Henry Rollins On the 2019 Johnny Rotten Debacle PoPP CLIPS

In this clip from the 15th episode of the Punks On Pizza Podcast Henry Rollins speaks about the panel for the HBO documentary PUNK that took place in 2019 featuring Himself Duff McKagan, Mark Ramone, John Varvatos, Donita Sparks and, Johnny Rotten.

[@DodgerandIce]

Rollins here reminds me so much of a drama teacher talking about a script in front of a bunch of drama kids.

[@lindadianda6035]

😂😂😂good one, he thinks he is so important

[@theflatulentfreddy1]

He is an actor....and looked terrified of Lydon.

[@mikewolverton7904]

Henry Rollins is quite the drama queen. Always was, and always will be.

[@tonywilthshire308]

Johnny made it worth watching

[@ImYourOverlord]

I loved his ripping into the Ramone guy 😁

[@Arfabiscuit]

Yep

[@calledbythefire666]

I've met Mr Lydon when he was sober, and he was a genuinely nice guy. I think his "WWF" persona was definitely a bit larger than life that evening, and the British sense of humor was a bit lost in translation to the American audience due to the alcohol imbibement. He was (and probably still is) feeling the loss of his wife. Lost her back then due to Alzheimers, and now also in the physical sense. It has to screw with your head, and some people are more sensitive than others when it comes to hiding their inner feelings. The interview was a snapshot in time, but not something that I'd judge his entire life by. We all make mistakes. It's a shame it was emphasized in such a negative light... for sure, not one of his more tactful evenings... but I'm sure he'd be far more coherent filming it today. Much respect to Henry Rollins though, and all who took part in the panel interview that evening!

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

Its worth pointing out that British "humor" is a generational level of arrogance that many follows men British men of that era

[@calledbythefire666]

@@velvetinedrapes4359 The generational level of arrogance is not exclusively a British trait. Thousands of cultures worldwide are similarly afflicted in believing their penis is bigger than everyone else's... particularly Americans, who love to ram it down everyone's throat every chance they get, that THEIR country is the "greatest in the world!" I'm in no way disputing USA's claim... I have no jingoistic notion in the slightest when it comes to global penile protrusion measurement, and could care less about drunken patriotic flag-shagging, however going back to your original point, I totally agree that UK citizens suffer from a spectacularly unhealthy self-deprecating nihilistic "own worst enemy" sense of confrontational humor which borders on projected self-harm. However it must be stressed that British humor (in my experience & perception) is not solely arrogant... is light years away from being one dimensional and has a multitude of different facets depending on which area it's born. It's all subjective & I truly believe that each member of the panel that night were there for a damn good reason, in that they each played a significant part in contributing to their pocket of the punk genre of music, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😉

[@justin4911]

Henry has told this same story in a manner slightly more generous to Lydon. When I first heard the story he mentioned that Lydon's wife was at home, sick with Alzheimer's. (she died this month)

[@flannerymonaghan-morris4825]

Oh geez. Poor dude.

[@brianm2881]

I'm glad he did that, at least. Without a doubt, Lydon's behaviour that night was not cool, but Rollins - being empathetic as he is - should be able to look at the wider context of the situation and recognise Lydon was most probably someone in the depths of emotional pain at the time and just kind of lashing out, and not just lay into him. If Lydon had been sober and not had an ailing wife, he'd probably still have been a dick, but maybe at least waited his turn to speak.

[@markieffmorris9263]

Johnny taking pole on his wife’s death bed is shameful

[@christophernash1846]

@@markieffmorris9263 John was dealing with the street of his wife illness .Keep in mind, John's dad died a couple years before too and his brother had cancer too. John unfortunately dealt with this by drinking . He has said he later used alcohol to deal with problems.

[@markieffmorris9263]

@@christophernash1846 I understand but it doesn’t excuse his behavior. Don’t volunteer for speaking engagements you can’t handle.

[@maddiespencer3706]

names Marky Ramone twice but can't remember Donita lol

[@NiKOliDANBURSKi]

Johnny was a man falling to pieces at that event. But you gotta realise he was losing his wife to dementia. I lost my dad to that and it definitely fucks with you. Drunk I smashed in a few doors and lost a job to stupidity as well. Big love to John and respect to Henry for keeping his cool. 🙏

[@yourefuckingmumm8756]

Then he should've stayed the fuck home

[@98266paul]

I just watched that panel before coming here and I'm glad someone else noticed, Johnny looks like a broken man in that video you can see it in his eyes and his mannerisms. As for Henry If it was that much of an issue for him he shouldn't have sat there silent like a pussy then go round speaking like this afterwards. Makes him look like a coward.

