Here's Why If I Bought Another Porsche 911, I'd Buy a 997 Turbo Over a GT3

[@Nathan-ng1jt]

Love your channel, having £70k to spend on a car is a heavy burden of exotic choice. I feel wonderfully exonerated not having this terrible dilemma forced upon me.

[@normski2982]

I have a 997.2 turbo manual (in fact I've offered to James to test) with a Europipe exhaust; its absolutely sublime and so competent. Very much undervalued compared to GT products.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Can you resend your email? I'd love to organise something!

[@normski2982]

@@JayEmmOnCars - Just re-sent to you. Owning a 964 aswell - found your commentary at the start really interesting!

[@jameshunterford4099]

@@JayEmmOnCars YESSSSSSSSSSS! More Porsche content 😆🙌🏼⭐️🙌🏼⭐️🙌🏼⭐️🙌🏼⭐️

[@keithjackson4985]

Good for you. I applaud anyone who takes a plunge like that.

[@golf1diesel]

@@normski2982 what 964 have you got?

[@RogerBaileyOnCars]

Looking forward to watching this, interestingly Ben Collins stig drives one of these, swears by it

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I knew I'd find you here Roger! :)

[@danielsonscott3038]

I own the 997.1 Turbo tiptronic, when I bought wasn't sure about the gear box, over time got used to it and works great, it is not PDK but functions well, the tiptronic makes the Turbo more a road monster rather than track monster,not to mention that when driving in and out the city love it even more, the heritage of the Porsche Turbo will stand for ever!

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

The Turbo is for sure the more practical choice but the GT3 thrills like none other.

[@mezgermischief]

They are different experiences; I love the 3.6 and 3.8 NA motors, but the turbo and gt2 models provide a different (and arguably greater) sense of sheer speed. To me getting a turbo is the perfect highway car.

[@OM-kw4py]

Have you driven a 997 turbo manual?! When it goes, the torque hit and the sheer speed at which the tach moves is like crack cocaine!

[@dardog7734]

Have you had crack cocaine ?

[@midasman1768]

Great vid as always👍🏼 i have a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic, 3.6. I came from a 991.2 GTS and the 997 is by far the best Porsche I have owned. I use it every day, so easy to use but like a time machine when you press the pedal.

[@atrain132]

You mean like when you hit 88mph?

[@SignalCorps1]

Yea, I have a 997.1 Turbo Trip as my daily driver too and it is simply an outstanding vehicle and frankly a top notch GT car.

[@wernerengel6357]

I also have a 997 Turbo but had the muffler baffles taken out by a local expert. Totally different car now. Revs more easily and sounds great without the droaning on a freeway. Love the car now. Great show Jay.

[@jimsteinway695]

That’s really easy to do yourself in about 2 hours. I did it on my 993 TT

[@markpissed_on_petrol1566]

If you couldnt keep up with a 981 spyder in a 997 GT3 on track I’d suggest the difference was the driver, not the car…🤔. 997 GT3s are absolutely devastating on track, in the right hands 👍

[@Therod911]

To be fair, if you just jump in a car that you do't know. You're never going to be as fast as when you know the car inside and out. Let alone if the car isn't yours and you tend to be responsible with other peoples' stuff. But all things being equal, the GT3 should win that of course.

[@DW911S]

i agree with this however i do agree with JayEmm to a degree - the 997.1 GT3 was more rounded than the 996 GT3s, but it was a car that would catch you out if you weren't accustomed the the powerband. A colleague had a 997.1 GT3 and I at the time a 997.1 C4S (with a powertrain kit) and my initial reaction on driving it on the road was underwhelming. Then i realised i had another 2400rpm to play with and OH MY GOD what an experience that was. Fantastic cars - if i had the money now I'd be trying to get into a 997.2 GT3 as that was always for me the pinniacle of the 997 range.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

A GT3 is very good *on the right track*, like I mentioned I took it out at Blyton Park which seemed almost custom made to have a 997 in the wrong gear at every corner

[@markpissed_on_petrol1566]

