Here's What Liquid Metal Did To A PS4 Pro After 3 Years

[@SaccoBelmonte]

To clean "dried out" LM you apply a fresh drop of LM and that will liquify it again. Allowing you to remove it easily with cotton, If you use Alcohol it makes a reaction and the LM goes black.

[@omariwilliams777]

😈

[@JerameatC]

Guys get this message as visible as possible.

[@tkermi]

But LM shouldn't really dry out if the metals/surfaces are designed to it (inert) - right?

[@Kazpper88]

YOU SOUND LIKE THE DIRECTOR OF TERMINATOR 2 THE BEST TERMINATOR MOVIE LOL

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@tkermi That's correct.

[@RoboAddy]

Quick tip to avoid stripping threads: Screw in REVERSE while applying light pressure until you feel the threads "click", then screw FORWARDS and your threads will be perfectly aligned. I use this for everything, even drink bottle lids lol.

[@TheRandomname951]

People think I’m crazy doing that but it works perfect

[@ThePokestopPapi]

This is genius

[@JL-cn1qi]

Also always use the screw that came from that hole. Even if its 10 identical screws. Put the same ones back from where they came from. But yeah, slightly backwards till you hear, feel it getting into its original thread and then put it in. Also always put in your screws in an X fashion. Don't start going round. Put one in top left, then bottom right. Top right, bottom left and so on. Tighten them a bit but not fully. Then go in the same X, alternation pattern again when tighening them down propperly secure. This goes from putting screws in a playstation to bolts when changing a wheel on your car.

[@WavyJayZ]

I know for a fact drinking bottles help. You discover this pro tip lol. Lines up every time..

[@werlder]

I've been doing this without really knowing I was doing it lol

[@Raflikesmovies]

As a materials scientist, I would like everyone to understand that the liquid metal did not "dry out" in the usual sense. It reacted with the metal of the heat sink (primarily, from the look of it. The surface of the chip looks basically ok) and what you see on the chip is a residual solid metal of a new composition. It will not be possible to remove the reacted material from the heat sink, as this is incorporated into the heat sink and is in fact an alloy of the heat sink metal and the liquid metal. It may still be possible to use another type of thermal paste to bridge the air gap. This should not be a problem with the PS5 system as it was designed with compatible materials or coatings to enable the use of a liquid metal for thermal contact. One concern would be that as this reaction takes place the thermal contact should/could have been greatly reduced. It is a good thing that this PS4 wasn't used that much.

[@FasuloA]

Silly question then - so I should not panic that my de-lidded Intel processor may be “dried out” underneath the IHS? I’ve always heard that liquid metal was a bad idea to use on copper. Perhaps this is why.

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

@@FasuloA Most quality heatsinks are nickel plated, and that should protect the copper from reacting (alloying) with the liquid metal. If you had just a bare copper heatsink, I'd suggest investing in a better quality heatsink, after all what's the point of using a cheap heatsink with liquid metal?

[@infopackrat]

So can liquid metal be used then? Would a second application work since the reaction has already taken place?

[@infopackrat]

Could one nickel plate the copper? Electroplating isn't that complicated

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

@@infopackrat In theory yes, you could plate the copper, but just buying one already nickel plated is way easier (and probably cheaper). A second application will probably last longer, but you can tell that the reacted layer is not fully protective, the gallium in the compound will slowly diffuse into the copper and react with it over time.

[@ThatGoth]

Liquid metal combines with copper, it didn't dry it became one with the copper and the solid copper became one with the liquid.

[@Donald_Allan]

I thought about getting a PS4 Pro when I had my PS4 slim. I'm glad that I never got the PS4 Pro in the end and was happy to wait until I was able to get a PS5 late last year. It's great being able to access the PS4 Pro versions of the PS4 games that I own and the difference in picture quality between between what I can see whilst playing games on my PS4 compared to the PS4 slim I used to own is night and day. The boosted framerates for certain titles is also an added bonus.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

ps4 pro is miles ahead of the slim

[@Donald_Allan]

@@ThaexakaMavro I can imagine. I have a PS5 now so at least I get to access all the features that the PS4 Pro versions of the games had that I couldn't experience on the PS4 slim that I owned and I can also get to play PS5 games too.

[@TheOne0816]

I still have my slim going on for 5 years now and don't have any intention of upgrading to a pro. It's just not worth it for me. I mostly have all my PS4 library on PC for that added resolution and FPS boost.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

@@TheOne0816 of course there's no reason anymore to buy a ps4 pro just get a ps5 lol

[@TheOne0816]

@@ThaexakaMavro Not worth it to me neither for the time being.

[@disco7379]

I bought a used PS4 about 4 years ago and the prices are roughly the same or even more in some cases.

