Here's Why You SHOULD Buy A 2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road!

[@PatrickRich]

im with you Tommy. I've done the math and the value of the TRD Off-road is there all day long.

[@kl-eu7iq]

Coming from someone who has a 2018 TRD Off Road Premium w/ KDSS I can tell you it’s definitely the one you want. You can get the black overlays for the badges and delete the chrome. Add a CAI and Exhaust, the list goes on and on. I am so pleased with my purchase and I love my TRD Off Road Premium! Keep these videos coming Tommy!!!!

[@pekanpi434]

Same. 19 with KDSS. Drove one without it and its a huge difference in handling. Im in love too

[@PartyUpLive]

@@pekanpi434 hi. Could you go into a little. Ore detail on the difference of a 4runner with and without the KDSS? I'm looking to get a 2020. Will probably never go off-roading but will take road trips next summer. And we do get a lot of snow. Do you recommend the KDSS upgrade on a TRD Premium?

[@pekanpi434]

@@PartyUpLive YES!! Drive one without like the TRD pro. I test drove it and didnt like body roll. Then i drove the trd offroad with kdss. Handles and feels way better. Test drive both. I Love my trd off road. It has good road manners and is amazing off road machine. Crawl contol is amazing. You will love 4runner!!

[@pekanpi434]

@@PartyUpLive KDSS stiffens the suspension and give you more travel. I wouldnt get one without it. Its that big of a difference to me. Its worth the 1700 upgrade.

[@0HOON0]

Love that the 4Runner is still built in Japan.

[@Machiwi-vo9nb]

Quality 👌

[@hansdoward]

That fact for the FJ makes them worth every cent they sell for right now IMHO.

[@hansdoward]

And the 4runner still has the 4.0?

[@0HOON0]

@@hansdoward Yeah, retaining 4.0 is another benefit of being built on a separate line to the Tacoma.

[@FinMcMurder]

Dont jinx it

[@Immolate62]

You're missing the point Tommy. If you're going to go out and lift your T4R and replace the wheels and tires and generally geek out on the offroad components, then get the cheapest T4R offroad you can and have fun. But if you're going to leave it stock at least until it's paid for, and you want the best offroad chops you can get at stock -AND- you love that TRD Pro aesthetic, then the Pro is for you. The lift and the bigger tires aren't worth the price differential on their own, but for some of us, the whole package is worth it. Apparently, lots of people agree as you can see from resale value of Pros.

[@superbros1690]

These cars are amazing, the 4 runner is worth every penny.

[@kenjohnson4423]

It's fun to read all the comments. My 87 is still amazing and runs perfect. So I cant chime in on this conversation until my 87 dies.

[@sethnewman1755]

Ken Johnson you can let us know how the 2030 4runner is 😆

[@Offshore1977]

Those 1st gens are classics.

[@davidonewayticket3388]

These are great. i own one myself the only thing that these lack is power. But boy o boy it's a beauty off roading.

[@crsantin]

I think the TRD Off Road is the best value. The Pro upgrade is outrageous here in Canada. 10k for the 4runner, 13k for the Tacomo Pro. Tires are easy to change. I don't think the badges and the Pro shocks are worth that much.

[@mrvwbug4423]

You can also buy the Fox shocks from the pro right from the TRD catalog and install them on your regular TRD off road.

[@lunamaria1048]

I'm in Halifax and JUST bought a TRD Off Road.. They tried to sell me on the Pro, but i told them i'm not paying 10k for shocks and tires i'm only going to upgrade lol.. I absolutely love it!

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@lunamaria1048 Yeah, I got the TRD off road and am very happy, I see no need for the extra expense of the Pro, for that price difference I could put a high end lift kit on it.

[@lunamaria1048]

@mrvwbug44 I whole heartedly agree.. I did buy the Pro but just let my brother took over the payments and I got a TRD Off Road.. My brother will be happy with the Pro as is, but i intend to modify mine for overland touring and extreme rock crawling

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@lunamaria1048 I'm looking to do similar with mine, I want to build a basic overlanding setup, though I am happy with its stock capability, though might consider a small lift and 33s at some point in the future. I did black bear pass with my TRD off road already and even bone stock it did great.

