5 Reasons I SOLD My 997 Porsche 911 Turbo...and Why I'll Only Buy Air Cooled 911’s From Here On Out

The 997 Porsche 911 Turbo in manual has always been a bucket list car for me to own, yet I sold mine less than a year after buying it. What gives?
Well, watch this video and you'll find out. While there’s so much to be impressed by with the 997 Porsche 911 Turbo, especially a coupe in manual, there are also some real downsides to this car that got in the way of my really being able to enjoy the ownership experience.
Frankly, it just really didn't deliver, and as a result I sold my Guards Red 997 Porsche 911 Turbo in 6 speed manual inside of 6 months...at a financial loss!
So, want to learn more? Check out this video and you’ll learn:
- Why I bought a 997 Porsche 911 turbo
- What I thought of the manual transmission in this 07 911 turbo
- Whether the legendary Metzger engine in the 997 turbo is truly as bulletproof as its reputed to be
- Why a low mileage garage queen Porsche 911 turbo was a mistake for me to own
- Why I prefer air cooled Porsches over the 997.1 generation of the turbo
- Why I won’t own another water cooled Porsche 911
- What I’m thinking about buying to replace the Turbo
Please give this video a thumbs up, subscribe and comment.
0:00 Start
1:35 Reason #1 I sold my 997.1 Porsche 911 turbo
3:11 Reason #2 I sold my 911 Turbo
4:15 Reason #3 I sold my 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo
7:26 The 4th reason I sold the 997.1 turbo in 6MT
8:32 Reason #5 I sold my 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo
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About My Channel:
Rennthusiast (formerly Bavarian Enthusiast TV) is for the most part a Porsche 911 channel centering on experiencing air cooled Porsches, but will also feature other vintage, analog vehicles I add to the collection. The channel is the result of my deep passion for air cooled Porsches, my interest in the air cooled Porsche community, my obsession with modding, improving, buying and selling cars in general and my desire to put myself out there on KZbin and share these passions with other enthusiasts.
Porsches I currently own or have owned:
1995 Porsche 911 993 Coupe in polar silver
1986 Porsche 911 Carrera in guards red
2007 Porsche 911 997.1 Turbo in guards red (SOLD)
2009 Porsche 911 997.2 C4S PDK (SOLD)
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[@truthserum9456]

This was probably the most honest and intelligent KZbin video I have seen . I have owned 3 turbos and many other high performance csrs and could easily relate to everything that you said. Kudos to you for honesty.

[@iOnline72]

20 years from now a man will be telling us the same thing while comparing the then current model to this 2007 911 Turbo

[@js002003]

correct. maybe 10 years from now though!

[@lindamorgan7886]

electric only...

[@nightdriver7216]

The 997.1 are the last cars available in manual, so they'll get enough attention because of that. But it's also the last gen not to exist under the shade of the GT cars. The Porsche fandom changed too much IMO. When I was a teen, the Turbo was the pinnacle, the car to aim for. Now it's the GT3 RS. And this has extended to the appreciation of historical cars. We see the Carrera RS models being "rediscovered" while even the celebrated 993 Turbo is ignored. I like to see Porsche bringing back the 964/993 Carrera RS models to the spotlight, but not at the expense of the Turbos, some of which even more special. Strange times to live in.

[@scottsanders2641]

@@nightdriver7216 Yep, I have an ‘08 997.1 C4S manual w 29k miles. Not sure if I should drive the hell out of it or not since it may be worth more than I paid in 5 years

[@sunnohh]

@@nightdriver7216 Turbo is the rocket ship, RS was for the track, I knew that even when I grew up in the 90s… all porsches are just way more popular now than then

[@timholt8369]

I've sold over 120 997.1 Turbos, 100+ 996 Turbos since 2001. Never saw a single one of these cars have the coolant pipes leaking or a spun cam. Some had 30K + miles. Does it happen? Yes. Do GT2's , GT3's and Turbos' all with Mezger motors occasionally have a coolant line partially separate? Yes. Do they all fail? Absolutely not. Do shops love to scare the shit out of owners? Yes.

[@Rennthusiast]

All fair points and I can’t argue with your experience. That said, I have a friend who was driving his 997.1 turbo in the mountains and the coolant lines let loose, spilling coolant under the rear wheels. He lost traction but nothing serious. Car was towed out, obviously.

[@brianhimmelman420]

well said

[@detonator2112]

My friend had a 992 for over a year. He also has a 993 C4. He sold his 992 and bought another air cooled 1982 G-model 911 to keep his 993 company. Never looked back. These new ones are great cars and much faster than the old ones but they don't have the same feeling and atmosphere in them. They're just too good and digital. And they're BIG compared to old Porsches. It's like back in the day when everyone wanted a quartz watch because they're so accurate but eventually went back to less accurate mechanical watches because they have SOUL. That's what those old cars have. Technically they're not as good... and they lose in acceleration, top speed, everything... but not everything is measured by numbers.

[@rw1592]

I bought a new 992 4s convertible in 2020 bit the loss and gave it back to the dealer 5 months later to replace it with a predecessor 911 convertible, the 991.2 with rear wheel drive and manual. For exactly the reasons you summarise. The 992 could wear a AMG, M, Aston whatever batch, it is one of these modern cars which tick all the right boxes, except the emotional ones.

