PS5 Liquid Metal vs Thermal Paste - It OVERHEATED!

[@Tronicsfix]

Buy BW-100 Electronics Cleaner Here: amzn.to/3hviKDv I think it's time I put liquid metal in the Xbox Series X! Who wants to see that?

[@momsbasement656]

Very curious to see!

[@AnImperfectSoul]

@@DTW-bx2vy the die runs cooler? Love to see those benchmarks since if the exhaust of the XSX is cooler than the exhaust of the PS5, that means the SX has worse thermal management and doesnt exhaust heat as well

[@thatsitthatsit6835]

I wanna see this Video

[@danielhedley4626]

@ Tronics Fix can you tell me why a xbox one powers up stays on 2 minutes than turns off is there a way round this please pal ?

[@Joel-zo6yo]

Yes, I would really like to see this on the Xbox Series X as well!

[@rpgquester]

The real miracle is that you managed to get 2 ps5s

[@brazenloki8417]

That was my exact thought!

[@favourites144]

It’s not hard at all if you don’t mind paying $1,000 usd

[@pomidortv797]

@mmarkster nah thats nothing. I have entire warehouse of ps5

[@DatboyCS]

@@pomidortv797 nah, that's nothing. I have an entire factory and production equipment for ps5

[@benonyangore1536]

@@pomidortv797 lol r you one of the people who stole from the Amazon warehouse for ps5 stocks

[@sdewey4152]

You've been fixing too many PS4s lol half the video you were calling the 5 a 4. Great content!

[@GUnitSoldier4]

ah shi lol you beat me to it, i was like 'he said PS4 at 2:34' ..but you also heard it XD

[@seanfarrell5223]

Dammmit you beat me too lol

[@arianadonis4099]

@@GUnitSoldier4 he said it again after that

[@GUnitSoldier4]

@@arianadonis4099 Yeah could be, but I noticed it at 2:34 and wrote it right away while I was still watching the vid :P

[@astroidyeti2169]

Thanks for saying it I was about too then was like you know what everyone in the comments will so I figured I’ll in the words of the Beatles “ let it be”

[@abendroid]

Love the sponsor that actually has to do with motherboard repair.

[@TheyreStillOutThere]

CRC electronic cleaner at your local car parts store is the pretty much the same thing in pretty much the same size can for about $4. The sponsor product I’m sure works just as well, but is very overpriced for what it is at 25 bucks a can. That’s just craziness.

[@chrisdahfuh180]

Man your videos are great i remember when you showed how to fix the ps4. I bought a ps4 broken in purpose back in college when i didn't have a job since it was cheaper than a new ps4 and i managed to get it fixed with your video! So it's cool to see you working on the ps5 😅

[@HookHouse]

This is dope!

[@mewimi]

And the type of thermal paste used? This is very important, not all thermal pastes are created equal and the difference between trash paste and quality paste is extreme.

[@mufasaiam7794]

This channel is like Linus Tech Tips but with less dropping

[@Tronicsfix]

Lol!

[@Luckysury333]

@@Kaynos dude thats rude

[@leonardocde123456]

this is more than ltt, this is for people ltt is just the same thing, here i learned to fix my own phone, on ltt you only know how to spend money

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

@J TronicsFix is levelheaded no nonsense and the definition of informative, Linus tech tips to me seems more like its for entertainment

[@ConnorTapley]

@@Luckysury333 how?

[@mullinsjm1]

Interesting how the liquid metal dissipates the heat more efficiently. It will be interesting to see how well it works 2-3 years down the road.

[@Tronicsfix]

Yes it will!

[@AltCutTV]

@@Tronicsfix Is there typically a state change to the liquid material due to heat and/or age? There is reactive issues with other metals, so I suppose something must have been done about that at least. Some coating metal on the sink maybe?

[@mjc0961]

That's one of the reasons I don't want a PS5 right away. Sony launch consoles always seem to have some form of widespread problem. Everyone else can test it, I'll pick one up in a few years when it and the games are cheaper if it works out okay. Others include the current lack of games, that it's not even ready yet because the system software doesn't even support expandable storage, the always on mic that's probably always recording and selling the recordings to third parties, a lack of "play anywhere" functionality like Xbox and PC have (yes Microsoft owns Windows, but Sony could partner with an existing store like Steam or make their own store/launcher), and annoyance at being expected to buy all new controllers and accessories because of greed.

[@easy_gaming30]

@@Nighterlev Sony spent years in developing the use of liquid metal in their consoles. It's not like you are just randomly putting it in a build you've done. How do you know they haven't applied some kind of coating that stops the absorption of the liquid metal? I'm sorry Sony developer you are right

[@jkrhu]

@@AltCutTV It creates aloys with copper and aluminium, so the contact surface on the heatsink is plated with silver. It should perform much better over the years if there is no contamination or oxidation.

[@leisama4221]

2:33 4:09 He calls it a PS4 (Both times, It startled me for a second!).

[@lexusstriker]

im technician of consoles and hardware and this ocurred to me too

[@uv8948]

My anxiety going up while you open up that ps5 like its your lunchbox

[@vxrus9726]

Same bro...Same😐

[@jalapenopoggers8310]

hes a professional

[@riotangel4701]

He's a pro.

[@TampaTec]

Interesting comparison 👍

[@hebinoplays8709]

Scalper confirmed lmao

[@Tronicsfix]

Thanks Paul!

[@diagtula]

​@@Tronicsfix watch some advertisement will pay comparison results well done

[@one_up907]

@@Tronicsfix did you allow both to cool for at least 2 hrs on your thermal tests? The one with Liquid metal did take longer to shut down so I assume it was hotter?