[@BowsetteKoopa]

I remember when you put liquid metal in this thing! Can't wait to see how it turned out. I actually didn't think there'd be a follow up video lol

[@Cetega]

I feel like they made cooling or fan improvements over time, as my late generation PS4 Pro is remarkably quiet. Certainly not the jet engine I've often heard talked about (like my original model base PS4 with certain games, heh).

[@Dr_Won_Hung_Lo]

Your PS4 may be simply too new for the fan to be blocked by dust as of yet. This is the issue why other PS4 Pro's are soo loud. Once cleaned of the dust and they're back to whisper quit

[@zerorig]

​@@Dr_Won_Hung_Lo They did improve the noise in the later PS4 pros. I remember picking up the RDR2 bundle specifically for that reason after a Digital Foundry video about it.

[@guitarboyjeff]

Red Dead Online is terrible on a standard PS4. I have the later model Pro and replaced thermal paste and quiet. Not silent but way quieter.

[@Dr_Won_Hung_Lo]

@@guitarboyjeff I run it on my PS5 now and it runs and looks GREAT!

[@sizla8837]

Gamers often exaggerate about the noise of the PS4 pro

[@n7ghtmare99]

Liquid metal is pretty fascinating I'll admit that. Going on about the SSD though, I've had a 2TB SSD inside of my PS4 Pro for about three years now, and I could never go back to a mechanical hard drive that's sluggish. Samsung SSDs are definitely worth the money if you have it.

[@n7ghtmare99]

@@jonathansoko1085 I'm not a kid first of all I'm 22 and you can take that toxicity out of the comments thank you very much.

[@Lorenzovonmatter]

Put in an old 500gb ssd I had lying around and it was like night and day! Was gona play around with the jailbreak but ended up selling it for close to msrp!

[@justinthematrix]

Same I originally installed mine because people said it ran black desert better but never got around to playing it

[@MrPoeGhost]

@Cerus98 22 is a grown adult, dafuq you talking about.

[@alexbolt5]

@Cerus98 So their a kid because they talked about the diffrence an ssd makes on a console they use? I mean if playing on a ps4 is their console of choice then so be it don’t try to justify your pointless claim😭

[@andyo1872]

From my experience, copper seems to fuse , plated with liquidmetal . It's impossible to remove liquidmetal stain on copper using acetone or alcohol. When I googled about it I found out it is not so good idea to apply liquid metal(Gallium based) on bare aluminum or copper. It seems Copper heatsink would need to be coated with another metal (like nickel)

[@Ray__E]

It's kind of crazy how even a basic PS4 is still going for at least $200 and up on the secondhand market.

[@Ozhull]

How is that crazy to you? The same thing happened with the PS4/PS3, Xbox one/Xbox 360

[@ashb9567]

Yeah I hear you mate. PS3s were dirt cheap around 2017. PS3s were going for between £60 (fat) - £100 (boxed slim units) in the UK (CeX). PS4s are going for £190 slim to £300 Pro - it's much more expensive on the second hand market (CeX)

[@yo_its_gingey5329]

They go for $70-$120 where I am.

[@Orain88]

I recently did a full clean and repasting of my launch ps4, I replaced the thermal pads too. It went from sounding like a jet engine on almost every game to being quieter than my gaming laptop under load. I couldn't believe it. Performance didn't seem to change much but at least it isn't struggling to expell heat anymore.

[@jormungandr8821]

What did you use bro

[@Orain88]

@@jormungandr8821 some leftover noctua thermal paste from a recent pc build and thermal grizzly minus pad 8.

[@youjean83]

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to clarify. When you first apply liquid metal, then you WANT it to actually react with the copper plate! When liquid metal reacts with copper, it creates a layer with conducts heat much more efficiently. When the liquid metal reacts with the copper plate, it seems to “dry-out”. This is because the liquid metal “soaks” into the copper plate. This layer (coating) is what people often describe as the STAIN. Do not remove it. Do not sandpaper it! This is why you should re-apply the liquid metal 3 times every 2-3 month in the beginning. After this period, the coating should fully be formed, providing the most heat conductivity possible. From here on, if there is Gallium in your copper/heat sink/liquid metal, you can re-paste the liquid metal every 1/2 years. If there is no Gallium involved, then you won't ever need to re-paste the liquid metal again. I hope this helps.

[@ZeroAnalogy]

So in revisiting this PS4 mod, it became an experiment on the effects of Liquid Metal over time. As you stated, it went well for this instance, but potentially could have been worse.

[@ArtisChronicles]

If the entire heat sink was aluminum it definitely would've been a lot worse lol

[@ritzsoloz6110]

It dry out because of chemical reaction on copper, if you using heatsink that made of a nickel plated it will not dry anymore, thats why PS5 use liquid metal because its buid in nickel plated heatsink... If you use liquid metal on aluminium heatsink it will eat all the entire heatsink!