Dave Ive owned both 996 and 997 GT3s and Turbos, and I think the GT3s are infinitely more special than the turbos on road and track. I think if all you want is straight-line performance, or point-to-point pace on the road then the turbo will provide you with that, in a much more accessible platform. But the GT3 feels so much more hardcore and demands more respect from its driver, and if you give it the respect it demands it can take you to a place that the turbo could only dream of in terms of driver feedback and thrills. With the GT3 you get out of it what you put into it, which to me is way more satisfying than just point and squirt. Plus we cant ignore the noise! The turbos sound like washing machines next to their GT3 siblings

[@DW911S]

@Mark pissed_on_petrol I'm with you on that - GT3 over a turbo any day of the week. Out of interest, how would you rank the 996 GT3 vs 997 GT3? Only driven a 997 GT3 but everyone rants and raves about the 996 being much more visceral.

[@niallodriscoll3399]

The 997 turbo is one of my all time favourite porches for many reasons, but for one in particular (this will sound fickle) is the wheels. In this instance the alloys make the machine (aesthetically speaking). I seem to find this with a lot of car manufacturers, where certain makes and models have impeccably designed wheels and this beast is no different.

[@tloc1043]

When my wife and I were young we always had manual cars, apart from when we lived in the USA, when a 3 speed auto was our only vehicle. However, in 1997 we returned from living in Switzerland and we were shocked with the state of the roads and traffic in the UK. Things have just got worse. Gradually our cars were replaced with autos. The current family car is a BMW 5 series touring auto. The forth auto touring we have owned since 1997. When it's about 8 years old or it reaches about 80,000 miles it will be replaced with another auto. However, the 997 turbo tip has now done 84,000 miles over 16 years and it won't be replaced. I know it's not a manual or a fast PDK box but I have no desire to replace it with a larger, slightly faster 992 Turbo. If my wife and I need to travel fast, in any weather, over a long distance it is still the car of choice. Just put it down to our age.

[@keithjackson4985]

I don't put it down to age. I put it down to experience and wisdom?

[@buggerlugz6753]

You should experience the roads in Nottinghamshire...........

[@mak23997]

I have a 997 turbo tip. Love it. While I miss a manual sometime I'm still shocked (as are others) how fast it really is. The tip is unfairly maligned.

[@jimsteinway695]

The tiptronic is the worst transmission that Porsche ever made. What ever you do AT LEAST get a PDK car. A 997.2 pdk 911S is faster than a 997.1 turbo tiptronic. Slightly faster 992 turbo? You’re talking 0-60 for a 997.1 turbo more than 4.7 seconds. A 992 Turbo is in the 2.5 range. It’s twice as fast as the 997 tip. ANY tiptronic 911 is slow

[@tloc1043]

@@jimsteinway695 Interesting comments but can I just make a few extra points. Firstly, the tiptronic box is a Mercedes unit capable of taking very high power loads and is very strong. Secondly, in standard form the 997 turbo tip 0-60mph time was officially from Porsche 3.7 sec, 0.2 seconds faster than a manual , and quite fast enough for the UK roads. Other tests found those figures conservative. Finally if you want to, the Mezger engine combined with the tip box, can be tuned to power outputs way in excess of that found in the 992 turbo S at a much lower price than buying a 992 turbo. A friend in Switzerland has his tuned to 1400 bhp and the tip box can handle that kind of power. 0-60 in the low 2 seconds and a top speed well in excess of 200mph. I am sure you could modify a manual or PDK box to take that kind of output but would it have any effect on outright performance times or speeds? My point is each individual has their own driving preferences and for me having driven both a manual and PDK turbo the tip version fully meets my driving style for current UK roads.

[@JamesThomas-wf9sl]

I love my 996 C4S, to the point that I'm spending £5k on it this week for suspension replacement, I suspect I'll love it even more after. I mulled over a turbo the sheer pace of it makes it a consideration, the lack of sound was an issue, but I also wanted to sample a proper N/A 911 before the downsized turbo lumps came in and then electrification. I have no regrets.