[@one_up907]

@@Tronicsfix oh and can you do this to Series X and do temps on APU and RAM with thermal nodes? I can't seem to find anyone that's doing it, only PS5's

[@juanpedrosuarez111]

So you are the one who let rhyno escape so many times...

[@plasmaoctopus1728]

He secretly wants to set rhyno free!

[@o_o6713]

*rhino*

[@maybebutwhatever]

It's strange that ps5 even turn on with the fan not connected.

[@azzaprime7257]

It shouldn't turn on. Thats a poor design choice by Sony. Should be safety measures in place.

[@jarrettblakemore4676]

@@azzaprime7257 lol I'm on pc calm down it's not that big of a deal

[@azzaprime7257]

@@jarrettblakemore4676 Thats not the point lol

[@chrischen6664]

@@azzaprime7257 even a laptop would turn on without fan. they already got a security measure by shutting it off automatically

[@azzaprime7257]

@@chrischen6664 Than Laptops also need to add a feature where the system wont turn on without a fan. Its a potential fire hazard. Why would they allow the system to turn on without one of the most important parts that keep the system cool off or not connected?

[@Debate_everything]

I think the real question of this experiment is how long will the thermal paste version run with the fan running. He is thermal paste a future repair that can be applied to the system and be sufficient even if it’s slightly less efficient

[@UserUser-ww2nj]

I know its late to comment on this but does the fan noise really matter as most gamers will have headphones on or speakers turned way up and not be able to hear the fan . Liquid metal ?, no thanks

[@zeriominus653]

@@UserUser-ww2nj Fan noise isnt usually about the noise disturbance. it means it's working harder than usual and chances are it needs cleaned or something else is wrong

[@UserUser-ww2nj]

@@zeriominus653 Maybe it depends on how hard the player is pushing the system. An inexperienced player will be slower and not put pressure on the system but someone who knows the game well will be faster and the system will be running faster

[@enchantededition6879]

Another late comment. The perfect amount of thermal paste is a flattened out even layer carefully spread out . Not a dollop in the middle. This makes the entire result null and void in my book. Thermal paste is used to fill invisible surface impurities between processor and heat sink . Some people sand down the heat sink to such a ridiculous level of perfection that nothing is needed! as there are no impurities in the bond between heat sink and processor. However Liquid metal itself does have cooling properties on its own. Thermal paste doesn’t. By removing the fan the liquid on its own would cool the processor. Thermal paste doesn’t do that it’s not how it works. If the fans were connected and thermal paste properly installed the system would work fine for both.

[@enchantededition6879]

I think a test to see how long liquid metal works without a heat sink altogether would also be interesting to see.

[@s1laz2425]

You are one of the few youtubers that understands thermals, it's a breath of fresh air and keep up the good work! Most people would say the thermal paste works better because the air temp is cooler coming out the back of the PS5 🤦‍♂

[@SonicBoone56]

Lmfao, that's sad

[@trappz_io2620]

I was confused when the temp was lower with thermal paste. Why is that when ps5 was designed with Liquid Metal?

[@s1laz2425]

@@trappz_io2620 ​ Thermal paste transfers heat less efficiently so the heatsink doesn't get as hot because more heat is staying in the GPU which is not good. With the liquid metal it transfers heat way better so more of the heat from the GPU goes to the heatsink where the fan can blow it out the back resulting in a higher temp than the thermal paste. I hope that helps I'm not the greatest at explaining things lol.

[@User-00876gfdf]

@@trappz_io2620 🤦‍♂️

[@TechDeviceRepair]

Interesting Results! Thank you for the experiment!

[@Tronicsfix]

Thank you for watching!

[@herrakaarme]

Yeah. The behavior Steve described at the end suggests the fan control in the PS5 bios has been tweaked to work specifically with the characteristics of liquid metal. Thermal paste differs from that, so the cooling system works incorrectly by revving up and slowing down continuously. It's actually quite interesting how it's so particular about it. The hysteresis might be quite narrow. I guess all this makes sense in the big picture of manufacturing millions of consoles and thus needing to optimise everything.

[@abirashrafifaz]

but rhino escaped :|

[@elitetruegamer2432]

I always look forward to his teardowns, amazing videos. Big thanks to steve for a very detailed demonstration. When the times right I'm looking into one

[@arenavisionTV]

It's just amazing that you managed to get all of the different sizes of screws matched back into the appropriate holes

[@Notpoop906]

as he said, they are literally all the same size except one single screw.... he didn't have to note the locations down at all.

[@unknown78662]

@@Notpoop906 they are not the same screw they have different shapes and sizes

[@newrecs4969]

he's just really great at screwing

[@driverjamescopeland]

How could you possibly be surprised, when the fan control profile is based on the higher efficiency of the liquid metal. You need to boost air flow AND density, if you want to even come close. That means: 1- you either have to replace the fan with a better unit that can function on the same feed, WITHOUT tripping a fault code or 2- or you have to externally suppy said flow/density boost

[@neiliewheeliebin]

I'm more concerned about the longevity of liquid metal it often fails after a couple of years, it'll be interesting to see how it goes

[@Smiley-zm1rp]

Hell if it does just repast it

[@fudgeyman99]

@@Smiley-zm1rp the average consumer isn't expecting to have to do something like that with a product like this.

[@Sm31LyxTr33s]

Delidded 7700k still going strong after 4 years

[@TheAtqthe30th]

Generally liquid metal should last the lifetime of the console. Although it doesn't evaporate the problem is what kinds of metals are in contact with it (heatsink). Some metals it will fuse to and "dry out" which will require a new application of liquid metal.

