Here's How Our 2022 All Electric Ford F-150 Lightning Has Held Up Over 10,000 Miles of Hard Use!

[@TFLEV]

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[@danstevens7145]

On the range drop: The 320 miles is combined, not highway. Highway is 283 for EPA, meaning you had closer to a 60 mile range reduction, which, given the tires and the camper is actually pretty good overall. Going up the Dalton Hwy, the rolling resistance of a gravel type road has to be MUCH higher than on a paved road, causing a decent reduction, probably mostly overcome by slower speeds as well, balancing it out somewhat. I would have loved to do this adventure with you!

[@aaron___6014]

It's still a waste of resources. It's not good.

[@neutrino78x]

@@aaron___6014 "It's still a waste of resources. It's not good." Completely disagree. -we can't ban cars, there are lots of trips where you need vehicles like this -electric is far superior for the environment, be it battery or hydrogen fuel cell -283 miles is not a bad range. As batteries advance and get more energy density, this will go higher

[@aaron___6014]

@@neutrino78x I can travel 550 miles in my car, and pull a trailer weighing 3000lbs. Throw a trailer behind this thing and the range drops. Batteries and large EVs which burn through tires and energy are far from good for the environment. You only have so much time so you want to spend it waiting to recharge. A real f150 has a range of 550-940 miles depending on the size of the tank. Refuels in minutes. You aren't buying the future battery technology, you're buying current technology. And currently it sucks.

[@neutrino78x]

@@aaron___6014 " I can travel 550 miles in my car, " You can in an EV too, you just have to recharge. BUT. THE. VAST. MAJORITY. OF. PEOPLE. DON'T. DRIVE. THAT. FAR. EVERY. DAY. Clear? "Throw a trailer behind this thing and the range drops." Still has about 150 miles. See above. " Batteries and large EVs which burn through tires and energy are far from good for the environment." Compared to spewing CO2 and particulates, hell yes it is good for the environment. " And currently it sucks." Currently it's great, if you live in one of the urban areas, which is where 80% of Americans live per the 2020 census.

[@neutrino78x]

@@aaron___6014 Plus you're not going to drive that far in one sitting anyway. That's like 10 hours. 250 or 300 is fine for most people. 80% of us live in the urban areas according to the 2020 census. Draw a 300 mile circle around each of the ten major cities (over one million people), that's most of the population of the country. Here in the Bay Area, from Gilroy (most southern suburb/city in Santa Clara County on the south end of SF Bay) to Santa Rosa (far north end of Sonoma County on the north end of the Bay) is about 130 miles. It's rare to do that trip. These cars could go Gilroy to Santa Rosa and back again on one charge. If you were towing, you'd want to recharge in Santa Rosa. Very few people in urban areas like this are driving 500 miles per day on any kind of regular basis. And there are tons of chargers all over the Bay Area, since you have SF (700,000) and Oakland (440,000), 12 miles away from each other, and then San Jose (over 1 million) on the south end of the Bay about 56 miles away. So EV works just fine here and in Los Angeles County and in San Diego County, Seattle and 200 miles radius from there, the Texas Triangle, the Northeast Corridor etc. Like I said, the main barrier right now is initial cost of the car. But as more people buy the 80k trucks, it will be easier and easier for Ford and GM to offer the same battery size for lower cost. There will eventually be 500 mile batteries, but it's not something that 80% of Americans need.

[@jdconley2713]

If you set the display to Calm Mode it shows the battery % all the time but you lose the temps and some other gauges. I’ve been running mine in Calm Mode and it’s been great. You can do it through the menu system on the steering wheel.

[@xxCTFxCxx]

came to say the same - calm mode = reduced stress of trying to always hit the 100% on the brake coach, lol

[@SuperV8driver]

I ve got 30 000miles on my f150 lightning, i use it as a dayle commuter, 100miles per direction. So far i ve never had to fastcharge it. Seats are a problem but ford already told me that they are working on an upgrade and that i am getting one as quickly as possible. But so far the car is a dream and energy wise it costs me less than half of what my civic did cost me to do the same trip to work n back.

[@GMarsh-gn1iw]

Sorry, half the operating cost on a vehicle that costs $50k more initially doesn't add up to savings in my book. Rough calculation, it will take at least 15 years to recoup original cost.

[@isilence4558]

@@GMarsh-gn1iw 🫡

[@davidmenasco5743]

@@GMarsh-gn1iw You're comparing apples to watermelons here. To price compare with a civic, take a Chevy Bolt. Pretty close in price, and probably less than a quarter of the running cost for fueling, and also maybe an eighth of the maintenance cost. Now you've got a very different calculation. Probably break even in the first or second year, then, relatively speaking, you're making money 💰. And, how much is it a year for gas?

[@GMarsh-gn1iw]

@@davidmenasco5743 your still talking $10k-15k more in price difference. So that drops your recouped balance down to 6-10years. Those rough calculations were based on what was said by previous post. For operating cost. Also I just read an article on a ford transit EV. Can’t remember exact numbers. But it was cheaper to drive our Volkswagen Passat approximately same mileage versus charge costs. That included the hotel stay and the EV camped.

