This is how the sirens’ powers work in EPIC! 💙

[@NicolaeHolley]

I noticed that we don't get the bassy danger instrument until Odysseus tells the first lie. "You know I'm afraid of the water". His gaslighting the siren kicks off the danger motif, because the sirens aren't the threat in Suffering. Ody is.

[@20storiesunder]

What a great observation.

[@stmwatha5890]

😮

[@CelestialNox]

At this point, Mr. Jalapeño is just torturing us with Polites' death.

[@ThaDreamweaver]

REAL

[@Onitheus]

He is a Different Beast now, we need someone to take the Suffering from us.

[@favourezeh2011]

REALLLL

[@C.C.FoxGAMERS]

@@Onitheus OMG YEAH!

[@TANGL3_BURR]

​@@Onitheus Literally just read this comment as the chorus in Different Beast. Lol

[@XxIgnorancexX]

When I heard Open Arms, my jaw immediately dropped. THAT WAS SUCH AN INTELLIGENT MOVE AHAAHDHSGASVDHAH

[@WinionCabinSix]

I'm crying now, great 😃

[@favourezeh2011]

HE LITERALLY GOT US ATTACHED TO POLITES BC OF THAT SONG AND THEN HE JUST DIES IN THE NEXT SAGA 😤

[@Keriya_09]

Yeahh I'm crying and wanted to curse this guy so bad but I love his music so much that I don't 😭

[@gigiBee2212]

@@favourezeh2011FR LIKE WHAT THE HECK, NOT COOL HE WAS MY FAVORITE

[@favourezeh2011]

@@gigiBee2212 SAME HIM AND EURY WERE MY FAVOURITES I WAS SOOOO SADDDDD

[@MCWaxC]

I always found it interesting how Odysseus continues to toy with the siren at the end of Suffering after he’s already gotten the information he needs. I’ve seen some interpretations of him just sadistically messing with her or even ones where his line of inviting her onto the ship is him luring her into his attack range, but I always thought of it as him just indulging in this chance to talk to his wife for a little longer, even if he knows it’s not really her. Poor lad.

[@loonelytoon6523]

Honestly I always thought *both* this things were true. We are quite irrational creatures after all.

[@ameliabond5244]

Awww that’s so sad. Poor Odysseus. I can’t imagine the trauma and PTSD you’d have after this

[@loonelytoon6523]

@@ameliabond5244 tbh, I would like seeing him dealing with the fact he killed someone that even if was pretending to be his wife he has purposefully exploited to see her again before brutally killing the impostor. But I think he cares so little about what he did to the sirens that we'll never see anything like it in the musical.

[@MFBKM]

I agree he wanted to hear penelopes voice a little longer maybe also the crew didnt end their job of collecting sirens from the water and he was gaining them time

[@ameliabond5244]

@@loonelytoon6523 That would a really cool song. It would give us some insight in how he’s been affected by everything he’s seen and done. Although, I do think he cares about what he’s done I think he just knows he has to do it to get home. We saw in Remember Them when he talks to Athena “what good would killing do when mercy is a skill more of this world could learn to use…the blood we shed it never dries.” I’m sure he does feel bad about killing who he has (except maybe the suitors lol), he just knows that if he isn’t ruthless, he won’t be able to see his wife and kid.

[@Pr3tty_Starz]

THE WAY I SCREAMED OUT POLITIES LOL!!!

[@Tiggerbelle]

Same!!

[@RacketEPIC]

Same.

[@Autumn-xs1bt]

I thought it would be Telemachus at first but then realised Ody doesn't have any memories with his son 😭

[@cHiStAhehe]

​@@Autumn-xs1bt Sameee😭😭

[@derekng7803]

I don't know how I completely forgot about Polities😅

[@adventureweirdo5095]

1:00 Ody: AHA, GUYS. SHE SAYS WE HAVE TO FIGHT A GORILLA Eurylochus: DID YOU SAY FIGHT A GODZILLAAA?

