Henry Winter & Des Kelly CLASH Over Gareth Southgate's Tenure As England Manager 😱🔥

Henry Winter and Des Kelly discuss the future of the England national team.
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[@YTA5690]

Southgates great at wrapping arms around the players and making them feel good but when you ask him to be a competent football manager he fails.

[@dagzey]

he's the 2nd best england manager of all time ,and thats 150 years

[@Mohawkmike]

​@@dagzeythat's like saying Di Matteo is Chelsea 2nd best manager because he won champions league. There is context behind each manager in the past

[@TerryChimes123]

Don Revie was better

[@harrybartok]

I have been watching England since the 1960s and watched many competent managers fail: Don Revie, Ron Greenwood, Roy Hodgson, Graham Taylor, Capello, Sven, and Bobby Robson. Robson was in the job for eight years and made one semi-final, he was fired before the World Cup in 1990. Be careful what you wish for.

[@Mohawkmike]

@@harrybartok so not winning with Southgate is good enough for you? He can't rely on being on the weaker side of the draw each tournament

[@krissjjt]

Can't believe a manager is measured against the feel good feeling he creates. Relying on individual moments of brilliance is NOT management. England got as far as they have in tournaments purely because of the run ins, not because of ANY input Southgate had. The one time he doesn't completely luck out in the run in and he loses at the quarter final stage - the same as other managers have under us. Without generous run ins hes taking us to quarter finalists in most tournaments at best, which with the squads he has had is atrocious. Who have we beaten under Southgate that other England managers haven't beaten?

[@redmed10]

Feel good feelings?

[@krissjjt]

@@redmed10 the media talk about how good he made the camp feel, how they enjoyed being there and how good he was with the media. His actual football management was atrocious but gets glazed over 24/7 by pundits. He was tactically inept at best. In no other walk of life is management quality based on good vibes.

[@TomBerishaj]

@@krissjjt His actual football management led to the best results anyone under 70 has ever seen from an England manager. This is not a compliment to Southgate -- England just can't produce managers. An Eglishmen has never won the English Premier League.

[@gammergq9741]

Iceland.....say no more

[@krissjjt]

@@TomBerishaj his management style or again, the easiest run ins we've ever had? The second his management is actually needed he failed at EVERY single hurdle. Ironically when we went 1-0 down we look better as his tactics go completely out of the window at that point. Do agree on the quality of English managers, but it wouldn't take a prem winning quality manager to win something with this crop of players. Just somebody who is half clued up on how to set up a team and implement a style of play

[@djmattblack]

Southgate played "low energy" football throughout the tournament. We had a decent 30 minutes against Serbia, about 15 minutes against the Swiss and the first 45 minutes against the Dutch. Apart from that we were pretty poor

[@richardfairbanks2003]

Henry Winter is correct here. Why Des Kelly has a problem with what he is saying I do not know. Why does he not want to listen? Ignorant attitude.

[@harrybartok]

I have heard this nonsense from Winter before. He has had too much influence with the FA. He used to pick Hodgson's teams.

[@JackBenjamin39]

How can an opinion be correct? It's just an opinion. Winter likes Southgate so crawls up his behind but this monologue didn't contain any facts to back up his opinion.

[@RyanAA44]

jesus Des Kelly is a child in this

[@jimwilson-kl2xs]

For 8 years Southgate ran a clique, favorites squad, 13 of the 23 would get picked, the other 10 could go blow dixie, a harmonious squad my A, Trent, Toney, Watkins, Gordon, Palmer, Rashford, Grealish, Eze, Bowden are celebrating Southgate's departure

[@philbarton2832]

I'm pretty sure I read a stat that Southgate has made more debut's and more changes to the England squad than anyone else. The favourites tag is unfair

[@esseffsee]

this might shock u but it ain't fifa u need to keep the spine of a team

[@tomnewell8886]

Theres no doubt southgate cleaned up a massive mess both inside and outside this England team after the Hodgson and Big Sam debacles and brought players and fans closer together. His record will show he did better than those before him, but when you look at performances and tactics, it was clear where he failed and likely cost England at least 1 out 2 two european championship finals. I doubt ull ever see him managing a top team ever but he would definitely make an ideal director of football for a club or even the FA itself in the long run

[@moonglum101]

This is fair. He's not a good manager but he's not useless. Very interesting observation. I think you're probably right.

[@KuluWarrior]

​@yoshiwoollyworld you must be on crack if you think England beats Spain

[@81chipper89]

We wouldn't have got to the finals under our previous managers! This "lucky draw" thing is rubbish...we couldn't beat Sweden under Sven in 2 attempts at WCs. We drew against Algeria and USA under Capello. We got beat my Iceland under Roy, and didn't even qualify under McClaren! And that Colombia team we beat at the WC in '18 would have beaten quite a few England teams I've seen, and I've been following us since Italia '90!

[@philbarton2832]

I think that's a glass half empty way of looking at it, I'd say BECAUSE of his culture revolution it got us to those finals. I personally couldn't fault his overall effect on England, it was a net positive and has created an incredible opportunity and foundation for success with a more tactically superior manager

[@jeffery8792]

Who is Des Kelly? Someone tell him to shut up.