[@ozeskiman]

Great review of an icon in 911s'. For a while I've been contemplating buying a car to keep in Europe for fun drives and also long distance travel. I'd thought about a 575M or a 599 but this is also a contender. I'd considered a Porsche Cayman 918GTS, but I just didn't think about a turbo. Now I will. A lot cheaper it seems to both own and run than a Fezza and with a bit more space for baggage. Enough grunt for mountain passes and safe with the 4S. Less depreciation too. Food for thought, thanks.

[@resnonverba137]

I'd rather have this beautiful manual Turbo than any remotely similarly priced Ferrari.

[@richardh3587]

I’d rather own the Porsche but drive the Ferrari !

[@edombre4637]

I love both porsche and ferrari

[@judokawav]

Same lol I don't like any Ferraris apart from the 348 and Testarossa and Daytona SP3

[@syowong1738]

I have bought me first 911 - 992 Targa HDE last year. Enjoyed every bit of it. Then last month, I bought a 997 Turbo Gen 1.5. Despite being a 2009 model with a Tiptronic gearbox, I could never have imagined how it could stand the test of time - it is really fast, size is perfect, handling superb, having the legendary Mezger engine and most importantly, the drive was MORE raw and involving. This brought back the fun of driving to another level! The only downside is the sound which was a bit underwhelming.

[@kellensperduto4359]

your channel is spot on man, i have nerded out about 997 turbos because i am looking to buy one and you recapped everything i dug up on the internet about the car in one video. awesome stuff man, keep up the great videos

[@simonzero3815]

Having Owned a 997 C4s for the past five years i can honestly agree with everything you say. I had a big issue about the dreaded 'IMS' concerns hanging over ownership, but having spoke to probably two of the best individuals in the trade when it comes to buying used Porsche {Joel & Darren aka RSJ} i can concur that i do not even think about it now. Most of the late 997's before 2008 had the bigger bearing upgrade as standard. They are just such a great car to own and i can totally understand why prices are and will probably continue to rise. Great video J and nice to see you enjoying our fantastic Essex roads. Cheers Si

[@computerhelpcc]

Bore scoring is now the worst threat and there isn’t anything preventative. It’s the risk all 911 have from 99 to 08

[@simonzero3815]

@@computerhelpcc Tiptronics do not require to be bore scored as they are fitted with a limiter that stops the over revs.

[@hensh911]

Hi James, I have a 2008 997.1 C2S coupé in manual that you're welcome to sample. Unfortunately it doesn't have a sun roof and it is in meteor grey metallic, but it does have PSE and a factory fitted short shifter. I've had it for two years now and done 23k miles (bought at 45k on the odo), done a couple of Euro trips inc Alps, and a bit of track too.

[@yannickhofmann2447]

The 997.1 Turbo is just so overlooked! It has every attribute to qualify for being a modern-day 993! Nice to see the car has the very rare bucket seats, I have the same in mine and I absolutely love them! Great review as usual!

[@computerhelpcc]

Not overlooked.

[@yannickhofmann2447]

@@computerhelpcc well I own one and it’s one of the few things that brings all the right characteristics and hasn’t really shot up in value. I don’t necessarily care but the new age has led people to believe that the 911 Turbo, which is arguably the definitive sports car, is just a comfy cruiser. #maketurbosgreatagain

[@brianbutterworth8043]

I seemed to have returned to watch this video a few times, several of the points you raise hit the right notes with me. In short thanks to you I now find myself the owner of my own 997.1 manual turbo. Coming from a 987.1 3.2 Boxster the performance is a hoot. Thank you❤

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Congratulations Brian - I hope you enjoy it!

[@amanite5845]

I watch a alot of different car-channels but i have to say that this is may all time favourite. So well balanced between facts and emotions. Keep up the great job Jay!