[@ronofthesea5953]

He has no cool. He probably doesn't know what it means to love someone beyond his childish hero worship left over from being a teenager with no friends.

[@markieffmorris9263]

Johnny having gay sex while his wife is dying what a drunk failure

[@laurencefox5884]

@@ronofthesea5953 Like you? Must hurt...

[@Limesubmusic]

Myself and my sister meet Johnny Lydon in a Highgate ( London UK) pub, he was really nice, friendly and chilled. We all have bad days and Johnny is losing his wife to dementia something my family went though recently with my Mum which was really hard,( who sadly died last year). Lets face it most of us have had bad drunken days at some point. I not excusing his behaviour but do you think Henry has always been the perfect gentleman. Henry rocks though.

[@SteveTheDiva]

Not to judge, because ppl can love whoever they want, but lifelong bachelor Henry going for the put-down by referring to Lydon's handler as his lover just makes me think of the rumors about Henry and his best friend Joe Cole prior to Cole's tragic murder.

[@cryptsub]

and imagine - the founder of the Rollins Band criticizing John Lydon.

[@nelsonnoname001]

Been doing my PiL research as of late, thought I was going to see a bunch of hate for John down in the comments, but see nothing but understanding and still stories of admiration - Much respect here for the man

[@tutubeas10]

Yeah, Henry, and I remember you were sooo P.C.

[@colinmoore5991]

I said that he's a prick, but a big cranky kid And all he talked about was politics Buff from lifting cars and he don't like girls no more 'Cause Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun, just ask my mom

[@ericmalone3213]

Punk rock and panel discussions do not and should not mix. Mr Lydon brought the proper ingredient and made it truly memorable.

[@Eluwilussit]

well the organizers of that panel should have known that inviting Johnny Rotten in that particular constellation is just asking for trouble

[@markgnarz5399]

Probably the reason they did it.

[@bigrollinghome2091]

I stumbled on this video while listening to some PIL. This was interesting. Now back to some more PIL.

[@jarleskjelbred]

have you seen the event he's talking about, its hillarious, Johnny Rotten is far out that day

[@MrHubb1]

Thank you for sharing this. I hadn't heard about this incident. Duff and Henry are such great guys.

[@TylerSmithPunksOnPizza]

You can find the video of the incident online as well.

[@CFarnwide]

Just search John Lydon vs Marky Ramone and you will find it. I thought it would be entertaining but It’s pretty sad actually. Lydon was beyond drunk and emotionally distressed with his wife’s illness. He shouldn’t have been out in public that night and definitely not being filmed for a documentary promo.

[@mr_unsane]

@@CFarnwide I agree , It was sad. I had to turn it off.

[@emptyemptiness8372]

Johnny is the drunk uncle we all put up with because he did so much for us when we were young. We love him, we are even a bit protective, but we all shake our heads and give each other the " i know, but what do you do?" look. He helped us skinny alienated kids with bad teeth and scoliosis find our path and i will be forever greatful to our badly behaved old drunk uncle for that. Edit : his wife was dying of dementia, he was loyal loving and looked after her tenderly to the end, he even stopped this interview to take a call from his distressed wife and explained to the audience why....he is a prick but this made me respect him as a good man and this one act was a lesson for all of us.

[@duderinoification]

i never met a punk that wasn't a drunk nasty hypocritical slob by 40. and while henry isn't a drunk he's by far one of the nastiest people i've ever met. Coming from 30+ years in the music industry, starting off as a punk.

[@jabbischneider]

Nope! We don’t “put up with” Johnny. We appreciate him for ALWAYS being honest and telling the truth, and NEVER selling out. Unlike the millionaire Henry Rollins who’s a fake moron! Henry is part of the system - Johnny is not and never has been!

[@fordprefect80]

Steve Jones said of Johnny Rotten that he never got over his rock stardom. The problem with Johnny, when he's up on stage, it's all about him.

[@walkerstark4564]

As it fucking should be. And Rotten was right about that Danny Boyle directed debacle based on Jones' book. Love the Pistols forever, true gamechangers but I don't suffer from Pistols derangement syndrome. Rotten has become a political idiot, Jones shills for the 12 Steps. Loved Black Flag Rollins/Ginn and Rollins solo, great live shows. But Henry has turned into Bill Maher. We still have the music, that's what counts.

[@davidpryle3935]

@@walkerstark4564”Political idiot” ?

[@Genghis-Khan121]

No he’s a political superstar calls fkn Marxist ideology out for what it is !!

[@Genghis-Khan121]

Gotten over ? No problem with Johnny he should be seen and heard more often !

