Here’s how Athena’s “mind” melody gives us insight into her character!

[@islabarker133]

Telemachus' riff shows that he is becoming hid own person and not just Odysseus' son, because he lived in his father's shadow That's so cool!

[@fatimahabdur-rab8572]

YES EXACTLY

[@gwenward2141]

But it does still work with Athena's note, showing how they both consider her a friend

[@osasob007]

the melody at the end of "God games" and how it harmonizes between "warriors of the mind" and "legendry" almost took my soul

[@Aivi_xoxo]

Ikrr

[@mer_acle8101]

wait you got to keep your soul after that?

[@Dr_Mortis_SCP]

I am so glad someone else noticed that

[@osasob007]

@mer_acle8101 only crumbling remains, but yeah some of it still here , overdosing on copium tho

[@Autumn-xs1bt]

right I instantly got it for once during the livestream 😭

[@professional_n3rd]

babe wake up Jorge's talking about his music again!!!

[@cabin7slytherpuffempath]

I love your profile pic! Is that Starfire?

[@professional_n3rd]

Tysm!! It is, there's also a matching Raven on Pinterest if you're interested!

[@blossom6792]

I’m awake 🤩

[@LizaaFernando]

"yapping" you mean

[@Firefox_GAMERS]

*me in the morning*

[@dandysworlder]

at this point we’re going to start picking out the SMALLEST easter eggs in every song ever

[@hindymarkowitz1340]

Yes because we're supposed to, that's what this musical is and it's awesome!

[@tomsalamida6009]

In god games we here the melody of “cause he is a warrior” *THEN* We hear “CAUSE I WANNA BE LEGENDARY!” I like to think of this as Athena letting go of her Philosophy of Ruthlessness just for this one time. And Her realizing Telemachus and Polites idea to greet the world with open arms could technically work

[@Fireburst-kp4rm]

Also at the end of God Games, when Athena's last words were to release Odysseus, it's the same last note that was in warrior of the mind.

[@koalafication1018]

I noticed that in God Games, Athena sang Hephaestus' harmonies when she talks to Apollo. Idk why, though

[@ChaoticDoodle]

Fr 😭😭

[@JayHerrans]

Thank you so much to my Patreon members for suggesting this video!! 🥹🙌🏼💙

[@Da-Storms]

Hi!!!!

[@GDCilia]

We love you Jorgy Borgy!

[@nyx1016]

💗💗💗

[@Bananafam-e4l]

Hi

[@RemmiBurdine]

Jay, I know you won’t see this, but I look up to you a lot, kind of like an idol. Me and my friend talk about you all the time. We are hooked. I love you! ❤❤❤

[@roma._.4900]

NO CAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO THE SONG YESTERDAY AND I STARTED RANTING TO MYSELF ABOUT THIS EXACT THING.

[@swervyman]

YES EXACTLY I REMEMEBER WATCHING THE LIVE AND WHEN WE'LL BE FINE CAME I WAS LIKR WOAH !!!!

[@prince_of_art]

I love ranting to myself about things its so cathartic. That was a cool detail you caught.

[@_-drowsy-_]

LMAO SAME WAIT WTF

[@Panda13990]

Omg same

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Yeah i spent all week thinking about this and finding better headphones to notice the different tonal shifts because of how connected they all are

[@anabrenda7658]

THE GODDESS OF WISDOM GETTING FRIENDSHIP ADVICE FROM A KID THAT GOT IN A FIGHT AND DIDNT DIE😭😭😭😭😭

[@GHOST-in-the-MACHINE]

She caught him on a really good day, lbr. One could say, the best day of his life.

[@anabrenda7658]

@@GHOST-in-the-MACHINE REAL!! I guess they’ll be fine

[@DCOI33]

How is it possible to put SO much thought into EACH song!?