[@Alvicado]

Dan kelly is clueless

[@leemartin3429]

Most of them are on this show

[@Fractalchemystical]

Who is Dan Kelly? He's Des Kelly.

[@thewengerinn5555]

The first bit of proper analysis on TalkSport for years and Des decides to continuously interrupt ffs 😂

[@Fractalchemystical]

If you think Henry Winter is capable of providing proper analysis then I'm afraid you are deeply mistaken.

[@thewengerinn5555]

@FreshAlchemy I can't stand him at all- I completely agree....but he was reading/quoting the official Uefa 'debrief' from the Euros which I would've liked to have heard about rather than Des Kelly being obnoxious

[@Seahawksnewera]

Why does Southgate get credit for "bringing pride back into wearing the shirt"? that is just total ****cks ....plus he took money for missing a penalty ,making a stupid advert, yes I still remember..🍕🍕

[@philbarton2832]

Because he revolutionised the culture in the England setup?

[@YTA5690]

Thank god Southgate is gone, he's tactically inept, his football is mind-numbingly boring its just pass the ball backwards, instead of going for the game and playing to win he plays it safe and just sits back and lets the opposition run all over us. Every single time England have lost its always the same mistakes, against Croatia we go 1-0 up after 5 minutes and we sit back and let Croatia run all over us and they win. Against Italy we go 1-0 up after two minutes and then Southgate plays a back 7 and lets Italy run all over us and they win. And then Spain, we just sit back and let Spain score, yes we get a equaliser but we just sit back and Spain end up winning. The man hasnt learnt.

[@Cedisdead]

He is the best England manager ever, he made these overrated players work together and was undefeated in the Euros with the best defence in the tournament, even better then France who have better players on every position. Forced the clearly better Spain squad to play at their best. English fans are not very smart tho we know that since Brexit and since they are drunk all the time.

[@YTA5690]

@@Cedisdead Would you let him manage the club you support?

[@Cedisdead]

​@@YTA5690thats uunrelevent, Im speaking of England and if they were my club 100% yes because he have turned a loser nation into a finalist nation. Lee Carsley have a really tough job trying to replicate and succeed Gareth, probably no coach in the world could do that.

[@dagzey]

@@YTA5690 club football and international football is completely different,what did all the great club managers who managed england in the past do??

[@krissjjt]

⁠@@Cedisdeaddeluded. He didn't make those players work together, did you see how the team were playing? Moments of individual brilliance saving him every single time. A finalist nation? No, the run ins Southgate had made us get to finals. The second he played a big team early on as other England managers had in tournaments he went out in the quarter finals. Who have we beaten under southgate that other managers never have?

[@haalandoates]

Lee Carsley is the succession plan. Gareth's time as u21 manager seemed to serve him well and he was knocked out at the group stage in 2015 with Kane, Grealish and Stones. Carsley beat the Spaniards in the final playing a flexible 4-4-2 with players adapting to different positions. De La Fuente was promoted from Spain's u21s, and look at the outcome.

[@timothyosullivan222]

Des Kelly Carpets - lovely fella x

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

Doesn’t matter who is chosen next, they’ll win Nowt with England coz… England players aren’t good enough and I’ll tell you this fact now… “England will Not win the 2026 World Cup” I’ll happily wager with Anyone who thinks I’m wrong, but I’m not.

[@purehyperbole5727]

Man, a clash for the ages...

[@Fractalchemystical]

Are you trying to bore us all to death here or what? Putting the word "CLASH" in the title is like trying to polish a turd. I know all your videos have clickbait titles but maybe you should start producing content which actually lives up to these sensationalist headlines.

[@robertryan6782]

'Henry Winter & Des Kelly CLASH Over Gareth Southgate's Tenure As England Manager ' - Was the video title, not saying I want a row but wasn't much of a 'clash'.

[@philbarton2832]

Typical clickbait we've come to expect from talkSPORT unfortunately. The people in charge are pathetic

[@StevenWilliams-l2j]

Eddie Howe a dead beat loser.Never won trophy and never will. Hovered around the lower half of the premier league, joined a big club (😂😂😂) Newcastle with wealthy Arab owners and achieved nothing. Jurgen Klopp knows the English premier league and how to organise a team. A master of the pressing game that Spain deployed in the Euro’s He has an immensely talented squad that could have done far better without the insipid GS as manager.

[@darrencarter6350]

Seldom do international managers go back into club management and have the same effect as they did prior to being an international manager

[@oliprj8676]

Hardly a clash is it 🙄. Steve Cooper is Welsh ffs

[@harrybartok]

Winter recommended Hodgson for the job. The FA made Stuart Pearce Capello's assistant and that did not work out well. If you want someone capable of making clever tactical changes in big matches, no English candidate has that experience, not even Howe. They are not going to win the World Cup with Potter or Carsley. Pep has made some appalling tactical such as dropping Rodri for the Champions League final, he often panics under pressure. I would go with Tuchel for the next World Cup, he's tactically shrewd and is a proven winner and unlike Sven and Capello he has lived in England. Poch would be second.