[@JestersDeadUK]

Never EVER would use liquid metal in PC, console or anything else, COMPLETELY unrequired.

[@T00muchF00Dchannel]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for! I changed my compound because of your first video!

[@khaz661letsplaysmore5]

One of the things I did to cool my ps4 pro was made a custom vent on the area where the fan is(similar to what xbox did with the xbox one and xbox one s) and it did help cool it down by 10+ degrees

[@Dirty_Bear22]

Did you check actual temps via cfw? Console cases are typically designed to have a specific airflow pattern, drilling holes changes airflow characteristics. By modifying the air intake some components will run hotter while others run cooler…

[@NicholasY21]

There is one USB port at the back of PS4 Pro which you can use without USB extender

[@Dr_Won_Hung_Lo]

I simply just cleaned my PS4 Pro every few months with duster and a vacuum cleaner to get rid of dust. I never had an issue with the fan being too loud. Also, I kept my PS4 Pro in a well-ventilated area so the heat coming out of the back wasn't blocked.

[@chasebarnard5750]

Copper is strong, but it reacts with aluminum and can deteriorate the other metal. I'm not sure what liquid metal is made of, but maybe try something with neverseize

[@Jsteeezz]

Its usually gallium with a bit of indium and tin added based on the manufactures specifications for longevity, viscosity, etc. it eats through aluminum. Copper is completely safe with it, but it will stain copper over time. So thats what you see on the heatsink, staining, but it doesn’t affect the thermal performance. It will completely eat away aluminum and destroy it though.

[@brynx24]

gallium

[@lifeb4ai702]

the main thing i expected from this video was benchmarking, 4 year old liquid metal temps vs stock or fresh regular thermal paste. video is what it is but I don't think that I was the only one anticipating those things.

[@cH1n0eL]

Same thing happened to the IHS of my 3950X when I put liquid metal on it a year ago. After cleaning it as much as I could, I noticed that the etching of the model etc on the IHS was gone.

[@rwdplz1]

I bought a used one a month ago. I paid right about what they cost new. Took it apart and cleaned out the dust, and applied new Arctic 5 thermal compound and a 1TB SSD. I usually buy a console right at the end of the lifecycle, but they never went on sale and just disappeared from shelves suddenly this time.

[@WllKiedSnake]

Because nobody can get the PS5 or Series X and want to at least play some of these new games. And you can for the most part on a PS4 Pro. So why not get one.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@WllKiedSnake Especially since Sony's still releasing their big titles on it atm. Otherwise, I'd say go for a Series S. Their availability has stabalized a fair bit and aren't hard to track down anymore at regular retailers. Enthusiast are still getting bent over for anything else though

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@Dasaltwarrior Yeah! That's at least one good thing Sony are doing. Allowing those who are stuck on last gen to play some of these games. Shame they didn't get to be fully PS5 games. But these last 2 years have proven it was probably for the best Sony made a few of these games cross gen. Yeah! Series S us actually worth getting I think. I didn't used to think this as a a few of the OG Xbox, 360 and One X enhanced games are not enhanced on Series S. But Microsoft have been making these recent Xbox One or Series X games enhanced on Series S thankfully.

[@DrRhyhm]

I just bought one for 200usd

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

@@Dasaltwarrior series s has been running everything great so far. Even runs cyberpunk more stable, loll

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

I like how this video is so insanely old that the spring sale was still going on during it's filming. That's crazy

[@M9_Prime]

So my question is, when the liquid metal is dried, would it not dry in a configuration that allows good heat transfer? Or once it’s dry it loses its efficiency? Also I just sold my PS4 (launch day) for $325 with a few old games which boggles my mind.

[@chance427]

Wow. It’s amazing that you were able to get it for roughly $75 less than originally paid for not including the price of the few games

[@Joelda23]

the only reason that liquid metal dry was because they never use that ps4.

[@raj1n501]

You gonna get a 5?

[@cH1n0eL]

@@Joelda23 This is not true, I put it on my PC which I used almost everyday. When I took it apart it looked the same as here.

[@M9_Prime]

@@raj1n501 already have a 5

[@detmer87]

I did mine in march 2019 (Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid Metal). In January 2022 my PS4 Pro was immediately in airplane mode (fan at full speed) when I loaded in my save game from Horizon Zero Dawn. I knew my cooling was compromised because normaly it stayed two sound levels lower (stock paste is only one level lower). Disassembled my Playstation 4 Pro and it looked just like yours: dry. I sanded it down (only slightly, to make sure the surface is flat) with some sandpaper 1000 grit. Reapplied Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid Metal and it's nice and quiet again.