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

True. Thats what put me off him. He is an intelligent guy and I like the Pistols but he goes from saying punk was all a joke and a face etc etc to reminding everyone he "gave them" punk and they've got him to thank for it. Then he appears as a guest on a talk show and takes center stage even when he's got 3 other guests beside him

[@TheCranberrySource]

Lydon has admitted he was in a bad place then. He was looking after this wife full time and gain a huge amount of weight. He’s since lost it. The whole debacle is on KZbin, he stops the conference half way to answer a call from his wife (who has Alzheimer’s disease). All up on KZbin if you want to see for yourself.

[@sexobscura]

The man can use that as an excuse, but civility counts for a lot. It doesn't mean that you can use any public forum to use your personal life as a vent for your dirty laundry

[@gregfowler957]

Its true what marky ramone said malcom maclaren did come to new york and take lots of ideas from new york like safety pins wich the bands used to do to keep rips together and decoration and dee dee ramone started padlock around the neck thing not vicious

[@1985cactus]

​@@mroldnewbieYeah, still, they ripped off a lot of the New York look and sound

[@mahead]

That press-conference is on video and it is not what happened.

[@theflatulentfreddy1]

Rollins is such a putz. He sat there looking scared shltless. Didn't say a word. At least Lydon is still making music ....unlike Gay Henry.

[@Aurora2097]

I had a great time listening and watching John's drunk rants...

[@likkidixx]

I bet everyone else was too, interviewees and audience. Except one.

[@Guitarcope]

After all these years Johnny Lydon is still a Punk and loved his wife to the bitter end.

[@SuperMickyChow]

Punks don't sell out - Lydon was always a sell out pretending to be a punk

[@Guitarcope]

@SuperMickyChow Johnny Lydon never sold out, which is why he wasn't interested in the Sex Pistols movie. It was his ex bandmates that sold out.

[@therealsuloking]

Exactly!

[@SuperMickyChow]

@@Guitarcope he advertised butter ffs...

[@Guitarcope]

@@SuperMickyChow At least it was butter and not margarine.

[@Pamplemousse82223]

Johnny is my favorite celebrity, and my favorite man. He inspired me to speak my mind as a youth, and I'm still that way. Hes brutally honest and fiercely loyal. That's a real man. Not Rollins who punches guys out.

[@LetsGoMetsGo33]

Yikes, Henry called Rambo Johnny’s “lover”… IDK if that’s true, but if it is, ir’s not meant to be publuc knowledge. JL was a devoted husband to his late wife Nora.

[@matthewramey5677]

That is not true at all. Rollins is way outta line.

[@damotheman4196]

​@@matthewramey5677Was a weird swipe wasnt it? Especially as Rambo was aplogising.. It just came off really weird if it was an attempt at humour... "aha look he's gay"... Like it really came off like that.. He had to have known (since) how ill Nora was at the time..John was under a lot of stress, as anyone who's dealt with that disease will know. Maybe it was a joke that fell flat...it just didnt feel like that.. Felt like he was tryina "out" something.. "Not cool" to use Henrys own words.

[@1985cactus]

That's weird cause he has some many closeted gay rumors.

[@nitemirror1]

marky ramone was there twice.

[@jma6893]

Marky Ramone, and Marky Ramone's wig... 2 different personalities haha...

[@hawkrolla]

Henry is the guy who always knows more than everyone in the room.

[@SenserAwe]

Henry is the guy who thinks he knows more than everyone in the room

[@iggypopisgod9]

at least on music....

[@thatlittlevoice6354]

Just ask him

[@cd0u50c9]

He mostly knows how to lecture and is a master of holier than thou. I appreciate him, but there's snobbishness in his act and presentation. He's not the final word on people that he judges, and he only appears to think through music itself, which is fine, but there's real people behind that music, that might be different to him.

[@cpmorgan5000]

Facts, definiltely got the fragile ego in that realm@@SenserAwe

[@erminschadich1544]

i watched the documentary. Jonhy Rotten was the best because he was real. The others were like the boring poppet dolls of the show business industry.

[@yandan7010]

"iT iS wHaT iT iS!" The reddest flag of all red flags.

[@matthewramey5677]

Can't believe Rollins called his handler gay and said he thought about punching him. Whatta weird hypocrite way to be about it

[@allanmoorhead9492]

Where did he get the idea that they were "lovers"?

[@matthewramey5677]

@@allanmoorhead9492 I saw the video and Rollins was all laughing and smiling didn't say a word when it happened. In America they still use calling someone gay or their lover as a slur or a put down. Which I thought Rollins was way beyond but no he's a fake too

[@itheuserfirst3186]

@@matthewramey5677 It's used as a slur everywhere.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

@@allanmoorhead9492 He was joking. By "lover" he meant personal surrogate. Rollins said that he was basically his baby sitter.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

@@matthewramey5677 He was referencing his dependency on this handler. You can climb down off the ledge now.