[@_-drowsy-_]

Ikr? The only other person I can think of that puts this much thought into each song (even if it’s not throughout each album) is Eminem, like seriously you should check out those color coded rhyme videos

[@XSweetCherryBlossomX]

FR

[@edgbarra]

Neurodivergence probably

[@zamirtachackvalencia1212]

Cause this is his first big project after college which he started 5 years ago

[@DCOI33]

@@zamirtachackvalencia1212 True. Its still amazing tho

[@nashavaz-hj1uq]

I think Telemachus is a good example of how wisdom can come from anywhere. Him being so inexperienced to give a goddess who is experienced advice is such a great message and he’s honestly one of my favorites

[@RandomBrit0]

2:49 this at 1.75x speed sounds like me explaining this musical to my friends lmfao

[@DragonXXLilly]

lol-

[@servantbee.]

are yall just watching videos on 1.75x speed to figure this out?? 😭😭

[@Flint_the_uhhh]

​@@servantbee. Yes😅

[@DragonXXLilly]

@@servantbee. Yea why?

[@servantbee.]

@@DragonXXLilly i cant tell if youre genuinely confused about why i would be confused about that

[@nightdust9724]

Winions, behold! Our captain has posted!! 💛

[@QuackDaQuela]

finally!

[@triciaizzo4825]

Omnomnom

[@BenjaminAllison-ec5qd]

*pop pop pop*

[@mer_acle8101]

CAPTAIN!

[@LEOS-TOOLBELT-REAL]

CAPTAIN!!

[@HazelLeatherman]

Jorge has no right to be such a genius

[@LovelyLilly.Isabelly]

Ofc he has,I mean,he is JORGE ✨️

[@HazelLeatherman]

@@LovelyLilly.Isabelly Fair enough

[@ChaosQueen623]

@@LovelyLilly.Isabelly**Mr Jalapeño

[@LovelyLilly.Isabelly]

@@ChaosQueen623 **Jorgenbong Borbongong

[@_itskira_9241]

@@LovelyLilly.Isabellyyeah

[@andreea_lestrange]

I swear Jorge is just Lin Manuel Miranda's long lost brother or sth

[@Kayla_daughter_of_Hermes]

IKKKK

[@Apollos_daughter5]

Totally 😂😂

[@deejaydee1578]

@Music-Fan-j5b shhh... you're right... but they'll get mad...

[@Gaias_tree]

fr fr

[@AishathFauzaaIbrahim]

Apollo is related to Lin Manuel Miranda?

[@hermionegrangerswife]

I love it when Jay talks about little details in Epic, it’s so cool.

[@PartheNOs0606]

I also love how the melody is also incorporated into the end of God Games. After Zeus strikes Athena with his first bolt and as she flashes back to Ody handing her a baby Telemachus, you can hear the WOTM melody playing . . . With the Legendary melody playing in place of Ody’s original riff - showing how both Ody and Telemachus have influenced Athena and how she’s now fighting for the both of them! And of course, it plays as she makes her final stand and pushes through Zeus’s strikes, giving everything to save her friend. JORGE, YOU ARE A GENIUS.

[@themusicalanimator5919]

I need 6-7 hours of Jorge talking about riffs and motifs

[@jhonmimoya4824]

Me too

[@EdjNovastar]

I like how at 2:16 ish Jay makes a face as if he didn't like how he sung that note. Then from this point on he sings slightly less high-pitched 😂

[@qpg16]

But was still killing it up in that falsetto.

[@EdjNovastar]

That's very true! Jay has an amazing voice!

[@joanderson6880]

Love how Telemachus' harmony evolving demonstrates that he's not just simply replacing Odysseus for Athena, but they have their own friendship based on their own personalities too, not just Telemachus' relationship to Odysseus

[@beel629]

AAAAHHHHH I CAUGHT EVERYTHING UP UNTIL THAT FINAL HARMONY!!! I JUST THOUGHT TELEMACHUS WAS DOING HIS OWN VIBEY THING TO SHOW HES LIKE HIS DAD BUT THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER

[@wafflespersonal4911]

God he's so fucking good at this. I feel like there's so many layers to this musical

[@spectralsoul4574]

Captain is the same level of genius as Odysseus himself. He should be try auditioning for Odysseus in a new musical that will be released in a few months later this year. Note: the musical is called Epic, for anyone wondering

[@Muslimah_4_Life]

I’m genuinely confused on what the joke of this comment is. Is it because he’s already Odysseus?

[@Staryly_]

He’s connected my 3 favourite songs…. I now have 1 favourite melody/riff/motif

[@-Breen-]

Same

[@strongfish9198]

Shes teaching him the song of her and his dad, she's passing the melody down 😭❤️

[@jackireland5114]

Oh my god each song has so much depth!!!