[@charlybilloir9048]

Totally agree

[@christophercolumbus8944]

what do you thin of a carrera 4s ? ?

[@valdurmagi230]

And also, I don't really like the doors on the new 911s. I like doors with a frame around the glass.

[@doctortruth4094]

This is a classic example of wanting a car that is slow enough to be fun.

[@tedjohnson64]

Nice video. Jay Leno (on a recent Jay Leno’s Garage episode) said modern cars rev too fast. He likes the sound cars make when... they’re climbing the rev range, but with modern sports cars (especially with automatics and DCT), the revs climb so fast, shift so fast, and have so many gears it’s like “zip! zip! zip! Now you’re in jail.”

[@Rennthusiast]

Couldn’t agree more

[@AshS85]

So if you want a lot of noise and no go, just buy a v8 mustang

[@joetaylor1089]

@@AshS85 Pretty debatable, but they are definitely an option worth pondering. And there is a similar story with newer models producing around 500 plus hp and the older being classics that are desirable.

[@marioashford2057]

I'm crazy and I want everything to be difficult. How does this sound to someone who isn't crazy! The latest 911s are supposed to be fast and the future is supposed to be easier.

[@nightdriver7216]

Surprised Jay said this. I actually agree with him. But I'm not sure we should wish for new cars to be like the old ones. Companies have different priorities. I know a lot of people sing the praises of aircooled Porsches, with reason, because their sound is inimitable and better IMO. But I don't see as many talking about how much better the old Lambos up to the Diablo sound compared to the Audi era cars. The Countach will forever remain the best sounding Lambo V12, especially the carbed quattrovalvole cars. There's no amount of artistry Reggiani can add to his cars' exhaust to change this fact. I'm not sure I'd want to deal with a Countach, though! The Aventador is far more convenient.

[@royramdeen8864]

Spun crankshaft is the first I heard of. I think people just make too much of these issues, same with the IMS. The percentage of failues are minimal. Great vlog.

[@cjh33023]

I would beg to differ, I had a 2007 997TT and I had failures on both camshafts and the coolant lines blew on me 1 hour after owning the car it was a mess.

[@sutherlacd27]

Camshafts need pinned occasionally. Not common though

[@danielgray3868]

Right? Never heard of this issue

[@ramontapanes1631]

I have the same car and it's always hard to explain to people why I don't drive it as much as my others. You hit the nail right on the head with this video. Now I don't feel like I'm the only one. "For me" great video!

[@crossroadz483]

I did a similar thing with a 997.1 GT3 for which I paid near the top of the market for a beautiful car. I promptly sold it when I realized that I have to track it to drive it as it was designed to drive. However, I then went in a different direction. Instead of going air-cooled, I went to the Boxster platform. I owned a '96 993 for 10 years and since these cars are now 25 years old, they really need a thorough mechanical refurbishment including a top end job on the engine and a suspension refresh. I was probably looking at $30000 or more which is more than I wanted to spend. I originally did not consider a Boxster as I was a bit of a 911 snob. But I have found to really love the Boxster. They are around the same size as a 993 and fly under the radar like the air cooled cars did 20 years ago. I now have a 2011 987 Boxster Spyder which I really enjoy. At this point I would consider adding a modern 911 (thinking 992) but not replacing the Boxster.

[@detonator2112]

@Crossroadz: I just recently drove an early Boxter and what a fun car it was. Absolute joy to drive. And you can get those early one for almst 1/10 of mint air cooled 911 prices. Those are super bargains (for now).

[@scottsanders2641]

I love my ‘08 997.1 Engine issues were sorted out by ‘07 and w 355 HP it’s plenty quick and reliable Don’t mind putting miles on it since it not a GT 3 or Turbo

[@maverics2143]

Good discussion, and a lot of good points made. How you described your 993, as your forever car that you've formed a bond with, is how I feel about my 996tt.. That's why Porsche is an awesome brand- even though they offer fewer models than other car manufacturers, they've manage to create a diverse product portfolio where they offer something for everyone!

[@999NINE99]

Totally makes sense that you sold it. Anxiety over breakdowns and speeding tickets is no fun.

[@NathanDean79]

The 997 are the best looking Porsche by far. Followed by the 993. The 997 is perfect. Not too big not too small and water cooled is a big plus because it’s a more powerful and efficient engine. I like the naturally aspirated variety. The 3.8 liter with 385 HP is absolutely perfect engine.

[@stevensel]

Very thoughtful comments, I’m on my 4th 911, 996 thru 991.1 and am currently working on getting a 992. Never had the opportunity to own an air cooled one. But I certainly can appreciate the visceral response of driving a more responsive vehicle! How ever many of us are into cruising around!

[@davonpointer2310]

All your thoughts are valid, ultimately you have to bond with a car! Looking forward to seeing the 993!

[@NSXavier997]

09:47 - 100% FACTS. That’s why I love my 997 Turbo. The bond with the car.

[@danielsonscott3038]

I own the same car, 997.1 Turbo and just love it, never get tired of looking at it, not to tell that this model can keep up with today's sports cars up front with no problem, the heritage of the Porsche Turbo will stand for ever!

[@sao9995]

I totally dig this 911 channel. Good, solid, meaningful monologue with the most awesome car-tography. Really, great camera work on all your vids!