[@rickyfrankental3439]

I have a 997.1 turbo in black with MT exactly like the one reviewed in the video. I am in South Africa and paid £48,000 for it. It is an awesome car! I also have a 996 C4S. I think the only downside of the 997.1 turbo is the sound. It’s doesn’t have the drama of the 996 C4S. Absolutely brutal acceleration though and it’s a brilliant long distance GT car. It’s much easier to drive than the 996 and if you drive then back to back the 997.1 is more civilised. Interior is much better than the 996. As a daily driver the 997 is hands down the better car. For Sunday fun the 996 C4S I think is great. If I decide to keep the Tubro long term I will modify the exhaust and get a better sound out of it and make it Sunday drivers car. Nice video and I agree with your thoughts! I think if I was to go with a GT product I would go with the original 996 mk1 GT3. That’s a special car IMO. More raw that the 997 gt3 and more of an experience.

[@OM-kw4py]

Put an exhaust on it. Then drive with the windows down, and report back.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Awesome car. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@lotusesprit38]

I've driven a car exactly as this one in 2007 in a circuit and i've love it, great handling,torque, the speed and aceleration of it it's mind blowing but just like James said ,the sound that cames out of exhaust is like a hoover

[@keithjackson4985]

Lol 😆 lol 😆 hilarious. I'm still happy for you. Enjoy it.

[@sammyh9542]

I have owned a 997.2 turbo for 4 years now and still love it. It still surprises me when I put my foot down. Although it’s a pdk, but suits me for daily driving.

[@stevetyler9893]

Hello James, good video as ever. You may remember I offered you an E-Type, but not good timing. Recently bought a 2018 Carrera T (manual) if you're interested.

[@chubbsmasterson]

My dad had a 997 Turbo S, ferocious fast but since has changed to a 991 GT3 RS. The Turbo S is the far more useable car on the road, as the GT3 RS passenger seating position is horrendous and firmness in suspension means long journeys become a chore. And most of the owners to cars like these tend to be ‘older’ means many of the GT3 cars gather dust and are rarely driven.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Ok, I was skeptical when I saw how filthy the car was in the thumbnail - but I watched the news last night and saw how bad the storms have been in the UK, so fair enough, and good on Lee for not jus cancelling given the chaos!

[@JoJoJoker]

The 997.2 GTS & Turbo S are two of my favorite cars. The 997.2 Targa 4S Power Kit is the dream spec.

[@Donccces]

Hi Mr JayEmm. I own very early (54 plate) 997 C2S Manual. We can try to arrange to have a go in. Happy to help.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Drop me an email on [e-mail]

[@danielrigby9984]

I’ve got one of these and I love it!!!

[@jameshunterford4099]

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[@JayEmmOnCars]

Never far from Porsche here

[@jameshunterford4099]

@@JayEmmOnCars I think all of your content is great and very varied, but I have my favourites. My top 3 being Porsche, Mercedes and anything unusual or classic. This is followed very closely by all of the other content. I really liked the section with the guy on the small motorcycle and what you said about in the past that being you dreaming of being the guy in the 911 driving behind you and of course now you are and much more. Really quite inspiring and a great achievement. Anyway, great content and many thanks to you.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@jameshunterford4099 my absolute pleasure

[@rag133]

I love my 997.1 TT Cabrio. Bought it in March of 21, put on 4000 miles so far, the only $ I put into it was inspection and oil change. It has been awesome to drive, head turner, and so far as reliable as ever.

[@apostolis2939]

For a wacky six cylinder suggestion here is one, the jeep/amc straight six on older cherokees and wrangles, legendary engine that definitely doesn't overlap with anything else you have. Otherwise an infiniti/ jdm nissan saloon with a vq i think you would rather enjoy, or something with a vr6 maybe....

[@amcheung10]

Great video review as always! Also, like how the guy on the bike at 15:03 waved

[@I999-g2s]

My buddy has a 997 Turbo (standard) and has never had any issues keeping up with me in my 991.2 GT3, even when I drive the nuts off it.

[@eagle_and_the_dragon]

Ben Collins likes the Turbo Gen 2. Stig approval definitely gives it some brownie points!