[@Archangelo17]

This made me laugh too hard 😂

[@rhylan3663]

"The lair of Godzilla... This is our only way home~" 🎶🎶

[@Eeliphant1]

Ha

[@ciomaria6137]

Ah, the brilliant Gwendy… That is my kids’ favorite short… That and Gigi’s short of Odysseus doing an interpretive dance while Scylla is causing chaos in the background.

[@justsomeguywithhalfamustac6837]

unexpected legend of avantris

[@Amberdragon-3243]

"I am so sorry, but also I'm not. *Weird screech*." How dare you. But also, thank you.

[@nightdust9724]

0:11 "That sounded cooler in my head." I love that, Mr. Jalapeño. 😂

[@Hana_H]

I’ve seen someone on tumblr say that the first melody of Sufferig, the sirens’ “penelope”, sounds as though they are harmonizing and trying to find the correct melody, which I thought was cool

[@tankoftea]

I love his huge smile when he’s talking about them luring people into the water to eat them

[@foolishfolly-x1u]

SOBBING ABOUT HOW POLITES HAS A MALLET LIKE THE SIREN BECAUSE THEY BOTH APPEAR AS SOMEONE HE CARES ABOUT??? MY JAW LITERALLY DROPPED JORGE WHY DO YOU DO THIS 😭

[@Autumn-xs1bt]

I think it's more like the siren jumbling up memories so instead of Penelope's viola, there Polites's mallet cause they're both people he cared about

[@Hello-ud2kj]

​@@Autumn-xs1btthat's a pretty cool theory

[@erenyeager1660]

​@@Hello-ud2kjits not a theory, he literally said it.

[@Gloomkore]

when u pulled out Polites music, I had my jaw dropped and my eyes filled with tears😭😭😭😭

[@MusicalsOnMyMind]

Lol. Same 😢

[@thecockatiel]

Same lol my jaw dropped so much

[@AJTheShawg]

LFMAOEODJDM MY INTUITION LITERALLY BRAINSTORMED AND SCREAMED POLITES WHEN HE ASKED THE MALLET EVEN THOUGH I DONT KNOW WHAT A MALLET IS- I love epic lol, people are cool when they like Epic, I like those people.

[@Wrathful_Banette]

also! this could be why the siren actually *believed* him saying he was afraid of the water. they didn't have enough clarity of his memories to see that he clearly wasn't.

[@derektorres3092]

Actually it might have mistaken Oddys fear of Poseidon as a fear of water. Sensing misgiving about the ocean but unable to place a face behind it so assumed it was some irrational fear.

[@JayHerrans]

Thank you so much to the lovely Patreon members for suggesting this video!!! :D 💙

[@PasteltheRooster]

I can still hear his voice 💔🕊️😭

[@Bee_Warden]

Jay, please go see #CrazyCae she has done lots of amazing videos using your songs!!! (Sorry to bug you)

[@PasteltheRooster]

@@Bee_Warden I second this! Cae is my favorite KZbinr, besides you, Jay. She is how I found EPIC. ❤

[@DrakeDragonton]

I still think an official art design from Jorge on the true form of sirens would be great! Are they more beast or woman, bird or fish, Crunchy or Punchy??????

[@Creative_At14]

Dear Mr. Jalapeño: at the beginning of Suffering we hear what I’m pretty sure are synthetic vocals and we hear them throughout the rest of the song. Does this mean that synthetic vocals are The Sirens signature instrument?

[@yourboyneedsahobby]

The best part is hidden Boss Battle cues within the song! The “penelope” lyric in the beginning of Suffering is being repeated over and over, mirroring the “poseidon” chanting at the beginning of Ruthlessness (and shows up again in Mutiny with both Ody & Eurylochus’ names being chanted because we’re divided between which one of them is the villan in this situation). Since the tone of the music is lighter it eases you into a calmer state and makes you LOWER YOUR GUARD AGAIN DANGER just like the sirens themselves!!!