[@TerryManitoba]

6 years ago I was looking at a 997 turbo. (I already owned my 993). Of course, it was blisteringly fast. My dealer let me have it for the weekend (right - was he crazy) so I took it. I liking it but with the AWD it just felt not playful enough. I returned it and asked to drive any of their 2 wheel drive 911s and after 2 miles I knew I did not want an AWD 911. Ended up buying a 07 GT3 - took the long way back from Toronto (4k miles). Still own and love both. Great Channel Great content.

[@PaulLukeBonenfant]

“Maybe a 996” 🧐😏 All I’m saying is 3.4 Carrera has a ~cable throttle~ and is going up in value enough that a midrange example can be driven for free for years to come

[@2702simmo]

💯 And probably more of an old school experience like the air cooled I love my 98 cable throttle no traction control 996 Carrera

[@edwardapostolides5360]

You articulated very well but even though I'm not an air cool fan I completely understand where your coming from. Thank you as well for sharing your content, it's really appreciated.

[@OliverHoffmannDesign]

I really appreciate your insights into this- I recently drove a Cayman GTS at PEC Atlanta and had a similar experience: it's a fantastic car that would probably get me in trouble on the street because it's relatively bland at low speeds. As cars get continually heavier and more powerful, it will be the lighter sportscars of the past that we treasure the most.

[@checkmate1996]

I have 2015 981S manual 6 speed NA. 330HP for the street is a sweet spot and it performed great on the track. Fast enough to get in out of the corners but not so powerful you lose control.

[@fabulousfab5287]

I wouldn't be able to connect with a Turbo never being allowed to pass 70 mph, either! Cheers from Germany!

[@eyesurgeon69]

That's why I enjoy my 981 2.7, which has about the same power as your 993. Enough to be fun and still keep your license.

[@homefink2235]

Thanks for your vid. I could totally understand what you have mentioned. I drive a 996 turbo wls. I always have to hold myself under control not to drive to fast. The punch when the turbo delivers the power, oh man. My 964 targa gives me much more connection to the spirit of driving 911. Looking forward to your hunt of the next Porsche.

[@detonator2112]

There's no comparison. The old air cooled cars are just superior in every possible way. Sure the new cars are faster and have better track times. But a fat ugly feminist can potentially also cook much better food than a hot supermodel who feels great in bed. I know which one I'd choose. Haha.

[@marklawrence6433]

A great honest and heartfelt opinion. Made me think again about going the Turbo route. For you a 996 would give you the benefit of driving Air cooled one day and Water cooled the next...heaven !

[@svant]

Just got my first Porsche and still in the honeymoon period with a 992 Turbo. Not much past experience to make comparisons but definitely getting that driving buzz.

[@davidking8255]

Really interesting video. I have a 79 sc Targa that I have owned since 81 and purchased a 2003 996 Turbo last year. I had expected to fall in love with the Turbo, sell the SC and never look back, but they are so different that i'm keeping both for now. The day to day usability of the old car makes it easier to hop in and drive without worries. In the turbo, I find myself waiting to find safe spots for a few stolen seconds of "oh my god, this thing is fast" on boost acceleration, Vs. being able to wind the Targa out, without constant fear of blue lights or upsetting my fellow drivers. The Turbo can be driven in a docile fashion, but the constant temptation is there, as is a slight disappointment if the drive does not have an adrenaline rush. The urge to always get that rush (and the associated anxiety) may diminish with more miles, but pushing a sub 200 HP car hard does have its charms. My thinking is that the Turbo will be an incredible HPDE track car and mine is high enough miles (pinned coolant lines) to not worry about the investment side of things and much safer on the track than a car that is pushing past 40 years old.

[@john_dee1431]

Really good breakdown on what draws us to cars in the first place.

[@ksteak27]

Paid $15,500 for my 2004 996 C2 cab over 2 years ago. Having a total blast with it! No problems whatsoever. Not turbo fast but it makes me plenty happy. Maybe that will change one day, but the point of any Porsche is to own it, drive it, and love it! I appreciate this video. I think the 996's are really the last great visceral 911 made.

[@swaller07]

Yep. I have a 03 Cab and I love it.... Just enough and if your hitting twisty roads its GOLD. Im torn between a newer 991.2 but I cant part with my 996 and having 2 911's is not going to pass the smell test with my wife.

[@ksteak27]

@@swaller07 Give her the 996 and then OBVIOUSLY you need a new car. :)

[@scottsanders2641]

Almost got a 996 but found a low mileage 1 owner 997 c4s and had to pull the trigger. 355 NA Hp is more than enough to get me in trouble lol…

[@ksteak27]

@@scottsanders2641 love the wideness of the C4S - congrats on that find!

[@jonasrehn9883]

The too fast reason you brought up is why I love the 944, the Miata of its time.

[@roninsc]

Another great content video. Well thought out and presented. Looking forward to seeing the roll out of your 993.

[@Rennthusiast]

I get the 993 week after next. Will likely take a few weeks to put together a cohesive video on it, so stay tuned.

