Will This FINALLY FIX Hemi Tick?

[@ReignitedAuto]

Please watch my NEWEST video to get the very latest info on this issue! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5jTdqqhibt2o6csi=Zh-s2MnZE5fdGmmM

[@jonh2408]

Hi SKY, I did the exact same test (out of curiosity) on my 2014 grand cherokee. Oddly my PSI readings (taken from my dash info as I didn't have a scan tool) were a little different. Cold start - 55 PSI Cold 3500 rpm - 78 PSI Full temp idle - 35 PSI Full temp 3500 rpm - 54 PSI I admit I was surprised (but happy) to see my idle pressure never went into the 20's like on your 2008. I wonder if the pressure info displayed on the dash would be the same readings you'd get from a scan tool? I also wonder if the oil pump on the grand cherokee would be a higher volume than the one on the car? I also use penzoil ultra platinum fully synthetic oil and am religious about my oil changes at 5000km. I have seen another video which shows the bearings used in the lifters were changed in 2014 and appear to be significantly bigger. Another video suggests that if mds is activated frequently, it actually helps that lifter get more lubrication when it's in the down position. If this is the case, my long highway trips may have helped. Wondering what your thoughts on that is?

[@ReignitedAuto]

@jonh2408 yes the 09+ engines have a slightly higher volume oil pump than the previous version, your PSI numbers are pretty consistent with what you'd see from a pump that's in good shape. 👍 And you're absolutely right, allowing the MDS to work as it should allows more oil flow to the lifters versus turning the system off. I'll have a more in depth video discussing all the details of the MDS system and its oiling properties out in the next two weeks!

[@TheReckoningYard]

@@ReignitedAuto I know this is older, but i was wondering if the 08 and older oil pickup tube fit the hellcat pump or did you have to modify something there as well? Thanks for all you do with the hemi, Man!

[@IsurvivedAntiochCA]

I say this in all sincerity, thank you for your dedication. I feel like most “full-time” KZbinrs would’ve looked at the task of retrofitting that hellcat pump and just said f!ck it. For you to take the time to follow through is seriously impressive to me.

[@Beaches_south_of_L.A.]

Teachers pet. 🤣

[@TristynRusselo]

stock: cold: 49 F idle: 58 psi 3500: 75 psi hot: 210 F idle: 20 psi 3500: 58 psi melling: cold: 54 F idle: 85 psi 3500: 99 psi hot: 210 F idle: 37 psi 3500: 85 psi hellcat mod: cold: 46 F idle: 89 psi 3500: 99 psi hot: 208 F idle: 43 psi 3500: 90 psi

[@TristynRusselo]

Just released December 2021 - Melling M342HV high volume oil pump

[@mrstrangerdanger5741]

@@TristynRusselo how is high volume compared to the hellcat ome

[@TristynRusselo]

@@mrstrangerdanger5741 watch at 23:11 he talks about vane thickness, stock 03-08 12.5mm, 09-current 14mm, hellcat 16mm, melling HV 15mm.

[@richardgarris9305]

Never apologized for a Long detailed episode. Great content. I definitely will be looking into the melling hv pump on both my pre eagle hemis very soon. Can't wait for the eagle heads conversion videos. Keep up the great content. 🤘🤘🤘

[@jerrymathis]

I’m afraid to say this out loud…🤞🏻 I have a 2013 ram 1500 HIMI. I just hit 200,000 miles. I have not had a single problem out of this truck, no tick ever! The only thing I’ve done is ,change the oil every 5000 miles, rotate the tires, replace tires, replace brake’s , coolant flush 3 times I think, transmission flush twice. This has been the best running vehicle I have ever owned by far! Everything is bone stock. Maybe I’m just lucky, I don’t know. But the engine still runs like new, so does the transmission. I’m hoping to get another 200,000 out of it.🤞🏻💪🏻 I love my truck!

[@dodge73dart]

I’m curious about your truck and how you drive it? Is it mostly highway miles with little to no idling? If that’s the case that may be why you haven’t had that problem.

[@tanamaraqueen2906]

​@@dodge73dartlucky but yes might be that I have the same truck 145k miles I do the oil change tires and all but I am a merchandiser so I drive everyday in mostly city and highway stop and go on and off ECT and I have had to replace the thermo do two rad flushes replace the damn brakes every 10 months lol and now the oil pump or sensor havng issues

[@wanderdworld]

What weight oil and brand do you run?

[@SMIB357SQ]

I’m now doing my lifters 2016 ram 1500 5.7 260k heavy towing oil change every 5k to 7k miles

[@HansBelphegor]

​@@dodge73dart 2016 392 stroker ram 97k miles but it's modified with the mellings pump. Tow, deliverys, and even bed load delivery's

[@tommccue3687]

Thank you so much for your hemi tick content, the oil pump comparisons with cold and operating temperature oil pressure measurements, as well as the camshaft and lifter replacement video. It was easier than I thought! I have some experience as a mechanic in the military from years ago, well stocked tool carts, and a 2013 Charger R/T with 197,000 miles sporting the usual symptoms of the lift failure including misfires. I took this on and replaced cam, lifters, and used a new Hellcat oil pump. I had the same improved oil pressure results you showed on this video. I am so thankful for the great information and being able to see you perform many of the necessary tasks. I have my car back and it runs great again. I have the confidence that I will not have to perform this cam and lifter replacement again. Thank you. Merchandise order coming soon! Thank you. TM

[@ReignitedAuto]

Love the success stories! 👊

[@irltrolls5271]

What type of hellcat oil pump?