[@cynon6]

I'm not sure about other iterations of the ps4, but with the pro it actually has a third USB slot in the back that's a lot more forgiving in space when it comes to chunkier USB drives

[@MeltyBubs]

This got me thinking... What does this mean for future conservation of the PS5 consoles? Wouldn't it be safe to say that say 5+ years down the line the liquid metal would be insufficient for cooling due to crusting over, so without replacing it properly wouldn't pretty much all ps5's have a sort of death sentence almost like the CMOS issue? Because simply put not everyone will be able to replace their liquid metal. Thank you. Happy new years!

[@jackobyuk]

just keep your ps4pro it will outlive the first ps5s, and wait until sony release their second revision of ps5 before you buy.

[@edwardlafferty8796]

Liquid metal works better, but often degrades faster. It does indeed mean there is a risk of overheating causing a degradation in performance and failure in a few years. Can't really comment on the risks involved though so it may be a non issue.

[@Bones_]

Well the drying likely die to people using liquid metal in setups not intended for it. The PS5 was designed for liquid metal so it will likely be setup in such a way to prevent or reduce drying

[@francisdark]

I took the top cover off my ps4 pro and now the fan never revs up. Ive been contemplating drilling fan holes through the cover or cutting a square over the fan and attatching a vent.

[@tradeka4206]

The ps4 is still valuable because it’s hard for people to get the next gen consoles and there are still a lot of cross gen games that are coming out currently. So many games have been delayed that games that started development with the ps4/Xbox one in mind are coming out this year, and they’re gonna be on the old and new consoles. It might not be as good on the ps4, but if you want to play some of these games this is probably the easiest way right now. A lot of people are deciding to pick up a ps4 instead of getting a ps5 so the value has held up really well.

[@chubbyadler3276]

Noting the color of the heatsink on the die gives me an idea what may have happened. I keep hearing that liquid metal does not like copper, and that heatsink does look like copper. According to what I've been hearing, if the heatsink was aluminum, the compound would still be liquid.

[@retrosamurai9062]

I solved the noise problem on my pro by getting rid of those tiny black pads pressing on the chips and replacing them with thermal grizzly thermal pads that covered each chip completely.

[@darthwiizius]

I imagine sandwiching a sheet between the two metal plates might help cool the RAM chips further.

[@TheGlintJaw]

I purchased a used PS4 Pro around December of 2020 for around $320 (ik that's too much but the PS5 costs around $700 where I live). It's the CUH - 7016b model (stock HDD) and it still works fine. No performance issues, the fan is somewhat quiet and manageable. Ocassionally it's spins up and gets annoyingly loud lol. Playing early life cycle/previous gen games like Infamous Second Son, UC4, Lost Legacy: the fan doesn't even spin up. Stays at the same speed that it would when your on the homescreen. Playing mid life cycle games like Horizon Zero Dawn, it gets a little loud but I practically can't hear it due to my TV. Only a select few late life cycle games stress it's hardware and spin up the fans really loud. Marvel's Spider-Man is an example. But it's good enough for me and I'll continue using it this year, with games like HFW, GT7, GOW and many 3rd party titles, I'm gonna hold off on getting the PS5 till 2023. Not really interested in a next gen console due to the price and availability. Edit: sorry if this is too long, you don't have to read it.

[@ItsGenoHD]

As a PC/Xbox gamer, I was drawn to a PS4 for Spider-man, God Of War, and Persona 5. It's a good console.

[@Level_Eleven]

I recommend trying Bloodborne! Favorite PS4 exclusive by far.

[@AshtonGodbout]

Try Dark Souls 3 if you want to lose your mind

[@AshtonGodbout]

The ps4 is great I've just quit gaming though but kept my ps4, Xbox 360 and 360 slim. Sold off my series x PC monitor and just kept a 32-inch tv gotta upgrade my own life now not just my characters don't want to end up with a dead-end job and no accomplishments cause I was to distracted level up a make-believe game character.

[@AshtonGodbout]

If you make a career out of gaming or games and consoles then that's great but in the real world, it's tuff to do so. If youtube wasn't around I bet this dude would be working in a lab or at gamestop still.

[@AshtonGodbout]

No hate, to each their own. We all live different lives and choose different paths and have different opportunities

[@LoneWolf1985BK]

The PS4 slim has the same issue with usb plugs not fitting in the front. It’s annoying to say the least. Seems like a huge oversight on Sonys part.