[@rennaissance911]

A buddy of mine linked me to your video because I went through this almost a decade ago. I sold my 2008 997.1tt because I never felt connected to it. Exhilarating? Yes... In the same way a good Rollercoaster ride can be, but once I leave the theme park I'm not necessarily planning my next visit right away. I own an X51 equipped 40 Jahre 911 that brings me all the emotions I was lacking during my Turbo ownership. Thank you for sharing (and perfectly articulating) your experience! Helped me realize it isn't just me...!

[@DJBobbyChicago]

All good reasons! I’ll pass my 996 turbo down when I die over ever selling it. I have a hard time going more than 2-3 days without driving it. 996tt is MY niche. I want another one. I think you’re nailing down your niche, too. Isn’t that fun?

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

had 996TT sold it few years ago. I did huge mistake because I should traded in my 996TT for 997TT manual - now prices are crazy! I keep my R35 GTR and add 997TT one day...maybe!

[@tserzz]

Hi Jon, thanks for another vid so honest, heart and soul. I had a brand new 997 but for some reason I wanted something of the old character and grit with the new more taut solid driving experience. I actually was slowly being drawn to the 996 the best of the old and new in one. I love the Le Mans design plus the raw porsche styling. It just didn't feel like the jelly mould modern cars nowdays. I connected so much more with the 996, it has soul, there's just something about them. The 996 designer was a genius, they really are awesome and stunning and yet they still have that raw porsche look and drive, as a road urban icon. The 996 you do connect well, it has that something. I do get where your coming from looking at older cars. The 996 porsche is the best of both worlds a great Porsche indeed.

[@randymcclanahan5087]

I really appreciated these comments. After watching, I lowered the top on my 981 Boxter S (manual of course) and took a spirited but leisurely drive. I don't have to break the law to enjoy my Porsches. (I have had seven, and am expecting another in October.) I also really like the idea of only buying cars that I will use. It's just who I am. A driver, not a collector. You have given us a lot to think about with your honesty! Thanks!

[@stranobikes]

What a refreshingly good honest video. Top marks :)

[@pauldarby1815]

That's why i have a 2009 997.2 C2S PDK & Sport Plus is more than enough for the public roads but in Standard or Sport Mode it is simply the most worthwhile car for any occasion. Every mile is a Smile :-)

[@hiltonhoward7285]

Appreciate the overview. Totally agree regarding having a spotty “driving record” and having a turbo. #lessonlearned

[@JeffKgn1]

Another great video. Really appreciate the candor. I could not agree more with the power/speed factor. Manufacturers keep making cars more and more powerful and there is nowhere on public roads that you can enjoy it. I had a very fast car 10 yrs ago and got 6 pts on my license in 18 mos. Finally worked them off and not going down that path again. Like you, I'd rather work for the speed

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks. Not always easy to jump in front of a camera and lay it out there so I am glad it landed with you. Thanks for watching.

[@pye007]

Crazy to sell it. Of course its FAST. That's why you buy one. Worrying about things that might go wrong is daft - bulletproof Mezger engine, I've had my modified 996 turbo for 7 yrs without an issue. I think you need a 997 GT3!

[@pye007]

Previously I've had two air cooled 911's. Been driving Porsches for 45 yrs! They are more fun and more involving, but for the pure adrenaline rush of speed and safe handling you cant beat the modern turbo. Mod it up and you can make it a more involving and exciting drive. I'll get a 997 GT3 in the next few yrs, but its not ideal, as a daily driver in town!

[@MTLJack]

I absolutely love my 996 turbo. I can just stare whole day by doing nothing. It doesn’t have the luxury and sound isolation of the 997. The 996 turbo is loudddd and I have stock exhaust hahaha! You can hear all the mechanical noises in the car !! Thank you for sharing your experience on the 997!

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏽

[@howardweir3112]

Well presented and reasoned. I have a 2009 Turbo cab manual that it is far and away the best of the 4 Porsches I have owned. But my 1993 RS America was a lot more fun to drive. My 997 Turbo which I have had tuned to increase the HP is too much car for me to truly enjoy since I am not tracking it. Nonetheless I think I will keep it a while longer.

[@jeffarcher400]

You want the best. You know what it is. Then when you get it you realize half the fun was having something you don't worry about. As I looked down at my old 911 from the top of the mountain I realized that it didn't belong left all alone in the wild. I kept her going through rain,snow with tire chains, going to Mexico, letting friends learn to drive stick,dirt roads to camping and salty fog surf mornings. Maybe she should be in a museum,safe. Just one more mountain road...and a track day.

[@rongreen8485]

I've owned 3 Porsches, 71 914, 79 SC, 99 996. I enjoy driving all of these cars, the best driver is the 996 in my opinion. I've been a mechanic 42 years do my own maintenance and knock on wood all 3 cars drove them no problems. Sold them for a little more than I bought them. Blessed to have the opportunity to experience the ultimate driving machine.

[@Frdtsl]

Do you like the 997s?

[@paulrobinson272]

Air cooled sound so good: not a huge car (as later 911’s are) and just a lovely drive

[@philbert9967]

You just didn’t connect with the Turbo. It happens. I suggest an early build 996 C2 next. The only analog water cooled 911 👍

[@Bmwguy2011]

Have you compared the 996 turbo 6mt to the 996 c2 6mt? I’ve heard great things about both.