[@js12278]

Gives us THREE oil pump readings 👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥 probably took an hour for him to do the pump swaps, awesome information video. It’s always been about volume, more oil the better. Keep it up!

[@MM_in_Havasu]

Excellent tutorial on oil pump swaps! All this info is very useful. I personally think that using a hi-volume oil pump, either Hellcat or Melling's unit, will certainly help the lifter issues. Thanks for the great video!

[@ralphvalkenhoff2887]

Can’t thank you enough for showing us the results of your hard work.

[@mattraz87]

I have an '05 Chrysler 300c and your videos are insanely helpful! Keep dishing out the HEMI vids, man!!!

[@IssaqAl-Ahmed]

I 100% believe that the lifter failures seen on hemis is related to effective lubrication. I had no idea the idle pressures could get that low at temp. This was a hugely insightful video both for understanding the root cause of the problem and the steps that can be taken to mitigate against it (avoid idle and higher flow pumps). Massive kudos for putting in all that work to put this video together! Great vid!

[@joeperry8518]

Great informative video! I love using stock parts whenever possible to upgrade but until you buy the parts and try it you never really know if it will work. Thanks for the time effort and money you put into this one and I did like the longer video!

[@ReignitedAuto]

What do you think? Are you convinced that this mod will fix the lifter issues?

[@PotatoeJoe69]

I'm skeptical too be honest. I simply run Redline 10w30 and my oil pressure has never went below 38psi, on a 97 degree day after doing a 0-130 pull lol. Typically my oil PSI sits around 44-46 when hot and idling. Edit: I should also mention my water temp was 243 for what that's worth

[@Casey2037]

On my RAM 1500, if I tune my idle to be a bit higher, is that a decent temporary solution to low oil pressure or is it pointless?

[@mx1rx1nc-llc13]

nope, it wont fix the lifter issue. The hemi tick came from the Bermuda triangle.

[@shawnh2870]

Nope. However it is a good upgrade. More volume more lubrication. I'm more convinced that it has alot to do with overall engine and oil Temps. 195 t stat and a oil cooler would help alot in my un educated opinion. I'm personally running 5w30 year round hee in canada. Only 45k miles on my 17 5.7 ram so wish me luck.

[@Tumbleweed_Tx]

if low oil pressure at idle is the problem, then this will cure it. I have a question about oil pressure sending units. Mine failed (13 Charger 5.7), and the replacement I was sent still shows oil pressure at a constant 99psi. The OBD2 reader says that the voltage range is not what the computer is expecting to see. The part number I was expecting is 5149062AA, people keep sending me 5149062AB. The Chrysler TSB says to use 5149062AA... What is the difference between the two part numbers?

[@re-geargarage]

Great video. Give this guy some subs. That was both a lot of work and money. I’m sure KZbin isn’t paying all his bills yet. Plus a lot of other guys would’ve broke this into several videos. I’m in the middle of rebuilding a 05 hemi and appreciate this testing

[@pireina1]

Hi Sky. I have question. I have a 2020 Ram 1500 5.7 and at temp of 89 outside, oil temp of 221 coolant temp 212. 600 rpm idle my oil pressure is 33 steady and 60 psi at 3500 rpm. Do you think it worth the upgrade? Maybe they have already improved something here. Great video, keep them coming.

[@joeuscanga7235]

Extremely informative video. Your time, dedication and honesty are greatly appreciated Sir. In the Cummins/Ram arena we just went through a similar situation with the high pressure fuel pumps and the entire CP-4 National recall that forced Ram to replace this fuel pumps. They decided to go back to the old reliable CP-3 Pumps...🏆

[@ReignitedAuto]

You know it! I've done probably 100 of those retrofit kits so far on the ram trucks. No idea why they made the change in the first place, the cp3 is just better. 👍

[@tylerm.3003]

Holy cow! Thank you so much for this. Been following this since you covered it a few months ago. I've got a 13' ram 1500 and been worrying about the lifters. Been keeping my idle times low and oil changes regularly. Great video sir!

[@dbrandon4528]

Turning off the MDS with a Hand held tuner is what you need

[@kirbyspencer538]

@@TravisTheSavage I have a 2022 Ram 1500 5.7L on the way, is that method (tow haul) better than using the gear limiter function engaged and set to speed '8'?

[@ITrustInDog]

@@kirbyspencer538 tow / haul does not disable MDS on my 2020 1500. The only way to disable MDS is to engage the gear limit and leave it at 8.

[@kirbyspencer538]

@@ITrustInDog Thank you sir.

[@jwhmerica504]

@@kirbyspencer538 when you get the truck go through the cluster on the dash and see what Oil pressure you have. I’ve got a 2020 rebel 5.7 and I’m never seen it go below 31psi at hot idle. I would think that would be okay pressure but I’m not sure. Also the lifter problem seems to not have anything to do with the mds but the lack of oil pressure at idle.

[@RollinIsbell]

I love your commitment to your viewers! Thank you for doing the heavy lifting for the rest of us.