[@demoncleaner80]

Just bought a 2020 TRD Off-Road Premium in Classic Silver two days ago. Love it so far! I drove a 2001 Tacoma prior to this for 17 years, so it was time.

[@marcusjensen3409]

A 20200? Some futuristic shit or what?

[@demoncleaner80]

@@marcusjensen3409 I fixed it. Hah, what's funny is I traded that 4Runner in about 2 1/2 years ago!

[@JesusGarcia-yi8my]

Just picked up a 2020 4Runner TRD off road..I am loving everything about it!

[@SOBIsHobbies]

Agreed. For the very same reason I got my Tacoma Off-Road with premium and tech package over Pro. I ended up saving me about $8K. $38,xxx vs $45,xxxx

[@northerntoyota7584]

This is the model I bought and lifted, put 275 ko2 and blacked things out. Kdss is good too. Save a lot of money! Good work with the videos tfl crew.

[@PartyUpLive]

Do you recommend the KDSS shocks for someone that will probably never go off-roading but may eventually take long road trips in their 4runner?

[@SylentONE]

@@PartyUpLive yes. It's a win win

[@RyanAlward]

PartyUpLive absolutely, it totally reduces body roll in corners and nose dive.

[@pekanpi434]

I did the same!! Looks and drives way better. Did 5100s and ko2s 275. Loving it!

[@pekanpi434]

@@PartyUpLive Kdss is amazing. My 4runner with bilstein 5100s and kdss HANDLES. My friend $$$$ getting icon stage 5 to handle like mine. Great option on and off road.

[@bigskysac]

Agree with you 100%! Bought a TRD Off Road with XP Package, even looks like a Pro for $37,000. Go with Dobinson springs/shocks and viola!!

[@ELECTRICEYEMEDIA]

I bought a base SR5 4X4 that came from the dealer with Katzkin leather seats, TRD black out kit, cheap leveling kit, Toyo ATIII 33" tires on a set of method race wheels with a set of N-Fab steps. I have since changed out the suspension to Fox 2.5/2.0 coil overs with camburg uniball UCA, added the TRD skid plate, switched out the ATIII for Toyo MT tires. Added Westcott Designs full roof rack with basket, step ladder and 20 degree sliders. Baja Designs amber fogs and 40" roof light bar. C4 low wench front bumper with bull bar and Extreme 30" light bar followed by a switch pro to control all the lighting. My 4 runner is super silver but has been wrapped in 3M matte military green with bronze method wheels. I can tell you this. I took my base SR5 up to Northern Arizona on some hardcore trails and it hung with all the big boys. Crawl and locking Diff aren't really necessary for overlanding and moderate to slightly difficult trails with just ATRAC in 4 low on the SR5. Most people change out a lot of the stock parts even on the Pros so, if you plan on modding you 4 runner why spend the extra $10K-$20K for what you will just replace anyway?

[@shakeyfly]

So the assumptions being made in this video... I'm going to replace the wheels anyway... I'm going to replace the shocks anyway... I'm going to add a roof rack anyway.... I'm going to add a new exhaust anyway.... ok as a married guy, I'd rather loop it all into a hidden from wife loan and start off that way. lol

[@NinjaSushi2]

Haha well said.

[@bradbell3041]

So true

[@davidpainter6940]

Yep

[@psyberiusblack]

That and there’s something to be said for having a slightly modded truck from factory with the TRD Pro: It’s all under warranty. Say you get a TRD Off Road, and depending how you mod it. You could void the warranty.

[@archstanton664]

Sure, blame the wife for being too lazy to do your own mods.

[@jbird1173]

I bought a sr5 premium 4x4 xp. Has leather heated seats. Trd pro bumper and grille, Trd skid plate, trd wheels, same running boards as trd pro and blacked out badges. On 32 duratracs. For 37k so I mounted fox 2.5 coilovers in front and fox 2.5s with progressive springs on the rear. With 4 people it will boogie across some rough stuff. I've only had it about 18" in the air at 40mph but the landing was smooth with no bottoming.