[@2702simmo]

Was going to post the same thing A 996 c2 like mine would be more like the air cooled experience

[@stevek913]

Really glad I tuned into this story. I have a really nice 85 coupe and have given thought to 997 Turbo or 4S. In the end, what I have ( all original paint, interior, 64k miles) is tough to replace and a very fun ride. As always, thanks for your insight and sharing your stories.

[@detonator2112]

@Steve K: Never sell your 1985 coupe. Never ever. Those air cooled will always be super desirable compared to anything else.

[@PauloSantos-rm1mt]

Same happened to me. Bought a 997 Carrera S, had the same thoughts as you, sold it, now I am about to move to 993 Carrera S, my final Porsche. Just love the old spirit, the purity of driving, the old school, the pristine sound etc etc

[@neilfisher7999]

I understand where you are coming from. Having a lot of money invested in a car that is so nice you're afraid to drive it is a dilemma. Porsches are made to be driven, and I think the lesser expensive ones that aren't necessarily perfect are more fun because you really enjoy the driving experience. I can also understand having a car that is too fast. That can get you into trouble. I would recommend, if you do get another non air cooled car, get a Boxster or Cayman. Totally different driving experience with the mid engine, but I find they are incredibly fun and far less expensive. The other thing is, they are smaller in size more like an older 911. The new 911 has gotten so big it has lost a lot of charm the earlier cars have.

[@Mingstroem]

I can 100% follow your thoughts. Good decision. I‘m interessted what will come next. Grettings from Porsches home base Germany.

[@brendanodonnell6419]

You nailed the video brother! Thanks for sharing the experience. The things I fear in ownership is exactly what you covered. I too look to the air cooled versions...connected driving. Your wrap up statement focusing on “sorted” is also spot on.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for the support and for watching. Glad you liked it. This video has generated some really mixed reactions out there. Most tend to see where I’m coming from but some think I’m crazy to make the points I make and also for having sold the car.

[@brendanodonnell6419]

@@Rennthusiast to each his own. I think the transition to water cooled created a real divide in the 911 community, with many of the water cooled only having that experience. That said, usable hp, which you covered, is a real conversation. But I also think you hitting the high end vs drivers car was a fair comment, and your 997 experience may have been different had you simply had a baseline car. But the new 911s, as amazing as they seem, seem to have too much technology in them, and how Porsche’s use to be made vs where they are now has again created that divide. I have to wait for this market to temper - I want in on the G50 911s from the late 80s but that market is nuts. And the 4 speed 930 - I’m just not willing to pay for the admission but you have to have dreams that seem unattainable. You drive harder to get them.

[@Rennthusiast]

Agree on all fronts. I had the unique experience opportunity recently to drive a new GT3, GT4 and GT3 RS back to back. All cool cars and definitely fun to hammer on but I wouldn’t own any of them. They just don’t make you work hard and they’re also guaranteed to get you a ticket. Actually, let me take that back. The GT4 (manual example vs PDK’s in the others) was more involving and could be enjoyed within legal speed limits.

[@paulmcdonald9592]

I appreciate your insight and sincerity about the ownership experience. Late model Turbos are built to overload your senses, peace of mind, and pocket book for the regular human enthusiast. I love my 20 year owned 87 Blk Coupe. Champagne interior to boot!

[@laiebi_3639]

996 turbo is my favorite, love the look, to each their own 😎👍

[@JustinLee993]

Maybe not immediately, but I think you can give watercool another try via a base Carrera or Carrera S

[@tomhegedosh5487]

The coolant pipes failing is a LOT more often than spun camshafts. Both repairs cost about $3500 to fix before they go bad for peace of mind, don't have to wait until they actually fail

[@andrewmorrell1262]

Great video - Thank you! I totally understand what you mean by ‘connecting’ with a car. Every time I drive my 997.1 C4S it just feels special. The only downside to your videos is that they make me want an air cooled car even more than I already did!!

[@Rennthusiast]

Lol thanks for watching

[@jonconnor2065]

What if Porsche went completely off the rails and built another air cooled porsche with today’s technology🤷🏻‍♂️

[@conorhughes4910]

I'm not sure your idea of today's technology is the same as the rest of us on this timeline.

[@dannynevada9880]

If money is not an issue you can jam everything from an Gt2rs into an G body! That would be cool!

[@mylifewithporsche]

One word - Singer

[@whymaniawhy]

It would look like a Singer, perhaps

[@allanlai_]

I sold mine too, it was a tip. I still do a double take every time I see one pass by, but I don’t really miss driving it. I replaced it with a manual 996 C2, which I had much more fun with. I recently got a 964 C2 manual, first aircooled model I’ve every owned. It’s such a visceral experience. I still love the 996, but 964 is on a different level.

[@Rennthusiast]

964 is the star right now. Congrats on owning one. I am kind of considering looking for one but they’re just so high and tough to find right now.

[@andrewdibben5319]

Awesome. Very insightful. Thank you.

[@BeePee1503]

Appreciate your candidness and your honest opinion. I agree with you in that modern 911s are a bit on the bland side when it comes to driving experience. I bought my first 911 (2011 C4S) 7 months ago as I wanted a 'safe' introduction to the marque. I am leaning towards an air-cooled one as my long term keeper. I have had Italian cars before and loved their unrefined, visceral feel though the ownership headaches (and unwanted attention) outweigh at some point.