[@ArtisChronicles]

@@fudgeyman99 the average consumer also doesn't expect to replace thermal paste, yet thermal paste is usually a rock after 5-8 years. Halfway there after 2-3. That's the typical thermal paste lifetime on processors where it isn't making direct contact to the CPU die.

[@johngale3452]

He got two I couldn’t even get one before Christmas :(

[@coffeedvdrw]

he's a scalper

[@audiobook5860]

@@coffeedvdrw proof?

[@rockl79]

@@audiobook5860 he has none lol

[@Tronicsfix]

@@coffeedvdrw No, I just happened to get two during pre orders. If I was a scalper I'd be trying to sell them to my KZbin audience for $1k

[@whothou]

@@coffeedvdrw are you 12?

[@iXPilot]

Weird that the consoles were not signaling about the disconnected cooler...

[@LeBrulox]

The cooler doesn't send any information to any controller chip. The 3 wires it has are: VCC, GND and signal, the latter to control the speed of the fan. Most electronics work that way.

[@iXPilot]

​@@LeBrulox I have zero knowledge in electronics. Isn't it possible to check how much power the cooler consumes by setting some sensor before the VCC wire? Or just check if the wires in the port are terminated correctly (back in the days, I was impressed that some of PC motherboards [the Realtek-based ones?] could tell if there's a mini-jack connected to audio output or not)?

[@LeBrulox]

@@iXPilot Yes, it's possible and some chips have that capability but the reason why you don't see this implemented very often is because the temperature sensors inside the console already give you the indirect information regarding the state of the fan, i.e, if it is turned on or not, and consoles specifically have A LOT of those sensors so you can almost precisely point out which parts are overheating. Also, many chips come with temperature sensors so it's more convenient to work with them since the beginning

[@redbeard19833]

@@iXPilot Many cooling fans in industrial applications give feedback for their RPMs. You'll get a soft-fault that a fan has failed. It's not an expensive upgrade, but, when you're talking 5$ over 1,000,000+ units produced.....it adds up.

[@growshack9067]

@@LeBrulox precisely

[@Notsoscarred]

I have a ps5 brand new sitting in the box in a warehouse waiting for me to buy it

[@mullinsjm1]

You too?!?

[@jacobsebastien3910]

The Coil Wine is waiting to be discovered in your PS5 consoles Lol'

[@mullinsjm1]

Maybe by the time I get one they'll have remedied that. That's why Im waiting and not getting one at launch. Last gen I did that with an xbox one and had a lot of issues.

[@donegal2010able]

Mine hasn't been assembled yet 2022 maybe need to get a flat screen first

[@thealien_ali3382]

Same

[@iddybox]

I gave my wife the perfect amount of thermal paste after watching this video.

[@mateivideo3104]

:))))

[@aiodensghost8645]

Says someone with a Trojan logo for a face...

[@iddybox]

@@aiodensghost8645 😆 good one. I guess the thermal paste stayed self Contained.

[@aiodensghost8645]

@@iddybox it pays to be observant... and it sure did

[@Christopher_T_Paul]

Kinda interesting. However the covers around the chips I would assume are there to protect the board against liquid metal leakage. These gaskets would be acting as an insulator and not needed for thermal paste. I assume you are using AS5 thermal paste, whilst not a bad one, it's not the greatest. Perhaps a premium paste in comparison with the gaskets off would be more like a real world test, especially as the price point of liquid metal is high.

[@gremlen]

“- John Connor: This other guy's a Terminator like you, right? - The Terminator: Not like me. A T-1000, advanced prototype. - John Connor: You mean more advanced than you are? - The Terminator: Yes. A mimetic polyalloy. - John Connor: What the hell does that mean? - The Terminator: Liquid metal.”

[@ricardoariel1239]

John Connor: I have BW-100 T-1000: F*ck

[@thecoffmans90]

T2 the best terminator movie. The first one was great, but T2 was my introduction

[@Technical_Gaming07]

Love how rhino just keeps escaping 😂

[@Ahov29]

You should compare the stock metal liquid vs the best one "conductonaut" have almost the double of thermal performance compared to the second best 40 vs 79 W/mK usually ps like xbox use the cheapset thermal compound, is like when you change the crappy ps4 metal pastel with like thermalright tf-x.. the difference is huge

[@ArtisChronicles]

I'm actually curious about this myself. Something weird with the decisions made on the console that seem to cause it to overheat regardless.

[@9SMTM6]

I'd be careful about using another liquid metal solution. Sony knows what they're doing, but when you use just any metal you could get corrosion or it could damage the containment.

[@alejandrotobienne584]

@@9SMTM6 all liquid metals have the same elements in them. It’s not like paste.

[@laureldaigneault4030]

Sony: spend years developing liquid metal thermal transfer TronicsFix: lets put the old stuff back in!

[@khalidacosta7133]

They didn't, liquid metal was in use in the PC sphere for ages

[@themercifulguard3971]

@@khalidacosta7133 Yeah but usually for more veteran overclockers. Most of the PC users use conventional thermal pastes cuz it's already enough for everyday gaming and use and small overclocking.

[@khalidacosta7133]

@@themercifulguard3971 Yep, that's my point. Most PC's don't have it because it's just horrible to work with and unnecessary. I can see a fair few failures due to it in 3-4 years time when the plastic hardens

[@learningchannel3850]

@@khalidacosta7133 what plastic are you talking about?

[@khalidacosta7133]

@@learningchannel3850 Liquid metal is conductive.. it's metal after all. So you have to surround everything that could short circuit with plastic.... the foam, the adhesive, the plastic sheet.... it's all going to degrade next to that heat.