[@jbird1173]

But I still drive my 1998 v6 4x4 to work every day. It has 240k miles on it and still going strong.

[@STONE_COLD_SNEED_AUSTIN]

Man why did they discontinue the VooDoo blue? Tacoma and Tundra both have it on the lower models now but it's completely gone in the 4Runner.

[@smallnuts2]

I wanted that color. I'm going to go with black now. Get a lift on it too

[@Offshore1977]

Because army green is the best

[@bwma]

TRD OFF ROAD with the standard package for 2018 rolled through Hells Reveng Utah no problem at all. Stock all the way down to tires and loaded with everything to cross the country. The least amount of options the less to go wrong. I'll be keeping this for my daughters when they drive in a decade.

[@someguy5035]

It has been done. There are videos here.

[@bradanderson1065]

Not a fan of the chrome strip in the grille but I'd swap it for a TRD grill anyway. Definitely go with a TRD off-road if you plan to modify. I have a 16 Trail premium and I have the TRD grille, all LED headlights, a full aftermarket skid package, sliders, larger tires, and a full LED interior swap all for less than what a TRD pro would have cost me. I still have locker, crawl control, and multi-terrain select and eventually will lift it.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Just like the Tacoma, everybody and their brother swaps out to the TRD pro grille.

[@johnw3530]

Yea but its not a Pro, lol.

[@zachpeat5076]

What’s a better value the trail premium or the TRD off road?

[@bradanderson1065]

@@zachpeat5076 IMO a Trail is a better value if you intend to modify it. You get all the same off-road hardware except the fox shocks. The TRD Pro will hold its value slightly more if left stock than a Trail but that is mainly because of special colors. You can put a lifted 3 inch fox suspension and all the TRD features on a Trail for the same cost of a TRD out of the box and it will be much more capable.

[@zachpeat5076]

Brad Anderson Thanks for the info. So much to learn with these..

[@wcjeep]

Completely agree with this video opinion. We have no plans to lift our TRD Offroad. Opted for KDSS for better onroad and offroad handling. Also skipped the sunroof for increased headroom.

[@WW-wf8tu]

Slap on legit sliders and you have duplicated my purchase. ;) For similar reasons.

[@PartyUpLive]

So you recommend getting the KDSS for better city driving and road trips in the 4Runner? I'll probably never go off-roading but I do want to go on road trips and the more comfortable the ride I'm all for the extra upgrade. And I'm 6' 9" tall. Definitely don't want the sun roof.

[@wcjeep]

@@PartyUpLive we liked the kdss handling. At 6' 9", definitely test drive to make sure it fits. The Off-road model has a manual transfer case and rear locker. I prefer manual transfer case for reliability. Electronic switched transfer cases should be exercised once a month to ensure long life. Electronic transfer case non use can lock up the solenoid s.

[@SylentONE]

@@wcjeep good stuff

[@marcusjensen3409]

What is KDSS?

[@oni-one574]

Can't believe 2020 was 4 years ago.

[@MidMoTundra]

The TRD Off-road can be equipped with KDSS, which is unavailable on the TRD Pro. Unless you want the Pro colors, buy a TRD OR and build it up yourself and save some cash

[@normrubio]

KDSS?

[@0HOON0]

KDSS is essentially an active sway bar. Greatly improves the on road handling without sacrificing articulation off road.

[@WW-wf8tu]

@@normrubio Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System. On road, it increases your stability. Off road, it increases your articulation. Something the other trims do not give you. It is worth the $.

[@PartyUpLive]

@@WW-wf8tu hi. So for somome that's looking to get a 4runner, currently drive a minivan and love the ride. UT wanting a 4runner, do you recommend adding the KDSS system? I'll eventually be going o. Road trips in the 4Runner. Will probably never go off-roading. Also, we do get a lot of snow in the winter.

[@dustinmarazzito7184]

Plus KDSS... Which adds articulation. Especially when paired with an OME or Icon lift.