[@Sam-Fisher]

Happy New Year

[@awesomeking4647]

Happy new year too you

[@Ashen4g]

Just got delivered my PS5 this morning with Miles and Ratchet bundled, got lucky and found one online here in the UK, been using the Series X and S for a few months, around Christmas I got the feeling a wanted a PS for some of their exclusives like Spidey, love the dual sense and funny looking at both the Series X and Ps5 standing vertically beside each other lol

[@kickstartavalanche]

Great video Jon, I may find purpose for my pro again since I do not intend to fight for a ps5 as things stand currently! An SSD will be fun to install and feel a decent enough difference

[@user-nt3ef9fh5f]

Do it ! Best Buy sells 1tb SSDs for $80-90 now. It’s worth it and I’ve been doing it since I got my pro

[@Epoch615]

LM is great for use on nickel plated copper heatspreaders. NOT on copper plated aluminum heatsinks. On pure copper heatsinks the gallium diffuses into the copper leaving behind the indium and tin which both provide poor thermal contact and can cause shorts if they break free due to vibration. Plus, you'll have to reapply regularly to maintain proper thermal contact. With copper plated aluminum, that gallium diffuses through the copper and will attack the aluminum. As time goes on in either case you'll have degrading thermals and a system that will die sooner than if you had just stuck to paste. Do not use LM unless the system was designed for it or your components are made of the proper materials to handle it.

[@christopherjackson2157]

Don't use liquid metal with a copper or aluminium heatsink. You want to use something that's nickel plated

[@christopherjackson2157]

Or better yet just use normal thermal paste lol

[@cemsengul16]

Now you will get the familiar jet engine sound while gaming under load.

[@chrismorrison5301]

The problem with the PS4 cooling is there are two fan variants, one spews dust into a crevice next to the fan and the other spews it directly into the heatsink. The dust builds up overtime and that's why you get PS4's that get very loud. If you are unfortunate enough to get the second fan (like I was) then cleaning it out every now and again (heatsink and all) will completely negate the problem. I have pictures of fully caked heatsinks and video clips of a whisper quiet PS4 PRO running God of War in an area that would normally make it fly off.

[@slimbroco572]

Cant believe that one vid was 3 years ago already... Time sure does fly

[@DEMENTO01]

the timing is so funny, in a few hours i'll receive a ps4 pro my and my partner bought on a second hand website because of the 9.00 jailbreak release, I'm here waiting for the shipping company to deliver it and i see this, amazing!!

[@cemsengul16]

The PS4 Pro is a console that sits stationary so Liquid Metal is very safe to use without fear of spillage. On a laptop you should always install a foam barrier.

[@robinson_carl]

there is a usb port on the back if your stick is too big for the front.

[@LibertineScene]

Dude, of your ps4 pro's taking off (and the thermal compounds been done), do the thermal pads! Ram chips & vrms need lovin too! :p

[@eathenalexander2836]

After you've done homebrew and what not ..can u make a video documenting ur use of it and how u been enjoying it

[@MikeSmith-is3su]

Spawn Wave talking about the ps4 pro like it’s old news. Meanwhile I can’t even find a ps5 😔.

[@AJ-rm7ie]

If you get a PS4 Pro invest in an SSD (solid state drive) and change out the stock hard disk drive (HDD). There's plenty of guides on here and on the internet, its very easy to do it by yourself. Don't throw it out, stash it somewhere in case you sell the console later on. It'll improve load times by a good amount nothing miraculous but you'll see 👍

[@martincardenas4215]

Damn i just ordered thermal paste for my PS4 that broke. It seems dry so i figured i should replace it. Wish me luck.

[@frosty212]

What's wrong the ps4 I can give advice base on the problem you may be experiencing

[@martincardenas4215]

@@frosty212 thanks for letting me know. It kept overheating and shutting down. I opened it up and the thermal paste was dry and all over the place. I cleaned it up and put new paste. It seems to be working good now. I played like 5 hours of horizon.

[@shawn4403]

I went upgrade to a SSD on my Pro... I haved upgraded the drive on my old PS3, they are Worlds! GTA loads in 1/3 of the Time. So much smother in the XMB. And faster startup from Applications. (not more frames per second!) And these both Consoles are not SSD optimized. SSD is better as an HDD Spend the Money, is it me worth.

[@DubEDoLLarS]

I noticed the ssd helping with load times back on the ps3. When the ps4 came out I’d actually zone into instances and be on mic before ps4 users with my ps3. Never bothered with a ssd in the pro but I think I may have to now!

[@the1deadman543]

Im still using a ps4 pro , it's my streaming machine here in 2022!! I just repasted it yesterday , with some tm-30 and it's running like a champ. I also have a Samsung 860 evo ssd ..thing is Years old and runs literally brand new still lol

[@MeiGunner]

6:47 do you know what Else dry's out ,, Thermal Past .. lol the Liquid metal is Still doing its job ( unlike a Dried Thermal Past Thats not Going to be As Good as new Paste) and it Dried out cuz its on copper, if it was nickle Plate to Nickle Plate, it Wouldnt of Dried like this

[@pauls635]

There are more then 1 version of the PS4 Pros. The one I have is very quiet, but my friends model is very loud with the fan. You can see the difference as they use a different power cable.