[@computernerdinside]

I still wish we were able to see die temps, as exhaust air temps and fan sounds do give clues but can be hit/miss.

[@cyphaborg6598]

Die temps are more conclusive because as you can see even with thermalpaste and a fan it still runs just fine.

[@dfuma213]

Well Sony did say they worked on the liquid metal solution for two years, so I’m really interested as to what they did that’s different from traditional liquid metal

[@xenon473]

Probably working on the perfect volume of each metal to use for the liquid metal

[@jasephase2k933]

Was working on liquid metal to bond to apu

[@svd355]

Probably could've used PTM7950 instead for lower cost production. It has almost the same performance as LM in every way but non-conductive so extra shielding isn't necessary.

[@mas7rreaper126]

@@svd355 -The opinion of a single person vs a entire team who spent 2 years figuring out what to use and getting paid for it

[@svd355]

@@mas7rreaper126 I mean, Lenovo has been using it for their latest Legion series, be it entry-level to high-end and it's been great. EDIT: Also the RTX 4090 FE uses PTM7950. Just because an idea coming from a single person doesn't mean it's a bad one to be considered.

[@Glitch-cp8wz]

Finally, the content I was waiting for!

[@Tronicsfix]

Thanks for watching!

[@Glitch-cp8wz]

@@Tronicsfix No actually I am a computer and repair geek and I LOVE this kind of content. Yours is one of the only best channels showing that!! (Keep the good work up !!👍)

[@Slashser]

5:14 Only real TronicsFix fans will appreciate this cameo

[@FR4M3Sharma]

??

[@Slashser]

@@FR4M3Sharma It's the card reader from a "milk" soaked switch he fixed before

[@haschid]

What thermal paste was used? Some thermal compounds require a good amount of hours before achieving maximum performance.

[@AdX-nj3ti]

wouldnt make much of a difference as LM will still beat it

[@fiddlebaton4818]

@@AdX-nj3ti LM would beat it for sure, but I don't think PS5 would overheat with high end thermal paste. (like Thermal Grizzly or MX-4 for exemple) Would be nice to know what he was using indeed.

[@thatslegit]

@@fiddlebaton4818 i saw thermal grizzly wrappings in the vid

[@fiddlebaton4818]

@@thatslegit I thought it was the conductonaut. Well this is disappointing then...

[@bdssith888]

Me watching him ruin one when I can’t get even get one 👁 👄 👁

[@matilija]

lol, it's not ruined.

[@matilija]

@LisboKate It will run fine without the liquid metal, just a little louder as the fan will ramp up....the overheating was because the fan wasn't plugged in, not because it was thermal paste.

[@wedoalittletrolling5056]

He probably returned the metal liquid in the other

[@fatherelijah7088]

Ikr

[@themineingninja1045]

@Kyle Robinson if only xbox left the prices doubled for xbox live then it would’ve been a much better console lmao

[@JayzBeerz]

It's good to know you can take it apart to remove dust build up without separating the APU with the heatsink. Thanks bro.

[@lordalbertfondlebottomxiii5249]

Yeah this is honestly the best thing. Having to reapply paste on the ps4 every time you wanted to clean it out entirely was a huge hassle.

[@JayzBeerz]

@@lordalbertfondlebottomxiii5249 yep and that liquid metal takes time to apply it correctly. sony did a great job in protecting other parts from the liquid metal.

[@evilformerlys4704]

Wait what? In the teardown from a couple of months ago they showed everything, you guys new to the internet?

[@casualbachelor]

That is a nice looking *PS4* you got there Tronics..

[@GenesGripChannel]

I'm really surprised to see you here, your videos are great and helped me a lot, thank you.

[@casualbachelor]

@@GenesGripChannel All good buddy

[@Dauntless-4ever9437]

I don't know if this counts but the PS5 can play PS4 games, so I guess technically it could be a PS4 and a PS5 when you think about it. it might be called a PS5 but it also plays PS4 games so in a way I would think that you could say it's part PS4 I just hope by the time I can get one they don't take backwards compatibility out for PS4 by the way like they did with the PS3 slim and the super slim for PS2 games the original PS3 could play PS2 games but the PS3 slim and super slim couldn't and the only way you could get them to play PS2 games is by moding them all three of them can play PS1 games though as far as I know just not all of them can play PS2 games I hope they don't do that to the PS5 where they take out PS4 backwards compatibility cuz I still have PS4 discs that I play on my PS4 and if I get a PS5 I'm going to get a disc version so I can play the PS4 games that I have and even still I'll keep my PS4 just in case they do take that backwards compatibility away

[@rileymannion5301]

Seeing the inside of the ps5 is just infuriating, all those tiny little pieces increase manufacture time and reduce repairability, it would be probably 150 dollars cheaper if the design wasn't so inept

[@Flip86x]

How is it inept? They design the board first. Then design the shell and the rest of the other components around it. I'd like to see you try it. 😂

[@rileymannion5301]

@Flip86x I'm just saying they over rely on flimsy plastic clips which means there's a finite amount of times you can open it before something breaks

[@altersami9660]

I clicked on your video, watched an ad and like your video just because you didn't use a click-baity title, and even included the result it. I hope more people do that.

[@lechkenassh9008]

ps4's have thermal paste ps5's might have liquid. my ps4 has had it thermal paste replaced 4 times since 1 1/2 yrs ago from new!!! it overheated with in a week of purchase!!! now it runs fine no more memory errors. or lagg spikes. and the wifi/Ethernet cable are working fine after.