[@TravellingTortuga]

Same thing with chanting Polyphemos for the Cyclops.

[@JustSomeone-2]

“I’m so sorry but also I’m not” DAMN YOU JORGE, YOU CANT DO THIS TO US 😭😭😭 Edit 1: Thanks for the likes yall! And not only that the man had the AUDACITY TO SAY HE FELT BAD FOR ODY 😭

[@Stupid_storytime]

IKR OH MY GODS

[@Noxt3l]

I'M CRYING AGAIN

[@RoseQuartz-fe4xv]

IK MY HEART SANK

[@PasteltheRooster]

It’s Polities, right?? 💔

[@radiohostalastor]

@@PasteltheRoostercorrect

[@ChelTheNerdyPrude]

I've said this one before, but I love how the Penelope motif in the very beginning is ALSO not quite right, compared to every other iteration of it in the show previously; it starts off sounding kinda right, but goes off and does its own thing on the last syllable of her name. Really gives off that 'close but no cigar' feeling!

[@MissDoesAlot]

He came back from the underworld..Just to tell us about the siren's powers...Can we give him a moment of Applause...😢Fly High Mr Jalapeño 🕊️

[@JackOfAllTrades-800]

Nah he wasn’t dead Tiresias just invited him over for a pool party at the Styx

[@Thatoneeditor1313]

@@JackOfAllTrades-800that’s way better to think about He’s prob playing with all his dead men , the baby, and his morher

[@sassysass6202]

👏 👏 👏 fly high 👏

[@joesplace2960]

This life is amazing, when we greet it with open arms…

[@laramouta4151]

One of my fave parts was when the siren tells Ody about Scylla, it plays the same note as when Circe tells him about the underworld. It's such a good throwback because the scenes do have the same feelings and purpuse

[@katiefinnerty453]

The fact that Ody l̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ cared about Polites enough for the siren to mix him up with Penelope tells me one thing they were roommates 👀

[@Ansixilus]

Ody was a Greek hero. Having a beloved wife and boyfriend is pretty much peak performance.

[@francoiscyrilo1202]

"You're fucking here and now.." "Straights are not allowed!"

[@user-ps6uu7sw3m]

Naw but when erelicous (idk how to spell his name 😭) said “only I stayed outside, but the rest went in” I said “OH HES SO GAY” out loud. Then when Odysseus and erelicous (?) were singing together they said “theres no length I wouldnt go if it was you I had to save” or smth like that. I’m so glad I can live out my multishiper dreams ody/Penelope/ewhatever/polites

[@Lord_Valmathar]

⁠@@user-ps6uu7sw3myou do realize that Ody and Eurylicous are half brothers right? Eury married Ody’s sister

[@user-ps6uu7sw3m]

@ yes, when I commented that I was young, naive, and stupid. Don’t think about it😭

[@Space_Ace39]

ICL I swear lil bro is Odysseus reincarnated. ALSO I SWEAR TO GOD ONE MORE POLITIES REFERENCE-

[@IMakeThings-h9c]

🥞

[@tesidediego9621]

@@IMakeThings-h9c :O

[@D-Oread]

@@IMakeThings-h9c💀

[@EmilyChristiansen-j3b]

Oh my gosh I'm literally building a cosplay of Odysseus built of Mr. Jalepeño himself- I can't even see him as Jorge anymore, he's just Odysseus in my head

[@AlyxandriaAshwren]

Not Epic making more references to Polites than FFXIV makes to Haurchefant

[@Nymphmyths]

"Put your seat belts on cause this is a wild ride!" *gets controlled by lore* Edit: We will miss your rollercoasters of lore Mr jalapeño fly high up up and away😭😭😭😔😔😔

[@Almost_AGhost]

? He ain't dying

[@Nymphmyths]

@@Almost_AGhost you not understand the joke?😭😭😭

[@adelinaiftime3152]

​@@Almost_AGhost a few days ago there was a meme made by someone in the community showing jorge as dead thats where the joke comes from we miss you mr jalapeno

[@heyoitsollie]

1:54 “Mallet? I mean like maybe Athena but she was piano…” **Hears the beginning of “open arms”** POLITES?????

