodge challenger srt8 6.1L 6 speed manual and I actually had this issue. Lifter on cylinder 3 seized and degraded the cam lobe to the point of misfiring and it wasn't opening the valve properly and spun rod bearings on piston number 7 and 8. I ended up having to replace the cam, a set of lifters, Rod bearings, and all the timing components. My car only had 50k miles. Cost me about a grand out of pocket for everything.

[@agentmuzz]

I think the Hemi tick issue is more of a reflection of a greater issue on how vehicles are maintained in general. The maintenance per mile measure is flawed. It should be and should have always been maintenance per hours of operation. That is how all other industries track it (aircraft, construction, manufacturing...). As you have pointed out repeatedly, the vehicles with the problems are mostly fleet types and have high idle time, where mileage based maintenance is not reflecting true maintenance required.

[@jlbush8249]

They are not mostly fleet vehicles. Any one I know you has had/have the 6.4 say theirs ticks, loudest on cold start, but never goes away.

[@johngalt176]

My non MDS 2012 Ram 5.7 hemi lifters went out and damaged 2 cam lobes. I was unlucky enough to get the exhaust manifold leak Twice.

[@davidmicheal8007]

I have a 2011 ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi the cam, and lifters failed 80,000 miles. While I was in the dealership, they had 7 other Rams with the same problem the mechanic told told me this is a very common problem for these motors .

[@transmitterguy478]

Just install a Hellcat oil pump like you said in a previous video. MY 2015 1500 5.7 HAS 37 PSI AT IDLE WARM

[@feelingloopy6643]

Im dealing with issue now with my 09 ram 1500. Lesson learned. When the truck starts misfiring and you are not a mechanic, just replace the engine. What happened to mine is started off with cylinder 3 misfire. I tried to save money by replacing cam and lifters. After putting it back together, cylinder misfire gone on 3 but multiple misfires appeared out of the blue code P0300. I am now at a loss compared to if just changed the engine.

[@Desert_Explorer75]

Had the Hemi tick developing in my 17 2500 6.4. No metal in oil, no metal in filter, even had a sample sent to Blackstone and they saw no evidence of wear or metal. Shop says I have a collapsed lifter on cylinder 7. I heard what you said about the oil pump. Should I replace the lifters and cam or full engine?

[@joelrodriguez7038]

Brother I love the ram 1500 hemi but if this going to be a problem I tried to others trucks?

[@kenullman6347]

They replaced my cam and lifters only at 60k miles after removing the OCV and finding metal shavings, 10k miles after rebuild it started doing it again and they refuse to do anything until it throws engine codes even though the repair was defective! I will never buy another Chrysler product!

[@kiingrashaad392]

Currently getting a new engine bc of the lifter and cam issue, thank god for warranty

[@Arthagnou]

as soon as they switched to the deactivated piston setup, the tick started happening, so something in that combination is a problem.

[@Joshcheyka]

wrong, my 04 has been through a few lifter setups. Despite that my other hemi engines have gone almost 300,000 miles.

[@davidleslie949]

Excellent informative video as per usual. I do have a question regarding my 2017 ram 1500 with the 5.7 L. I currently have 113,000 miles or in Canadian 182,000 km on my vehicle as single owner of this vehicle since day one I've all but two times neglected to change my oil at the correct oil change interval, as per Chrysler, which is in my opinion stretching it too far. That being said all but two times I've used thetic 5W 20 motor oil typically Pennzoil and then later realizing that mobile one 5W 20 and they are oil filter are the best combination that I found for oil pressure, fuel economy with an excellent auditive package included with the mobile 1 synthetic engine oil. a bit of history with my driving mainly or approximately 60% highway with minimal idle times as my daily driver. I would say the last 50,000 km I was changing my oil I vote every 8000 km or 5000 miles so as it got older I started to change your way more frequently even though it was synthetic and I've now started to use the mobile, one high mileageoil 5w20. I've never strayed from the 5W 20 OEM oil grade as per Chrysler. I've also on several instances utilized oil additives of various brands throughout my oil, change history, such as ZD, which was a zinc, anti-wear additive. I've performed 2 engine oil flushes had extremely widely separated intervals 100,000 km and 150,000 km approximately with the second engine oil flush being of the better too from a company in Albuquerque New Mexico they make an engine oil flush additive and then they also have one for your fuel tank as per Scotty Killmore swears by it so I tried them out and my oil pressure and fuel economy definitely got better knowingly going to about 10,000 miles there before an oil change is when I used it on the next oil change. I've always used additives and top to your gasoline of 87 octane for my vehicle. Since day one I've been using a K & N air filter in which I clean and spray as per the manufacturer recommendations. I have no modifications to my RAM 1500. With all of that information I've given you at this point my vehicle does not have the HEMI TIC as per your guidelines describing the 4 common misdiagnosed HEMI TIC. I'd say the only thing is when I started up in the morning that I notice ticking noise for about 2 or 3 minutes. I believe that's just the engine waking up expansion and contraction cold oil getting to the hydraulic lifters and eventually it goes away after three minutes when everything warms up. With all of the information I've given you now comes the million dollar question?Would you put in a new cam and lifter kit (OEM or aftermarket) if up to this point there is no evidence of any metal to metal cam and lifter wear or HEMI TICK noise at the 115,000 mile odometer reading today? Your all out of lifelines. This is not a multiple-choice question. Only 1 answer can be given based on though information provided. Your 60 seconds starts now! [e-mail]