[@PositivePokemonPlayers]

Lyndon was out of line but also dealing with problems at home. Hopefully he finds peace. ❤

[@kingofallwhites]

True but he’s a trump supporter now. No excuse for that.

[@Foo-oo-oo-oolsGold89]

​​@@kingofallwhiteswtf has that got to do with his wife having alzheimer's disease ? You yanks dont know shit. Hence the reason trump was your president.

[@johnfused8281]

​@@kingofallwhiteswhy what's wrong with that

[@PositivePokemonPlayers]

@acidbathspaandresort815 who you talking to?

[@antonioprovenzano5130]

​@@kingofallwhitesno excuse for you vermin

[@haraldtheyounger5504]

What crap, I watched the press conference on youtube. Sure John Lydon was drunk, but still talking sense. He actually said "Iggy was not a punk", which is true as punk is a moronic term invented by the UK music press to insult the new bands like the Pistols, the Damned, etc. As for Marky Ramone, he just doesn't understand the huge difference between what happened in the UK and the CBGB's scene. The Ramones did a good album but then got stuck in a rut, that's not what happened with the UK bands, especially the Pistols who were not in it for a career as a rock n roll group! The real difference being the direct attack on the way things were in the UK, that's why the British Establishment feared these bands so much. They were the next step upwards from the 60's rebels.

[@1985cactus]

A good album? More like three-four perfect albums. And a bunch of good ones, afterwards. Should The Ramones sing about attacking the British government? I don't understand what you are saying. Also, why didn't Johnny quit PiL then, after first two records, instead of putting out crap for longer that The Ramones were active?

[@haraldtheyounger5504]

@@1985cactus Obviously, we all have differing outlooks and tastes. It's the lyrics which make the difference, the Ramones were traditionalists indulging themselves with relationship problems, whereas the likes of the Sex Pistols had a deeper dimension. Why would an American band sing about the UK government, when they have enough evil within their own? As for Lydon, ask him. I cannot answer, but I do agree he should have quit after Album, but he may have desired more mainstream appeal thereafter.

[@jamesn5595]

Is the part about being suburban rich kids not true?

[@kwoylee5617]

One of the things that Henry keeps saying that always makes me cringe is: "I come from the blue-collar working world." The guy had a couple of service jobs as a teenager... like every teenager does... but his father (while an asshole) was a college professor, and he's spoken about how his mother was a high-flying executive in DC. He went to a private military school. His upbringing may have sucked, but he's always been middle-class, and the punk/hard-core movement in the US was dominated by well-off, white suburban kids.

[@SirBoycie]

I'm not believing anything from someone who has to fit "...and I'm good at knocking guys out..." into the story. Yeah, sure.

[@cd0u50c9]

Given that he's 5ft8 we all know how that insecurity manifests....

[@MirageMusicUk]

​@@cd0u50c9So guys who are 5" 8 and under can't fight? Really? Mate I'm 5"6 and i can handle myself I had to because i got bullied..so yeah small guys aren't to be underestimated.

[@dunsaniandreams9]

Johnny is the only punk rocker on the panel

[@jamesscottvideos]

The irony of an anarchic performer being a bit anarchic at a documentary about punk.

[@hamupinhere]

For a guy as stone cold sober as Henry Rollins, he sure doesn't have a very accurate memory of this event.

[@christopherknebel7493]

The Blonde giving Henry the googly eyes the whole time.😂😂😂

[@gregoryfilms9405]

As mentioned elsewhere, context is seriously missing here. Lydon (Rotten) had ballooned in weight and was having serious issues due to his beloved wife falling to dementia. I hope Rollins realises this now. Plus, he wasn't running around at all (see the video) and is pretty funny for much of the time.

[@christophernash1846]

Also his brother had cancer , and his dad died too a couple years ago.

[@natbvm1880]

He completely derailed the interview in a successful attempt to make it all about himself. Which is on brand, but disappointing nonetheless. When will we ever have these kinds of peers all on one room where you could get points of view from all over the punk historical spectrum, and instead it just became one man’s improv show. I know he was going through it, but it just bums me out that the moment didn’t get to happen.

[@Wiltz12]

That is all very sad and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but it is overlooking the fact that John Lydon has done this all of his life.