[@kyle-ri5mz]

What’s the car payment compared to the civic?

[@mariomarez2223]

After driving my Lariat from Lake Tahoe to Missoula MT, and after watching your journey, I have decided 220 miles range is very acceptable and will put a camper on mine. About to retire and don’t need to be in a rush.

[@toyyoda3710]

One of the great things about EV is you can put the weight where you want it. ... the lower the better for handling and the more centralized the better for comfort

[@davva360]

I think this is a great first attempt and as long as you don’t tow a big square trailer you would probably have no problems living with one day to day. I do tow so it’s not for me, but honestly I use a Ram 2500 for towing. A gas F150 would be over it’s payload limit too. I do like the lightning overall. Needs quicker charging and even better range. I don’t think 300 is bad though but will it still do that with some payload? Probably close as long as there’s nothing sticking above the cab creating drag. Solid first attempt from Ford. Will be interesting to see how they develop over coming generations.

[@jghall00]

Aero is a much bigger impact than hauling. Range loss while hauling would be minimal. Towing is a different story.

[@KalleSWBeck]

Range drops around 10% with full payload

[@derekk6906]

300 miles isn’t the miles between charging. When traveling most will be driving to charging station at 40%-30% battery remaining unless they are brave. When recharging they recommend only charging to 80%, figure in weather and speed the 300 miles range seems like a pipe dream.

[@jghall00]

@@derekk6906 The 300 miles won't be attainable at high speeds, but the frequency of stops will vary substantially based on the route and the space between chargers. I think 200 miles at highway speeds is sufficient. I usually stop every three hours when I drive my ICE vehicles anyway. Passengers need bathroom breaks and some stretching.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

I'll be towing my 6000 lb, 24' long, 8' wide trailer with mine when I get it. Replacing a 10 MPG (when towing) diesel F-250 that costs $200 to refuel for a 300 mile trip with a Lightning that will cost ~$40 for the same trip will be great. Sure, I'll have to stop to recharge once each way, rather than just once total for the trip; but it'll be worth it. (All of our usual camp sites are within 150 miles, and all have electricity, so I'll be able to charge the truck while camping.) Also keeping tabs on the Silverado EV - if it can do 400 miles, while charging at ~320 kW, with reasonable efficiency, I'll almost certainly upgrade to it once it's readily available.

[@matthewprather7386]

Seat wear due to range anxiety pucker? lol

[@davva360]

Pooping themselves on the dalton lol

[@PlanoRob]

Can you imagine needing to stop every 200 miles for 15 hrs of charging? Eesh…

[@JoshuaEatonCA]

Judging by the amount of complaints during their videos about how much time and all of the issues they had when they were charging, especially when they got to Northern Alaska I can imagine that range anxiety played a huge role in a lot of things

[@davva360]

@@PlanoRob this was an extreme example though. No fast chargers anywhere. Normal daily use when you charge at home overnight is not going to be an issue with any EV. They don’t make sense though if you can’t charge at home.

[@anthonyc1883]

@@JoshuaEatonCA But did they really have much serious range anxiety considering the support vehicle was always available to contribute a charge? Perhaps annoyance or aggravation, but they always had a magic pill in their pocket and they knew they'd never be in danger of being stranded.

[@JoshuaEatonCA]

We have an electric vehicle dealer locally that advertises a lot and they share a lot of opinion pieces from quasi-journalists who either write for Tech magazines or they write for automotive magazines but they don't actually do anything in the real world, they just write about what's actually written on paper and say hey look buy an electric vehicle. I really like what you guys do because you actually take the electric vehicles out and you test them. You actually put them through their paces and use them in ways that normal people actually use them instead of going for a short drive and talking about how amazing it is or just reading specifications off of a piece of paper. The automotive company that I was referring to, they shared an opinion piece earlier today talking about how electric pickup trucks could basically replace 70% of pickup trucks on the market. While I am sure that a number of people that own pickup trucks use them for commuter vehicles and don't use them 100% of the time for truck purposes, for somebody like myself who lives in a remote area, it would be very unadvisable to have in all electric vehicle. I mean in the summertime it would be fine but then winter, no way. I can't wait to see you guys testing this truck in the winter in deep snow with proper winter tires on it because I'm really interested to see how it performs. I saw a video where another so-called journalist took the Ford Lightning to attract that was groomed and prepared by Ford engineers and they were basically doing donuts in the snow, I don't care about that I want to know how it's going to deal with deep snow and how it's going to deal with ice and how the Electric System is going to function when you start losing Traction in the winter. For somebody like myself, we've been looking at the power boost because that in my opinion is the best option for us to have. It gives us the fuel efficiency of a hybrid because we can use the hybrid in and around town and then when we need to, we have a regular gas powered engine

[@davidmenasco5743]

If you do some searching you will find there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of KZbin videos of electric car owners driving their cars in snow and showing off how much better they perform. The only problem they have is adjusting to the fact that the engine isn't turning most of the fuel into heat like a gas car does. This means finding a way to melt some of the snow off if it sits outside overnight. Otherwise, the performance is better than ICE, just as we've seen in all the TFL videos so far.