[@jonfrench7133]

Feel exactly the same about a 911, one day, but not now, i will be back in one. Not a bloated 992, maybe a 991 or more likely a low mileage 997. Great review that really captures the joy of what driving a porsche is about

[@987stories]

Was the chap at 15:03 waiving, or was it another friendly gesture? Great video JE, enjoyed the anecdote about your fathers 997 collection.

[@EvoraGT430]

If you're in a Porsche, probably not friendly at all.

[@n0cturnalgamer]

I picked up my 458 just by christmas mate. Absolutely chuffed to bits. I just keep staring at it sat in the garage waiting for good weather.

[@sp00ky1969]

I’d still have my 964 over that, despite it being a superb car. The looks, sound, smell and driving experience in the 964 are quite special. My previous 991.2 GTS never did much for me on the road, although it was excellent on the track. I think the 964 is worth the asking price, even at current levels.

[@normski2982]

Agreed

[@johnsnowdon2939]

Absolutely agreed :-)

[@SuperShutter123]

Great episode, great channel and even better cars!!

[@benpenagonzales6014]

I have to say I agree. The usability of cars like the turbo, is better than the GT cars. I get the GT4RS is a track monster so the GT3 and GT4 has to be better on the road - I want the suspension to bounce more than me in my seat!

[@amospizzey1]

I had a gen 2 997 PDK turbo with a Sharkwerks Exhaust and tune for 2 years as a daily . I’ve owned a few 911’s I liked it but didn’t love it as I found it very fast but a little distanced in involvement for fast road and track driving . Still a beautiful car .

[@Tential1]

Amazing title. I gotta learn to do this.

[@alangil40]

Two years ago I "settled" on a 997.2 Carrera S manual with a nice specification including full leather interior with contrast stitching and some other nice options. I thought I would try the 997.2 CS and then see if I wanted to "upgrade" to a 997.1 Turbo (though it would be a PCM downgrade). Living in Colorado, the difference in power between the forced induction Turbo and the NA Carrera is amplified a lot. Well since then the prices of 997.1 Turbos have gone sky high, so that dream is over for a while at least. Good Luck finding one at a reasonable price now. I am talking doubled from $65k to $70k (US) for about 40k miles to well over $100k-$120k now. My 997.2 has gone up in value as well, but not near as much to keep up with the Turbo. Maybe sanity will return one day.

[@computerhelpcc]

In yours, you can still hear engine noises that are too muffled in the Turbo. The launch into hyperspace can easily overdraw your attention over the 911’s other virtues. Go spend your spare $ on tires, touring and track time where you can go over the handling limit and not wreck anything.

[@keithjackson4985]

Insane. I want one. I have to wait for a deal or I'm going to purchase a salvage vehicle? Don't worry, I am a patient man. I wish you success.

[@KerterBerger]

I lost 3 auctions because I thought 80k was a little high.. I am such a fool

[@keithjackson4985]

@@KerterBerger You're not a fool! You were testing the waters. You learned some things. Now, we both know. I will have one someday, and so will you.

[@christhomas835]

Love your channel! I just ate a bag of popcorn and a sleeve of Oreos so I'm ready to watch!

[@floorit4443]

997 turbo cabriolet with a manual is a bit of a gem. Looks fantastic with the top down.

[@chrismcfarlane8996]

Class videos. Keep it up. Great style an delivery.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks Chris

[@jeffreyb.1657]

People fit well in 911's....lots of helmet room....perfect seating position. Decent seats usually....gross steering wheel on that one (old alcantara)...needs a cleaning perhaps. The 996 turbo was great too... great video.

[@myguyvert1]

997.1 Turbo is a great all year round super car that you can use anywhere. Although a GT3 would probably feel more special in certain scenario's, try buying one, £20/30k more than an equiv. turbo, even if you manage to find one!

[@mikeleary6451]

I currently own a 2009 997 Turbo (6MT) Cabriolet. To say I love this car would be an understatement (3.5 years and counting). It is crazy to see the pricing for these now, especially in the U.S.

[@stephenagnew670]

Love your videos down here in Australia mate just wished I had your money to buy some of these great cars just bought a rs 300 megane which I luv but I do have my eyes on a porshe luv em good video again

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Cars are crazy expensive in Australia!

