Henry Ford vs Karl Marx. Epic Rap Battles Of History (Reaction/Breakdown)

[@YouLoveSkyler]

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[@duderdude638]

So did those people just come back to life from those "countless genocides" or are you taking something that has been disproven as fact? because the population charts for the ussr and communist China shot up not down

[@duderdude638]

Private property just means Privately owned company property what you are confusing it with is personal property

[@duderdude638]

The reference was that marx was pen pals with lincon

[@duderdude638]

16:55 that's not capitalism it's a capitalist doing charity

[@duderdude638]

I don't have beef with you it's just that, I hear all of that so often that when ever someone says it, I get agitated

[@ERB]

Awesome reaction Skyler. Great job. Sorry about the hot karl. ;)

[@YouLoveSkyler]

I will accept this time! Only because this was a great ERB self made beat.

[@majinsole8554]

Sorry about the hit Karl is crazy 😂 ~_~

[@SankalpaSatyal]

@ERB Is this a new season?

[@theunknown80]

Make rod serling vs hp Lovecraft

[@chene-aurelgaudreau1072]

The “Lincoln letter inking proletarian” line when Marx introduces himself is a reference to a personal telegram Karl Marx sent to President Lincoln after the Civil War, congratulating him on freeing the slaves.

[@Bobal27]

7:40 “Dung from a Taurus” has to be the best version of “Bullsh*t” I’ve ever heard.

[@Bobal27]

10:46 He’s calling Ford out as a teetotaler. “Your Model-T total” is a better bar than it’ll be given credit for, assuming my inference about which side of politics he was on is correct. Given ERB’s distinct lack of incorrectness with their bars, I assume that the T-total is an intentional triple. 1: Model T. 2: Cars get “totaled.” 3: Teetotal. Solid triple with a weak finish, unless we’re missing an extra layer on “lack of style.”

[@wordlife94]

12:36 the “utopia” line was probably more about the fact that Marx viewed communism as part of a historical development toward a society, free of social antagonisms like class warfare and alienation of labor

[@ladycharlotte210]

After the third watch i noticed the 'stateless' line from Ford at 15:25 could also be how Marx should 'state' (as in say) 'less', little pun there but nice!

[@voicedubgaming2286]

See that's what I thought too bc I was like "What could the connection be there? Oh bc state as a a verb means 'to say' so he's saying Marx talks too much"

[@azurerogue3633]

In truth, it is a triple entendre, 1. Telling him to talk less. 2. Karl Marx was banned from several countries, and therefore was not allowed within their states. 3. In his writing Marx wrote about how a communist society would be a stateless society.

[@pragmaticclarity3034]

@@azurerogue3633 This is a common misphrasing of Marx, Marx never actually says what a communist society would look like governmentally, just that there will be a dictatorship of the proletariat during the intermediary phase. It's more of an entendre towards other socialist/communist beliefs at the time, like Bukharin reading of Marx or Kropotkin.

[@wordlife94]

The Marx/Lincoln line was a reference to Marx writing a letter to Lincoln concerning slavery

[@fadeemblem7665]

Ford's first verse was really strong, but he kinda used up all his ammo in it, and the only strong punch he had in later verses was the hypocrisy bar about Engels bankrolling Marx. Meanwhile Marx started off slower, but was hitting Ford decently well throughout the battle, and had a really strong ending with the Nazi factory/Auschwitz line. I'd give it to Karl Marx overall, especially since a couple of Ford's disses in the middle (the beard shampoo and the Hot Karl line) felt pretty weak-sauce.

[@lukimorador333]

ford lines was funny, while marx was truly brutal

[@Vincisomething]

The funny thing is some of Ford's line are used by pro-capitalist/anti-socialists that have been taught capitalism = freedom and money, socialism = commie and everyone poor, and commie = whatever Stalin did.

[@AIHumanEquality]

Ford could only go after his looks and personal attacks cause he (like many Americans) didn't really understand what his(Marx) books were about. Marx made a fantastic rebuttal to the claim about being funded by a "capitalist". Although I don't know if I'd actually call Engels a real capitalist since he was as mentioned a huge supporter of Marx's visions.