[@JoshuaEatonCA]

@@davidmenasco5743 I have done that. But they talk about their own personal experience and I'm looking for people to do actual real world testing. Everybody argues over tires and they have different driving conditions. I live in Atlantic Canada and believe me, the winters here are bad. You could wake up one morning and have 50 cm of snow on the ground and then the next morning you wake up and it could be all gone. We've had Winters where we've had a blizzard in the middle of the week every day for an entire month or sometimes even multiple times per week for a month and you could barely even drive on the roads because we literally ran out of places to put snow. Sometimes we have really icy conditions and other times we have very dry conditions. I do appreciate the anecdotes from other owners but I get worried about the amount of bias that the individual owners would have. I don't find that they are very neutral in their positions and that's why I like tfl because these guys tend to be quite neutral and unbiased unless it comes to tires because they like the ko2's really well

[@derekk6906]

Imagine trying to plow snow 16 hours a day in Northern Michigan with an EV truck lol.

[@JoshuaEatonCA]

@@derekk6906 a buddy of mine, his family owns a construction company. We were trying to figure out a diesel surcharge because the price of diesel has gone up such a large amount and I made a joke about switching to an electric dump truck. The conversation that we had after that about using an electric dump truck was absolutely hilarious because we were trying to calculate what charging times would be like and how much longer it would take to do jobs. We even thought that it would be better to use capacitors with voltage regulation because they can charge and discharge almost instantly but we would have to change the rate at which they discharge so that way they were usable but could recharge almost instantaneously

[@the_jarmel]

HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

[@bostondan77]

The seat wear is disappointing, I suspected as much when I sat on a floor model. I have a feeling the Ram EV truck in a few years will be the bees knees but who knows. Thanks for all the Lightning content TFL.

[@Dularr]

It's going to end up being about production. You can have the best EV truck, but can't produce them in volume.

[@jimbob1096]

You would think after 100i years in business they would figure out how to make a seat. This isn't something related to ev. Concerning

[@jimbob1096]

@@Dularr most ev manufacturers cutting production

[@davidrosen4951]

You mentioned that there was a significant amount of lost range due to the camper. You based on the stated 320 mile range. I drove my Chevy Bolt from California to Brazil and consistently got approximately 25% more than the stated 259 mile of range. It this carried over the the Lightening you would get 400 miles of range under ideal conditions. Of course I wasn't dealing with a lot of extra weight and aerodynamic issues as you did with the camper. But I'm wondering how much of the lost range had to do with driving style. Obviously speed is an important factor as you said. However, the Bolt has a real-time numerical kW display that I used to train myself to minimize kW. I learned that maintaining speed on upgrades eats up the kW fast. Just letting off the accelerator on upgrades, within reason, saves a lot of battery. Also I learned to milk the regeneration. It's interesting that the Lightening doesn't have a numerical kW read-out. I don't think many EV's have this but I found it super helpful. One last thing: I've been thinking of doing something similar to you with the super-light pop-up topper from FourWheelCampers. If you were starting from scratch is there anything you would do differently with the camper, aerodynamics, etc?

[@hybridstoatdragon]

3:43 can we take a second to recognize this isnt tesla with zero sidewall. those tires and wheels look amazing on that truck. that truck looks like one of the best ev to ever show up this early in this sort of revolution of technology. FORD I SWEAR TO GOD YOU BETTER NOT DO A BMW AND MAKE US PAY SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR EVERYTHING

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

I hope most consumers show these companies that subscriptions for anything other than entertainment content should be DOA. I'm fine with the idea of paying monthly for satellite radio or whatnot, but not to use hardware that is baked into the price of the vehicle anyway.

[@csmlouis]

This truck is marketed to those that idle a ton and work in places that have nuisance ordinance against diesel. The perfect trucks for in-city utilities and regional DOT roadcrew.

[@PlanoRob]

It’s only perfect if the municipality has $150k to buy one, as that’s what they’re being sold for here. One could buy a whole lot of gas for the price of the dealer up-charge.

[@csmlouis]

​@@PlanoRob Plano TX will have zero issue footing the bill. My guess it will sell great to cities experiencing west-coast transplants boom.

[@zachanderson963]

Electric utilities make sense. Even mail trucks. Convert all that crap to electric and leave the fossil fuels for the rest of us :)

[@IDiggPattyMayonnaise]

I worked for my citys dpw then the county's road crew, all we did was idle for hours waiting for things like closure set up or waiting for bosses to show up. Eight hour work day, about 3 hours of sitting. And theres hundreds of trucks in the fleet

[@robertfoghis773]

My Lightning Lariat has 3500 kms(@2200 miles) and my driver seat is doing the same and I'm bringing it in for warranty. It drives me absolutely nuts. Also, if you go to "Calm screen" on your dash it will give you the battery % in front of you.

[@jimbob1096]

Well worth.$100k

[@muckle111]

did warranty cover it?

[@tomassanchez5748]

I try not to miss your episodes and this series has been awesome! I am not an electric vehicle fan, but what you have done here, taking the truck to world's end and back is truly a hard on test of it's capability. Thanks for such amazing episodes!