[@mattrussell8654]

Lydon's got genuine charisma the event would have been a complete yawn without him

[@Wiltz12]

@mattrussell8654 he's always been obnoxious, it was a major part of his shtick, I wouldn't necessarily class that as charisma, but different strokes for different folks

[@i_dont_live_here]

Is there more to this? I’d be interested in what else he had to say ❤

[@TylerSmithPunksOnPizza]

Punks on Pizza Podcast episode 15

[@samhain6953]

Johnny was going through a lot and then and you Henry should have known that. You should be the real man that you pretend to be and set him down as a friend

[@Tony-df5rs]

“I almost got up..” he remembers this different every time. It’s like there isn’t footage of the whole thing to jog his memory

[@WeTubule]

How would the video show whether or not he almost got up?

[@ULOVEKYLE]

@@WeTubule videos show someones internal monologue dont you know that?

[@estebancomulet]

No one would rememeber that evening or that doc were it not for Lydon's antics. And his wife was suffering badly from Alzheimers. Give the man a break.

[@likkidixx]

Quite pathetic doing some kind of lecture about the thing, at least Lydon was doing this in public with all parties there.

[@21aszhto]

@@likkidixx Someone asked Henry about it, he explained his PoV, it's not that deep

[@Shiyounin]

I love all the punk icons who go to these things, but I love the ones who don't way more

[@peterdaigle4772]

John being Johnny

[@danger.snakes]

"I'm good at knocking men out, it would have been really easy." -Henry Rollins

[@michaelwills1926]

That’s what Danzig thought too

[@sratus]

Very weird and uneccessary comment about his manager being his 'lover'.

[@waynekent7068]

Mark Lamarr told Johnny Rotten to leave part way through an episode of Nevermind The Buzzcocks. He said later it was such a shame because John Lydon was one of the most intelligent and kind people he'd ever met but as soon as the camera started rolling it was Johnny Rotten. He has become a parody of himself and a slave to his anarchic image.

[@iachtulhu1420]

What's anarchic about being Trump supporter?

[@Genghis-Khan121]

He’s fkn brilliant recognising trump !! Good on him and not falling for Marxist nonsense oh cool to be a leftist fake john is antiestablishment the left have become that establishment

[@Man-From-Another-Place]

@@iachtulhu1420 That guy who's considered a bogeyman by the entire media and political establishment but is liked by working class Americans?

[@TheJimmartens]

Somehow every time I see/hear things from Henry I appreciate him more.

[@blackpillrising3164]

Oddly completely the opposite for me.

[@NadaSorg]

I have a feeling, the timing looks correct, this was around the time of his wife's death after the battle with Alzheimer's. 3:08

[@TylerSmithPunksOnPizza]

This video was shot after his wife had passed BUT the incident Henry's speaking of regarding the Q&A was shortly before his wife passed. Johnny gets a call in the middle of the Q&A and explains his wife is very sick so he needs to take it.

[@ashd-h4911]

The worst people are old people who are literally against everything they stood for when they were young but do not realise they are .

[@sirdouglas2010]

You said it! John Lydon s a fucking MAGA now. I guess if you marry a rich lady you don't care about poop people anymore.

[@natemendsen1629]

That is not Johnny .He realized who the establishment is has changed.

[@ashd-h4911]

@@natemendsen1629 that's exactly what I was getting At.

[@natemendsen1629]

@@ashd-h4911 Read ya wrong...Very good....

[@cd0u50c9]

@@ashd-h4911 Try explaining that to people who think that punk aligns with a political ideology of any kind...

[@CartoonFlophouse]

Henry forgot the part where Johnny Rotten tells him that Black Flag's music is boring.

[@lindadianda6035]

😂😂😂

[@rrbh]

Lydon couldn't tell you the name of one Black Flag song if his wife's life depended on it. His knowledge of the US punk scene could be written on the back of a postage stamp.

[@lewisb85]

@@rrbh his knowledge of the uk punk scene was also minimal at best, he was on a panel with penny from crass for 4 music and when the question about how crass fitted in with the uk punk scene he went on and on as if penny wasn't there, you could see john robb who was the chair's eyes rolling.

[@theflatulentfreddy1]

Lydon was not wrong.

[@dougrussell1926]

I met Johnny at one of my brothers parties back in the late 80's. He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone. He ended up leaving after standing there by himself for a while because no one wanted to talk to him.

[@jamesedgewood4643]

Funny but you hear so many different stories about Johnny...sometimes he's an absolute darling, sometimes not... I think in recent years perhaps he has become a much kinder person.

[@antstead2329]

Met him 20 years ago, very off as was his even more off pal Rambo. My sister met him a couple of times in punk era London too, found him funny and interesting first time , second time his mates and him were causing bother in a Chelsea pub, different person she said. As Glen Matlock said, "funny kettle of fish is John." Aye!!

[@cpmorgan5000]

Since the normal societal expectation is friends and conversation indicate success, I'm hoping next time I go to a party no one talks to me, and maybe you haven't experienced the thrill of being truly honest with someone and not giving a shit.