[@yang_wright]

This battle is so darn good. I learned a lot from Extra History's series on Henry Ford, and man, does it add so much to the lyrics.

[@PrivateDaisy]

I wouldn't even notice this battle released, if it wasn't for your reaction, but it is great all around. Breakdown appreciated as always.

[@Varkhal218]

Not to be that guy, but communism, even as a far leftist that isn't an actual communist, it's not really that comparable to a hivemind necessarily. Also, Engels wasn't a capitalist. His father was, owned a factory or smth. Engels himself had an organisational/managerial position. Definitely well paid, but nevertheless a wage worker.

[@СашаВолков-ф5н]

Finally, a person who knows more about communism then "haha, no toothbrush, no food, no IPhone". Thank you, comrade, for helping the knowledge spread. The first step towards the future is the education of the working class.

[@Varkhal218]

@@СашаВолков-ф5н I'm not really a comrade, as I said, I'm not a communist. Socialist yes (meaning that all political spheres of society, so economy+legislation+administration+culture should be based on maximum freedom and the absolute will of the population making up a society), but in terms of economic system itself I would describe myself as a quasi-communist/councilist when it comes to things like natural resources, key industries and services/enterprises of public interest, and market socialism (genuine market socialism, not social democracy) for everything else, meaning full freedom of enterprise aside from illegitimate exploitation. Also, I'm not a comrade because I don't find myself loving or liking or caring to any special extent for anyone with simmilar political views because of said political views (not saying I'm opposed to doing so necessarily). We have common interests and goals, not necessarily common likes and dislikes. We're allies, not friends.

[@СашаВолков-ф5н]

@@Varkhal218 1. Comrade isn't used exclusively to refer to communists, but I get why you'd say that. 2. I belive that a society where people who work are the ones who own the factories they are working in, as well as the products they make, will be a much better society. The free market can work, but only if there isn't a way for a small group of companies to dictate the prices. As long as the majority of the workers don't become obsessed with profit, socialism's free market will actually be free. 3. Good point actually. I'll have to think about that. But I (at least do my best to) maintain a positive attitude towards everyone, not just people with similar views.

[@Varkhal218]

@@СашаВолков-ф5н 1) well I guess semantics are genuinely up to personal tastes 2) sure, no argument from me here 3) yeah, well, when I stopped lying to myself about some artificial ideology of enthusiastic solidarity actually accepted the fact that I have a great deal of distaste for human beings in general and hate for humanity in most of it's forms, with very few exceptions in terms of either individual people or general traits of humanity, and be honest about my political stance as simply wanting to live free and have the power that I should have in human society without being opressed by parasitic tyrants or their lackeys, and realising I cannot do this alone beyond escapism and living as much as possible outside the laws and systems of man, thus deciding to align myself with the social forces and like-minded people, life was better. But again, everyone is different. You may actually like people and humanity, and if that's the case good for you.

[@gnome_child]

And he actually arrived at ideology himself when he traveled to London and saw the living/working conditions of the people there and wanted better working conditions for people in his own mills

[@arrowpaw1847]

6:16 Skyler, I think that reference was more towards the letters that Marx and Lincoln sent each other including Marx congratulating Lincoln on winning the election. Look it up that's a true fact.

[@StellariaEclipse]

Ayo are you alright man? I know an ERB just came out, maybe you're taking your time or smth but you haven't uploaded in a few months. Is everything alright?

[@DEPRIVA]

He's possibly watching all Godzilla and Kingkong movies to understand the rap battle?

[@sedox3145]

Agreed that Ford's punches were kinda all about marx being poor and that he should wash. That'd why I think Marx got the W in this. Both had good punches, but Marx had more, from what I've catched so far. Edit: thinking back Marx also had many disses about Ford and nazis, but I still think he won

[@elbrados]

I like fords blows about how communism doesn’t work and how Marx is a hypocrite

[@thatoneguy9582]

also marx flowed like a motherfucker

[@Dctctx]

@@elbradoswhile ford was also being hypocritical

[@pashico7082]

@@elbrados Marx literally has a rebuttal in the ERB for the first point you made: "You didn't read shit". It's funny how people just repeat talking points without reading anything at all.