[@allomony4010]

@@JayEmmOnCars a 997.1 Manual Turbo in Australia would be about AU$200000. about UK 105000

[@stephenagnew670]

Yeah they are mate very tough

[@racekar80]

I am the second owner of a 997.1 C2S with 68000 miles, it’s at the point of needing a lot of suspension work, possibly water pump, and a few other bits. I wanted to trade it, and my GT4 for a 992 GT3 but it’s impossible to get an allocation even after purchasing 3 Porsches from them. And the prices are stupid. I am thinking now about keeping the GT4, and getting a turbo instead.

[@brettl88]

I had one of these, we modified it up to 650hp. What a machine!

[@mikebarnard2689]

GT3 and Turbo are so different and both so wonderful in their own ways. I have a 996 Mk1 GT3 Clubsport, narrow body and some suspension compliance, for me, perfect but I can def see the Turbo appeal.

[@jasonedwardblood]

We just got a 997.2 turbo 2012. Ive had a 2016 turbo and a 2019 turbo s. The 2012 is raw. Its the best ever. Money isn't a factor for me fortunately. I could have a 2025. Don't want that dentist car. This is my best car since my ferrari 599 gto

[@rt2000pilot]

Just waiting for winter to end so I can drive mine. Scored mine in june 2020, 28,000 miles.

[@shaikymandel7593]

Jay you rock! Keep it up, I always enjoy the way you analyze cars with the market and what it’s good for.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks!

[@stevewhite9653]

The quality of your work James is going from strength to strength.

[@sportzntouring]

Love the factory collection story. That was really heart warming 😊

[@tom221263]

Have one myself as convertible. Also 2008. lot of fun 😊

[@franki68]

I had one of these ,good but I preferred the 997 c2s to it . Funnily enough I changed into a manual v8 r8 which I also preferred .

[@Hunter-ty6xr]

this channel is underated

[@sterlingsilver320]

Crazy how in the UK this is an £80k car. Over here in the US, prices for any 911 have gone absolutely insane. A lower mileage (sup 40k) black, manual, Turbo with those buckets would be knocking on the door of an asking price of $180k. It’s unbelievable.

[@kingy23king17]

I was meaning to buy this very Porsche. I called up the dealer to inspect but it had sold already. I knew i would have bought it just from the pics!!

[@adamcollins558]

Hi James I have 2005 997.1 your welcome to drive, it's an Atlanta Grey C2S in manual with a reasonable spec and is my daily hack. I am in Oxfordshire

[@ajcball]

Like many people on this list I also have a 997.1 c2s, black, sunroof, lobsters, aftermarket switchable exhaust. Based in Essex. Would be great to have it on the channel, tho I may feel bad about the small scratch on the door 😂 (thanks Sainsbury's delivery).

[@leesampson5902]

Hello James great video once again, We have a 997.1 C2S if fancy a spin, we are in Cornwall, if you fancy it 😀

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I think I'm sorted but thankyou!

[@leesampson5902]

@@JayEmmOnCars No problem you are welcome any time. Cheers

[@munnsey]

997.1 Turbo are great but if happen to be unlucky they can be a killer with repair costs, The variable vane turbocharger replacement cost is huge. And there is the spun camshaft fault issue, and the coolant pipes pinning. The later 997.2 with the 3.8 engine is a safer buy.

[@thisnameistoolong9169]

Something about a filthy 911 brings joy to my heart, shows it's being used as intended

[@tomhegedosh5487]

Really cool to see you finally review one. It's an amazing platform. I've managed a 0-60mph time of 2.45 seconds with it on the street surface, which is enough to keep up with even today's gasoline powered supercars.

[@castroorstad8215]

Hp?

[@tomhegedosh5487]

@@castroorstad8215 850whp on the record run

[@pookachu64]

@@tomhegedosh5487 lol

[@tomhegedosh5487]

@@pookachu64 2.65 when it was stock motor and 700whp

[@R-Tap]

I bloody love a 997 Turbo, those turbo wheels are still cool 15 years later.