[@brianmann986]

Just saw this @ recommendation of Ram Forum members. Outstanding work, thank you. I wasn't aware Ram upgraded the oil pump post-2009 model year, this obviously means they knew they had an insufficient oiling problem and lifter / cam failures. 20 psi idle oil pressure is marginal for any engine (GM's 8.1L V8 was notorious for this also), but often fatal for Hemi valve architecture. If the EVIC is to be believed, my 2017 Hemi shows 35 psi oil pressure @ hot idle, which is good for a non-Hemi engine. But we've seen lifter and cam failures in post-2009 Hemi engines also, which means it's still not sufficient for the inadequate oiling of the lifters and camshaft. in fact, raising the cam to fit the VVT cam phaser made it worse, with a lesser oil drainback angle. An oil pump change is too big a job for me at my age, but thanks anyway.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you watching Brian 👍

[@lovemyhemi5258]

Great video, learned a lot! Thank you for taking the time and expense for this comparison.

[@ianmastrangelo2427]

Awesome job!!!! Definitely like the looks of those increased pressure numbers. What kind of mileage do you think would be good idea to upgrade the oil pump? Thank you for all of your hard work :)

[@christopherdimotsis1024]

The sooner the better because low pressure and lower oil flow especially at idle can cause more engine wear no matter the mileage. So someone who doesn’t idle much won’t see as much of a impact. But it will definitely help with reliability when your pushing those horses racing for just trying to have fun and pushing the engine

[@microminiskirt]

Is this "HEMI TICK" problem still present on the new 2022 Dodge Challenger R/T Scatpack 392 and 2022 Challenger SXT V6 as well as the MDS problem on these new Dodge Challengers with the 8 spd. automatic transmissions?

[@connerschlindwein6432]

I’m a broke high school kid with a 2003 ram 1500 5.7 v8 hemi and I lve looked up countless KZbin videos, I had my lifters tap before and put additive in the oil and it went away and was almost non existent, because it was quiet and all the sudden it came back and was so much louder, it has 164,000 miles on it, help what can I do

[@MichaelBriceBTS]

Awesome Video! Great hands-on with actual historical data and test confirmation. If your doing a rebuild on a Gen III, throwing in an upgraded oil pump and new lifters makes sense. Better oil flow, frequent oil changes based on engine runtime hours with proper viscosity and quality oil should eliminate any potential hot idle lubrication issues. Great strategy to reduce any contributing factors leading to lifter roller failure and cam wear. Thanks so much for doing this. I enjoy your channel.

[@kimdavis5631]

The Hemi tick will never get fixed because the Hemi is a non-Toyota engine.

[@angelusmortis3256]

okay what would be your suggestion for someone with a brand new 5.7... should i wait until my warranty has expired do a hellcat oil pump mds delete and put new cams and lifters in with a nice tune basically go full bolt on at that point...? or debate with myself to sell the car before the warranty goes out...

[@jacobsebastien3910]

Just wait to see if something happens, Not all Hemi's has lifter failures.. they have Hemi's with 300+ thousand miles with engine never opened '

[@Krmcq1994]

Interesting because my stock 5.7 hemi 2016 at idle is around 35psi. Is there that much of a difference between the pre 2009 and the 2009+ engines?

[@ddo7802]

Thanks for your effort here, and really for all your HEMI tick related investigative videos. After watching this video, I started paying attention to my idle oil pressure. Today I was on the road for a while, then had to idle in a parking lot waiting for some people. At operating temperature 200 F or greater, it held at 35 psi. So, that's not too bad. Ill keep monitoring it though, especially on hotter days. Today was only 85 F

[@montoya727]

I don't think you could hear it enough. Thank you for doing this experiment. My 2018 Ram with the 5.7 runs at 33 PSI during idle at normal operating temperature. What do you consider an optimal oil pressure level on idle? I'm not sure if you covered a specific number in this video. Thank you!

[@bignickenergy723]

I would hope around 40 at least.

[@renebojorquez6630]

Just install a hellcat oil pump & hellcat lifters on my 14 Jeep srt 6.4 everything is working perfectly zero hemi tick with 85 psi on first start up👍🏽 thank you for your videos they’re very helpful a lot of good information

[@alexloeragallos]

May i know which pump did u use

[@stevekozlowski4994]

Good lord, thank you so much for making these videos. I feel like there’s a viable weapon for combating the hemi tick. If I bought a hellcat pump, what you estimate the labor cost of having it installed on a 2019 2500 PowerWagon 6.4L ?

[@BoostedMotorsports]

Awesome info! Thanks for going through all that to get the data 💪

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you coming over to check it out, love the builds you do 👍

[@Hennes003]

I just got my 5.7 done. Replaced lifters, cam, rockers and pushrods. Timing chain as well just because. I suggested to the shop to install a hellcat pump and he advised against it because the 5.7 isn't designed for it like the 6.4. I have a 2015 2500. I looked at the parts and there was nothing wrong with the lifter bearings but cam was scarred up on almost all of them but one worse then others. My oil pressure is at 55 psi cold and 45 at operating temperature. It seems to me that it was cam failure or oil failure that failed the cam. How about installing a high idle switch for longer idle times. Mechanic says the hellcat pump will blow out seals but you say that the engine has a venting system to prevent that. Anyway, I didn't get one installed but from now on I will go with 5w30 and Lucas and see where that takes me . Thanks for all your amazing videos. Been doing lots of research.