[@adrianhurley3909]

TRUE....it's not how fast you go, but, how you GO fast! 🤗

[@justinshavolian4166]

do you think he was deep into the car financially? idk

[@fluffyassassin]

It's been a while since I was deep into anything so i say good luck to him 😂😂

[@y0057]

I can absolutely relate with you on all pointers. My brother and I had exactly same reasons for parting with ours. He had same 997 turbo when new I had the Carrera. He hated the lack of engagement as did I, he sold his promptly got a G- wagon amg 5.5, tried a Panamera Turbo again still did not like it sold at and now has a Brabus G- Wagon, sounds mean as hell, I sold my 997 cause I just did not gel with the car got my 993 and been happy every since. Both cars are keepers. So totally get you and good luck with your next purchase. 👍🏾

[@paulnajoan8522]

I really appreciate your perspective on getting a modern Turbo and your reasons for letting it go. I have a 1997 993 C2, and I am an air cooled Porsche guy through and through, but I have often considered getting a water-cooled Porsche to add to the stable, maybe even a Turbo. However, I was not sure how much I would enjoy it or even if I would. Your 5 reasons really gave me something to think about, especially regarding paying top dollar for a garage queen and how you like to use your cars. Thanks!

[@scottsanders2641]

I love my 08 C4s. Plenty fast but not ridiculously fast. Happy medium between the air cooled NA and water cooled Turbos

[@SF_Native]

So you paid top dollar for a car, but then didn't want to drive it often because it was 'too nice'? Then you stressed off things happening to it that didn't even happen yet? The coolant line issue tends to only happen when you run it hard on the track. ---- I recently picked up a 997 RS, low miles. I intend to drive it. A LOT. I could care less about resale value, rock chips, things that "could* happen or that's it's too nice to drive enough to enjoy it. That's why I bought it in the first place! To each their own.

[@Rennthusiast]

Correct. I intended to drive it some, but not as much, as my air cooled. This wasn’t the only reason, mind you, but a contributing one. If I loved it as much as I had hoped I would have driven the hell out of it but given that I was already thinking about exiting the car I couldn’t bring myself to put miles on it. On to the next one. The coolant lines on my friend’s 997.1 turbo failed catastrophically on a spirited mountain run. Not a drip, but a full failure. Scary stuff as he could have lost traction at speed when this happened. He had to be towed out. So, it can’t happen off the track also.

[@SF_Native]

@@Rennthusiast Understood. I just think cars meant to be driven. I'm not a glass case kind of guy. I also have a 996 that I drive hard, literally every time I'm in it. No IMS issues, still on the original one. Stressing off it will not change the fact whether or not a failiure will happen. It sounds like in your case you just enjoyed your air cooled 911s more being that they had high miles already it made you feel guilty about driving the 997 since it was a low mileage car. Either way, enjoy the 911s, old or new. Cheers mate.

[@Rennthusiast]

I don’t know that “guilt” is the right word. It’s more about devaluing a car I don’t love. The idea of parting with money on something that doesn’t bring me joy like my air cooled cars do. Make no mistake, I am a HUGE believer that these cars need to be driven and that what I’ll own from here on out: 911’s that I LOVE to drive. Even as I’m writing this I am clarifying my thinking that the turbo represented money (and the potential loss of money) vs my air cooled cars representing the joy I experience when I drive the hell out of them. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏼

[@SF_Native]

@@Rennthusiast you got it. Keep putting out the content. Looking forward to your 993 build.

[@Rennthusiast]

Think I'm insane for buying such a great car, then dumping it? Tell me in the comments!

[@allanlai_]

Forums are a double edged sword!

[@Rennthusiast]

You got that right 😄

[@cwaizmann]

I have owned a low mile 997 Turbo (09) for over 5 years. I paid a premium for likely one of the best examples out there. It's a special car to me and one that is really a blast to drive. While I don't put a lot of miles on her, I do enjoy it. My current stable is similar to yours: 1984 Carrera all stock, 1998 Carrera S all stock, 2007 911 GT3 and 2009 Turbo. I get your reasons for selling. I would seriously consider a 996 GT3. It's faster than most air cooled but also raw. A long nose hot rod is another great option and something I would like to eventually add if I had the room.

[@justinmckinlay]

@@Rennthusiast I’m on the cusp of making my first 911 purchase after 10 years of ownership in my mind! I appreciated the well-done video. I take my kids to that professional park to ride bikes all the time.

[@Rennthusiast]

Glad I could help. Thanks for watching the vid and for the feedback. 🙏🏽

[@erik_cruz]

Awesome Video! I love this kind of content. Looking forward to more!

[@PixelPusher1]

This is like when you're at a car meet and tryin to figure out what kind of car person someone is, your #4 and 5 are the kind of thing you hope to hear 👌

[@danihellz]

“Maybe a 996” 🤔

[@bigd5899]

Better not...

[@gerardov.9716]

Can't wait until you unveil that beautiful 993.

[@gwos999]

Thank you for this video ! I am getting my first 911 and I was deciding between a modern era 911 and a 1986 . I ended up picking the 1986 . I am picking it up tomorrow. So exited !