[@elbrados]

@@pashico7082 I have read history and the point still stands

[@turtle0053]

I think Marx took this one and very clearly as well

[@KingUSMCO]

the lincoln inking line was a reference to him and abraham lincoln corresponding through letters. its a historical bar and thats why i always like erb.

[@Error-xv9ve]

What's kind of insane is that right before this Extra History did an entire series on Ford. So there's a lot of people that know how not of a great human being he was

[@ionaskualexander1255]

it's quite obvious that Marx won. He was attacking Ford as a person while Ford only attacked Marx's ideology.

[@ruedays]

4:00 Marx had four daughters named Jenny. Two of them committed suicide by cyanide, one only lived for a year, and the eldest died of bladder cancer.

[@_rushr]

I wasn't expecting a breakdown so soon, glad it happened though. Also I want to mention that the Original Video link in your description leads to the Lara Croft vs Indiana Jones battle, not the new one.

[@YouLoveSkyler]

I knew this battle was coming out for a bit. So, I was able to prepare and let me change that link whoops.

[@ExecutiveSonda]

Well this made my day better.

[@smilgars]

ford did misstreat and undermine Edsel always told him how shit and worthless he was and when edsel showed his first model for his father he smashed it and laughed at Edsel

[@Goonerus_Maximus]

man Im so happy that skyler back good day skyler and other people :3

[@Kobedc90RCF]

good to have you back man, hope your doing well

[@Pinkbunnylaw]

Hi Skyler, Marx actually had correspondence with Lincoln, he supported the antislavery movement. Hot Karl on chest was a play on words, because Marx had lung issues with fever his whole life. (Yah double twist with the disgusting meaning) Found on road dead was very common way to describe FORD cars in the 70s/80s as they were so poorly built. My first car was a ford from then so yep. Fordlandia is still a city in Brazil. Marx won because he had so many disses at the end.❤

[@lycancowboy1989]

Just wanted to say I stumbled across you about a year ago, and again just now. You have come a long way as a content creator and have improved a lot. Good job.

[@wordlife94]

9:00 the problem with that line for me is that it’s very close to the “Crony capitalism” defense of capitalism that is, “capitalism as a system isn’t inherently flawed, and exploit its individual people that make it turn out that way.” And that would be Marx shooting himself in the foot since his critique was of capitalism as a system, not individual people.

[@ravenfrancis1476]

Not really, because exploitation is inherently baked into capitalism in a way its not for communism.

[@juliank6793]

Yeah, both sides don't believe the failed versions of their ideologies are the real forms of their ideologies that they idealize. All ideas are hard to actualize, especially political ideas. Personally, I think marx has a better response to this, because the difference between "communism" the goal of a stateless society, and "socialism" the ideology and transition period trying to get to communism is inherently baked into it. Capitalism isn't an ideology written about and then actualized, it was something developed over time mostly by coincidence and necessity that writers later tried to interpret through writing. Marx had the ability to lay out exactly what his ideology should be like, so there's a lot of ways to justify calling failures of it "not real communism."

[@chene-aurelgaudreau1072]

If Marx saw that line he would probably have immediately wrote an entire essay on why he hates it, and why only a naive “utopian socialist” or “idealist” would say such a thing.

[@aalmarashi628]

The response to this would be: Capitalist is a system which promotes individualism, exploitation, and greed. It is a system wherein there is always someone on top, which therefore is a system of power and control, which therefore is a system where a fact.

[@volvodgio]