[@DouglasDever-i9o]

If this such a good idea, why wouldnt Ram have already made this change?

[@nemofatality1143]

making money. duh

[@7H3_23R0]

hi there I have 2010 Dodge Challenger SRT 6.1L what do you perfer? Melling #10342 (Standard Volume & High Pressure [+15 PSI]) or #10342HV (20% increase in Volume compared to the stock & 10% increase in Pressure compared to the stock) many thanks

[@414Chevy]

Very informative test. You can apply this to LS and Coyote engines also. I'm going to use a high volume pump on my LS3 stroker project when I start that, even though some argue you will use more HP to turn a high volume pump. I'd rather loose a couple of HP for more oil flow at idle any day. I did a high volume Melling on a '01 Jeep 4.0 inline 6 that had a scored up oil pump gear face and pump cover. Went from about 30-35 psi cold in 30* weather to about 70 psi cold in 30-90* weather. No more clacking of valve train at idle. BTW, the rotors on that pump were almost twice as long as the stock pump. Like a new engine, very happy.

[@jonh2408]

Your channel is pure gold for chrysler owners. Particularly those of us with the 5.7 engine. Your videos are clear, concise, and info packed!!. Thanks for breaking things down in a way regular guys can follow.

[@tomfletcher3817]

what do you think about putting 5W40 full syn into a MDS 6.4?

[@rickeyguy8200]

That was awesome ty very much That milling oil pump will work on a 04 Dodge Ram, hemi ?

[@pnwthings5419]

Thanks for the great information !! Thinking about doing this on my 17 ram 1500 but not exactly excited about wrestling with the pickup tube and oil pan.

[@javiermedina4953]

I said the same thing when I installed my 10295 hv melling oil pump on my 2002 Camaro ls6 engine. Bad pickup tube gasket. Was the real issue to lower oil pressure on it.

[@comradeyuri8492]

Dodge service tech I know had his 2015 Scat Pack cam fail at 40K miles give or take a few 100 either way. Th 6.4/392 Scat Pack engines use the larger oil pumps, so this is not the answer. One would think Chrysler would have drill some holes in the cam galley area for oil to drip down upon the cam ? Cheap quick fix that most likely require a resistor plug here or there.For Chrysler to sully their Hemi name due to a lack of action of this issue is amazing !?

[@cutlasssupreme508]

Amazing: Does The Melling Fit Directly To A 2008 Dodge Charger SRT8?

[@ReignitedAuto]

Direct fit 👍

[@cutlasssupreme508]

@@ReignitedAuto Watching you & others has given me the confidence to replace my own lifters, cam , & now oil pump. I need a crankshaft damper..

[@cutlasssupreme508]

Can I Reuse the Same head bolts?

[@autotechmike]

I thought about this issue as well especially on the police cars my thought was they could do a idle device that steps up the rpm slightly when parked kinda like the idle up on big trucks

[@ReignitedAuto]

I've actually heard about a few fleet companies who did this, it's definitely another way to achieve a similar result.

[@IcanDriveIt]

With the engine pumping all that oil, will it starve the pan at high rpm? I had a Mitsubishi 4g63 with a 100psi of oil pressure at 4000rpm and it was notorious for starving the oil pan and filling the head with oil (Fixed with an upgraded hydraulic lash adjuster) I’d be curious to know if these engines had adequate oil drains to get that oil back in the pan.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Nah, think of it this way. This is a factory part on the 6.2 engine which has the exact same oil capacity and engine architecture and it works perfectly, wouldn't be any different on a 5.7 or 6.4 👍

[@hans_gruber22]

Great work on this hemi-tick series. My RAM 1500 5.7 reports hot idle oil pressure at around 37 psi. Stock truck. Maybe not all Hemis have low hot idle oil pressure?

[@farreal21]

My 1500 is close at 38psi. Still wondering if it is worth doing the hellcat pump swap on mine or just do lifters and cam now to avoid complications for hopefully another 80k miles.

[@morrischoo9960]

Probably the most valuable information and detail in demonstrating of any video on U-tube. This is the first mod to be done on the hemi before any other mods. I am an efficiency nut when it comes to building or modding my automobiles, bikes or other equipment. Will do this on my srt392 when I do the intake porting. Looking into the Hellcat water pump and optional pulleys for the alternator and ac and water pump in the process. Maybe just a smaller crank pulley. Simple mods makes the most sense. Oil pump is number one.

[@jville533]

Ive been reading many of the comments, and the point is getting lost. He's not talking about PRESSURE as much as he is FLOW or VOLUME, even though he mentions pressure. By upgrading to a high volume pump, there will be an increase in pressure at an idle, but at highway speed, the pressure will level off because of the the pressure by-pass spring/valve in the pump. Simply put, pressure is the resistance to flow. The pressure is being created by all the little passages and thousandths of an inch clearance of the rod and main bearing and all that other tight stuff. That doesnt mean that theyre getting more oil across and through them. Its not the pressure that is keeping the needle bearings in the lifters lubricated, it the amount, the volume of oil they're getting at idle. As a former firefighter i get what he means. Let's say the hoses are the oil pumps If you take a 1 3/4" hand line, you can put 100 psi on that line but only flow 90 gals/minute of water That pressure is blowing shit everywhere but there's not enought water to cool the fire to make it go out. But you take a 2 1/2" line, you can have 100 psi on that line but you have a volume of 350 gals/ minute. You just put enough water on the fire to cool it down so much that the fire doesnt have the heat to sustain combustion, so the fire goes out. I dont know the volumes of these oil pumps so these numbers are for illustration purposes only; Stock pump flows 8 oz of oil per minute at idle to the lifters Melling pump flows 18 oz per minute to the lifter The Hellcat pump delivers 50 oz of oil to the lifters. So the Hellcat pump is delivering PLENTY of oil to the lifter needle bearings to keep them lubricated, more lubrication, less friction. Less friction, less wear. Less wear, longer before the part wears out Thats the point, it's not the pressure of the pump, it's the volume of the pumps