[@GMarsh-gn1iw]

I love all the adapters using up all your frunk space. I mentioned this when Tesla started becoming mainstream. Everyone swore up and down the plugs would be standardized and you wouldn't need any adapters. They even admitted that they had to modify adapters to make them work. There is a small fortune in cables and chargers in that frunk.

[@Dularr]

It's not recharging adaptors. It's hacking into appliance outlets.

[@GMarsh-gn1iw]

@@Dularr Fair enough. I can agree with that

[@TheV8nissan]

My escape phev looks similar lmao. I have a 220v 5000 watt transformer as well as multiple extension cords ,the factory evse and a level 2 evse.

[@jimbob1096]

But every gas station has the same filler.

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

@@jimbob1096 -- In the early days of driving gasoline powered vehicles, you went to the drug store and bought cans of gasoline. Technologies mature. This one will too.

[@bendino9016]

love that ford says NOT to put a camper on the lightning. lol

[@travisp11]

Will you guys be doing a video on the new pricing and opening up of the order banks on the 2023 Lighting? I’ve seen videos on this on other channels and would love to get your take on the price increase. Thank you for putting out awesome content and EV trucks DON’T suck!

[@travisp11]

Ahh, I see you guys posted a short on the topic. Thank you!

[@therealcdnuser]

I use an OBD wireless reader and an app called car scanner, that gives me all the important details i need like charge % on my device i mount on the dash. However it would be nice if manufacturers let you customize your display so it would be easier.

[@pewtubee]

Do it all again when it's cold out!

[@drewrileyjr]

You can see the battery percentage on the drivers screen in calm mode

[@HalfmanHalfmarsbar]

Kind of amazing that they traveled 10k miles and didn't see that. I have 180 miles on mine and have activated calm mode a few times by accident. Also couldn't believe that didn't bring a nema 6-50 adapter for utilizing welding outlets...

[@anthonyc1883]

One thing Roman ain't is calm! ;-). ;-)

[@heathwirt8919]

He spent 20 minutes complaining about it when reading the manual for 5 would have solved the problem. :)

[@grei.r]

Great video as always! You guys should make some patches that you send out when someone sends you their licence plate! That would be cool to get a souvenir from that barn project!

[@cessealbeach]

Great Trip Guys, enjoyed the series TFL💪💪💪

[@tomlockhart4225]

I appreciate that you guys did this, it just proves that many people will never own an ev, they are not ready for prime time. For me it is not necessarily range anxiety, it is recharge anxiety, however both are a problem.

[@1974achilles]

For $81,000, I can see many people being disappointed with this truck.

[@nonamesnoneed3545]

interestingly they do give you that info on calm screen. The dash screen in calm screen gives you the data you are looking for but everyone skips that cause they think its less info.

[@djryan8944]

RE: the charging adapters… you can adjust the amperage draw on a Tesla. You can’t on the mobile chargers on Lightning. How did you use a 30amp RV adapter (14-50 to 30TT plug) for example? I did it once on my at a State Park. I melted the adapter and almost melted the plug. Turned amps down to 24 and it was fine. I don’t think Ford has that option.

[@rzu7120]

I had an F150 Lariat with leather seats, and the leather was so thin, my dog stuck his toenail right through it. Ford really cuts corners with their seats.

[@wcarp4231]

I recently drove a brand new Ford Explorer loaner while my Raptor was in for repairs. The fit & finish quality on the interior was embarrassingly awful! It's obviously intentional on the part of Ford and is why I'm so eager to move away from the brand.

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

Sounds like a "lowest bidder" issue from the suppliers. They should look harder at that and realize that it is something that matters to consumers.

[@IDiggPattyMayonnaise]

​@@wcarp4231I drive a new escape and nearly every panel and fabric piece is misaligned. Most it isn't an issue of true misalignment, it's the pieces aren't mold to fit right. I gave up thinking about it, just gonna trade it when I can. This is outside the dozen recalls, one of which is spontaneous engine fires which the solution was just don't drive it

[@terragrub197]

The state of charge is being addressed. It also is visible in another screen. Darren Palmer addressed this very specific request that others have mentioned.

[@rpsmith]

It's a pleasure to drive because it's a half ton truck that weighs over 7,200 pounds! Load up any half to truck that heavy and it will ride like a '70s Caddy!

[@videopipeline6419]

@ 4:32 "...chargers" all of those electrical cables sitting in that 'frunk' are *power cords, not chargers,* despite the commonly used misnomer apparently intended to help justify their high price. Aside from DC fast chargers (which are external), the charger that plugs into AC grid power is built in to the vehicle. All those expensive cords do is supply that charger with AC power.

[@fredhinck9685]

How many charging stations did you by-pass on the ferry trip? My guess is zero. Actually going on the highway all the way would have a total different outcome. Probably still be on the side of the road waiting for gas for the back up truck to charge the Lightning.

[@lightofforgiveness]

I just did a trip to Boise from LA and back. 39 gallon tank averaged 18.3 mpg. It went a long way before fueling. 08 Suburban 3500. When I topped it off coming backed from Boise said 713 miles of range.