[@HazyJ28]

I love the motif of trolling elitist with the thermal paste 🤣. Every damn time

[@ysf_ar6984]

4:08 yep my ps4 has liquid metal in it

[@ysf_ar6984]

@kurbsyde to make a small joke?????

[@ItWazWritten]

@kurbsyde big 😠 mad

[@woh2357]

I wonder how the ps4 would perform with liquid metal.

[@arthurwaring]

@kurbsyde "yOuR pOiNt iS?" A harmless joke that went over your obnoxious head

[@Zahoodo]

@kurbsyde not gonna lie bro PS4 controllers are the easiest think to do any sort of mods or repairs a 4 year old with advise can do it

[@EagIEyes]

Tronics, have you heard the latest news? The liquid metal is leaking into the seal of the apu in the vertical position. I want to use it vertically, but the only solution out there is to turn it horizontal to prevent this. There's gotta be something we can do to use it vertically without worrying about it leaking. What can we do?

[@dnalekaw4699]

literally nopthing unless you open it up and rub vaseline everywhere or stop the force of gravity

[@drdaddy777]

Not buy into click bait articles based off a guy who runs a repair shop and only sees bad things. 30 million sold and it isn't some red ring of death level issue. I think you'll be fine man.

[@Klelslol]

You have literally nothing at all to worry about, bro. I'm an IT Hardware Technician, and I performed a tear-down of mine two days ago (Been in Vertical position since April 2021 and played on a near daily basis). Nothing at all was wrong, APU seal was still holding strong with no issues whatsoever. Don't believe the hype, it's not a widespread problem.

[@andrejpopovic52]

Lots of pressure is applied to the apu and the liquid metal. It cannot seep out

[@S-420]

Thermal paste works just fine on a PS5 as long as you leave the fan connected

[@kidwajagstang]

Just noticed the correction on screen saying 126 degrees because I was about to say “how the **** did it get so cold AND so hot!?!”

[@guitarcare]

i want to see how you re-applied the liquid metal paste 😀

[@YSSEAN0]

He can get the perfect amount of thermal paste... But can he get the perfect amount of liquid metal??

[@Tronicsfix]

Ha, ha...still perfecting that!

[@iandu7517]

Why not put thermal paste as much as possible?

[@mrtoasticles7144]

@@iandu7517 cuz the more doesn’t mean better

[@iandu7517]

@@mrtoasticles7144 why

[@mrtoasticles7144]

@@iandu7517 cuz idk how to explain but too little thermal paste is bad and too much is bad. You gotta have the right amount. What i did for my ps4, I applied thermal paste, closed it, and re checked to see if i put the right amount, cleaned it and re paste.

[@clapper2trapper481]

No way I was wondering about this 😁 glad you did a video on it.

[@h8GW]

You didn't tell us which brand of paste you were using. I'd like to see the results if you used a good performer like IC Diamond.

[@jimmycakes12]

Used bw100 on my car usb port that was acting up. Fixed it perfectly

[@mccringy7294]

I’ve been waiting for this

[@Tronicsfix]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@mccringy7294]

@@Tronicsfix I already know I’m gonna

[@Reegareth]

I'm actaully super impressed at sony for adopting such a modern thermal solution for heat transfer... Even many computer enthusasts aren't using liquid metal for obvious risk reasons but to see sony go ahead and build a proper solution to safely use it is actually pretty great. I hope that the PC market takes note of this and we start seeing full CPU cooling solutions build around the safe and easy use of liquid metal.

[@dawnoftruth1]

This guy, every thing this guy says. lol, I agree

[@rap4live39]

Its cool, but it seems like they had no other option because of their design and high clock rates 😅

[@LiveType]

There was no other option given the high heat density due to the high clocks of the PS5 chip. This was literally the cheapest solution. The alternative would be to increase the size of the heatsink and mounting pressure which would have gotten pricey. With this they literally spend maybe ~$2 on isolation components and then the ~$0.25 on liquid metal on top of the likely ~$10-12 for the heatsink bringing the total to an estimated ~$15 total. The alternative would be to spend ~$25-30 on the heatsink. The xbox series X in comparison actually spends more money on the heatsink but not a whole lot. Maybe closer to $20 total. Overall sony doesn't lose money on the PS5 at this point in time while microsoft is tanking close to $50 a console even now. By far the most expensive thing would be the massive assembly and process changes required. That would have been pricey, but still overall cheaper than spending more on the heatsink over the tens of million of units they sell. This is the reason you don't see this on laptops. The massive assembly line changes is why you don't see on laptops except for the highest end stuff. The overall potential savings and performance improvements aren't worth the massive millions of dollars it takes to retool the lines as the amount of laptops being sold isn't that high.

[@yoool7137]

@@LiveType if i compare teardown of series x vs ps 5...the xbox series x looks alot more premium...

[@ivand5699]

It was the only option to be on par with the series X big GPU, it was a last moment but good move from sony.

[@crmy84]

YESS...THAT THE PERFECT AMOUNT OF THERMAL PASTE!!

[@imran2nv]

Hahahaha he well overdid that.

[@Michael18751]

@@imran2nv Better than underdoing it

[@imran2nv]

@@Michael18751 it would take a very small amount to do it correctly so to put on less then the required amount would be difficult. And even so, bare metal to metal contact with a extremely low amount of thermal paste would be better then overdoing it. No thermal paste would be the worst

[@growshack9067]

Less is better than overdose of thermal pasting

[@growshack9067]

@@Michael18751 opposite

[@ervinstankovic2462]

I don’t understand why this cools so much better??? My question was answered at the end of the video!