[@Queensizemusic]

Dustin Rachell Marazzito um...OME over the Fox suspension??? 🙄

[@dustinmarazzito7184]

@@Queensizemusic depends on what for? Desert running no. Trail riding/rocks, yes. More clearance and articulation. The OME BP-51 will give fox a run for its money in any condition. Not knocking the TRD Fox set up.

[@robertquattrini2486]

Weak ass suspension with no articulation... GAYOTA!!!!!

[@billymc2681]

I agree with the premise, but like the TRD wheels. The thing about about modifying vehicles....it's hard to stop once you start!

[@SylentONE]

Like tattoos

[@aky19832001]

I own the TRD PRO and the Limmited series. THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT MACHINES ON ROAD AND OFF. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, SUSPENSION, AIR INTAKE, EXHAUST HEIGHT AND FEATURES. BOTH ARE BE USED OFF ROAD, BOTH OFFER UNDERCARRIAGE PROTECTION. You need state facts okay. educate people that Toyota has the AWD which is all wheel drive all the time and you can't turn it off, that comes with a center lock diff and LSD for front and rear. The 4x4 which is every other model including the TRD PRO are all wheel 2 wheel drive and on demand 4x4 with rear locking diff and no, you can't drive with it on all the time. As per Toyota instructions manual. You can can activate it 4x4 at speeds 40 and less and on slippery terrain. So if you live in a cityi that sees alot of snow and your thinking that I'm just going to get me the TRD PRO thinking it's going to have AWD. Wrong. EDUCATE YOUR SELF ON THE SUSPENSION TYPE, AND FEATURES. For example the Toyota Limited features the XREAS suspension and it's basically a "sport " suspension. The ride is very stiff and the truck self levels using hydraulics ( no electronics, google it for detials) It nearly all but eliminates body roll. YES IT ELIMINATES BODY ROLL AND IS SHOCKINGLY STABLE. This channels loves reviewing TRD pro as though Toyota 4runner offers no other model with different features. The TRD PRO is a boat on turns. Flat out. It also sinks. the XREAS doesn't sink when towing.

[@PartyUpLive]

I'm looking to get the TRD Premium. Here we get a lot of snow and the 4x4 will definitely come in handy for that but I know not the treat it like a AWD vehicle. I don't like the Limited and while I'll probably never do any off roading I just love the truck overall and plan to keep it "forever". I do have to educate myself on when to use 4x4, 4H, 4L, etc...

[@masterbuiltdesigns6734]

Thank you, seems like the reviewers miss some of the ovious info. I looked at all of the options that 4runner offers and coming from LX570 which offers full time all wheel drive is important feature. Huge difference between 4x4 vs AWD.

[@erikmitlo]

News that matter I had the 2018 limited and trades for a PRO. The limited sucked and it’s ugly. It has body roll and it dipped. The 2019 pros suspension is stiffer with the fox shocks. Also, the limited was more of a dog. It was slower and less responsive because of the AWD. I like the PRO better overall. I miss the push start and ventilated seats. That’s IT.

[@koston777]

TRD PRO have that unique factor and way way better resale value. I seen people trying to justify their other model purchases but I haven't seen any body who got PRO wish they have bought other models.

[@randymoore2410]

The TRD Off Road wheels are better off road wheels than the Pro wheels. They are wider and they provide protection for the valve stem, the Pro wheels do not.

[@johnw3530]

Has anybody here had valve stems rip off? Lol

[@eartha911]

I like them all, but now that I'm retired in New England, I bought the 2016 Trail Premium new, (Same thing as the TRD Off Road), and immediately put BFGoodrich KO2s on her, as my snow shoveling days are over. I agree with your thoughts on the wheels. They look the best! Very happy with this 4Runner!

[@bboness713]

Just bought a 2020 TRD Off Road Premium and love it! Very nice on road with the KDSS and very good off road as well.

[@averye7646]

Or like instead of spending 2k on suspension work 500 on a diff drop and 1.25k on nice tires, just get the trd pro. It makes sense

[@mahendrareddy6]

I totally agree with Tommy. Also you can get optional KDSS which Tommy did not mention.

[@marcusjensen3409]

What is KDSS?