[@RyanRKJ]

Roman: "we'll post the Tumbleweed Ranch Address on the internet." Tommy: no no no no no no no! Are you new to the internet dad?

[@singletracksender9021]

Losing 10% of range for some moderately treaded highway tires is insane. I want one, but the technology has a ways to go. We need to get up to like 500m of range for this thing to be realistic.

[@sctexan5392]

I keep saying I want 500 miles at 80%. We go places with to little charging structure.

[@J.Young808]

I know you meant 500 miles but it’s kinda funny you wrote 500m ( 500 meters) because that seems like an appropriate range of this configuration.🤣🤣

[@singletracksender9021]

@@sctexan5392 Yea I live in the West, if I were to buy even the extended range I’d pretty much be stuck in my area, they need to improve range and charge time dramatically before this is going to be realistic for a lot of the population.

[@robertmorin1454]

Now that the trip is done are you taking the camper off? Great series gents ! 🇨🇦👍

[@jimbob1096]

Look folks if the govt was serious about EV you would have a standardized plug. Like all gas pumps have a standard opening size. They are not. The WEF wants you to park your car. EV or gas and live in a nega city taking public transportation. Norway the biggest users of EV is telling people to use public transit instead of thier EVs now.

[@phtofl]

you keep saying there is 'no infrastructure' driving in Alaska. but did you use the hybrid f150 to charge it 100% of the time? No. So the infrastructure (backbone) is indeed there, we just need the final connectors and equipment to make it more user friendly for EVs. its technicalities i know, but 99.9999....% or more 9's? of people have power in their house now to power an EV, i don't know a single person who has an oil refinery at their house.

[@kenmcclow8963]

It is disappointing about the seat fabric on the $80k version, but lately I have been leaning towards the Pro model and the hopefully more durable vinyl. I wish Ford would let the Pro have the ER battery for retail and I suspect they will once the Chevy Work Truck comes out with 400 miles of range.

[@philipparana9225]

The pro (even with the price hike) seems to be the only rational option. You could get 2 pros over 1 platnium.

[@dciking]

If you use the "clean view" for the dash, it shows the percentage of battery.

[@dmegahan]

FYI. Everyone can easily figure out where your office and ranch are at. Without even googling I found your office by looking at topography and roads you were driving on around the office.

[@sotek2345]

Out of everything, the seats are what surprised and concerned me. You guys should see if they will fix those under warranty!

[@coreysmith2774]

How about putting it back to stock form and do a coast to coast trip while pulling a camp trailer.

[@tombeilman5579]

They did pull a trailer it cut the range down to 100 miles

[@derekk6906]

That is awful.

[@PlanoRob]

Wow, 200 miles of range for a truck doing truck duty and sub-par seat quality…imagine you’re one of those guys who spent $145k on this vehicle!!! I have yet to see one on the market locally (Dallas, TX) for under $130k. Anybody who gives that kind of cash for this vehicle is literally insane.

[@buckhorncortez]

Why do you care what other people choose to do with their money? It's none of your business - unless you're simply jealous that they can spend that kind of money and you can't.

[@htownstar1232]

Let's be honest.....if a person is buying a ev truck, they understand the range loss when towing and if you live in dallas of near any major city, there are plenty lakes within 50 miles. Also, customers that can afford 100k EV, probably will just buy a plane ticket to travel cross country. With that said. 220 Miles of range is sufficient when you can charge at home everyday

[@georgedoolittle7574]

Most people use their pickup trucks as their daily driver or doing local chore work in North America...and of course as a show piece too I agree with that. If you're trying to replace your Freightliner M2 Sport Chassis this probably isn't for you, absolutely. Still compared to a Ford F-450 the gold standard in consumer towing and hauling this vehicle is quite the revelation as it shows you truly can go just about anywhere...no transmission, no diesel fuel, no compression issues, no exhaust or DEF fluid so for a first attempt well...be interesting to see how Ford itself responds with the 2023 Model Year Super Duty which clearly now has to compete with this. I think sales will only be limited by production for North America for this truck which says to me anyways a potentially spectacular decline in both gasoline and diesel fuel consumption that will only continue to accelerate for 2022 especially going into Year end.

[@cwqrpportable]

@@buckhorncortez Exactly

[@PlanoRob]

@@buckhorncortez because politicians are under the impression the average joe can buy one of these things for $40k and it’s not true.

[@natedog207]

So this has the range of my 2000 f350 dually 7.3. Pulling a 7-10k trailer. But I could refuel in 10-15 minutes. How much total time is spent charging on a 1500 mile trip. Nice to know when it’s business related.

[@heathwirt8919]

But it would cost about 10 times as much to make the same trip they did.

[@natedog207]

@@heathwirt8919 but my truck cost $15000, there is $100,000.

[@heathwirt8919]

@@natedog207 And it sits in the driveway because you can't afford to fuel it.

[@natedog207]

@@heathwirt8919 If I couldn’t afford to fill the tank($125 a week. How could I afford the $80,000 truck plus charging cost. Lol. Plus let’s see it pull my 15,000 pound 5th wheel.