[@ReignitedAuto]

Nailed it 👍

[@autotechmike]

I looked up my 2014 charger oil pump and a 2015 6.2 oil pump and my parts vendor is saying they take the exact same pump. I need to get a high volume pump right now I have a high pressure and high volume but it's not a meiling. I love the time you put into this from one technician to another

[@ReignitedAuto]

Hey thanks so much man I appreciate it! I've had a couple people say that their stock pump has a 16mm thick rotor like the Hellcat one has, but they've never sent me any pictures to prove it. I personally have never seen one in anything but a Hellcat. Good news though, I just got Melling to send me their brand new high volume pump for the 09+ Hemi engines. This pump has a claimed 20% increase in volume, the Hellcat one is only 12% more! I'll have a video out on it likely next Saturday. The part number for the new pump is 10452HV 👍

[@autotechmike]

​@@ReignitedAutoI seen that and actually ordered one been waiting for that for a awhile not looking forward to going back into the engine again lol

[@qo2rj]

Sorry if I missed it: Would this be applicable to a 2016 RAM 2500 with the 6.4 Truck Hemi? I don't recall ever having seen idle oil pressure lower than the low 30's PSI

[@theacn5308]

How much could be the cost difference on manufacturing these pumps..? If it were to help the lifter failure, wouldn’t Chrysler just use hellcat pump by default on all Hemi applications to begin with? I’m sure they hate when lifters fail just as much as the next guy.

[@keithbrower4019]

thank you so much for this video. I been searching around though for the melling pump for my 5.7 2013 1500 truck, can't find one that goes to 2013. will the hellcat pump work for this engine? it sounded like it would. thank you so much, and I will. e purchasing some merchandise, keith

[@ReignitedAuto]

Hey Keith, yes definitely the hellcat pump is the one you want. Melling currently only makes a stock replacement pump for the 09+ Hemi engines, although I have heard that one is in development. The hellcat pump is a direct fit to your engine. 👍

[@keithbrower4019]

thank you so much

[@hizo64HH]

He took this on for us so we don't have too. My 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7 with 199,681 miles thanks you.

[@dakotartcrazy]

I’m tearing down a 2007 5.7 out of a dodge rami got a 2008 ram that is still running strong 250.000kms and counting… I have driven this truck like I stole it everyday and used it as a work horse towing and just my daily at the same time. But I would like to build the other engine with mds deleted seeing as it’s a work truck. You have giving me a lot of knowledge in just 3 videos, thanks keep up the excellent work and research

[@brandonkloster4359]

Great job man! You need more followers with the work you put into everything.

[@solargarage]

Never say sorry for the long videos, love the detail. My videos average about 50 min or so. I can say the hellcat pump works great on a 2016 Ram 2500.

[@Titanis2000]

I enjoy your videos they have been very educational - thanks a bunch for your content .

[@jeremybell2938]

I did this mod, and love the oil pressure I see on my scanner. One issue, ever since this swap, I have the P0524, Oil Pressure to low", and I know I have pleeeeenty of pressure. Played with different oils, brands, viscosity...changed oil pressure sensor, and played with pil filters, all the way to the Mopar, stock #, with "anti drain back", and can't get rod of this code. Any pointers, or people who have had this?

[@tomcraftdonkey2285]

Well, he's recenty covered this if you haven't seen it yet.

[@rene8312]

Is 25-33psi considered good pressure? That's what I currently have at idle.

[@The3chordwonder]

On the trucks, if you want to keep the A/C compressor attached, what I did was take a piece of wood or a broom/shovel/etc. and place it across the hood and then zip-tie the compressor to it so it "hangs" but it is still suspended and not pulling on the hoses. It looks sketchy, but it works and you don't have to yank the A/C lines like you said. I tried the OEM tools puller that you can rent from autozone, and I couldn't get enough grip on the balancer with it in order to pull it off. In the end, I used a 3 jaw puller which grabbed wrenches I arranged through the three "spokes" of the balancer. It's hard to explain, and it is ultra sketchy, but it was the only way I could get the balancer off. Sky if you see this, perhaps you could link in which puller you used (Amazon affiliate link?).

[@ThePschycho]

Hey first of all sorry for my bad english, i have an Dodge Ram 1500 from 2014 with the 5.7 hemi. I have seen the video and read some comments and also do my search on Google. So my Dodge has an idle Oil pressure round about 33-37psi but i have nothing changed, because i rode some comments that they have 20psi. So now my question is this "high" Oil pressure in ilde (enginge was operation temperature) normal or is there something done befor i got the car. Thank you for your hard work in the video. Hopefully somebody can answer my Question. Greetings from Germany and sorry for my english i hope you guys can understand it :)

[@ReignitedAuto]

I would say the oil pressure readings you are seeing are consistent with what I see from factory oil pumps in your vehicle so I doubt anything has been changed. My advice fit the improved oil volume generally applies to people who idle their vehicles for excessive amounts of time. 👍

[@ThePschycho]

​@@ReignitedAuto Thanks for the das answer. Yeah i will Order the hellcat oil pump and Switch it thank you vor your Work 👍😃

[@alihsas]

Thank you so mcuh. I hope one day seeing you working on Wk2 (2011-2013).