[@Rennthusiast]

You’re gonna love it. #aircooled4life

[@jefftudas3231]

The Porsche experience is an ongoing, personal journey. We like a lot of them, but some really speak to us. I had a beautiful, low mileage 996TT. I really liked the look and the quickness when the twin screws spooled up took your breath away. I decided, like you, that it could get away from you and really yearned for that NA, linear acceleration experience. My 95 C4 and the 18 GT3 Touring check the boxes for me.

[@matharris7673]

So agree with ALL your points why you sold the 997. Been there too! 😂

[@Rennthusiast]

Painful lessons but oh well. I can now say I owned one. In the meantime I have already started looking around at the classifieds. It’s a sickness 😄

[@godspeed6315]

@@Rennthusiast get I’m looking into 997 c4S myself , are you saying I should leave it and go for 993’s? Btw you resemble to Joseph Gordon levitt 😄

[@paulsanchez4141]

Great channel, thanks for the sharing

[@kstark2298]

Spot on critique of the wild performance and of course the connection with the 997 turb. I've owned north of 12 Porsches, including a 73.5 Targa and am currently looking for a '70s vintage 911 to reconnect with the driving experience I've missed. That said, over my 43 yrs of owning and driving Porsches I've learned to appreciate newer Porsches and my current daily driver is a '18 Macan GTS while I continue to refresh the '06 997 Carrera 4 I've owned for 7 yrs.

[@rnlbluernlblue1380]

I got the same car and felt the exact same way!!! I thought I was the only one. Love when you said the enjoyment and connection of the car should outweigh the cost. I picked up an Aston Martin v12 Vantage with a manual and look forward to driving it every time!!! I've had it 3+ years now and get excited like I just got it yesterday! i need to drive a 993!

[@Rennthusiast]

I get excited right before I get into each of my air cooled Porsches. There’s this sense that something special and entertaining is about to happen and it never disappoints.

[@jdchipstkr]

Had the same car in blue with 50k miles, got it at a great price but had to deal with the coolant lines within 1k miles and had some other small issues and got out of it break even. #2 didn't really apply to me but other then that this list is spot on. Found myself wanting another one for some reason but this reminded me of how I felt about it, I do miss the rush of 40-60 in second gear though.

[@stanleylaurel6873]

I own a 1989 930 Turbo Cab, a 2008 turbo 997 cab, and a 2007 997 turbo coupe. I drive all. I love each one in a special way. I think they are all for me depending in my driving mood. I am so glad I have these three.

[@kam1996]

Refreshing to see honest opinions and insights Vs all the instagram-rich boasting some I see on most channels. Good on you!

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you man 🙏🏽

[@charliekuhn1544]

I can totally relate to connecting to the car which is why if you don't truly connect to it then sell it until you find a car you can connect with. Very good video and reason as to why you sold your 997.1 turbo. As for me, I have that connection to my 997.1 turbo and whenever I take mine out, I can't stop grinning and when parking my car always look back on it... I plan to keep mine forever :)

[@Rennthusiast]

Amen brother 🙏🏽

[@henryzeisler8280]

Air Cooled ‘‘tis the “Way to go!” Had a 914 2.0 with a 2.7 liter clutch assembly to keep me from blowing the clutch because I had a scuba tank in rear trunk, a switch to turn it on and a 1964 Chevy automatic kick-down switch to spray No2 into the engine!

[@Mark-je4de]

Great video and comments on the 997.1 manual are spot on, I had a 997.1 S and replaced with the997 turbo...now I am in the exact same position for the same reasons. The turbo is an engineering marvel and the speed is sublime but I just don't smile while driving it like I do with a normally aspirated 911.

[@chrisk920]

That's because you're like this guy......thinking about if your 401k is up 1% or down 1% that day instead of the joy of driving. Ughhhhh

[@Frdtsl]

So you rather have the s than the turbo?

[@kevincline4119]

Bruh....bruh...I love this video. I finally bought my dream car (06 997 911) and now suddenly, I want to go backwards. The more classic, the better. Mine is a 997.1 bought from a Porsche dealer in Tysons, but suddenly I'm in love with the older more classic models. Now I have to build another garage! Keep the vids coming!

[@markb2379]

Great content Will. Timely as well, considering I’ve been looking at 997 Turbos for some time now (deep down the rabbit hole). Think I’ll refocus my energy on some projects for my ‘97 C2S. Anxious to see how your 993 project turns out. Thanks for sharing your journey.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks and certainly don’t mean to scare you off. They are great cars but hopefully my explanation helped you get more perspective. Lots to think about, because you’re talking about bigger $ numbers with these cars, from both an acquisition standpoint as well as real (and potential) carrying costs. I am thinking hard about a 993 C2S and got really close to pulling the trigger on a Zenith Blue 993 C4S a few days ago. Amazing color. Would love to pick your brain about the widebody 993’s if possible. Any way you could shoot me an email at [e-mail] so I can ask you some questions?

[@mollyoko]

Driven 22k in my 997.1 turbo (GT silver - looks way better imo). Serviced every year, never one engine issue. Had to replace a tire sensor one year other than that just oil etc. I drive it hard and daily too. Had a 993 before the 997 and it had endless issues, electrical failures was in the garage a lot! This guy is fearmongering to validate his purchasing decisions. The 997 does benefit from straight piping the exhaust as the only downside for me is the sound isn’t as raucous as other cars like v8s etc. car is plenty visceral and fast as fuc.