[@alenecameron1542]

It’s so FREAKING COOL how much detail and thought and Easter eggs go into making all of the music for Epic. It’s impressive how Jorge can keep track of it all.

[@minyukine1589]

I can see the difference, that really is like a Athena journey character development over the years😮😮

[@Fairygoblet]

She becomes less ruthless ruthless more compassionate and more willing to show vulnerability

[@Yeahhhh-hii]

Jorge is a warrior of mind thinking about all these easter eggs😂

[@esteicy98]

"We'll be fine" is this close to become my favorite song from this saga and this just pushed it further into first place.

[@eden-the-thirteen]

Gotta love the thought, attention to detail, and care put into every song.

[@TrueVocaloidFan]

I LOVE YOU JORGE PLEASE DON'T DIE TO AN APPLE NAMED SHELDON APPLE SMITH

[@kctoygacha5069]

That's oddly specific

[@PasteltheRooster]

Jorge, the amount of time it must take you to put all of this into EPIC is insane. Thank you for everything you do ❤ Edit: Jorge appreciation section!

[@nightdust9724]

@@PasteltheRooster Thank you Jorge ❤ Jorge-appreciation section!! :D

[@Faith276]

It's so beautiful how there's so much THOUGHT put into every song

[@Smokey_Blue]

I love all of the motifs so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Finn_Gottlieb]

Wisdom is not defined by age and the truly wise learn to embrace this simple truth

[@GredTheAceAllayVods]

So glad I noticed Athena returning to the riff on my own in ‘we’ll be fine’

[@Peace873]

I don't think there is anything as joyous as watching a creator talk so passionately about his creation

[@MurderDragons-q5w]

Honestly Jorge, this feels like Inception when you got to Athena singing with Telemachus! Odysseus adds on to Athena’s rift, Athena builds her rift on Odysseus’s, and Telemachus makes his own tune out of Athena’s rift on Odysseus’s rift who made the rift on top of Athena’s

[@kaylaHat]

Oh i noticed the warrior of the mind and goodbye thing but not Telemechus! I love the details that go into this please never stop rambling

[@Cleo_was_here]

Jay: *explaining the Easter eggs behind epic* Me: wow he can sing really high

[@daninb8939]

No kidding, I was damn impressed

[@justreshtrynachillax]

Love the details of everything from the motifs to the musical language in this mythological musical, and I love these mini yap sessions of you explaining your in-depth thought process behind everything, it just makes it even more cohesive and compelling! Keep doing what you do best, Jay, we can't wait for more!~🙏🏽🎶✨ Comrades, let's continue to stream the Wisdom Saga, Full Speed Ahead!~⏳🎶✨

[@cloud_poof3216]

Full Speed Ahead!!

[@lyn_cei]

i listened to we'll be fine and i instantly said "He is Steven Universing her" and i was 400000% right jokes aside i also love that how the final riff of the song is telemachus going further with it than anyone else had, kind of symbolizing at least to me that telemachus' emotional intelligence and in a sense emotional maturity goes further than either Athena or his dad were capable of, especially in the way their friendship broke down. Telemachus, this kid, the next generation, is capable of seeing things in ways and taking them further than those before him. And then athena immediately recognizes it with "You're a good kid"

[@adellefletcher]

This man is Apollo in disguise 🥸

[@BridieWilson-mj7cn]

dude i knew about the riffs and the symbolism but hearing him talk and explain them and how deep they go is just insane this dude is a fricking genius love ur work Mr Jalapeño

[@BOOKISH-melody]

Jorge has been waiting to long to share this with us. He was so exited.🎸🎵

[@PasteltheRooster]

I love Athena ❤

[@Skyla_moon_1]

And i cry because she died💔😭

[@Meow_potato]

I love how the music rlly shows the character development of Athena

[@blastymcsplode8265]

Yup. The moment that clicked when I heard we’ll be fine on the livestream i IMMEDIATELY started sobbing. Jorge our wonderful Captain you are a musical GENIUS💙

[@floranox816]

"We'll be fine" is also one of my favorite moments in epic: wisdom can come from innocence. Thank you Jorge for your attention to detail and the passion you put into your artwork.🥰🌹