[@zzanatos2001]

I'm glad the 2020 4Runners finally have Android Auto and Apple Carplay and Toyota Safety Sense. Now Toyota needs to do a full exterior redesign and give the engine a little more power and/or better fuel economy.

[@sfrealestatedealmaker6001]

Zachary Zarko The TSS will have a huge cluster behind the rear view mirror. If you need to replace the windshield it’ll run around $1,000 since you’ll have to get the dealer to recalibrate the radar and sensors. Convenient but expensive when you have to place the glass.

[@zzanatos2001]

Good point. The main reason I want TSS is for lane centering/lane keeping. I drive from Colorado to Missouri often, and fighting the crosswinds on that 10-hour stretch of I-70 is exhausting.

[@sfrealestatedealmaker6001]

Zachary Zarko Worth it for you then. 👍🏼

[@sfrealestatedealmaker6001]

Jee Vang Right on.

[@SylentONE]

I don't want TSS on the 4runner. Just get a Highlander

[@monrow11]

I bought a 2022 TRD off-road. Put a 2.5 inch Old Man Emu lift. Upper Control Arms. And Toyo 285/70/17 AT3 tires. It’s way better then a TRD Pro now. To get those tires on a TRD pro you have to remove the expensive shocks or add spaces. The TRD pro is an appearance and tire package. They are the same trucks.

[@RichardsWorld]

Not to mention dealers want to add several thousand over MSRP on Pro models. But on resale the Pros still cmand this extra mark up.

[@davidharden8469]

3:36: Is that Kurt Williams spotting in the background?

[@NightNurseMike]

The nice thing about these is you can buy an 8 year old 2014 4Runner trail premium(same as trd off road premium) and for a couple grand you can put shocks and a trd pro roof rack and be on your way with 10’s of thousands still in your retirement account collecting interest.

[@dankoldenhoven4997]

6 years ago I bought a 2013 trail of the 3 available (sr5, limited, trail ) it was the least expensive and had the best off road goodies. A 3 in Toytec boss lift and total chaos UCAs. And boom you have a TRD pro slayer. I guess you could argue warranty and stuff but in the 100k on it so far it's needed nothing... it is a yota after all

[@johnkaper1129]

Liked your video, very nice comparison. I bought the TRD Off Road Premium 3/19 in California. I was very torn to buy the Offroad Pro, but in California the difference at the time was $15,000 more for the Off-Road Pro. The Pro was very scare and demanded a $15,000 premium; which I couldn't see that it was worth the $15K. I called my buddy at Toyota and like a lot you said the wouldn't do it, with money saved you could do a lot of upgrades if you wanted. He felt that the Off-Road Premium was a very capable vehicle and with a few changes could essentially be an Off-Road Pro. Thank you for doing the comparison !

[@voodooblue6162]

The best bang for the buck is always gonna be the trd off-road especially if you plan to modify your 4runner.

[@bennyb6071]

@@jeevang7853 does the sr5 have sunroof available?

[@dodgerdogcerritos]

@@bennyb6071 SR5 premium does

[@louyht7]

Which 4runner should I buy SR5 premium or TRD off road?

[@mikec3454]

Totally agree ... Planning on getting a TRD Offroad in 18 months or so when our lease is up. I'll be throwing K02s on it immediately and likely do a 2-3" lift right away so to me the savings is well worth it.

[@luisrubio108]

Why would add tires and spend money on a lease?

[@mikec3454]

@@luisrubio108 I'm BUYING the TRD when my current lease is up. Sorry, should specified that.

[@predatorpwr]

I get the savings argument but the TRD Pro is V

[@tacodude286]

My wife's 2016 Trail Premium is the bee's knees. Hands down one of the best vehicles ever made.

[@briankohler4079]

I bought a late 2018 TRD off road premium and saved a ton over the Pro. The kdss is a joy on the road. You can add shocks and a better front skid for way less than the cost of the Pro.