[@JK-AUTO]

Loving the content! A Porsche would definitely be in my garage next to my E55 AMG.

[@nightdriver7216]

It's ridiculous how underrated the Turbo is nowadays. Back in the day it was the flagship, the car Porsche would promote... Carrera RS was rare and GT3 was only beginning. I guess it never recovered from the GT-R thing, especially when Porsche found out downforce and semislicks helped more at the Nurburgring than speed.

[@jimsteinway695]

I started in a 993 TT since then I’ve only had GT3s 996, 997 and now a 991.2 GT3. While I would like to order a 992 turbo eventually the depreciation bug hits the turbo while the GT3 seems to be untouched

[@AK-zt8vo]

I've had my 997 turbo for 6 years as a daily driver . Still can't get around changing it. I think my next move will be a 991 Carrera 4 GTS, why, because I don't think anything in the 991 range has the same experience as the 997 turbo. It has it all tbh..

[@qwerty69600]

Jay, you not considered a Cayster GTS to satisfy your 6 cylinder requirement? I've recently bought a 981GTS and the engine is absolutely glorious. Glorious to the point it's actually put me off buying any 911 older than a 991.2, as I think, well what's the point? Similar engine in much thirstier config, in a much heavier car...

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Boxster 981 certainly appeals, as to be honest does 987!

[@qwerty69600]

@@JayEmmOnCars Agreed 100%. That'd what I started out looking at. However, with access to far fewer cars, I just wanted something a little more modern and a little more aesthetically to my tastes, but everything else was awesome.

[@jamsxr]

Grrrrr. I was looking at these this morning. Now I want one even more.

[@flat6fever680]

The key takeaway was the 981 S or more specifically 981 Spyder that left the 997 GT3 for dead on the track. My 981 S will destroy my C2S but my Boss 302 Laguna Seca is in a league of it own compared to either. It guess it really depends on how much of an experience you want when you drive.

[@robt8620]

I sold my GT Silver Turbo manual a few years ago because i really wanted a aircooled 911 again, so i bought a 964 Anniversary in Polar silver. I wasnt a big fan of the gearbox in my turbo, felt it was a bit notchy. the seats on this turbo look better than my regular turbo seats.I have yet to try a 997 GT3 3,8, my last GT3 experience was my 996 gt3 cs 1st gen. An amazing car , my only experience with a 991 is as a passenger in my friends convertible carrera.. so underwelming i declined when asked if i wanted to drive it.

[@sassall4284]

I often agree with you Jay and I hear what ya saying but I’d definitely take any GT3 any day of the week over any turbo 911 or even a CS

[@philburke3652]

Excellent review

[@DwainDwight]

Agree, a friend has one. top car for the dosh.

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

Just bought a 997.1 C2S X51 Man box, PCCB … it’s ok 👍. Still not an airhead. Up in Scotland R2, give you a spin next time your up!

[@daveyator]

I have a 991.2 GTS Cabrio. My first Porsche was a 996 C2 Cabrio. I also had a 718 4 cylinder boxster (always forget if it's a 982). Mixed in there were 2 Ferraris, a 360 and F430 both spiders. I miss the driving experience of the Ferraris but mine were maintenance nightmares. Unfortunately I can only have one of these things at a time (1st world problem). My wife points out that I drive the GTS considerably more than any of the other sports cars I've had. But I still pine for my F430 until I remember the nearly constant flow of money it needed. Still trying to find that perfect car with Ferrari experience and Porsche preciseness and reliability.

[@getdealtwithquick]

Do you like the 991 chassis better than the 718?? Have you tried a 718 4 liter?

[@daveyator]

@@getdealtwithquick Thats a hard choice. I have to say I might lean toward the 718 from a pure handling standpoint. But the basic reason I got the 911 was more power. I've never driven the 4 liter.