[@encinobalboa]

Idle oil pressure has not been a problem for Ford 4.6 2V for a very long time.

[@hussainalwadees9919]

Thank you so much my friend for this amazing content love your videos huge fan from iraq baghdad keep up the good work

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thanks for watching Hussain! 👍

[@ewconway]

Thank you so much for this informational / educational video. I am truly in awe of the data results. I want to install a Melling pump on my 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 6.1L and a Hellcat pump on my 2018 Dodge Challenger R/T 5.7L. Also, I would think this may help if not solve the lifter issues on the Hemi engines. Thank you so much!!

[@garykirk1968]

18:39 in.. Instructions unclear, can now validate swapping in the 24v Cummins to the wife...

[@tommiller8714]

Thank you for all the time, effort & expense in performing this testing with the different OE and Melling oil pumps; Impressive video! On my 2021 Challenger SP/WB with the 392/6.4L SRT engine: I change oil & oil filter every 6 months or 6,000 miles (whichever occurs first) and use the Mfg. specified SRT products (oil & oil filter) that I purchase at Parts at my local Dodge (CDJR) Dealership. I purchased my '21 Challenger new during June 2021, and right now (10/10/2022) have only 5,500 miles on it. I've still changed the oil & oil filter every 6 months. Vehicle is always garaged and driven (at a minimum) once every few days to at least once per week. I've not had any issues but do intend to take a look at oil pressure when both cold and when up to temperature, just to know. The upgrade to the Hellcat oil pump is interesting. Thanks! Tom M., So. Cal.

[@jimfaria2165]

What an effort!!! Kudos to you for this episode. As always so much information. You really do put in the work for your viewers. Maybe a dumb question, do you know if the AWD version can swap out the pump the same way. Is the oil pick up tube mounted the same or is like the trucks that have to remove entire oil pan. Contemplating engine in or out valve seat replacement /cam / lifters / chain / oil pump and maybe shortie headers. Any opinions? Keep up the good work!

[@Sexyduffman420]

Always plan on having to drop the oil pan. It's a bitch and a half. I got a 4x4 ram and only had to unbolt the front diff. It was quite a bitch. 147 miles 3 bad lifters and a very sad looking cam. High idle times but regular oil changes. Looked like I was wiping anti seize out the bottom of the oil pan. Ridiculous amount of tiny metal shavings. Replaced literally everything and I would feel so not good about not knowing what was in the oil pan If I hadn't removed it.

[@frankambrose4764]

One thing that I will add is that for everyone with a 2009 and later HEMI engine and you want your MDS, It will not work. I installed a hellcat oil pump in my 2014 5.7, and it was throwing a CEL because the oil pressure was out of range. so although, yes I got higher oil pressure, I still wanted to have my MDS.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Very interesting, I haven't heard this yet. I'll be on the lookout for more people who run into this issue.

[@budlanctot3060]

What oil/oil weight are you using? What is the ambient air temp? Are you using stock thermostat, like 205-210degree?

[@frankambrose4764]

@@budlanctot3060 i was using 5w-20, air was 60 degrees, and the car is on a stock thermostat, at operating temperature. freeze frame showed cel when the car was on the highway at 65 mph

[@budlanctot3060]

Well, that's unfortunate. I'd prefer to keep MDS functioning, too. But if it came down to cam/lifter destruction or MDS, I'd have to choose the HV oil pump.

[@frankambrose4764]

@@budlanctot3060 i would definitely agree with you on that, when i did the job on my car, it was a retired highway patrol car with 5,000 idle hours, 8,500 total engine hours, and surprisingly enough only 1 mds lifter was staring to fail, and there was some light pitting in the cam lobes, but not a major failure. i replaced everything except the block and the rotating assembly, with the new hellcat oil pump, and CEL. and of course it was the mds. i think there is just too much pressure for the solenoids. it really sucked taking it back apart again to put the stock pump back in

[@joefrasson8997]

The increased pressure can absolutely blow the gasket on the oil filter or rupture the filter case....

[@matadorprime]

The naturally aspirated 6.4L (392) HEMI runs 60 PSI at 2,000 RPMs and 30 PSI at idle. Do you know which oil pump it has?

[@kcmototech285]

Awesome question, now you got me thinking to check part numbers on Rock Auto to see if they're different..

[@kcmototech285]

Ok, just checked, my 2012 SRT8 392 oil pump Mopar pn per Rock Auto is not even close to a 2015 Hellcat pn...and of course, the Hellcat pumps are out of stock!

[@danlachappelle]

you are a hemi owners best friend! I am already having the broken bolts at the exhaust manifold at 50k miles ! i plan to update to the higher VOLUME hellcat oil pump makes good sense to me also I use mobile one or equivalent and a quart of lucas-oil . I've never had a failure

[@AustinDouglas75]

Finally Hellcat vs Melling High Performance Oil Pump #MOPAR

[@donaldsmith119]

What about just changing the cam and lifters, seeing that it's hardness seems to be the issue? I understand that raising the volume of oil it receives is a solution but the root seems to be the cam and lifters. Thoughts.......