[@heyoitsollie]

You’re a villian Mr Jalenpeno!!!!!

[@THEONEANDONLYKAIOOKIE]

He's doing everything he can at this point to remind us of polites😭🙏

[@polishka7529]

Something that broke my heart ever since my first listening of Thunder Bringer was, that when Odysseus chose to trade the lives of his men, he turned to hear Penelope singing the Suffering chorus back at him. The thing that convinces him is just an illusion, a botched memory fabricated by the siren and not his real wife. After twelve years (or so), who's to say he's not fighting for someone that doesn't exist anymore? Penelope has never sung this to Odysseus (or we, as an audience, have no way of knowing) so the only thing that Odysseus latched onto to make this decision was hope. She might had moved on and made this tragedy even worse. But alas, this is one of the few Greek stories that portrays a happy faithful couple and I'm eager to hear the rest. This musical has me so invested

[@kaukau217]

YES!!! It's his most recent memory of her, and even as he knows it wasn’t real, his heart can't help but cling to it.

[@gabrielrigon3170]

This musical as a whole is a masterpiece of subtleties. I had to re-hear the Thunder saga a few times before it struck me that the reason Eurylochus is so distraught and feeling betrayed because Odysseus was the only one who actually knew they were going through Scylla's Lair (in Epic context ofc). The context in Different Beast states that their hearing is impaired on purpose to avoid the sirens call/singing with the beeswax, and its said that they realized before approaching the sirens, so if no one is able to hear anything, the snatch plan was made beforehand and the singing is only to contextualize to us, listeners. So, if they cant hear a thing and the only one focused on the siren who actually blurted out the info about Scylla was Odysseus, then he literally was the only one that knew of the whole thing, and that actually makes Munity have a whole other level of "how are we supposed to trust you now?" Simply mindblowing ngl

[@datseawitchudontknow5329]

I always loved the interpretation that near the end of the song when the siren is repeating herself, she's getting super annoyed that he hasn't jumped in already

[@dragonova279]

Honestly, to me it feels like Odysseus heart really wanted to acknowledge that the Siren was his wife in the first lines because the way he sings “More than you know” just feels like you cannot fake that. Though that’s because of Mister Jalapeño’s amazing singing voice

[@Athene.]

Two soul crushing references in an already emotionally charged saga. The pam pam strikes again

[@Wsplife]

1:42 The way my smile slowly dropped as I realized.. Absolute diabolical genius….

[@Choomzy116]

Not sure if it’s intended, but I really like the neat comparison between Suffering and Get in the Water. Both times Odysseus is faced with “choices” to dive in and surrender to the waves, yet both times he chooses to fight and overcomes them. And both times it’s extremely hard too; he turns down the Siren despite her looking like his wife, and the second time he has to face the wrath of Poseidon alone 🌊

[@reaganmonkey8]

1:30 As a violist who hears the viola jokes online, I appreciate that the viola represents Odysseus’s goal throughout the story.

[@stardustedsage]

He started playing the freaking mallets and I said " Mr. Jalepeno WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS??" out loud.

[@PasteltheRooster]

Same, dude, same. 😭💔

[@tumblingartist]

GHDGDGDGDG LOSING IT OVER THAT T_T

[@ConnorTheUndying]

I caught the melody confusion with Poseidon and Zeus, but I never caught the mallets. God. Such masterful work from Mr. Jalapeno. If only he were still among us, rest in peace...

[@siderealstudios6877]

This officer. This man right there. Pure evil.