[@Linkziz]

The 3.6 roller rocker failure is way more common than a hemi lifter failure. We do 3.6 cams at my dealer all the time.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Those rockers are real pieces of crap 😂

[@DependableAutoTruck]

another thing i replaced a 2014 6.4 Hemi engine in a ram 3500 one time i bought the complete engine it had intake, sparkplugs, coils, exhaust manifolds, water pump, had oil in it they called it a assembly line motor it was $7,500 and a $250 core charge i kept the core

[@JohnnieHelms]

My son's work has many hemi powered 350's, common problem has been camshafts breaking. They are changing to diesel power, still having major problems just different from the hemi. By the way take a good look at the combustion camber, it looks almost identical to the ford 6.2, neither one looks like a hemi head.

[@thunderjet4294]

Ok let me ask you a question I have ligetamately taken my 06 Chrysler 300c 5.7 to 7 different dealers and 6 other shops and they can't find the issue. The car has no check engine codes but it will surge and eventually stall at idle it will surge from 500 rpm to 950 rpm can you point me in a direction? The car has 112k miles and has had a replacement engine at 74k miles according to car fax and it seems under powered when it's over 95 degrees outside

[@rickwalters6014]

I hate to hear bad stories about legendary engines. This was a good, logical & experienced presentation. Inferior OE parts are unfortunately a reality. Many times they come from a second party supplier. If they fail within warranty you’re likely to get the same part installed again and again until warranty expires. At which point the customer gets to choose how to repair the situation. On my personal vehicle, the dealership replaced the wheel bearings once within the warranty period. When they failed again on schedule, I substituted quality aftermarket market parts installed correctly. These bearings are still in service 200,000 miles later. There was no recall or direct/immediate safety issue just poor bearing quality for whatever reason. That is just the way it goes. Make it through warranty and give your best mechanic a call and they will know what to do. New subscriber here.

[@samdorchester2524]

A engine cost more than bearings.

[@rickw.9298]

@@samdorchester2524 And if you marry the wrong woman, that’ll cost more than an engine. That’s life.

[@davidchiusano5690]

Interesting. Never noticed it before in my 2016 or 2019 JGC. Just picked up my 2022 Dodge Durango Hemi. You mentioned MDS. Does a disengaged ECO mode also disengage the MDS? Would love a definitive answer on how not to drive with MDS. Thank you!

[@index6738]

Mopar was attending to weak lifter roller needle failure around 2016, and definitely settled on Heavy duty Hellcat lifters by 2019. MDS is not cause. Relax.

[@seanmclone1361]

2016 Ram 88,000 mile. Bought extended warranty. Warranty company sending used motor with 78,000 miles to replace. Why would they keep using same pushrods with bearing? What happened to the old pushrods with no needle bearings

[@lukefuchs4059]

Question, I have a 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 thats currently at the dealer for a new tick/knock that I noticed 3 weeks before getting it to the dealer at 49k miles. The tech agreed with the noise and they pulled the valve cover. They checked the oil control valve and said its clear/ok. They then said they checked the lifters and didnt see any wear BUT they are going to replace the lifters anyways on the passenger side ONLY becuase they believe theres a "lazy lifter". Is this good practice? They didnt say anything about the camshaft and I dont believe they even looked at it since they claim they didnt see the lifters damaged. How are they even replacing the lifters if they dont see any damage?.. is it ok to just replace the lifters on one side and not replace the other side and/or camshaft? Thanks

[@ReignitedAuto]