[@dougrussell1926]

@ColinMorganTeacher I make it a point to be straightforward, and honest with people. You can do that without being a prick. Funny though this video wasn't about me, so I can't understand why your comment was.

[@cpmorgan5000]

@@dougrussell1926 Because you said about Johnny, among other things, "He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone." Now, everyone has their off days, but Johnny is also a free thinker who seems to be close to the pinnacle of not giving a shit, so maybe he realized that everyone at your brother's party were the type of assholes who would say something mean about someone and then act live a victim who was living in the righteousness of "straighforwardness"

[@dameanvil]

00:00 🎥 Henry Rollins shares his reluctance toward music documentaries despite being frequently asked due to his ability to articulate thoughts. 00:27 💰 Rollins agreed to be in the punk rock documentary but requested payment, tired of providing knowledge without compensation. 00:55 🎤 He attended an honor panel for the documentary in Los Angeles with various musicians, including Johnny Rotten and Marky Ramone. 01:24 🤨 Johnny Rotten disrupted the panel, behaving drunkenly and insulting others, including Iggy Pop, causing the discussion to derail within 11 minutes. 02:33 😔 Rollins refrained from confronting Rotten despite feeling sorry for his state, acknowledging Rotten's influence and impact on music. 03:29 🤝 Despite the chaos, Rollins managed a somewhat amicable interaction with Rotten, reflecting on the odd and surreal nature of the encounter. 04:13 🤷‍♂ Rotten's manager, apologetic for Rotten's behavior, acknowledged the situation's nature after the chaotic panel.

[@ladyhonor822]

RIP ANGEL 💔 PHILADELPHIA USA 🇺🇲

[@cliffordhritz5215]

Lydon was the only interesting person on that panel.

[@MisfitDirectors]

You are completely right. He made it interesting. Plus he was going thru a lot at home and was drunk and he still managed to be the most entertaining one there

[@zeitok8]

how much time take Rollins to realise Jhon situation during those days?

[@lewisb85]

I've seen henry since tell the story being a lot more generous to john it was a sad time as john was going through a bad time in his life wife with dementia, dad having died and brother with cancer, he hit the bottle hard to cope with it. It was just a sad and unfortunate state of affairs, I remember henry saying since that he wished he knew what he was going through.

[@jma6893]

Well, Johnny's excuse is that he was drunk (more likely because he was dealing with a lot of serious issues at home)... but what was Marky Ramone's excuse? He wasn't even funny. Just obnoxious. And that wig!!! Marky Ramone's wig should have its own Instagram account. (oh wait, it does!)

[@cd0u50c9]

He was also peak edge by saying 'f**k Trump' - how punk is that in 2019!

[@jma6893]

@@cd0u50c9 Johnny Ramone would have been mad if he was still alive hahaha

[@jasoncolley4102]

Don't forget John's friend had just died, kieth flint from the prodgedy he wasn't him self 😢

[@tileux]

The sound is really hard to make out on this video.

[@mattosborne1366]

Thanks for the vid but holy shit man: some warning for the shouting "thank you very much Henry" at the end. Had my speakers up to hear Henry! Blew my ears out.

[@kellydoll]

Henry, I didn't think you felt so strongly about that night because you seem to laugh and enjoy yourself. I had some respect for you that night and now I have none.

[@gunshoot5994]

I don't think Henry knew he was being filmed here. From what I seen, I thought Duff and Henry were aware that he's drunk, he's a punk legend with no filter so they knew what to expect. But now he's talking about how he called johnny out, grabbed his fingers and would have knocked him out, what? he was laughing the entire time and backing away everytime Johnny gave a response, you can even see on the video he is indeed holding his fingers and that's because he's filming him smiling.

[@ethanblackhurst8593]

The man who dresses Iggy Pop. Now that's sad.

[@jeblmknctmabtaldlr]

"Iggy, today, I've selected for you: no shirt and an old pair of jeans. Looking to tomorrow, the outfit will be... no shirt, and let's say... an old pair of jeans."

[@cobra5088]

One of the funnier commets i read here.

[@PZBrooklyn]

I found the video of this event on YT kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpm5i3-CZtWAh5I. Rollins' description is quite distorted. Lydon isn't running around the room, he's seated the whole time. Admittedly, he's obnoxious as hell and hogs the mic somewhat, but other people get to speak too. He has a great shouting match with Marky Ramone at one point, and Ramone hilariously ranks him out Brooklyn style, which Lydon clearly enjoys. The exchange Rollins describes between himself and Lydon happens while they are sitting on the panel as part of the discussion, he doesn't walk over to him. The whole event was fun and crazy, definitely doesn't end in 10 minutes--the video is 24 minutes, and the beginning was cut so it probably ran over half an hour. Without Lydon, it would've been a total rock geezer borefest.