[@dancingwasp2610]

I remember the first time I noticed that the song skips a beat when odysseus says "oh for you I would DIE", and now I just imagine him side eyeing the siren so hard at that word

[@Tunality]

This is a hilarious visual and I will not be not be able to un-see from now on lmao thanks 👍🏼

[@Gardenfullofchaos]

Cool stuff ive noticed in the songs (this is a lot lol i love this musical) Suffering: "Penelope ive told you this before, you know im afraid of the water" Which is especially interesting that hes still checking to make sure it really isnt penelope before him even knowing nearly certainly that theres a siren before him. Scylla: Eury says he opened the wind bag while Ody was asleep (they're going into a possible death trap i really think that was a horrible move)and that was a huge shock to me because Eury had always been a voice of reason, suggesting they're as careful as possible and that they "cut their losses and just run". Scylla also implies that Eury is going to confess in "deep down, you hide a reason for shame". Ody also spent so much time believing he was at fault for falling asleep (this man stayed up OVER A WEEK) to make sure no one opened it. Eury really just didn't respect him atp. But right after he confesses Scylla sings "Leaving them feeling betrayed, breaking the bonds you have made, there is no price we won't pay" like it was Odys breaking point, he'd do anything for Eury and Eury just betrayed him like that. All he wants is to be home with his son and wife and Eury stopped that and caused so many of the men with them to die. But then "deep down we only care for ourselves" right before Ody gives Eury an order? Not that hes planning something but that he may just not care anymore. In stories that ive found Scylla has 6 heads, so 6 torches, 6 men die. Right after that Scylla sings "Deep down we're lonely demons from hell" which I believe is not only her comparing herself to Ody the whole song but also explaining how he's losing his humanity and how he's losing his close friends, people, maybe even family. Mutiny: the parallels between luck runs out and the crew singing about how his luck has run out and they cant trust him anymore Thunder Bringer: The melody after the creew (presumably) dies turns really soft and gentle, much like how it shifts when he talks about someone he cares for, especially penelope, seems like he truly cares/cared for his men and crew but his wife is always number 1 (which in "just a man" he sings "Deep down i would trade the world to see my son and wife" the world doesnt have to be literal, his crew, his people, his sanity, faith, anything or all of them just to see them both, he'd give it all up, and its what hes doing)

[@Belphie07]

2:25 I’m glad that my theory about that was finally confirmed. Another I’ve noticed and have seen someone point out before is that when Sirenelope talks about Scylla, CIRCE’S motif is playing in the background because it was Circe who made Scylla a monster

[@Dani-bx6mg]

I love the intentionality and everything he puts into his music. I can’t say the same about how he tries to hurt us in every song. 😭

[@PasteltheRooster]

😭💔

[@kaleidoscope5054]

i love being heartbroken every song 🎵 💔

[@Dagger_DA]

I love how this is the only youtuber where I watched almost all his videos and always press on his notifications.

[@lolodragneel]

I noticed that that jorge was ody , i thought that was pretty cool 3:13

[@Ihavebadideas]

Same

[@yanpayetteify]

For real me too

[@starryjune4089]

I like the way you sing Ody's lyrics. They sound so gentle and soft as if he's playing with her. He knows it's not real, but the emotion is still there. The way "more than you know" kinda sounds like, "yes, I miss her. More than you know you faker". The siren Penelope is so perfect. She sings everything like she has no thoughts in her head. She sounds innocent to an obnoxious degree. And the secret to pass through the ocean is sung beautifully. Like she doesn't know the weight of what she's telling him. As if she is having fun talking about it because she thinks he doesn't realize anything. She nails the innocent mermaid talk, it makes me like her. Honestly, I would trust her even if I had beeswax in my ears.