[@derekk6906]

Pain at the pump can be better than pain in the ass when traveling. When we travel I prefer my own route to destination, not the route on board computer says I must take.

[@zachanderson963]

Think i've seen a Tesla Model Y can add roughly 150 miles of range in 15 minutes....that seems very doable on a roadtrip. Go bathroom, get a drink/snack/stretch legs. That is where you need to be nationwide..at least on major highways/interstates. The charging infrastructure (along with the electric grid) is going ot need a crap ton of investment. Also gas stations, walmarts, mcdonalds, etc will all have to have chargers nearby (see Norway). The tech is about there (batteries/charging), its just availibility is not.

[@horsepowerandtalk1033]

Your mileage was not bad, the EPA says 2.04 miles / kWh. I wasn't able to do better than 1.9 unloaded with factory tires but I can't drive 55.

[@JamesPhilip313]

If the battery needs charging before someone needs their first bathroom break, it’s not meant for traveling truck duty.

[@heathwirt8919]

Say that when you're over 50, four hours is a long time between breaks.

[@jond5680]

Please do some around town/suburb towing with a couple of different smaller trailers. i.e. Replicate something a small business would use, like a 12-15 foot open trailer with some mowers or similar and then a 12-15ft v nose like a contractor might pull around. I don't see any tests being done that show how all these fleet available trucks will be used!

[@thegreeneyej]

Good job Ford. You have built a good tool for the Working people.

[@mpleau]

I just got my Lightning Pro without any options for $42k. You should either buy one and compare with the xlt/lariat, or go over the value proposition of getting a lightning instead of a base Tacoma/ranger/colorado-canyon, etc. The Lightning is still cheaper than those base models or very comparable.

[@mpleau]

Also, mine has a 2200lb payload.

[@randolphpaul5899]

For the Driver and Passenger seats heat from a hairdryer will help to bring seats back in shape. Just a quick temporary fix.

[@williewalker8048]

My favourite pick up truck. It would be nice to get rid of those mirrors. Every little bit counts in reducing drag.

[@shamarerskine3987]

or just simply make the mirrors aerodynamic

[@dennissmith7214]

@@shamarerskine3987 Yup or use cameras! 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jamespaul2587]

Maybe you could just fold them in while driving. Like the Ferrari driver's comment from Cannonball Run.... what's behind me doesn't matter! :)

[@AHungryHunky]

I'd rather have the mirrors to be honest and lose a few miles. Cameras can fail, and the backup in my 2016 has failed spontaneously before (usually fixed with a restarting the vehicle). The mirrors in my 03? Still function perfectly for their purpose though you have to get out and manually position them now as the electronic controls for their adjustments failed a long time ago.

[@bln3576]

My 84 Thunderbird has just over 12,000 miles on it. 1 recall in 38 years

[@klossfam]

Calm screen will show both Range and Battery Pct in the instrument cluster. That is the mode I usually drive my Lightning in.

[@cwescapexlt4x4]

As to the Ford Pass issue, i had similar issue with my 2021 Explorer King Ranch - it is a setting in Sync - go into the headunit display and verify that the location setting is enabled. If the setting is currently enabled, disable and then re-enable the feature.

[@veteranveteran9915]

Well I love and watch all of your channels for years and even got to see Andre at five Star tuning. I have to say in the first 3 minutes of this video you just completely talk to me out of the Ford lightning which I was dead set on getting. The cost, the low range with any kind of gear or tires on it and the fact that you have to carry $500 worth of accessories in the front just to hope that maybe you can charge is a total game changer. There's no way I would even buy this truck at half price.

[@heathwirt8919]

Do you plan on driving to Prudhoe Bay anytime soon? If not you don't need all the dongles.

[@larrybe2900]

Understand this was a real world extreme example of the vehicle. Where it shines is for a lot of short normal trips that would normally need an advanced oil change in a regular ICE. Consider what it was put through and then figure average use is perhaps half that then the outcome real world experience is much better. As time progresses the charging availability issue will only get better. It is not a stand alone company so there are repair solutions readily available if necessary if you are aiming for a PU.

[@AndrewIrizarry]

The actual battery usage isn’t 131kw. It’s likely 90% usable, so about 118kw usable. At 1.7m/kWh youre looking at about 200miles per charge.

[@normanrabbitlee]

The state of charge is available on the easy view screen.

[@sctexan5392]

I think I saw that the charge can be shown by changing the dashboard to the basic setting. It was on another video, I think it was a Tom Moloughney video interview with the Ford EV CEO.

[@jayrichards3672]

Well 1st review reveals seats are crap, but so is current battery state of storing electricity. Thanks to the crew at TFL for testing and thanks to Ford, but really E for effort. Keep up the excellent real world reviews and testing.

[@ColeSpolaric]

Current battery tech isn't bad. It's not great for this particular use case, but for what the average person will use their truck for, it's good enough.

[@matthewgrear3260]

I would assume that the seats are the same ones from the gas models. I wonder if they are having the same issues

[@danielwilliams512]

Did you guys drove it all the way to Alaska how did you charge it along the way did you use RV parks ? what about long stretches between them?

[@1coppertop]

A rubber tailgate gasket would help control the dust in that type of camper maybe.