[@MrRubberduck645]

I don't know if you need to hear this or not but you're doing a grate job. You have provided loads of entertainment for me and I'm 100% sure many others. Keep it up my dude. You are quite skilled at your craft.

[@kushmull7307]

This was actually realy interesting wow. I thought that liquid medal made very little difference but i guess not.

[@Damaniel3]

Liquid metal usually only gets you a couple degrees lower temps under load than the best thermal pastes do. They make more sense when you have a closed system and automated hardware to do the application (like Sony does), but they make far less sense for the average computer enthusiast when you consider the dangers of applying it and the way it interacts with heatsinks over time. If anything, I'm actually concerned how PS5s will perform a few years down the road as the heatsinks inevitably absorb small amounts of the liquid metal just from the contact. I don't know if we'll get Xbox 360 RROD-levels of failure, but I expect to see increasing numbers of failures over time.

[@LoneWolf5841-]

@@Damaniel3 it looked like the heat sink had something protecting it from direct contact if you look when he cleaned it up the heat sink wasn't a copper color so my guess is Sony put something on the heat sink where the liquid metal sits to prevent any reactions from taking place.

[@LiveType]

@@LoneWolf5841- Nickle plating. Engineers know what they're doing 👍. It is concerning that Sony resorted to liquid metal as opposed to redesigning the console and heatsink though.

[@jamolbonaparte6908]

@@LiveType lol probably cost

[@bboyalanleung123]

8:42 Ahhhhh perfect

[@danholli123]

Too much ( ´ー`)

[@matthewmcewen1]

@@danholli123 no such thing as too much when it is of paramount importance that you cover the die under all circumstances. If even the tiniedt part is not covered, the transistors under that section will overheat. This is opposed to putting too much on, which results in a bit of a mess but totally normal thermals.

[@danholli123]

@@matthewmcewen1 but there is such a thing as too much as thermal paste is meant to be a filler of the gaps not a patty in a burger

[@matthewmcewen1]

@@danholli123 it's meant to be a guaranteed safety for your die. That comes first and foremost. Did you see how much liquid metal Sony deemed necessary?

[@danholli123]

@@matthewmcewen1 liquid metal is also a lot more conductive than thermal paste, which is why they used it. I saw a video where they replaced it with thermal paste and played a game for 30 minutes and it over heated

[@SilverWolfPL]

I preffer electronic cleaning tissues for removing liquid metal - it's much faster than cue tip and syringe, but You cannot reuse LM.

[@geenaxion]

I don't even know anything about electronics but I'm watching your videos.

[@MrMafioza1995]

BW-100 even works on Downhill bike fork suspension internals that are full of old oil residue when stripped and ready for service

[@sicparvismagna9586]

Your videos are very entertaining when compared to the videos which are meant to entertain us. 😁

[@robertandruw7647]

So this explains why Sony decided to go with liquid metal instead. interesting.

[@Until_It_Is_Done]

Yeah, if something goes wrong, the console will last an extra 3 mins. Impressive...😂

[@Tronicsfix]

Yep, exactly

[@untamedronin8339]

@@Until_It_Is_Done he completely disconnected the fan you donkey😂

[@eliadbu]

@@Until_It_Is_Done it's not about if something goes wrong it's more about improving the PS5 cooling by improving the efficiency of the medium between the cooling solution and the APU itself. by improving the the efficiency you can either allow the APU to be cooler at the same fan speed or allow the system to be quieter by reducing fan speed while the APU runs at the same temperature.

[@BIGNOIDS]

@@eliadbu PS5 is already whisper quiet

[@Mdaftz]

Curious how long the Series X would last using the same test with an unplugged fan... Probably a shorter amount of time because the cooling system is based on the heat sink having air moved against it perpendicularly.

[@Notpoop906]

Not at all. The thermal mass alone is over double that of the PS5. That one factor would keep it cooler for longer.

[@Mdaftz]

@yt 1234 They don't run "hot" they dissipate more heat exhausting hot isn't a problem that's a design

[@belabanana3586]

I wasnt really a tech guy before the beginning of 2020, and still i understand nothing. I still watch your videos because they are interesting and entertaining.

[@MrSnugglles]

I like it how some people can't even get that beast and people like this, just get them for testing

[@sniperyaz]

My question is how long before it dry the liquid metal without any leakage? I think there is a pros and cons between the two

[@g33k_Tech]

yeah im worried about that because my ps5 always on vertical position

[@ramboj7924]

cool thing is, if ps5 used a cheaper less efficient solution like thermal paste (aka what xbox series x uses) then ps5 design would probably have been bigger to accomodate a larger fan or even less powerful to produce less heat. quite interesting how liquid cooling can give you more performance in theory by pushing the processor more

[@deadpool1966]

U mean cutting corners as a buisness to make extra profits while giving the customer less. That sounds about right coming out of japan

[@tomv8917]

@@deadpool1966 they're not giving the customer less? If a company has the ability to cut down on costs while maintaining or increasing performance then that's probably the best of both worlds for the manufacturer and customer

[@DiasLagu]

Bruh, I knew Sony was trying to bring about Judgment Day, and this confirms it. They are working for skynet and has put liquid metal in all ps5s!

[@virgilwalker683]

fact is, if their was a fan directly over the APU, that would never over heat with thermal paste.

[@carloseltopoquegira7454]

The fact after watching this video is: Thermal Paste fan curve will be triggered for higher rotation often more than metal, and thus, will be more audible but more cooler which breaks the logic for applying metal for durability purpose, it's in reality to please the audience with a mute console. What do you prefer? I prefer a cooler console because it will last more before breake. So if it was possible to run the blower fan at maximum or close to it PS5 would appreciate.