[@Godofduckes]

I like the mythology version where they just tie up Odysseus to a post and he’s just like the let me in meme

[@purpleflutes7884]

Jorge you did not have to hit us with Open Arms, you’ve caused us enough pain with the Thunder Saga😭 do not make it worse by reminding us of what we lost😭

[@vyseniashegejsu]

THE WAY I STARTED CRYING WHEN I HEARD OPEN ARMS 😭😭😭

[@Siseja]

LMAO just this morning i had a mix of suffering and the horse and the infant playing in my head because of that line - "he will chase you high and low" and I didnt realize there might be a reason for it !

[@Thesecrethalfblood]

"That sounded cooler in my head" Same jay same

[@LunaStardew2011]

I've got ADHD, so EVERYTHING sounds waaaaaaay cooler in my head. So, I really understand. I really do

[@jayemar527]

Everyone’s talking about the Open Arms callback but I think the really impressive part is the use of the danger motif. I remember hearing Suffering for the first time during the livestream and recognizing the that bridge but not knowing from where. I let out the biggest “OOOOOOOOHHH” of my life when Jorge pointed it out in this video.

[@Moxi_noz]

A detail I just barely noticed with the mallet motif, it sounds almost "watery" the way the melody plays. Like a mermaid or fish motif, which is a cool detail for a siren

[@kurichimu]

I noticed the siren’s voice getting more annoyed or even just pissed off the more Odysseus refused her! We start hearing the fake sympathy and caring because she’s just trying to eat him and the crew, she’s like “lol hurry up bro get in” while Odysseus tests her

[@RinChanNya]

This man is a musical genius and officially (has been for a while now) my favorite artist of all time without exaggeration. ❤

[@tiara_nila9524]

I love the attention to every little detail when it comes to the songs, especially to the different themes of each of the characters being played. The siren tried to use the melody of two of the people Ody cared so much for and ended up mixing the two which was kind of clever of the siren since she knew she wasn't possibly getting all the information she needed to get him in the water.

[@Northstarria]

I didn't even notice the part about Polities, but now I'll never unhear it 😭😭😭😭

[@ShiftingStorms]

This has to be one of my favorite songs in epic, mostly because of the pure CREATIVITY that comes from it! It also allows me to image so many different scenarios with the sirens in how they manipulate the crew :D

[@PasteltheRooster]

Gods, I can still hear his voice 😭💔 Fly high Mr. Jalapeño 🕊️💔 Edit: 743 likes in a span of 11 hours?! Thank you so much! I have never gotten this many likes, and in this short amount of time, I am shocked! Thank you all so much! ❤❤

[@CelloNuggets]

Man the sirens are now impersonating Mr. Jalapeño.

[@PasteltheRooster]

@@CelloNuggetsThey are 💔

[@Pr3tty_Starz]

May he rest in peace 😔🫶✨

[@daometh]

you guys got me worried i thought Jay was gone for a second

[@PasteltheRooster]

@@daometh😂 he made a short about how people thought he was dead bc he didn’t post for a few days 😂

[@carleytimmerman6451]

The whole thought process for this song is so darn cool! So many little elements that come together to make this song what it is that you may not think of otherwise. This man is a genius

[@alexdombrowski9483]

The amount of thought he puts into these song never ceases to amaze me. There are so many details I wouldn't have picked up on if he didn't talk about them. Now I'll never be able to unhear the mallet or the similar theme from horse and the infant and thatll make it so much better. Like how I can never unhear the choir in No Longer You singing " Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt". I've never like musicals until I found EPIC and these nods and Easter eggs just cement it as my #1 for years to come

[@LuckasSilver]

My favorite part in the song Suffering is when we hear the collective community screaming "JORGE. NO. JORGE."

[@midnightstudios35]

The sirens have always been cool to me, I'm so excited to understand how their powers work!!!