[@Lexusgx550]

Kdss is it better ? I’m looking for Sr5 premium

[@briankohler4079]

@@Lexusgx550 It’s personal preference . But the KDSS offers a nice on-road presence, stability on the road and takes corners a lot better than without it. Again, all personal preference, really. I like the off road capabilities combined with the on-road smoothness that the kdss provides.

[@xhulkdieselx]

Just picked up a new 2019 TRD off-road. I cost me 2k to make it into a PRO in every aspect except the suspension, which I prefer the KDSS. I blacked out all the emblems, changed the front and rear ugly silver bumper valances to the black PRO ones, I even bought the PRO roof rack (at a stinging 700 bucks lol, but I fell in love with the look of it). I basically built a pro with KDSS for 5k less than the price tag on the pro. Also, for some reason my Off Road came with the pro shifter, red stitching and all.... very weird.

[@aaron21000]

can you just swap the valance? Did you have to cut anything?

[@The_Mister]

Better yet, buy an SR5 and learn how to drive off-road. The locker is really the only thing anybody uses on the TRD models, but A-Trac on the SR5 will get you through most of those situations. I don’t know anyone who uses crawl control. Hill descent - yes. But not crawl control.

[@denttech2515]

I mean no offense, but crawl control is technology that even the most experienced driver simply has no control over. It adjusts power and brake to each wheel independently of each other at a very precise level, way beyond what a skilled driver could ever do. It's physically impossible. I'd have to say it's kind of cheating, but it's also really cool

[@SylentONE]

@@denttech2515 if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying lol

[@dodgerdogcerritos]

Just got me an SR5 today. Non premium too.

[@jimgleason3062]

I bought my third 4Run back in Nov. I really wanted the Pro but couldn't justify the additional cost in the 2019 line up between the OR and the Pro. For the difference I can fully customize the wheels, tires, suspension and other goodies and still have money for lunch. I just wish auto manufacturers start thinking a bit like Tesla and continue to upgrade the dashboard and infotainment areas. It stinks knowing my '19 TRD OR has less informational features than the '18 Tacoma. Doesn't make sense, and it isn't like I can get a remote over the air update to provide me with those features. Same with the infotainment center. I don't need a huge update but keep up with stuff. Allowing for Apple CarPlay or Android Auto would be nice, or even push an update to add Spotify to my list of apps.

[@SylentONE]

The 2020 has Apple carplay and Android Auto. FYI

[@mattonthewater]

I agree to a point, best value when you buy it new sure. Buuuuuuut the Pro will hold its value much better. So the pro in the long run is really a smarter option if you aren’t planning on going crazy modifying it.

[@LoudMercury]

Wouldn't the pro have the best resale retention though?

[@r99pinball24]

@ピーチャン probably because he can afford to :P

[@connors9253]

If youre gonna get any truck for serious offroading it has to be a late 80's hilux. We've lifted ours 8 inches and bashed it to pulp, there isnt a single untouched panel. Its been flipped and rolled countless times and it still runs like a dream.

[@patricksmith5656]

Good to hear....I purchased the TRD off road premium about 5 weeks ago, worth every penny !

[@shahramkhayam4875]

I'm going to buy my TRD by next week. I did my test drive today. I love it. It's my perfect vehicle for my work. Thank you for the video.

[@louisnguyen2865]

It's been a week now. Did you get the TRD? Which model? I'm currently saving for either a Subaru STi or a TRD OR or Venture.

[@shahramkhayam4875]

@@louisnguyen2865 I'm waiting for the year 2020 starts first then get my 4Runner. We are in 2019 yet. I'm happy for you. Get what you need the most. Not what you want. Wish you all the best. Cheers

[@louisnguyen2865]

@@shahramkhayam4875 Thanks, bro! Sensible reasoning you gave...makes perfect sense to get what is needed, not wanted. Thanks!

[@shahramkhayam4875]

@@louisnguyen2865 You're most welcome! Remember, anything you need in your life, just ask from whoever you believe as you divine first. Then, be patient, trust the process, listen to your inner voice and feeling, then, wait for the right time and the right place. Definitely, soon or later, YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR NEEDS. Wish you all the best!