Communism is a system where the individual is seen as an equal. It strives for the disassembilation of social classes. Capitalism is a system that makes everyone a competitor to each other. The individual is to strive for more control over the system by themselves. Capitalism is a stepping stone to achieve true communism, if humankind were efficient enough to achieve such as a collective. However, humankind's greed corrupted any form of communism that was attempted to be established. Communism is a utopia, a paradise that is far away. Capitalism, which is the system that promotes human greed, promotes human competition, is the only system that we'll be able to achieve efficiently in the foreseeable future. I doubt it that we'll be able to see the perfection of a societal structure, which is no direct authoritan structure at all, but made by the collective humankind. Marx was a dreamer who tried planting his seed. However, that plant was taken and crossed with many other plants, creating a mixture of many traits. I am sure that you all know about the rules of inheritance. Let's say that the mindset of communism is spread across the world. But the mindset is mixed with other traits and other ideologies. Certain groups create their own ideology and call it communism, socialism... but they truly miss the original point. If we were to establish communism in its originally intended form, every human with their own ideology would need to accept the mindset. It is basically impossible to achieve that. With so many traits that were inherited, it is impossible to achieve the original state within everyone. Communism is stateless, stateless in theory, and stateless in practice. It is a dream, unable to be realized because it is outside of human nature. Capitalism is the most perfect form of construct that we are able to establish with our current capabilities. Marx himself described it as a stepping stone towards communism that would be trashed as soon as it outlived its purpose. But, likely to his knowledge, capitalism burns itself into the human structure and is almost impossible to get rid of. Because when you're well of within a capitalist society, you hold all the power. The ones that suffer through the system are unable to fight back against that if they won't connect. And we can see how well that works.

[@Beast_the_smash_guy]

Showed up, did two videos, and dipped. Hope you're ok

[@PPRBguy]

Another great breakdown. I really enjoyed this battle and you helped me catch a few new things.

[@battalionstallion3894]

the line about the model T style was talking about how the car only came in black and how after other companies started to mass produce cars H ford kinda just wanted to make the model T over and over again so he had no style to his cars that wasn't just model T and that was around the time things like the Buick Super came out

[@warriorchick127]

The Brazilian factory town Ford attempted to set up failed miserably bc he tried to enforce the same lifestyle requirements on workers there as he did in the US (no alcohol, no gambling, good Christian values etc) and the Brazilian workers eventually unionized and revolted so badly the Brazilian army had to be sent in to calm things down and prevent anymore destruction of property. In general, the reason I think Marx took this battle is he had much more evidence in his bars of all of the various ways Ford was an appalling person. Such as his private gestapo that enforced his lifestyle requirements for his workers (which included a requirement for wives to not work if workers wanted their five bucks a day btw), authorizing the execution of unarmed workers protesting for better wages, his selfish underhanded manipulation of the company to sabotage Edsel, and most of all his antisemetic notions and support of the Nazis. Whether you agree that communism is a viable system or not, Ford didnt really have much ammo to throw at Marx personally just the dictators who abused his ideology and that Marx was poor and smelled bad which almost helps Marx’s verses since it highlights the class differences between them.

[@amxelcbis4464]

the greed line is actually true. the japanese communist party for example, it's one of the biggest communist parties not in control of its country. it advocates for democratic socialism (aka they want to come to power by elections instead of revolution) and is actually pretty popular in japan

[@christiancorocora7921]

partially true

[@hotelroom404]

You accidentally linked Lara Croft vs Indiana jones instead of Karl Marx vs Henry Ford in the description

[@YouLoveSkyler]

It's been fixed!

[@lukasdelas]

nice reaction

[@roguefiend]

This was a very close battle imo

[@duolingo0552]

I genuinely don’t know who won

[@johnjordan211]

Yo conservatives are you upset about this

[@elbrados]

Not really any chance to dunk on communism is good

[@johnjordan211]

​@@elbradoswhen did this dunk on communism

[@mrhouse2208]

@@elbradoslook i despise communism but I have to say Marx dunked on the Nazi man

[@SebastianRamirez-lx4hz]

@@mrhouse2208facts

[@IanSparrow]

No. Why would I be?

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

Sauce for the city pixel background?

[@aspieanarchist5439]

People do realize Marx was a German Jewish Brit, right?

[@christopherramirez6577]

marx won easy

[@christopherramirez6577]

found on road dead is also a jab that ford cars suck which they do

[@korlhorl]

So fast 💀

[@Mephzice]

I don't like capitalism so I like what Karl marx says way more, that being said I think that is exactly what will decide the winner of this battle for people. Do you like capitalism yes or no.

[@Nikityansim]

Hey,I really recommend princess rap battles,it's mostly princess but also other fictional characters!I want you to react to Dorothy vs Alice!