[@PSNxFTWxRAGOI]

What’s the difference in the power cable? Mine has the larger 2 prong but its a different shape at the ps4 outlet. After I cleaned it, it’s super quiet on new games.

[@dave4shmups]

Great video! Does the PS4 Slim use SATA 2? Or is it just in the original model of the PS4?

[@dragonmk123]

Not as many have ps5 since scalpers and difficulty finding them out in the wild. With that people are still having to get the ps4 and the demand is high enough still.

[@WllKiedSnake]

I had to buy mine directly from Sony themselves. They picked a bunch of people out at random who haven't bought a PS5 and you would buy them directly from their PlayStation Store Direct.

[@TechGamer-pq1gu]

and people say liquid metal doesn't dry up I actually used it on my PC for a year then noticed my temps were no longer OK and when I tried to pry off my WaterBlock it was like it's glued to the processor almost damaged it too when trying to force it out it took the processor right out the socket along with it almost fainted after that good thing my 2600X did not loose any pins. I had to put a hammer to my screwdriver in order to get the processor off my Corsair H100i water block and had to use sandpaper to make the block and CPU heat spreader flat again I ended up lapping the processor and the block. I sure ain't buying thermal grizzly anymore because of this.

[@HondoJarrus]

Yikes! Thanks for the detailed recap.

[@Dirty_Bear22]

Metal can’t “dry”. What you see happening is amalgamation. Just search KZbin for gallium and aluminum reaction. The primary component in liquid metal thermal paste is gallium, gallium is highly reactive with some metals. It will turn aluminum into dust in a few hours, reacts slowly with bare copper, and won’t react with nickel plating. After a few years the gallium literally seeped into the bare copper and formed a new alloy, thus appearing “dried out”. This won’t happen with nickel plated heat sinks.

[@amandao6686]

Nickel plating will make prevent the liquid metal from "drying out"

[@mikeprince6685]

Next time try putting twisted metal in it 😈

[@jessewarren9177]

I just am blown away that PS4 pro are selling for near the original price now! Even GameStop as of January 2022 is paying over 300 in credit for them.

[@karnige5804]

cool PS shirt. I like the faded look. whered you get it from brother

[@ChrisAzure]

The sad thing for consoles is that Xboxes are limited to SATA 2 and Playstation consoles are connected via USB 3.0 bus to SATA...so, being SATA 3 will only allow to fully saturate the USB 3.0 bus that connects to a SATA converter (Learned about it when fail0verflow talked about the PS4)

[@davidboulton3176]

Why would you rub that dried metal with a q-tip like that? The sound made me want to eat my own ears!!

[@bgamingnerd]

I swapped the fan in my PS4 Pro and I haven't heard it since. Highly recommend it and it would be a good video

[@Luminger]

Mind sharing a link to the replacement part? :)

[@bens4532]

@@Luminger there are 2 different fans and they're both on Amazon. One is the original loud one and the other is much quieter. Around $35 I believe

[@lethalspizzle]

i hear that the liquid metal changes to some kinda copper alloy and if you dont scrap off the layer by the copper it will not happen again, and stay liquid.

[@adapalis]

I was here when you originally made the video putting LM in this. I'm pretty sure the copper reacted with the LM, it looks corroded and also like it caused a small reaction and started to fuse the metals. I wouldn't use LM in anything not designed for it, alot of people got excited to start changing their existing TIM when Sony started using LM. LM is not designed for the average user in anyway, and I knew when Sony started using it it would start some ridiculous craze where people ruin their tech. Here we are, luckily he caught this before it got worse...Big mistake and anyone that said they were doing it I would make sure to expressly state it is... NOT RECOMMENDED.

[@gamedad7336]

Bro, just because you say it's bad doesn't mean it is. Recommended, no. But if you watched that video and decided to go the same route your not just some novice at taking things apart. I did it on my ps4 pro and it works just fine. I coated the outside of the apu with clear nail polish just in case there was any leakage. Look, I get that there's a chance you can mess it up, but if done correctly it can have a great effect at keeping the chip cool.

[@zybch]

@@gamedad7336 He didn't say it was bad. Just that too many idiots were doing it without a second though and without considering the long term implications of using it on materials not expressly designed for LM application.

[@Epoch615]

@@gamedad7336 Gallium diffuses into copper like it's a sponge. That copper layer on the heatsink is super thin, so once it slips through it starts attacking the heatsink itself.