[@mmastar14]

I've seen low 20's oil pressure warmed at idle and was always kinda looking at it sideways hoping it was enough. If it ever gets a cam I guess it'll get a hellcat oil pump too

[@secretdad544]

Thanks very kindly for this amazingly helpful video - got a hellcat pump for My RAM1500 and going to give it a crack - especially helpful to know it’s OK to leave the water pump on the timing cover by just removing Every alternate “long bolt” especially helpful showing how to prime a new oil pump on the HEMI Thanks again for being one of the very best channels on KZbin. I fitted the hellcat pump at 10,000km and all valve train hemi tick Is gone. I also run Amsoil signature 0w 20 and I think it’s a very good idea to fit the high volume hellcat pump. I am now at 38000 km

[@andrewschoenfeldt5620]

Thanks for the edit. so im assuming your hellcat pump was direct fit? just having to rebuilt my 2010 1500 with 510xxx so making sure the 2009+ 5.7 was direct replacement

[@kevhino260]

@@andrewschoenfeldt5620did you have to evacuate the a/c on the ram 1500 to replace oil pump?

[@05milmachine90]

Part of me really wants to buy the 5w30 instead of the 5w20 for my 200k mile hemi 300c. But you and several others have convinced me to just stick with high mileage synthetic 5w20. I for one am happy to see 21 psi hot idle and 55 going down the highway as I don't hot idle much where I live. Thanks for the great content!

[@AATreeService]

U can use 5w30 oil in a hemi. They use it in other countries and it even says in the manual that U can use that if 20 weight is not available or high towing usage is done with the engine. 5w30 or 0w30 is so very marginally thicker at 200 degrees it’s hardly notable on paperwork even amsoil will agree the difference is very minimal. Especially at start up when your 0winter flow is exactly the same

[@luxurycaddy8861]

your a genius man live your work we need mechanics like you🙌🏼

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate the kind words! 👊

[@preslavkyosev3235]

Is hellcat pump direct fit for 5.7 after 2009?! My car is grand cherokee Wk1 2010

[@ReignitedAuto]

That's correct, a direct fit on 2009 and later hemi engines 👍

[@preslavkyosev3235]

​​@@ReignitedAuto if i understand , this is first step to save the lifters, second will be to delete MDS. What oil is good to be used when mds is delited, is 0w40 good like for 6.4 SRT

[@garymeinen3663]

For you to put in this much work to prove a point is seriously impressive, I can't thank you enough!!! My #2 exhaust lifter just took a crap. Now, I'll be installing a hellcat pump along with new lifters and cam.

[@Over_Taxed_USA]

Just curious here.. by changing to a Hellcat high volume pump, does it change what oil weight you should use? Hellcat is 0W40 my 20' 1500 5.7 RAM calls for 5W20. Also on that note, can I actually run 5w30 and be Ok?

[@andrewschoenfeldt5620]

Not sure but my 2010 5.7 stock just gave out at 510xxx and all i ran was synthetic 5w30. now have to do a head cam and lifter rebuild but since im already there will for sure have to do the hellcat swap. my 5w30 on this tired engine was 20psi at idle so will still ho with it after the rebuild as the motor lasted half a million with it and its slightly cheaper

[@AxleGil]

If I ever have lifter failure I will be adding hellcat oil pump for sure.

[@andrewway3404]

Another great video Sky! Thank you for the great article, I think I will do this mod on my challenger rt and ram 1500. I plan on keeping both for a long time!

[@cowchux]

Finally did this swap the other day. 2014 Ram 1500 Sport. MDS deleted Non MDS cam from a Ram 2500 installed. Hell cat lifters and hell cat oil pump installed. My oil pressure cruising at normal operating temp and at highway speed is a steady 70-75 PSI. At a hot idle on a hot day I’m at 43 PSI. This is with fresh Red Line 5W30 oil. I’ll be looking at doing some shorty headers and a tune in the very near future.

[@martinobait9489]

Was you overall MPG affected by deleting the MSD? I am about to do this mod, due to a cam lifter failure. I bought the lifter kit (hellcat) and cam shaft from modern muscle xtreme (MMX) their cam shaft adds 30 hp without any further mod, and I am now planning to buy the hell cat pump as well.

[@hizo64HH]

You've given me the confidence to actually try bigger jobs on my '06 Charger R/T.

[@ndnOutlaw-nm9dr]

The 12 years I’ve owned my 08 5.7 ram; Ive make all repairs with instruction from KZbin videos. Idk how this is the first time Ive stumbled across you and your channel but you’re my go to guy now. Your videos and instructions are outstanding. Thank you for loving the hemi so much!

[@ReignitedAuto]

I appreciate you watching, thank you!

[@halogen1278]

I'm not sure if Ram had ever installed higher flow pumps for certain model years but I own a 2016 5.7 bighorn stock and the idle psi has always stayed around 42 at full running temp. I also live in Texas which the outside temp stays around 100 F during the summer. I recently just hit 200,000 miles with no major issues except when I replaced warped exhaust headers with aftermarkets around 130,000 miles. All maintenance done such as oil changes every 5,000, transmission flush, tune-ups, radiator flush and full suspension replacement at 170,000. It has been a great truck and I plan on putting another 100,000 miles on it! I would much rather get an engine replacement instead of buying a new or slightly used truck with today's prices! I just can't comprehend paying $50k to $60k for entry level model!