[@twokidsintrenchcoat]

I noticed that when the siren mentions Scylla “The lair of scylla, this is your only way home, the lair of scylla..” Circe’s motif plays in the background since Circe is the one who created scylla in the first place. its so fucking cool

[@t1ny.editorx]

WAIT I LOVE THIS SM, this is such an interesting take on the powers of sirens

[@Thesecrethalfblood]

Sirens>>>>>>>> (not police sirens)

[@graceho7479]

The way he asked who else had mallets and I instantly flipped off my screen with both hands… it was the mischievous grin that gave it away immediately

[@corvuswolf952]

The entire song is an absolute bop. And it has those background snaps that i just love.

[@AshenNova]

Jorge : A mallet, a instrument someone Odysseus care about- Me : POLITIES ! MY BOY !

[@Starblast14]

My heart dropped when I heard the instrumentals of "Open Arms" I was not prepared- And yeah this does makes sense as to why the Sirens screwed up a little bit, I thought it was because they were too arrogant and thought they already won. xD

[@PuppyPawsOn]

Under one minute, love you, Jorge Rivera,❤❤ Epic, my favorite musical ever

[@Zackattack151]

OHHHHHHHHH that’s actually a really unique interpretation of siren’s powers! But why? Why do you have to provide us with constant reminders on what you did?

[@ThaDreamweaver]

The important questions

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

Artists love talking about the intentional symbolism, references, and themes of their work. It’s one of the funnest parts of Audience interaction.

[@TMWIST]

I love how it feels when he says "the things i do for you" is not absolutely meant for the siren, but to himself and to Penelope. This is such an amazing song with such great layers to it!!

[@TheFlame_Hawk]

The sirens when I'm wearing earbuds and blasting Thunder Bringer:

[@graciekent9403]

The musical representation of the siren getting wires crossed from incomplete info-Penelope’s voice and Polites’ instruments. Mixing up Zeus and Poseidon’s tunes. It’s chilling in the best way. It’s like an alien or an AI in a movie that’s trying to tempt the hero but is getting the pieces horribly jumbled, yet still reminding the hero of very real trauma and connections.

[@trickster5ever]

It makes me so filled with glee to see how excitable he is about his work. Keep up the awesome work Jay!!

[@greenflame2425]

I feel like the more and more we go through the Sagas, the more unhinged Jorge becomes (minus the blue eyes filter, we gotta bring that back for like the final Saga)

[@MrGavoToYou]

This guys energy is what I live off of. If only he was alive today. 😢 fly high brother 🕊️

[@UkuleleCat_]

The amount of attention to detail to these songs is incredible

[@hello-lz4xj]

"I'm so sorry but also I'm not" - me every time I give trauma to my oc's

[@jacobrastall9319]

I realized that since the siren was picking up on Odysseus's memories/thoughts imperfectly, that also explains the reason why the siren buys that Odysseus (a man that is obviously a sailor) is afraid of the water. Because at the time, Odysseus really is afraid of the WATER god, Poseidon

[@Smokey_Blue]

I’M DYING 😭😭😭😭😭 POLITESSSSSSSS 😭😭😭😭😭

[@WYD28]

POLITES OMG!!! I love the detail you weave into each song and how they all build on each other. It's just so WOW!! Im obsessed with this musical

[@DefNotAalyah]

I LOVE THEIR POWERS THEYRE SO COOL!!!!!

[@BI1zz4rd]

My favourite line in suffering is the last “The things I’d do for you” Because I think it portraits that Odysseus waits a little bit longer to reveal that she is a Siren Just to See his wife a little bit longer

[@NarienderXDopamime]

I love it everytime he makes a random noise 😭

[@tesladajira178]

Not in that song but it took me a while to realize that, in thunder bringer, when we hear Penelope sing "I can take your suffering from you" it is always over the ensamble singing "when does a man become a monster" and it is also louder. It gives me the vibe that the ensamble is saying "you will do a horrible thing and become a monster" and Penelope is like "nonono, don't listen to that, just do what you need to do to get back"

[@user-sigmapog]

Ody: "Throw their bodies back in the water. Let them drown." The crew: "WHUT?!"