[@olsongc8422]

The neat thing about this particular battle is both of them, in their own way, tried to help the working class. Yes, Ford pushed his factories and pushed his agendas.....but he was also one of the driving forces behind 40 hour work week, and despite being Anti-Semitic helped the Jews fight to get Sunday's off. Marx, for all the issues that arose when others got ahold of his ideology, actually believed what he preached and pushed for fairer life for others. He literally put his money where his mouth was.

[@Sarateacu_cascaval]

The Big Brother line instantly gave Marx the win

[@HKG4]

Please do the SpongeBob vs Captain Underpants rap battle

[@sonamadinolf6096]

I have to disagree with your call on the winner. Ford starts off the battle by saying he's going to "tear your ideology apart". Indeed there's no other reason to have Ford and Marx battle. Ford's first verse is his strongest, and he does make a couple of early bars aimed at Marx's ideology. The Bread lines bar, and the bar about body bags from brutal dictators are on point. Unfortunately, Marx reverses that second bar: "Oh, some terrible people took my ideology long after I was dead and misused it to kill a ton of people? Well you were buddy buddy with Hitler when you were alive, loved what he was doing, and helped him do it." The rest of Ford's bars for the whole rest of the battle boil down to "I'm rich, so I'm cool!" and "You're poor, so you have problems poor people have, like being sick and dirty or having children die from lack of medical care, lulz!" Ford's pen-game on these is great, but they lack variety, and they all play into Marx's ideology! Meanwhile Marx goes after everything about Ford: his working conditions, his weird controlling culture, his killing protestors, his antisemitism, his terrible effect on the environment (which was known even in the 19th century), his destruction of his son, and more. Marx wins on variety, deepness of cuts, and actually attacking ideology.

[@backatitp1124]

You should totally react to Yuri vs Mikan

[@Johncenasuncle]

Beat is insane lol def their best beat

[@DonEBrooke32]

who's this handsome guy? (and what'd you do with Skyler? 😘) seriously, welcome back. you still doing Twitch or did ya move to Kik?

[@hyrulianhero116]

When you don't know enough about Karl Marx so you come to Skyler😂

[@AIHumanEquality]

If you think Ford won you need to re-analyze everything being said. Ford mostly only went after personal attacks like his looks or that he was poor because like many (especially Americans) he(Ford) was misrepresenting was communism(Marxism) was all about. If you have to lie and misrepresent your opponent while also being on the wrong side of history you definitely lost by a lot. Ford's punches were very weak for reasons stated above. I liked Marx's line "You didn't read sh*t." Cause it was not only directed at Ford but everyone else who continually mislabels what his ideologies were about.

[@vincentwerts4724]

The whole bootstraps to food stamps thing might be a reference to how capitalists say pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard and make it; that's the American dream, but Socialists seem to be more about handouts. I might be reading too much into it.

[@Kookeryking1200]

do Godzilla vs king Kong. erb

[@TheDarkstormy]

Ford did not win, He had one bar and Marx utterly annihilated him in round two and three. Ford's entire run boils down to tell marx "You're Poor and Dirty, Yuck" Marx accurately and factually points out that Henry Ford is a goddamn Nazi who was such a cruel person to his son that cancer would be kinder than Henry. Nah. Henry was not in the match at all after the Factory lines, and to clear up your memory, It was Ford Workers being shot, by Ford hired Security. Not a single ford factory worker was on the shooting side there. Only reasons to give Ford a victory here is bias and if your bias is for the Nazy Celebrated Slaver who was the greatest contributor to the spread of Anti-Semitism in the modern era. Maybe look in a mirror.

[@IanSparrow]

I'm glad someone else thinks Ford won. Great reaction, my first one on this channel, so, I'll stick around !

[@JustinVanTrump]

The For(d)ce is strong with this one

[@TylerYoshi]

React content is theft.

[@NoOne-wz2ht]

sometimes, but not here since hes actually analyzing and adding to it, also erb allow people to react.

[@Fulcratic]

​@@NoOne-wz2htERB strongly encourages reacting. It kinda forms a symbiotic relationship since the quality of the rap battle themselves gone up with more people to appreciate it.