[@DAT240Z72]

Oil PSI at idle for a HEMI should be 15-25psi!!!! You should gain exactly ZERO oil pressure increase with a HV pump if each pump (standard and HV) have the same pressure relief spring. You DO NOT want higher oil pressure at idle. Regardless! Your idle oil pressure is perfect and raising the oil pressure is not needed or wanted. You swapped to a high pressure, high volume oil pump.

[@sheldonconk9526]

Dude IDK why this is so serendipitous. I’ve been seeking this out for weeks.

[@ReignitedAuto]

KZbin knows 😂

[@imtheonevanhalen1557]

That is an outrageous amount of oil pressure......ever hear of parasitic power loss? In hot rodding, the rule of thumb is 10psi per 1000 rpms...

[@Jpm928]

I was thinking the same. I wonder if it’s possible to put a lower pressure spring in the hellcat pump to have it bleed pressure similar to the stock pump at say 75 psi

[@oldblueaccord2629]

@@Jpm928 Trim one coil off the spring at a time. Old racers trick get oil pressure where you want it.

[@Jpm928]

@@oldblueaccord2629 I’ve since done the hellcat oil pump swap. I simply replaced the bypass spring with the oem 50psi spring from my stock pump. I now have 45-60psi pressure range vs 20-60 with the stock pump.

[@timrnagy]

This was great, I really appreciate you going through everything. I learned a lot.

[@goracegoa1808]

Have any one tryed 5w30 full synthetic in thos hemi 2017 gen ? Is a extra 10-20psi bether then 5w20? Once that oil is hot i mean... i think it would add psi if it adds 30% extra psi dose 5w20vs5w30 how slower dose 5w30 flows more then 30% ?

[@ChkSmckn]

Is the 5W50 full synthetic okay to run on the hellcat Sir? Specially on hot high humidity area all year.

[@christopherdimotsis1024]

Love this video and I always thought that oil flow/pressure was the issue because I always saw more engine wear issues on ones that are work vehicles that idle a lot

[@marcustarrant6299]

Ya the white spring I guess is if I need more pressure I had a lifter go on my 2010 on cylinder 6 I didn't even get the tick just a check engine when cranking the motor all rockers activated but when I turned it over every rocker was going ham cept the 2 on number 6 stone dead the lifter didn't even hurt the cam but the coating was coming off pretty good honestly man i think cause the 16 plugs if people don't get the cel or any noticeable signs I can see the misfire hard to notice I had to rebuild my tcase and my truck sat from Jan till July waiting for snap rings lol it was insanity trying to find the ones I needed anyways I got the tcase in fired it and P0306 and it wouldn't go away I thought it was my Injector wire I got fed up and took it to a shop the boss was like pretty sure collapsed lifter won't know till the head comes off I was like😳 fuck that I'll give it a go lol first time ever doing this and I dug deeper the skirts on my pistons are so scarred and the rings were like seized in the grooves with carbon so now I got diablo sport engine tech non mds cam and I found a company from Texas been selling lifters 20 years reliant gasket really good price anyways sorry for the long as comment I'm from Canada and I really respect what you do man i have had dodge tech tell me they couldn't program a win module that I got from a scrap yard I prooved those idiots wrong I like that your honest about shit your the reason I ordered the Hv pump and the head bolts a guy argued with me saying they are one time use I was like man I watch this tech who use to work for dodge for ten plus and like I trust a guy with ten years of dealing with this gar bage to know some shit😂 anyway rant over sorry once again

[@jamesaka007]

I did see a good video on the tick...the owner solved the problem with a change from 5w 20 to a 5w 30 synthetic oil and the results were very positive. No tick and the engine ran much smoother.

[@2tooful]

He explained in this video it doesn’t solve anything

[@tomcooper920]

This was a great video! It was really ingesting to see what was going on. So having a '17 how much different would you guess the idle flow and pressure would be between the Melling and the stock pump with only 1MM difference in width. Is it worth it switching it out just to change it?

[@sleekimagesphotography]

So on my 2012 hemi in a ram 1500 4x4, i only hear a tic for a few seconds on startup. Im experiencing like a hesitation in the engine. Rpm, load, speed, its there all the time, nothing changes it. It hasn't thrown any codes in the dash whats so ever. So my question is could this be a lifter issue ?? If so would the cylinder delete selinoid plates and retune be enough to get me by without dropping $5000 on lifters and a cam ??

[@calebjackson4708]

Chevy has the same tick issue. Delete mds switch lifters and cam for non mds. Tune it. Low amounts of oil changes, high idle times, junk oil pumps, cheap parts. The list goes on and on. Engine is trying to do too much. Many of these vehicles have two stage oil pumps. Low pressure comes on then jumps to high pressure. Cylinders turning off to save fuel. Just too much. Make it do what it does best. Just run.

[@Dragnous420]

jesus 20psi hot... And thats a brand new pump or good working used one? Mine is still factory and likely tired from 300k kilometers probably making less flow and pressure, it would be dropping into the teens at idle i bet..