Hey Luke, the actual question here is what is the dealership actually allowed to do? As a tech at a dealer, we are actually very limited as to what we can replace or not replace. Basically, since they tore the engine down on that one side and didn't see any failed lifters, they will basically have to say that they found a "lazy" lifter in order to get paid for their work by the Manufacturer. If they didn't at least replace the lifters on that one side then Dodge would not pay them for what they've done so far. On the flip side of this, Dodge could deny the claim altogether if they replaced ALL of the lifters without seeing an actual failure. It's a pretty stupid system honestly. The dealers are so restricted that they are unable to take care of the customer properly. This is something that's not often realized, that it's not the dealer that is saying no, it's the manufacturer. My thoughts: Mechanically there's no issue with only replacing the lifters on one side. I'm a little surprised they didn't find a way to put a full set of lifters in there anyway while they are there. Unless they only tore down the passenger side for inspection. The good news for you is that now you have a documented repair order that there is a tick/knock issue. If this repair doesn't address the noise then they will have to go further with repairs to fix it. It's basically a step they have to take first. A pain for you, but it covers them financially. Secondly, if you feel like there is a noise still present after the vehicle goes out of warranty by a short period of time, say 6 months or 3,000 miles be sure to contact the dealer and show them the previous issues and repairs you've had and there's a possibility that you could get more repairs covered under a goodwill warranty repair.

[@TazzieeTazziee]

I have a 2019 Dodge Durango RT I brought it used with 12k & have had it for 3 yrs & it has 30k on it now. I do have a very noisy Starr up which bothers the heck out of me but does go away when the oil circulated. I've heard about this hemi tick from a dodge dealership mechanic so I thought it wasn't something to be concerned with but after watching this video I'm concerned! I don't know if there's any type of preventive measure that can be done beside don't let it idle to long OR can an engine additive be added that might help or slow it down?? Something like ZMAX etc??? What's your thoughts?

[@stuartstuart866]

It seems to me that engines in the 60’s and 70’s typically lasted about 100,000 miles. Since then, manufacturers in the automotive industry have developed some engines capable of 300,000 miles. We have gotten used to long life (well over 100,00 mile) engines being somewhat routine, and anything less is no longer okay with owners.

[@jeremypike9153]

I agree I've heard routinely as a technician about the days of 50,000-75,000 mile engines.

[@ReignitedAuto]

You're absolutely right, cue all the comments about how the engines in the 70's are better/more reliable 😄 People have faulty memories

[@budlanctot3060]

I think the old mopar engines could easily last 200k miles IF they had EFI back then. It's the excess raw fuel of old school carburetors which limited longevity on them.

[@douglasshriver52]

@@budlanctot3060 you are correct

[@samdorchester2524]

Engines should not have knocking issues before 10,000 miles or even 50,000 miles.

[@carloquinn5233]

And this is why I recently decided not to buy a Challenger SRT-8! Thanks for the info.

[@NPrez-cv4jn]

Hi! Just watched this video as I’m looking for information on this issue. My 2014 1500 5.7 Ram just started ticking at 85k miles. Very annoying to learn this can cost a couple of thousand dollars to repair. I’d like to know if the lawsuit is still ongoing. At the very least Chrysler should provide for free the new parts for the repairs, the owner has to cover labor.

[@Donteatthehomies949]

5.7 challenger with 6.4 cam build on the dyno that'd be a great vid

[@ReignitedAuto]

I wish I still had the car to be honest. Sold it to a friend of mine, now I want to buy it back so I can finish that build!

[@josearrvizo359]

Will this happen to a 2007 1500 ram 5.7 I have 289,000 and I just put the Melling 10342 oil pump plus the Timing chain and does mine have this problem or even the MDS ON THE 07 but other then this it was my oil pump that went out I was going to get the hellcat pump but with 289miles already I done spent to much money only thing how much more life u think I have on it but it sounds good just like a click noise that sounds like the fuel injectors

[@jlalvarado024]

I was told that ticking was normal. Months later I was on the high way and engine stalled in the middle of the road. Spent 3 grand. I hope they win and make a class action lawsuits

[@ecaste0195]

I have a 2022 challenger r/t - I bought with 0 miles - and 2 months later with only 2000 miles it already started presenting with the tick and while driving on the highway at 80 mph the engine completely shut off and now dodge doesn’t want to consider it a safety hazard. This is wrong and a faulty product. Hemi may have had a great reputation but it’s going down the drain. I am talking to the attorneys dealing with the class action.