[@vjaska]

Anyone who cares more about the nationality of an international manager than getting the best manager for the job has their priorities all wrong.

[@philbarton2832]

I completely disagree. It's us Vs them. It's English players so should be an English manager. Any other nationality creates a conflict of interests too

[@AlexMalpas]

Does Des Kelly ever give his opinion on anything?

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

Why is everyone scared to criticise the players? It’s the players at fault for goodness sake. Stop Pampering their already inflated egos. Tell Them!

[@royhammond2232]

Why are you there Des Kelly? Henry was trying to make an excellent point, and all you want to know is the name of the next loser

[@SDMotorsports]

Des Kelly is brilliant

[@jeffery8792]

Are you joking?

[@David-xy2ly]

You can say all the other components like great players home draws away draws England had, but Southgate playing style was terrible,boring to watch for fans. I take my daughter Liverpool games and she said I don’t want to watch England anymore

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

Very original. Which pundit are you listening to and repeating?

[@scotteaglen4872]

Southgate has been incredibly lucky in that the quality of international football hasn’t been this poor in decades. We’ve had the best squad for two tournaments running and failed because of his tactical incompetence. But yes, well done for getting the squad to be best mates.

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

That's ridiculous. Which pundit are you listening to and repeating?

[@philbarton2832]

France would beg to differ. Not once has England ever been the favourite to win an international tournament

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

@philbarton2832 100%. Makes me laugh when you hear people say England have the best squad of players.

[@MrValiant61]

What clash?

[@beefsuprem0241]

Winter and his ilk praising Sidegate for intangibles like meh culture again. Because they cant praise him for anything else.

[@neilphipps806]

Des Kelly is an awful bag of nerves and mumbling nonsense here.

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

He Failed, as expected. End of.

[@philbarton2832]

Success is relative. Southgate has been out most successful manager in 58 years

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

@@philbarton2832 Rubbish. They’ve all Failed. Won nothing. Success is Winning not 2nd place. England have had 58 years of failure soon to be 60.

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

@@philbarton2832 Rubbish.

[@philbarton2832]

@@pearcegreatesteverleftback03 Do facts scare you fella?

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

@@philbarton2832 Facts? Which facts equate Failure as Success??

[@darrenredden3289]

Southplank gets a A+ for "cultural woke reset"😂 An A+ for media and A+ for team harmony😂. For tactics and style of play he gets a C- 💩

[@philbarton2832]

And you get an A+ for parroting terms like "woke" in a futile attempt to sound edgy

[@darrenredden3289]

@@philbarton2832 and I give myself an A+ for not caring about your options 🤣

[@philbarton2832]

@@darrenredden3289 Yet here you are...

[@davidjohnson4498]

So it was Southgates fault that this " really good squad" couldn't keep the ball ? Either Henry winter is a idiot or he thinks we are ? England squads for 50 years couldn't keep the ball when it mattered most

[@jeffery8792]

Yes it is….. Southgate’s tactics are terrible and always have been. Easy draws have allowed him to get deep into tournaments. He has a 12 percent win rate against teams in the top 10. You will see how good Southgate is if he manages in the premier league again. Last time he got relegated.

[@MySamurai77]

@@jeffery8792 For England 12% is a really good record.

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

​@@jeffery8792Very original. Which pundit are you listening to and repeating?

[@happyaslarry5839]

Garth Southgate did not make the squad _ the clubs made / developed the players

[@GragarTheGreat]

Great politician poor manager

[@jeffery8792]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

Very original. Which pundit are you listening to and repeating?

[@jeffery8792]

@@JM-1Le-d9p anyone that has ever watched or played football. If you’re happy with what Southgate has done…. Then you’re a loser with a loser’s mentality

[@pearcegreatesteverleftback03]

Now the managers are too young?!! FFS WHY keep skirting around the REAL REASON we aren’t winning tournaments? England players are not good enough. That’s the simple truth.

[@JM-1Le-d9p]

Lacking squad depth in central midfield and left back also.

[@royhammond2232]

What do you know 🤷‍♂️😊

[@GD-yn7ev]

Two heavyweight clowns lol

[@MySamurai77]

It's not Southgate's fault England were boring. That's just the way the English play football their football identity is being dull.

[@GragarTheGreat]

Your identity is being dense

[@Fractalchemystical]

Pure ignorance.

[@MySamurai77]

@@Fractalchemystical It's true! England 1996 at the Euro's - very boring team had one decent game against Holland the rest of the games very dull with the odd moment ( sound familiar?). 1990 England were roundly slated for being a very boring team, at the time the fans hated Bobby Robson and wanted him sacked for his boring tactics. Even back in 66'' Ramsey''s "wingless wonders" were setting back entertaining football by decades. It's just the way the English play football, always have and always will. England produce strong, athletic but technically basic players, so they will never be able to play like Brazil or Spain NEVER! It doesn't matter who the coach is.