[@virgildeklerk]

Are you also going to test them both with a active fan and about two hours of gameplay? very curious what the temp difference will show.

[@danielstevenson1216]

Great seeing the sped up tronicsfix lets play at the end, although I am jealous of the 2 PS5'S I have spent many hours trying to get one before Christmas.

[@Tronicsfix]

Glad you enjoyed that. I was lucky and somehow managed to get two pre orders. Although I still don't have the digital version. Still trying to get that one so I can tear it down.

[@5izzy557]

It overheated! Maybe because the fans were disconnected, I'm no expert.

[@DarylCarboxylate]

Was part of the experiment, sherlock :-P

[@Modyfikator]

Hi @Tronicsfix can you tell me what paste you use in test ?

[@hazelman1]

Im wonder, is there any issues when you put PS5 with their Liquid metal on verticaly position? Is the gravity doesn't affect Liquid metal at all?? Thank you..

[@jcgamer1650]

Standing it vertically shouldn't cause the liquid metal to fall onto everything else in the motherboard. The ps5 has multiple seals to protect it. It can still happen though if the ps5 is bumped really hard enough to cause the liquid metals seal to break and start dripping over the motherboard. But if it's just sitting there and you handle it with care(not bumping it) it should be fine.

[@captaincrunch1707]

Would be great for you to investigate PS5 coil whine and the noise difference in fan models between delta/Nidec etc. also if silicone thermal pads are better than the thermal puddy compound

[@mrasoom8491]

I can not wait for a video of you fixing 20 ps5 😅

[@Tribes11]

Wow who would say, they went on a much more costly project of using liquid metal because it actually makes sense!

[@overlordghs1081]

i assume they ended up saving money long term with this. instead of needing to purchase/manufacture more expensive or better performing chips, they can overclock the cheaper chips to get better performance and then offset the higher heat with a better thermal transfer system. the idea of using liquid metal in this way is definitely not new so it's not like sony had to reinvent the wheel in order to implement this system, it's all just a matter of making sure everything is properly sealed off and you apply enough liquid metal to actually ensure proper heat transfer. at the end of the day, console manufacturers these days know they are selling their consoles at a loss and if they can save even a couple dollars a console, it easily adds up to millions saved in the long run.

[@bigstabby]

Thermal paste didn't work well with the ps3. Yellow light of death was basically the thermal paste burning off. Afterward I had to constantly reapply with a cheaper one that was available over the counter because the one Sony used was banned for environmental reasons.

[@LennyQUMFIF]

So does using Liquid Metal avoid the Yellow Light? (60GB BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE PS3, PLAYS ALL PS2 GAMES, has the PS2's CPU/GPU)

[@bigstabby]

@@LennyQUMFIF I don't think you could properly seal in the liquid metal on the ps3. I don't think the tolerance in fittment would allow for the same sort of seal as on a ps5 but I could be wrong. It's been over a decade since I did all that.

[@HardWhereHero]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Grizzly is the best. if it cant replace the LM nothing can. Buying my first PS5 here in a few days, my biggest worry is having ZERO XP with LM but I wont see any reason to replace it within the first 2 years or so. LM lasts a lot longer than what most people think. Plus sony used specific metal alloys to avoid corrosion. The Red and silver cans that are at Autozone is great for cleaning electronics, I use it on my kids RC car and motherboards that I buy and refurbish. I think its called CRC Electric contact cleaner or something. Stuff will blast thermal paste off and take away its ability to be sticky, it just balls up and falls off. You can use it to blast TIM off of the pin contacts on a motherboard so you dont risk bending.

[@kuzon565]

Anyone else notice that he only waited five minutes when he said “ten minutes later”😂

[@thekingofcats197]

No he said the 10 minutes mark

[@c85ris]

Must be nice to have 2 i cant even get my hands on one!!

[@willjohnboy]

So Sony's liquid metal cooling solution works best shocker it's like they spent time finding the best cooling solution.

[@Komarikai]

Shame they don't know how to do it. There is enough liquid metal there, to do 4 applications.

[@Muffinkakes1]

@@Komarikai yeah I wish I was rich enough to use THAT much of my conductonaut on my hardware. Hell I have to buy the stuff 1 gram at a time and I only get 3 applications at most out of it

[@superbvillany1678]

@@Komarikai i think they over did the LM to compensate for it bonding with the heatsink and drying over time. Most people have no idea about thermal solutions that console game.

[@neiliewheeliebin]

Sony's cooling solution looks like a slapped together afterthought compared to the Xbox Series X efficient design

[@penatio]

@@neiliewheeliebin The new Xbox consoles are beautiful and well designed. The PS5 is really ugly and feels kinda half-assed.

[@MRFLIP]

I was a none beliver in this ontell my son's ps5 started over heating. We sent it back under warranty through Amazon and just got it back today and low and behold the repair was they replaced the thermal paste

[@-MaXuS-]

LOL really enjoyed the "now for the PERFECT amount of thermal paste"!! Bet ppl shat their pants about that one!

[@Darnokin]

I love how he keeps calling it a ps4😂😂

[@treywar25]

And 7 months later neither console really has any new generation defining games yet lol... Other than maybe an 8 hour single player spiderman game

[@ethandb76]

Facts

[@battheman777]

It would have been good to test the thermal paste PS5 with the liquid metal as well either before or after the thermal paste testing

[@misterijaaaa]

Are cooling fans the same?? There is talk and comparisons that there is 3 different fans and it affects noise very much!

[@MicCheckMemoirs]

Yeah, there are different cooling fans depending on the PS5. I think some are PS4Pro fans to save cost.