[@louisnguyen2865]

@@shahramkhayam4875 Will always heed this most helpful insight/instruction/method when faced with a dilemma; it is thorough yet simple. No need to go through the pains of mental gymnastics to find an answer. Thank you again! Wish you all the best too!

[@MountainStateAngler]

"Toyota flew me out" , "Here is why this one is my favorite" bias. Thanks for the review anyway. I love Toyoyas. :)

[@stevenmielke1662]

One thing the offroad can have that's amazing is the KDSS. I called a Toyota rep to check and ask if I could get a Pro with KDSS and the answer was no. To be honest, I mostly wanted the Pro because I love the grill badging simply spelling out Toyota over the fancy Toyota T. In my personal, unprofessional opinion the Pro is tuned as a desert runner; higher speeds absorbing smaller rock bumps. The off roads do everything just as well, if not better, for trails. In the end the wifey agreed to let me get another FJ (we sold our first because they are really tough to deal with car seats after we had our first baby). So I got the FJ with all the bells and whistles and my front grill says Toyota. And I've since been a happy boy. :D

[@davidharden8469]

I wish you could get a TRD Pro-like grille for the 4th gen 4Runner...

[@firesupport162]

Where i live major trails will kill you cause of the steepness so im just lifting my sr5 and ATRAC does wonders w.o. a diff lock

[@zzzz-ok7733]

Did you say "SR5?" now your talking! Still driving 31 year old SR5 Toyota-Pickup and would match it to any of these overpriced good looking vehicles!🇺🇸🤠🏜️

[@GundamDroid]

My 2019 RAV4 XLE will wipe the floor with all these 4Runners! ....in a parking lot. But I do wonder just how capable my rav4 would be on those trails

[@SylentONE]

Hmm... 🤔

[@347PJS]

Toyota need to make something more with the trd pro like adding a turbo or supercharger for more power in top with what it comes with, buying trd offroad in the 4runner and taco is the best combination

[@FinMcMurder]

You don't need that power off road lol

[@347PJS]

@@FinMcMurder u are right about that is low torque, but that point of the video is that a regular trd is just as good as the trd pro. So by Toyota making the trd pro a little more attractive will make them sell better

[@jamesngotts]

So this is an interesting debate. We recently bought at 4Runner TRD Off Road with KDSS instead of a TRD PRO. We quickly learned the KDSS can cause some extra complications with lifting and skid plate replacement which you will pay a premium for the extra labor involved. Another point to note with the KDSS models, Toyota will not do the factory PRO skid and suspension upgrade on KDSS models meaning everything has to be done in the aftermarket. Now with all that out of the way..... We have basically have mimicked the TRD PRO suspension setup through the aftermarket on our TRD Off Road and it performs as well as a PRO off road and even better than a PRO in terms of front axle articulation with the KDSS. The 17" black/red TRD Rims area huge bonus from the factory because of the offset and back spacing. You can fit a much larger tire on them without rubbing or major lifting. These will run $215 a wheel and dont forget the spare. A suspension setup with a 2.5 front shock, taller front springs and a rear 2.0 reservoir shock will run you $1000+ not including installation. As for upper control arms and front differential positioning, the Off Road and PRO are identical. The PRO comes with larger 265/70r17 A/T tires as well, however these are Nitto Terragraplers which are a pretty mild A/T tire by off road standards. We went with a 265/70r17 KO2 which has had no problem keeping up with the M/T tires on my Power Wagon. A set of 5 will run you $1100 to $1200 not including mount/balance but that can vary heavily on your choice of tire. The TRD Skid plate will run you about $350 and you will have to cut the sides of it to fit it in with the KDSS sway bar. It is a much thicker and better skid than the factory Off Road one. All in all, if you can get a PRO for a really good deal the suspension, wheels, tires and skid plate is worth it. The TRD Off Road without KDSS is easier to modify than with KDSS. Honestly, with Toyota's really advanced and solid crawl control system the extra front articulation gained from KDSS is really not needed. The KDSS will give you a better ride while cornering. If you are a person who wants your modifications done by Toyota under their warranty, a TRD Off Road without KDSS for a really good deal is a good choice because you can take it to a Toyota dealer and pay them to put the full PRO package on it.