[@Genghis-Khan121]

He called M Ramone for what he was a second edition not original member 😂 Johnny is and always as been un conformist that’s what he was displaying but at a very difficult sad time in his life and also happened to be pissed out of his mind , only a real prick would use that debate make himself feel riotous and important condemning someone worth ten of himself

[@ChargerBullet]

Rollins is talking about the panel where they were all seated but also the instances before and after the session.

[@throbadelica]

johnny the true punk, the others outa touch, still don`t realizse what happened on that day.

[@JMarinelli]

Henry attempting to "out" Lydon (re: his comments about Rambo) is a bit fucked up. Anyway, it's not a decision I would've made.

[@joshmayfield7151]

ITS DONITA SPARKS BTW MR. GARFIELD...

[@pukebucket5360]

An HBO documentary about punk...Sounds like it went down exactly like it should have...

[@charleshannam]

Rollins version of how he reacted to events that evening is simply not true. The video is on KZbin.

[@glengamble526]

‘I’m really good at knocking men out’ Really..? Examples please? Im guessing there are none, as they’d then take you to court for all of that Gap commercial/ SOA money. I like Henry-he’s cool as shit. But enough with the tough guy talk.

[@1985cactus]

He's the opposite of cool

[@Dave-ro3nj]

If the event was all classy and polite it wouldn't be punk.

[@GrievousThaumatin]

John always wins hank

[@donnerschwein]

ngl the panel was hilarious to watch

[@465marko]

The video, or the part that was videoed, is on youtube. Henry had the best reaction of everyone there, imo, which was just to laugh at the absurdity of it. So, in a tiny, minute way I cringe to hear him say he thought about punching out John at the time. Partly cause that's always easy to say afterwards, and partly cause it would have been a stupid reaction. It's not a good idea to take a drunk person seriously, imo. John was clearly pretty drunk and obviously alcohol just exacerbates his existing condition; tending to be as controversial and verbally confrontational as possible. It did make him look sad. And I'd bet he regrets it. But these things happen sometimes. And I think in American culture, people take stuff like this a little too seriously. Just my opinion. And why I say Henry's response at the time was perfect. This isn't to excuse drunken behaviour, but there's just no point in getting offended and arguing with a drunk person. You just can't take that seriously. Even they don't believe what they're saying most of the time. Just my opinion. But it was pretty entertaining.

[@paulwally9007]

John Lydon -an upstanding fellow when sober and happy. A total jerk when drunk or upset. Like quite a lot of us.

[@465marko]

@@paulwally9007 Exactly. Turns us all into the same obnoxious asshole (if not immediately, eventually).

[@matthewramey5677]

Called his handler gay and said he thought about punching him

[@danielcollinson4456]

​@@matthewramey5677 John Rambo is not gay

[@matthewramey5677]

@@danielcollinson4456 yeah I know Henry shoulda try saying that to Rambo's face

[@mayorpufnstuf4470]

The only punk thing about Henry Rollins is when Johnny Rotten punked him live to his face and Henry sat and took it

[@simonprodhan5050]

whilst i respect rollins, i've always found him rather dull, i loved punk(or liked it a lot to be more precise) but it doesn't really mean a great deal now, rotten is a legend regardless of how he turned out, rollins is nowhere near him, its funny how precious some people are over punk, interminable arguments about it and a kind of almost religious reverence for it, it was just music and fashion for young people that's all

[@hammerhead222]

First guy to suspect the Rotten-Rambo relationship out loud. That I've heard anyway.

[@MikeGervasi]

Thing I've found over time is Henry likes to embellish his stories at shows. I looked up one video he had mentioned to me after I'd seen him and saw that it was pretty far off what he had described. I pointed this out and the only thing he could reply was "thanks".

[@WeTubule]

Are saying he's embellishing here?

[@adamwright4135]

@@WeTubule well for one example, it was actually Henry who initiated the handshake with Rotten ... check the video of the press conference

[@AsherReed]

@@adamwright4135one small error on who “initiated a handshake” is apparently embellishing a story I suppose? LOL

[@adamwright4135]

@@AsherReedsounds like you need to look up the definition of “embellishment” LOL

[@andrewheaton3755]

Henry Rollins is a self obsessed prick

[@cd0u50c9]

Chances are John Lydon is still far more sincere and human than the rest that enjoyed blowing his outburst out of proportion. Equally, none of the people present would have taken on the job of being the full time carer for their partner that's slowly dying and getting worse by the day. Nothing but respect for the legend that is John Lydon - stay true, honest and human, we love you for that.