[@RaiZdbyDINGOES]

@@MicCheckMemoirs no they're not. The PS5 fan is literally twice the size.. They can't use the PS4 pro fan. Not sure where ppl get this BS

[@tails300]

Yes that’s true but the noisier one made by Nidec may have the best cooling capacity due to blade design.

[@MicCheckMemoirs]

@@RaiZdbyDINGOES then why are there a different amount of blades depending on SKU?

[@ch3micalromanc369]

I've got the same fan as in the teardown. Whisper quiet no coil whine 😜

[@olivierplayer1633]

i wonder if this liquid metal stays good forever ?

[@rogu3tharonin]

What's really needed to be known is the results over long term. Would love to know that. Now that would be interesting.

[@hornylink]

imagine if the reduction of lead laws didn't pass, this liquid metal would probably just be a glob of quicksilver :V

[@ArtisChronicles]

That... Well I can't say whether that would be better for the heat transfer or not.

[@devilmikey00]

I'm curious to see how the LM lasts long term. I've never used it personally in a PC but I've been told it needs to be replaced far more often then a good high quality thermal paste. Also curious if the stuff they are using to seal in the LM will hold up well enough long term that the LM doesn't start leaking out. LM obviously has it's advantages but it seems like a bit of a risk to shove it in a big commodity item like this.

[@Notpoop906]

lmfao who told you that???? liquid metal does not dry and NEVER needs replacing. It's metal bro. There is no water content... Thermal paste dries out. Whoever told you that you have to replace liquid metal was lying lol. Like for real. It literally does not dry or go bad.... Feel like I don't need to say this again but ITS METAL. There is nothing to dry out....

[@gamerX-wk7ct]

that's because of cheap copper alot of times you will have a copper plated heatsink and thats where you will see liquid metal be absorbed into the heatsink or pitted anyway that's why some say it needs replaced . so always check the copper heatsink with a magnet if it is magnetic then it's not pure copper

[@danielburchfield9213]

How does he get 2 ps5’s when I can’t even find one.

[@robertandruw7647]

I don't think Steve bought it from a scalper neither. maybe pure luck in stores?

[@ConnorSeals]

@@robertandruw7647 connections.

[@Tronicsfix]

@@robertandruw7647 Pure luck with pro orders

[@themistaken5196]

@@Tronicsfix Pre ordering multiple is just wrong...Like even this it may be educational but you've practically ruined the manufacturing value of the two systems I get its educational but its still wrong to take more than you needed

[@jerbsherb4391]

This is the problem console owners don't understand. It's almost impossible to expect PC-like performance from your consoles without compromises. There is a reason why PC heatsinks are large and graphics cards require their own cooling. I am still amazed they can deliver this much performance in such a small form factor.

[@CobaltKitty_01]

@2:33 and 4:10 "ps4" lmao, I do it too! Lol, hard to believe my boyfriend got one a few days ago from Walmart and will arrive in time for Christmas. Love your vids, I learn a lot from them.

[@george420]

Did I miss something? The brand new ps5 overheated quickly as well? How is it that they're selling so many if there's an obvious issue?

[@LuNeCxX]

Dude he unhooked the fans of course they would overheat

[@george420]

@@LuNeCxX yea, I totally agree they would without the fans. I just didn't notice he did that.

[@LuNeCxX]

@@george420 no problem just wanted to point that out cuz you asked if you missed something

[@will891410]

I knew people who once used tooth paste on their PS3 back then.

[@Simon-oy7kf]

You knew idiots who used toothpaste on their ps3's

[@kamilwaek8326]

Dude, about 10 years ago when i was doing "restoration" of my "gaming PC" with core 2 duo e6600 clocked to 3ghz, after i removed the tower cooler i had and cleaned the old thermal paste i found out that i dont have any more left to put on. I quickly went online to look around for a temporary replacement of thermal paste, someone suggested that tooth paste (the basic white one, without flakes or 3 layers like airfresh) will work. AND IT FREAKING DID, temps were a little high, but after i went to 2.4ghz stock clock it was fine for 2 weeks until my new thermal paste arrived. You may believe or not but thats true story.

[@adilsonbankai]

Honestly, this left me with more doubts than at the start. Which thermal paste was used? Is the PS5 liquid metal as conductive as thermal grizzly's, for example? What about high conductive competitive (like LN2 overclocking) thermal paste? Still, great video, thanks for sharing.

[@eduardmillan1378]

Excellent ... From what little I know about Thermodynamics that I learned at the University and I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong ... The person who is doing the heat comparison between the two consoles, is only measuring the temperature by Convection and It is not measuring the temperature by Conduction, which is where the second law of thermodynamics applies ... That is, it is not an exact measurement of the real temperature of the console processor since there is a big difference ... For example, it is as if We would have patients with a very high fever and we would try to measure our body temperature by blowing the thermometer (Convection) instead of putting the thermometer in our mouth (Conduction) ... In short, liquid metal cooling is much more efficient on the contrary of thermal paste since it is a material with greater thermal conductivity that transfers and expels all the heat ... That is why the temperature expelled by Convection is higher ... And as for the liquid metal It cannot have contact with the other components, it is because it has electrical conductivity and it could cause a short circuit unlike thermal paste that does not have electrical conductivity ... I hope this information helps and if I am wrong, someone will correct me for Please since this is a broad subject governed by the laws of thermodynamics ... Greetings to all, and God bless you (^. ^) .. '

[@venumadhava9514]

And you deserve a thanks

[@almightyanima7023]

not only is it super hard to even get your hands on a ps5, but this mans just has an extra to run random tests on.... must be nice