[@erwinvb70]

I have decent gaming pc (3080 / 5900x / 64GB) but still use my PS4 pro regularly, as you can keep sitting on the couch and switch from Netflix to gaming and back to Netflix again seamlessly.

[@genesistem4479]

A small trick i did for the LM not to run around i used thermal paste around the edge and in the middle droped the LM giving it no chance to run around worked well and saw a significant drop in operating temp

[@KillaMilla0513]

I only used my ps4 to play exclusives so it never got that much use but the hard drive started making noise around the 300 hour make. I just didn't care to change it

[@jtree4204]

Are you sure it was the HardDrive? I changed out the fan to a brand new one and replaced the thermal paste, sounds quite again like it did out of the box, I play on my PS5 now but ps4 is fun for modding/homebrew games

[@KillaMilla0513]

@@jtree4204 yeah it's definitely the HD I unplug it and the sound stopped. But I do appreciate your input.. I was going to change it out but I was lucky enough to get a ps5

[@northencail2099]

the way you took out the disc hurt my soul man lol

[@CWGriswald1492]

This video is making me wonder if my PS5's liquid metal is going to harden over the years

[@sprintingsnail9492]

In the ps5 they used compatible metals. Ps4 pro wasn't designed to use liquid metal.

[@xboxnangable]

Still have my launch PS4 Pro. Packed it away a few months ago after getting the PS5 finally. Might consider modding it one day but for right now my PS3 Mods are covering most of the emulation I want done.

[@Pruflas-Watts]

I'm in a similar spot. I've got a launch PS4 PRO with 1tb Crucial MX500 SSD in it, played the hell out of it and it's collection dust now. I've been wanting to jailbreak my PS4 PRO for Linux but they still haven't figured out how to take advantage of PS4 PROs additional gpu power.

[@RallzGuitar]

I hear people talking a lot about ps4 noises and whatnot but I never had any issues honestly. But I did have a marble top in which the console sat on. This could be why I've never had any issues with fan noises and all that

[@FelixtheMaid]

If sony didnt make the PS4 pro, Sony just would have done the same thing they did to the PS3 a year later after the PS4 came out and lose all main tile support

[@RKZX2]

i didn't realize the ps4 was released that long ago.. i got my pro about 3 years ago. i just put an 870 EVO in it. it was running so slow. it's nice & quick now. it'll have to do until i can get a digital ps5.

[@MegaManZer088]

Sony better have the liquid metal figure out or they're going to have a bunch of ps5 to repair in couple of years. Edit: I hope you backup Evans save data before changing the hard drive, I upgraded my ps4 a year later that came out and forgot to backup all my saves.

[@UndeadCollector]

1:25 urgs... it hurts to see, if ppl touch the Disc this way. Already Fingerprints on it.

[@dragonfistX200]

It's a blu ray disc, it can take way more abuse to actually damage them

[@SkyYuyo]

Thought I was the only one thinking this. Never hold a disc like this

[@UndeadCollector]

@@dragonfistX200 i don't say it's damaged, but i avoid touching the reading site, since DVDs exists(same for GC Discs), by just holding it with the hole and the side. Everyone knows that, so i wonder why Spawn Wave does that, especially because he's a Collector too.

[@svan71]

Some fine steel wool cleans copper real good

[@doublecontralto818]

One specific game? Totally get it - I ended up grabbing a used PS4 Pro off of eBay, threw in an 860 Evo and restored it.... specifically to play Ys IX: Monstrum Nox. I'm a huge fan of the series (it's up there with Zelda and Tales for me) and there and I really really really didn't want to wait another 6-8 months for the PC release to drop when it came out early 2021. My plan had been to trade it in towards a PS5 once they became available again but yeah we all know how that turned out. But then again the free titles through PS Plus have also been a really nice thing to have as well

[@TheBeng88]

@spawn wave cool tshirt where did you get it from

[@ShakeNbake9106]

That's a cool shirt with the faded logo where'd you get it?

[@numberyellow]

I'm a bit curious as to whether the LM residue will reduce the thermal conductivity of the IHS and Heatsink assembly, at the interface point. even with fresh proper compound, it feels to me like the LM residue would interfere.. Any thoughts on this? any chance of a followup video?

[@roguespartan2854]

Damm, I didn't think you'd actually make a follow up video on this.

[@kdod1]

I used a graphite pad but had to cover chips around the processor with conformal coating because a graphite pad is conductive. It doesn't dry out and seems to run like new.

[@ValkyrianWyverian]

I put a graphite pad inside my PS4 pro as well. The only thing is; I affixed it to the APU using a pea sized amount of thermal paste. Doing so made sure it didn't move out of place during the reassembly process. It's been about 6 months or so now, and I haven't had any issues with the fan noise level or system performance. Except for when I play God Of War... The pro still screams unfortunately.