[@TheV8nissan]

Could have propped open the rear doors as fairings for the camper sides lmao.

[@mattkern9312]

Thank the lord you guy’s had the helper vehicle!! You guy’s can keep that truck!! I’ll stick with my gas truck!!!!

[@slickwilly4613]

I wish you folks did a KW/M with and without the camper. Or, do a range test. But do this test the way you do your other tests and do it on the same course. I really need to know how much this pop up camper effects performance. Your description at 2:30 is too vague.

[@kellyessenwanger9800]

since you had (2) f-150s i would have loved to see you swap the campers and compare range that way.

[@SolveFixBuild]

$85+k for seats that start wrinkling after 10k miles… I wonder if EV seats get more time in the seat (and therefore show more wear) because you spend time sitting while charging.

[@edsgarage001]

Yeah, no.... I've got over 60,000 miles in my EV. Seats look almost as good as new. The seat material in this truck just kind of sucks

[@AHungryHunky]

My old truck has 170k on it and it's seats look fine. If GM the master of garbage interiors can make a seat that lasts 20 years and 170k miles, Ford can make seat that handles your butt while charging for a few minutes.

[@rhare7353]

So what's the end game when the battery fails and you need a replacement,

[@davidjohnson7091]

Put current charge mide in your favorites and it’s a 1 button push to access that info

[@nealpatel5556]

You should do a max deep clean video/detail for the truck! Ceramic coating and all

[@my1vice]

Wow. 10,000 miles? Holy crap. B. F. D.

[@Mirazkahlon]

How about the cold winter temperatures? Does the truck hold the charge during those winter drives ? Thanks

[@RB01138]

It's funny that nobody talks about how gas cars get around 25% less range at 75 vs 55 mph. Yet another reason I don't complain about Canadian speed limits.

[@3767OF4K]

Do you prefer the rivian or the f150 which is the better vehicle

[@vr4787]

So the frunk is for all the adapters and extension cables, genius! As far as the seats, that’s a bit disappointing, there’s always seat covers though.

[@markmonroe7330]

One thing I don’t recall y’all doing with the lightning was a true bone stock as delivered from the factory range test to see how that compared in the real world to the 310 and stated by Ford. Lots of Tesla people are seeing for less real world miles that is being advertised by Tesla. Also, folks don’t realize that the battery is a consumable and it’s only at its best when you drive it off the parking lot. It’s going to slowly lose miles of range even if you don’t drive it over time. We really need real world reporting on that so folks understand the decreasing range over time but also the cost of replacing the batteries. Also need real world testing in really hot conditions of 100 F plus as well below freezing.

[@kenmcclow8963]

They drove the F-150 from Michigan to Colorado with no changes, but you can also see range tests of the different F-150's at State of Charge at a steady 70mph. The EPA range is set at a steady 50mph on level ground at ideal temperature which is not really repeatable in the real world since no one goes that slow and there are hills and wind. In reality, you will drive all your normal commute and errands and plug in overnight at home and when you wake up it's full again. On a road trip, you are just going between one charger and the next, so that is the only range that matters. I only charge enough on trips to get to the next charge as there is no point in sitting longer unless you are doing something. The battery in my Tesla is over 7 years old and still under warranty until the car turns 8 next June. The car originally had 230 miles of range and I charged it to 100% in June and it showed 223 miles. Normally I never charge above 175 miles because my daily commute is 50 miles and in winter the car might use 70 miles of range. If you charge to full, or fast charge every day, you will wear out the battery faster, but it is probably still going to last longer than any gas engine. I have done three road trips of 5000 miles in summer and one 7000 mile road trip in winter and had no problems except not liking to sit at chargers longer than needed and most new cars charge faster and will spend less time charging than my car. Plus newer cars tend to have longer range so they will stop to charge less often than I do. All the electric cars do a fair amount of testing in Alaska and Finland except for Nissan and we saw how that worked out with the first Leafs

[@derekk6906]

If you only charge enough to get to next charger, you are brave lol. If freeway is closed ahead due to crash and they are rerouting traffic through the backroads that could be a problem. With ICE it is so easy to keep a full tank that we rarely get below half a tank on road trips.

[@oldguysrock2170]

How did the EV perform in below zero temps? Does running the AC in warmer temps draw more juice out of the batteries?

[@stevendeckert6373]

Heater draws much more juice than the AC.

[@darrenwilkins8702]

I need a bunch of you to buy electric trucks so that it lessens the demand for diesel fuel and drives down the price, then I can just continue driving my diesel pickup forever.😂

[@robervin9107]

Tommy is the greatest person ever

[@mscottlawrence2037]

So how much would the battery drain if I had a full charge and say I didn't have to work for a few days, I wonder how much it drains just sitting

[@samusvi2693]

hard use as in waiting for it to charge? btw how much time did you spend charging at that many hours, if you value your time that is a bundle of money

[@J.Young808]

Didn’t you guys ship the truck to British Columbia? Why didn’t you put a sticker on the window? You had to drive in B.C. to get toThe Yukon.

[@petebremy49]

State of charge is visible with one button push on steering wheel to calm screen.