[@getdealtwithquick]

@@daveyator The turbo charged Carreras are wicked fast. I drove a base Carrera 992 back to back with a GT4 for a week and the former out-accelerates the latter noticeably (torque). That said, the 992 truly is a GT car and I would only own one if I'd be doing big miles on German Autobahns, regularly. I found the size of the 718 just right for a sports car and the 4L exciting enough, it just needs an exhaust. It won't get you the F430s V8 spectacle but I personally would struggle with all the unwanted attention tbh. Almost certain the Boxter in non Spyder guise is my ideal toy but I'm looking 997s or 991s because I have 2 little kids and little opportunity to driven an open 2 seater at this point. It'd just sit too much.

[@eze8970]

Thanks J!

[@jholmes_]

I'm in the same predicament, have a track prepped turbo GT86, GR Yaris and really don't know what to choose next in the 50-80k bracket.

[@SteveBratt]

Hi James I have a 997.1 C2S you can drive. I'm in Cheshire. It's really clean and original with a factory fitted aero kit It's Silver Manual Sports chrono Sports exhaust Aero kit Extended leather Sports seats 68000 miles Close to the peak District for some corner fun

[@daveandhisdogs]

Jay half the 6 and buy a GR Yaris. I’ve just bought one. 1000 in now and wow. Best car I’ve driven in a long time

[@johna374]

I have a 997.2 turbo 2012 pdk perfect car.

[@oliverradcliffe7974]

I'd love to see you in a 997.1 c2, just to see your thoughts vs c2s.

[@apostolis2939]

The question is this (997.1 manual), a 997.2 turbo manual or a 997.2 turbo s (which are pdk only) The first has the Mezger engine with it's motorsport heritage and durability (especialy for tuning) The second has a more ordinary engine but it's more modern and sharper (they didn't want to be slower than the new gtr anymore) And the third one is pdk only which is still a very fast gearbox (not the greatest anymore but still) and you can do the handbreak trick and turn it into a rwd car, so you have kind of a budget gt2 without the manual.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I'd go 997.1 manual

[@39PSIOnTheDaily]

You know what other cars have an amazing 6 cylinder? Acura NSX NA1. Nissan Skyline GT-R. Toyota Supra JZA80.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

All good shouts

[@ChrisKeirRacing]

Nice video, can I ask who you use to insure your cars? I have a small collection and I'm struggling to insure them!

[@RUfromthe40s]

i also agree ,my back are not enough good to the gt3 and the 997 turbo allthough some contested the car when it came out ,it grew up on porshe enthusiasts , i also trashed the new model at the time and the last i bought was a carrera4 ,only paid 7.000€ from a woman that spent a fortune in restoring it after driving it for more than 10 years in the desert of Egipt ,she said that it wasn´t bad as the 4x4 vehicules of those years ,this refering to the 10 years work she had in Egypt and driving off road everyday , i drove it when she returned and ended up keeping it when she told she was going to buy other more confortable

[@deltauljCustoms]

Nice!

[@kristianspencer1978]

The 997 turbo is second best after the 993 turbo. Well worth the money. 200k for a nice 993.

[@jakob9292]

Idk, I'd rather have a 997 gt3 or an rs, sure the turbo will be faster and also cheaper, but the gt3 would just be more fun and enjoyable, and it's also more of a driver's car to begin with since it's only optioned with a manual, no automatic was available for the 996 or 997 gt3 gens. But for the price, a 991 gt3 is actually the best option, they're around 140k with 30kish miles

[@iluvcakes19]

997.1 GT3 and Turbo prices are similar from what I've seen. RS prices are through the roof! That being said, if it were a 997.2, I take the GT3. For 997.1 --> Turbo.

[@alexcox7204]

Did you do a video on the different GT versions and which to buy vs which over priced? I was interested in understanding 991.1 GT3 vs 997 version and what quantities they made the different version in … are there any you think you could own for a few years and not get decimated by depreciation (obviously no crystal ball!)

[@sagetheowlfatfeathery2083]

I had one. Once you get over how fast they are (very, very) you'll get bored. It feels like driving an extremely quick Golf. I swapped it out for a Maserati Granturismo after 2 years ownership. By every objective measure a much worse car, but I kept it for 7 years.