[@unhappytoyman8767]

@@ValkyrianWyverian Does your PS4 scream with Spider-Man if you have one?

[@kdod1]

Mine ramps up a bit while playing No Man's Sky but it sounds like my laptop fan and nowhere what it used to. I also had to use a very small amount of thermal paste (on the graphite pad) to get it to stay in place while attaching the heatsink.

[@ValkyrianWyverian]

@@unhappytoyman8767 I don't own Spider Man on the PS4. I should probably check it out at some point though. But generally speaking, across all of my games with the graphite thermal pad installed; the PS4 pro runs noticeably quieter for sure when compared to thermal paste alone. God Of War for me is like the only real exception. It seems like that game in particular runs loud, to very loud, on the pro regardless.

[@unhappytoyman8767]

@@ValkyrianWyverian interesting. I own Spider-Man, and it runs the loudest out of all the games, more than God of War. I don't know why. I should try the graphic thermal to see if it helps.

[@MikeeVee]

The effect of time on the liquid metal does have me slightly concerned for the life of first gen ps5 owners. However I'd like to think Sony knew what they were doing....

[@eighthlegofthephantomtroup1842]

I mean, what do any of us know compared to Cerney?

[@edwardlafferty8796]

Yes, they do. A whole new bunch of hardware sales in 4 years will do wonders for Sonys bottom line

[@Joelda23]

if you use a system with liquid metal you wont have no problem but if you leave it and dont use then is gonna dry

[@Dirty_Bear22]

It won’t be a problem. Metal can’t “dry”. What you see happening is amalgamation. Just search KZbin for gallium and aluminum reaction. The primary component in liquid metal thermal paste is gallium, gallium is highly reactive with some metals. It will turn aluminum into dust in a few hours, reacts slowly with bare copper, and won’t react with nickel plating. After a few years the gallium literally seeped into the bare copper and formed a new alloy, thus appearing “dried out”. This won’t happen with nickel plated heat sinks.

[@Dirty_Bear22]

@@Joelda23 not how this works…

[@MirzaKhalid]

The PS4 Pro is perfect for jailbreak and tons of games are available for free on the internet. Also a good quality SSD upgrade gives it a fast loading time from installing games to loading up in-game

[@hedraun9289]

Bro never shielded those components next to the CPU. Wow, talk about lucky.

[@froggy7570]

Love my PS4 Pro! Still an amazing console. I have had mine since 2018 and no hiccups and no T-1000 liquid metal needed.

[@fordxbgtfalcon]

Gamestop actually offered me $350 for my Xbox one x. And $300 for my ps4 slim. Crazy times we’re in now.

[@Stanjara]

No body mentioned this but if you keep your PS4 pro on 1080p rez it will be quiet.

[@SoSickRick]

00:18 because all 2022 games are going to be on PS4 too

[@WllKiedSnake]

Well not all.

[@cybunny25]

Where's Bloodborne?

[@SoSickRick]

@@WllKiedSnake Horizon, God of War, GT7. What am I missing for 2022 that’s confirmed?

[@frosty212]

@@cybunny25 Sony knows many players are stuck on ps4 so they gotta keep releasing some games on the ps4 to keep people happy

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@SoSickRick Stray? Uncharted Legacy Collection? I'm sure more are gonna get announced.

[@Krakn3Dfx]

Had a launch Pro that was like an old vacuum 3-4 minutes into starting any game on it, luckily was able to get rid of it when there was a shortage for what I paid, and then I picked up the Red Dead 2 bundle, that one was always pretty quiet up until I sold it right after getting a 5.

[@Glitchgoblin225]

Damn I can't believe it's been 3 years already

[@JL-cn1qi]

Odd, he hardly used it and you get these results. But yeah, for the PS5 i'm sure Sony didn't just chuck some liquid metal on a setup that wasn't designed for it.

[@WhispyMoon]

I've had my ps4 slim for 3 years and it's pretty quiet, but my uncle's base ps4 sounds like a jet lmao

[@ashb9567]

PS4 PRO is a FANTASTIC console when used in conjunction with a 4k TV. Even non-enhanced 1080p games look sick (e.g Tomb Raider definitive edition). I also bought an Xbox One X before it was discontinued, and with 53 games split between both consoles I've no intention of buying next gen until 3/4 years' time when hopefully we get a 'slim' or pro versions on the market. You can see why they discontinued these consoles, to try and force people on to next gen - not for me son!

[@daltanwerre8277]

Why you got to grab that disc like that now if that game if it goes somewhere else it's potentially scratched or someone will scratch it trying to get your fingerprints off