[@migwelder2153]

Wow 20hrs of charging for 5 hrs of driving. What a deal

[@heathwirt8919]

Don't you have to know basic arithmetic to be a welder?

[@slickwilly4613]

Max payload is for the lightning is 2k and the project M is only 390 pounds.That would leave you with 1600 lbs. What am I missing?

[@roodick85]

Maaan my friend has the same setup on his Tacoma dude is getting sub teen mpg down to 8 at some areas 😅 it's about the same range as this

[@jonty172]

If you took the shovels off the side of the sleeper you would get more mileage too for sure

[@richardmoses3202]

Where did you get all the extensions cord for charger?

[@colemetcalf6321]

I think once solid state batteries start being introduced into modern vehicles(battery capacity is almost doubled for same weight) electric vehicles are gonna have to get heavier for bigger battery packs for longer range. We need the better tech

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

Longer range is needed, but it won't make everyone happy until we have super-fast charging. When the battery can be charged in roughly the same time it takes to fill up a tank of gasoline, they will have to find something else to complain about. (They will, of course, as some people hate change, but I digress.)

[@CrumResearch]

How is seat wear in the Pro trim of the F-150 Lightning?

[@SuzukiKid400]

I love how Tommy is always giving his dad shit.

[@mikeries8549]

Please...drive the Alaska Canadian highway and tell us where you stopped to charge.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

About giving you data the odd thing is on my 2020 gas mustang it gives me all of the data though the anolog gauge cluster so it's odd that they don't with the fully digital one.

[@Torpedomtb]

Did you spec the Lariat with cloth inserts Only reason I am looking at Lariat is the leather interior.. I saw the Platnum interior and the seats look ugly

[@ronking8726]

There is display that shows the percentage charge, use the base display. Watch the KZbin video with “state of charge “ with the ford vp. Shows it in detail.

[@bennettkaye2878]

August 1 49:28 into the video.

[@4literv6]

Fuel economy? Quoting the non hwy only driving range still? It's not 320 miles of rated range at hwy speeds for any trim of the lightning. 🤔

[@steinwaymodelb]

No EV'S quote highway only range. Highway range will always be less than mixed driving for electric vehicles.

[@4literv6]

@@steinwaymodelb the epa hwy est is available publicly and tfl does know it it's just another way Roman knocks on evs imo. For reference the platinum trim with 22s is only rated for 279miles of hwy range. So for this truck with those wider more aggressive tires, the additional camper weight and aero drag plus the roofbar thing. It's not bad at all that it managed 220-250 real world hwy miles. Especially when you consider the entire energy capacity of its battery pack at 131kwhs is less than 4 gallons worth of gas. 👍🏻

[@ronaldking1054]

Sure, we can start quoting the highway miles when ICE reviews start quoting their city mpg's. No? That's not fair because that shows the ICE's disadvantage? Highway ranges were used to show how much range the car could theoretically get. An EV has better city efficiency.

[@larryjohns8823]

Another point on range - most charging is done to only 80% of capability. So you really never have the max range on the truck!

[@4literv6]

@@ronaldking1054 true enough efficiency is flipped for ice vs ev. Ev is much better in town due to regen and less aero drag from slower speeds. Case in point some owners on the lightning forums are showing 2.9-3.1miles per kwh in stop n go or rural 55mph and under driving. Which is crazy efficient and equals 100mpge. Ice steady state cruising at hwy velocities are at their best efficiency wise. Even though none of my ice f-150s have ever gotten within 10% of their hwy rated ranges. 😁 My point was the 320 figure is not the actual epa hwy mpge figure that is publicly posted for the lightning, the 320 mile figure is for mixed driving range not all hwy driving. The hwy range goes all the way down to 279miles depending on which wheels&tires are chosen and which trim lightning you are in. For example the rivian r1t is qouted all the time at 314miles of total range, but the hwy range with the 20" all terrain is only 274miles. So you can see how someone not knowing that would be disappointed if they saw something like 270miles out of a full charge driving only hwy speeds.

[@chrismarbrey9678]

Can't believe it's already been that many miles

[@RC-fu6hg]

I really enjoyed the Alaska ford lightning videos. After watching it, I started to wonder how long it would take to drive that truck from New York City area to Florida. So many people from that area drive to Florida, and they can do it in one day. So how many days would the lightning take??

[@jimbob1096]

Like three Triple everything

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

A bit of Googling shows that New York City to Orlando is 1,073 miles. Google suggests that is about 15 hours and 38 minutes to drive. (I don't think they include restroom breaks, food breaks, or refueling stops in there, so there is that.) Using the stock setup for the Lightning, I think that would amount to three recharges. with Level 3 recharging, it would add a few hours to that trip -- perhaps even an overnight stay somewhere -- but it would be doable. This truck is really going to shine when a contractor is using it for daily business. Charge at home each night and arrive at the job site with power to spare.

[@travelingman21000]

In the beginning of your series I give you guys a C and a thumbs down, really didn't believe you would make it, I've been on that road. Now I'll change it to a B+ and two thumbs up for actually making to Deadhorse in a EV truck, good going!