[@emptyemptiness8372]

Don't forget he also raised his step daughters (Ari) children after she died , he has been lippy, confrontational...but he has also shown us how a GOOD man acts when it comes to caring about people and he definitely stepped up. I hate his political direction now but I still have mad respect for him.

[@Genghis-Khan121]

@@emptyemptiness8372 yes was just going to say that also the money he has given away over the years to children’s orphanages and many children’s charities , I do like his political views he dislike’s Marxist ideology and the fools that go along with it , he explains it much better than I can

[@cpmorgan5000]

Yeah word. Now that you mention it, Johnny kinda made all those other dudes look like they weren't punk. It was more like, "Whoa, this dude is being wild. He's making me uncomfortable." Versus, "Ah yes, my old punk days. Let's throw a chair together." And who picked the interviewer? That guy was terrified, trying his damndeset to manipulate Johnny back into a confortable norm (like your typical school teacher), with his big rounded face looking soft as hell. Much respect to Marky Ramone; it seems like a good punk conference could use some tense back-and-forth.

[@thomasc6574]

its all a rock n roll swindle

[@devinsinderwitcz9134]

I wish people would learn to mic level on their videos!

[@MisfitDirectors]

Rollins failed to intimidate Johnny, who looked him straight in the face and insulted him

[@gustavnovak]

I saw this n Johnny was pissed n taking the piss out of everybody...I love the pistols n PiL metal box / flowers...like Henry says Let's NOT end up like him...

[@vestaxwax]

Lydon wears his heart and mind on his sleeve. It gets messy. At least we know it's real. I'm not sure what's real with Hank, but he certainly loves to talk about himself in flattering ways.

[@Dressagevids]

God he does run on....and on

[@davehoward22]

Nothing worse than a man pissed outta his mind in the middle of lots of sober people

[@ottebya]

just went and watched a vid of that event/moment hes talking about and its actually pretty cool hehe, a bit punk rock a bit uncivilized but also not totally off the rails (at least the clip i saw) so wouldnt say its all bad bein an old unhinged punk rocker 🤷‍♂

[@Foo-oo-oo-oolsGold89]

His wife was going through absolute hell. I'm not defending his behaviour but he was drinking so much because he knew he didnt have much time left with a woman he was with since the age of 17/18.

[@EastLAlien]

So, at 4:07 in, did Henry Rollins just out John Lydon? You know Henry has done stuff that is reprehensible as well, but has never been outed. Sexist, homophobic, bullying type of shit, and he didn’t have alcohol to blame for it. Which, in my opinion, is worse.

[@christophervaldez8746]

Puuuuhhhhh.

[@WallyTony]

Was there 8 people there total?

[@TylerSmithPunksOnPizza]

This was a post show VIP Q&A if you're asking about the crowd.

[@LeroyKinkade]

A drunk English guy. Changed the world.

[@V8Deuce]

The best part of that isn't mentioned in this video

[@c.alejo8846]

Johnny is human and was going through a very hard time. Plus, alcohol just makes things worse. Forgive the man.

[@christopherc.9832]

Fat Mike has some funny opinions on Rollins.

[@danolivier4899]

So John was the only real one?

[@Rab-ql6en]

Anyone with half an ounce of decency or understanding could tell that John was really suffering at this point. Real classy Henry...

[@davidreal4189]

Well, apparently he’s been suffering for 40 years, because he’s been making an ass out of himself for that long. Maybe blame his handlers and whatever friends he might have instead of a guy who was just trying get something done in a professional situation.

[@timb9720]

Lydon is one of the best frontmen I've seen live, but he's always been such a slave to the camera and attention. Someone i used to work with was chatting to him in a semi-deserterd pub in London about 25 years ago. She said he was funny and charming and interesting, but as soon as a group of people came into the bar he switched to gobby twat.

[@productionf1lms]

Henry Rollins is very conveniently a "chill guy" when the situation allows, then a tough badass threatening to knock people out alternatively. It's pathetic. And besides, who cares if God damn Johnny rotten is acting up at a public event? Is the guy known for his mild manners?

[@KurtMcGowan]

It’s fun reading Azzerad’s book ‘our band could be your life’. Any time anyone met John Lydon, it was a negative or disappointing experience.

[@sexobscura]

that's simply because the man *is* a negative *and* disappointing experience

[@andrefolloni6412]

Not me. It was great meeting him. He was very nice.

[@estebancomulet]

Love how Rollins just casually throws in the Rambo was his lover. Is that defo the case/common knowledge?

[@TylerSmithPunksOnPizza]

Never heard that before, or since.

[@estebancomulet]

Me neither. Very odd claim to throw in with no basis, esp as we know how devoted he was to Nora.