[@tomgardner6294]

I also have a 993 and completely relate to your being all in on air cooled. The driving experience is like no other

[@smote911]

Certainly made some good points on why you sold. Honestly, even with your video content I never felt that car was as loved as the other 2. I don't blame you one bit. I own 2 air cooled Porsches myself and as I peruse videos and literature, I'm always drawn to anything air-cooled. They make my heart do the pitter patter! Stephanie in Georgia

[@Rennthusiast]

I’ll tell you another reason I knew the car wasn’t for me: I always procrastinated when it came time to do a video on it, whether it was a video on buying the car, my thoughts on the car, etc. I just couldn’t get excited. I do hope I’m not coming across as bashing these amazing machines. I basically learned in a very expensive way that I’m air cooled through and through 😂 Thanks for watching 👍🏼

[@derjorgo2860]

Dude: too fast to enjoy every day. Me : driving three days a week on the Autobahn in my 335xd, thinking about how relatively slow my car has become over the last 5 years.

[@where-we-roam]

Was just down at Sonderwerks last week. Apparently just missed seeing your 993. Agree with everything you said, once you connect with a car, it is really hard to let it go. If not, enjoy it while you have it and then move on.

[@rpm-qv7rw]

Glad you mentioned the 996. I was going to suggest that to you as it is the best of both worlds (air-cooled and water-cooled).

[@dougskinner419]

Good video and explanation of why you sold it. I'd agree with you on 4 out of the 5 reasons. Certainly they are too fast to really be able enjoy on our streets. If you lived in Germany and could get on the Autobahn regularly...completely different story.

[@beautifulfouse]

The 997 Turbo is an Extreme Vehicle that Porsche had in mind for Extreme people who are very experienced drivers. If you were not a champion go cart driver as a child, do not buy this car, you could be widowing someone you love more than cars. I have had many models of Porsche and my absolute best favorite is my 1972 911s, it is fast but less than half as dangerous due to a expected and designed power curve for the street. Public roads, any country you go to are not anything near F 1 or other race tracks, unless you are a super driver do not buy a super car. I lived in Hanau, Germany for years, I saw more spun 997s than VW Beatles, they have rich inexperienced drivers in Germany too, but most are better drivers than anywhere else to include Italy.

[@NKPGarage]

I totally agree with your decision to sell based on the quality of the car and how immaculate it was. I've done that twice over the years with two different cars and ended up in the same situation. Much better to just let somebody else enjoy it for what it is versus letting it sit in the garage. Great video by the way. Love your content

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you. Really appreciate that

[@ftlaud911]

Very honest feedback on your Turbo ownership. All points were spot on. Been on that journey and thought process. Coolant issue is on all 996 turbo, 996 gt3, 997 turbo, and 997 gt3 cars. The epoxy will eventually let loose. Bad design. Only a matter of time. 996 non metzger have IMS. The air cooled cars also have issues prior to 3.2. After then they are very reliable. What they have in spades is mojo. Body is solid and easy to work on. The bonus is you can wind em out without going to jail instantly. With exhaust they sound phenomenal. Plus you get to smell them. One negative is the AC gets worse as you go back in time. In summer heat you will be sweating. Why all air cooled car videos show the windows down. Also a huge negative is they cost a ton to fix if you have an engine problem you cant fix. Part of the risk, but the driving experience is well worth it.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for the good amount of info, and I agree on all fronts. I have spent many hours with the windows down in my air cooled cars during the summer for the reasons you mention. Meanwhile, I view being hot while driving them as part of the experience so I don’t even mind sweating and being hot when I’m in them. On some level it’s just part of the experience. My 86 does have upgraded AC, though. It does help. I’ll just use my dailies (landcruisers) for dinner runs and errands with my wife and save the air cooled cars for solo driving. Thanks for watching!

[@luiscosta19123456]

Dude love the honesty great Chanel

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you man 🙏🏽

[@hitfoods1726]

He definitely loves the air cooled much better. The 997’s definitely don’t give you a insulated feeling. In fact, they’re known for the feedback compared to the 991’s snd 992’s. Your a air cooled guy which is super cool.

[@JS-te2vj]

As a former 964 Carrera 2 (Manual) Owner, and current 996.2 GT3 Clubsport owner, I never felt that water cooled was worse, or less involving - but this was valuable insight, since I'm actually debating 997.1 LHD.

[@caseyjones8976]

I have recently found your channel and have fell in love. I have just joined the Porsche family with my 991.2 GTS and am simply in love. I would love to own an air cooled 911 but my only drawback would be it must be an automatic, no legs so hand controls only. Do you happen to know of any 993 or 964 conversions for PDK?

[@Pearl3Drummer]

Great content!

[@mxwlj6974]

I did the same thing. Sold my 08 turbo manual and picked up a 73T AKA the Maus. Never looked back.

[@bossboyritchno1685]

I’ve had my 992 GT2RS for nearly two years now and I use it 3 days a week with trips to the Nurburgring and silverston on multiple occasions.. it gets driven hard and it just keeps performing time after time..the only thing that’s ever went wrong was a crack in one of the manifolds which was quickly replaced by Porsche free of charge.. by far one of the most solid reliable “high performance” cars I’ve ever owned! 💯 although my old 997 GT3 was the probably the best “daily driver/track car” I ever owned..