[@Orida]

Yeah... HOW DID THEY HEAR THAT

[@nekoplayer2279]

Ody: But cut off their tails first so they can't swim, then drop them back in the water. Crew: OOOHH!😮

[@hopefulstarfish7559]

@@Oridamaybe he used hand gestures to signal what he wanted his men to do, but still shouted the order to terrorize the sirens?

[@nekoplayer2279]

​​@@hopefulstarfish7559 Actually, now that I think about it... that would actually make sense. I can immediately see it play in my head. Odysseus doing both hand gestures for the crew to read while they're still wearing beeswax in their ears, and shouting orders for the sirens to listen about the terrible fate that'll happen to them.

[@toritaylor681]

There’s so much thought put into all of these songs and characters it’s so cool!! So sad Mr. Jalapeño will never get to see the finished form, he will be missed dearly ❤🕊️🫡

[@ThisJasch]

I know 😢 its so sad

[@thunderscribbles]

Fly high Mr. Jalapeño, you were such a light to our world 😭🕊️🪦

[@ChiaraRavenneSings]

You are making me tearbend sir, stop it😭 I LOVE the hidden musical messages!!

[@naru-bunny]

Always out here making us feel all of the emotions!! 😭💕

[@nyn647]

I thought it was pretty cool how the background vocals sing Penelope's motif but in slightly different notes. That first gave me a sense that something was off haha

[@qq-me2vo]

it’s so fun to think about the idea that the siren powers were working, partially. if i ever make a suffering animatic ill have to take note of that lol

[@fireflyer97]

Love the gremlin energy he brings.

[@Rubysnumberonefan]

POLITES CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD I UNIRONICALLY HAD TO PAUSE THE VIDEO AND STARE AT IT BLANKLY.

[@enzod734]

After Odysseus says “No” in “Suffering” there is a piano motif that plays while the siren is talking. The piano motif reminded me of a similar piano motif from “Undertale” called “Battle Against a True Hero”

[@actuallyMia15]

no because when he said “another important instrument: A MALLET” i thought he was talking about the tool used to break things for a second 😭

[@PasteltheRooster]

😭😂

[@goldenbunny7743]

1:59 JAY, YOU'RE THE MONSTER (rawr rawr rawr)

[@Aaronseesthings]

The way I literally screamed no when I heard Open Arms.

[@connordegn916]

@jayherrans, I have a question based on some logical presumptions the siren is not getting things wrong so much as off. EX; she messed up the instrument, its not Penelope's but Polities, or saying daughter instead of son etc. she isn't explicitly wrong, just off by a little bit. Thus, she is pulling some information from Odysseus, she has to be. So when he baits her by saying "you know I'm afraid of the water" when he isn't, he logically cannot be outright lying to her if she accepts it so easily. it has to be close, off yes, but not explicitly wrong This is backed by the patterns of Odysseus himself. he rarely outright lies. but he manages to trick various gods/monsters/etc by simply telling an adjacent truth. the horse was technically a gift, just also a trap, etc. the best example of this is Circe, he tells her he's simply looking for his men (and he is, he just also knows what happened) and successfully lies, but when he says that he got the flower with his own two hands, is instantly called out. conclusion: he somehow is scared of the water, or at least something(one) close to it The question is thus. is he thinking of Poseidon when he says "water"/she is pulling the information of that fear? or something else?

[@KnightInRed321]

Another video from jay! What a great one. Hope you have a good day and a new saga is on the way... Wink wink

[@책잘읽어주는누나]

2:08 "I am so sorry. But also I am not. EEEEEEAAAAEA-" -Odysseus at the end of Thunder Bringer

[@mooneditor_500]

Imma be sending you my therapy bills now 😭😭😭

[@nicholaseklund39]

The Open Arms throwback is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAA! How dare you, but also you brilliant madman, never stop being amazing!

[@Caitlin_WritesBooks]

2:07 😭 polites-