[@Annabeth_Chase_chb]

Every time I watch a new Epic video, I want to be more and more like Jay. He brought me out of such a bad spot, and I just want to give him the biggest hug. Jorge, you saved my life, and then made it better. Thank you

[@kristinakostic2388]

No wonder parts of We'll Be Fine reminded me of Warrior Of The Mind 😭

[@NovaJamil]

Dude there is so much detail here- if it wasn’t for this video i would have never noticed any of that- this just shows how much thought it put into this project and it is beautiful

[@keyaxedits]

OMG WARRIOR OF THE MIND WAS WHAT INSPIRED ME TO WRITE ANOTHER FIRST DRAFT

[@avaglennon9873]

Learning about these small details is so cool! Telemachus might be my new favorite character honestly, he’s such a cinnamon roll.

[@jasonpcrawfordauthor]

I love how joyful you are when talking about your work. You should be.

[@light_s_daughter]

And this is why We’ll Be Fine is my favorite song of the Wisdom Saga.

[@qweencalliope]

What I love about these tiny little embellishments is you can also hear them played in the backgrounds of other songs & it’s almost like we can tell who is on the characters mind during the song. you’re actually so clever & your attention to such intricate details is incredibly impressive.

[@MCpro229]

'its marketing' they said 'he's the one who wrote it why is he so excited?' they said. 2:51. Look how hyper and excited he is. This man is proud of himself, and we should be too. He made a thing, and he's come to show us just how thought out and cool that thing is, and goddamnit Jorge I wanna hear every last little lyrical piece of absolute art that you wanna tell us about

[@yourboyneedsahobby]

Jorge explaining his complex musical theories always gives off the same energy of the pepe silvia meme (but in the best way lol) 😂 😂

[@valery9178]

we’ll be fine has become one of my favourite songs in epic. it’s so pure and you feel so many emotions in it

[@randomizer701]

Can we PLEASE get a massive analysis when the series is over?? This is SO amazing and cool and I completely get why you have so much energy for this and I can't put all my emotions into typed words but THANK YOU for making this piece of history Jorge

[@nyx1016]

i love the little details omg😭🫶

[@MrTimtim99]

this is like my english professor talking about novels and saying i should find all these connections to all these random themes and characters. BUT NOW I ACTUALLY GET IT AND SEE IT.

[@cal1925]

Random words for the algo: The best thing about this game was the ability for you and the other people you interact to play with and interact to get a better experience in it as you go through it all the way

[@novahthemisfit6569]

I sooo much enjoy these snippets and insights into the musical! I like to learn all the background and method in musicals I really like and, whether this be a theatrical production or not, I'm sooo craving for the funny little informations

[@mike_bou633]

my brain is officially now mush. how can you add so much detail is so little space. your talent is incredible

[@ChaoticDoodle]

God the notes are so high 😭😭😭😭

[@Lexi-zl2pk]

I literally sung every note exactly- I swear this musical is in my head 24/7

[@Coorlik]

I love all these little details. My god it makes it all so so deeper and more meaningful.

[@marinaeditsfandoms]

You just made me tear up within 3 mins. Congratulations, this is an achievement.

[@Captain_Will13]

I LITERALLY JUST REALISED THE FACT THAT ATHENA SINGS OD’S RIFF AT THE END OF WARRIOR OF THE MIND YESTERDAY BUT OMG THERE ARE SO MANY LAYERS TO THIS WHAAAAT THIS IS SO COOL

[@Livinova555]

I swear I am way too obsessed with this….. I love epic the musical ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Lemellowfellow]

I’m so invested in this musical I explained to my friends which instrument belonged to each character and their use in the song. I’m pretty sure their a bit tired of listening to me talk about epic

[@daninb8939]

Which instrument belongs to whom?

[@charlie256Gacha_kid]

I once heard a short say "In other words, Jorge's a genious" this is proof he is

[@lordrakes5528]

I love how I listen to this like he's just a fan of EPIC theorizing the show

[@tiamevanvuuren920]

It is just so amazing. This is just one of the many notes that are repeated. My PERSONAL FAV is in "God games" when she sings: Hold your toung now, his son's my friend. And tell your lover that a broken heart can mend You want more bloodshed? Then set him free To get back to his hometown, he'll make everybody bleed Its def my fav bc it is sung in the exact same way as it was in warrior of the mind when she sang that part "i had a challange a testive skill". That whole part was basicly copied and pasted with new lyrics AND THE NYSTOLGIA. I cried as soon as she sang that verse. Im on the edge of my chair for the next saga after the wisdom saga!!! Pls dont leave us hanging to longgg i wanna see athena and oddyseus be bsf again😭😭😭❤❤❤ amazing saga❤ def my fav one so far!

[@anudrih1754]

In "God Games" when Athena sings "Hold your tongue now" part she sings it in the same melody from "Warrior Of The Mind" when she sings "I had a challenge a taste of skills"

[@eduardpaven2802]

This man has to make the music for the new Disney live action Hercules

[@timechanger6679]

I absolutely *adore* all of this little details, it’s so intricate and makes the songs *so much better*

[@ameliabond5244]

MY HEART!!!! That is too sweet! You are SO talented and creative and I can’t wait for what is to come

[@kristoffer6747]

Athena should know by now to never underestimate the wisdom one can have regardless of their age. "Wisdom beyond their years" is a saying for a reason

[@abthedragon4921]

This is my favorite motif/musical moment too!

[@Gray429]

No wonder when Telemachus sings “Maybe to fall is to learn one way” gives me chills!

[@wielderofspoons]

I love Jay confirming my thoughts of 'I wonder if this was purposefully done, that would be amazing.' the amount of depth he's put into crafting Epic is *chefs kiss *

[@TheofficialStarGirllicious]

I like how he gets more excited while explaining🤣🫶🏽

[@vivica9227]

Yeeees, I love that riff so much! I immediately noticed it in We'll Be Fine - super big kudos to you for the thought you put into even the smallest details. It really does add so much. It's also one of the reasons why this is the only song in Epic that has made me cry so far. And I mean bawling. And not just the first time I heard it either. Those pesky tears come every single time and I totally blame you for that. :P

[@SevAngelo0316]

Learning is winning. Losing is learning. Losing is winning.

[@agnesgecsey7400]

This harmony is one of the biggest reasons why I love EPIC!! Jorge is such a soprano 😂

[@sebastiandot59]

Take a shot every time Mr Jalapeño says mind

[@kennedymckinley7146]

I can relate to Telemachus. He's young, but he has learned a lot about life and beginning to shape his own take on it from himself and from others. I feel he may fit a favourite phrase of mine that my uncle said to me. "You have an old soul and a young mind."

[@ChiaraRavenneSings]

I LOVE "We'll be fine." It's my favorite wisdom saga song, and getting a little more insight on it is really cool!!!

[@wildernesstorm830]

Damn. THIS is why Epic is such a good musical. The amount of thought and intention that Jorge has put into every note and line is incredible.

[@mab_cat]

The thought behind this show never ceases to amaze me. I feel like in order to TRULY appreciate this musical you have to have an in-depth understanding of music, but even if you don't (like me), there's so, so much in it that resonates so hard and is so beautiful. I am in awe

[@abigailaltland3941]

I KNEW IT. I always thought that it was a sweet connection moment when Athena adapts to Odysseus's riff in Warrior of the Mind, AND I WAS RIGHT.

[@liblib620]

I love that you’re talking about that motif, it’s one of my favorites. Every chance I get, I talk about it. It’s such creative storytelling.

[@lilakasaulty]

Hearing Athena do the Odysseus riff again in we'll be fine broke me when I first heard it. I love the details and call backs like this that exist in Epic

[@vitaly2422]

I think any artist that thinks about and executes their art on this level deserves praise. Bravo

[@ArsonTheShroom]

I might cry..... Odysseus and Athena are my favourite

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

I LOVE that line "to fall is to learn one way. It made me cry when I first heard it.

[@Bookish_Belle]

i love how athena’s melody changes depending on how she is feeling or the situation. also mico adding a new little harmony to warrior of the mind is so cool!!

[@SageTheMage88]

The amount of times I have brought up Athena's use of Odysseus's mind harmony in the past week. I didn't find anyone else who had figured that out, or answered my rant with something other than "really?" or "are you sure?". MOTIF THEORY VALIDATION IS SWEET!