[@luchaDor]

100% agree...this is the 4Runner to buy.

[@rickwhitmire7933]

the exact reason I bought a trd off road tacoma.98%

[@user-hy6cy9fb1h]

rick whitmire why did you buy it ?

[@rickeycooley9139]

Yell Rick why you buy it?

[@TheTechCguy]

It's not enclosed in the back, from the get go, like the 4Runner.

[@jeremydlindquist6046]

how is it more useful?

[@rickwhitmire7933]

Locker, $10k less than TRDPro, Bilstein...

[@EchoSigma6]

So the biggest hardware difference is the Fox shocks? Amazon lists the factory Fox shocks with the reservoir for $2,050 with free shipping. Add some after market wheel/tires and appearance items and you could have something personal and just as good as the factory TRD PRO. Or am I missing something?

[@acthilina]

@TFLoffroad What are your thoughts on 4runner TRD Pro Fox Shocks set up vs TRD OffRoad KDSS? Which set up is better? TIA

[@toddmayta7615]

I bought TRD ORP. Added nitto ridge grappler 33's, c4 sliders, and King suspension. Better than a PRO. Less money spent. (Did all the work myself which saves a lot)........

[@SylentONE]

Good stuff

[@MCWormGuy]

Don't understand how you can do this video and not mention the KDSS? Sure the foxes are better shocks than the bilsteins in the trd offroad great, but the system as a whole is superior in the premium because of the KDSS

[@pekanpi434]

True. KDSS is amazing!!

[@wymore73]

You’re so right about the two powertrains, the 3.5 VS 4.0. The 4 liter is much better. I have a 2018 Tacoma MT TRD OR and my wife has a 2012 FJC auto. I’ve said the same thing too, that I wish that my truck had her engine and trans in it. This is my second 3rd Gen Tacoma, the first was a ‘16 with the auto. After two years of the auto I had enough. I like the MT, it is definitely an improvement, just not as nice as the 4.0. I may bight the bullet and go to a Tundra...

[@Kodazot]

Better engine 4runner but tacoma with manual transmission.

[@Kodazot]

4runner with manual dream car.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@Kodazot Why should we have to dream? Toyota sells real SUVs with manuals on every continent but ours. #Manual4Runner

[@Kodazot]

Us market doesn't get manual. I drove last manual 1999. People buy more tacoma because manual option

[@itr0863]

i got my 4R trd off road non premium/non kdss back in 18' for $33k+tax tag title. i got 33' bfg's, sliders/armor, dobinsons lift i installed myself. thats all it needed. $3k total in mods is all i wanted to spend anyways. for me personally, i couldnt justify spending the extra $10k-$15k for the pro. i don't care about "resale value" or a limited edition model. i plan on getting a boat in a few years so if needed i can put it back to stock and sell the mods in order to sell/trade it in for a tundra.

[@thebeastmode4]

Not to mention if you're planning to build it. The TRD Off road is a much better choice..

[@thebeastmode4]

I disagree if you're using this in the off road segment. Not saying the SR5 cant ever be built very off road ready but it'd just take a lot more to. If you got an SR5 you'd have no lockers, crawl control, or skids.. I know you can just build those things but thats just another expense. The TRD Pro is for people who plan to keep it the way it is imo. The TRD off road just needs a lift and tires and its ready. So if you wanna build the SR5 to save "thousands" Itd be cancelled out with diffs alone

[@morg4620]

Wait a minute. Are we getting side exhaust on the 2020 models.

[@STICKSHFT]

Get the trd off road and use the extra 6k to buy some remote resivoir icons with upper and lower control arms

[@Machiwi-vo9nb]

Save on the mark up price for the TRD pro by buying your own shocks and wheels and better off-road tires with the TRD off-road

[@michaeltom402]

That is what I did. Went to a better shock, tires, and powder coated the vehicle's rim and front and rear grill. Custom setup without the trd pro price. My tundra and forerunner both r custom like i want them

[@fobmsg]

You forgot to mention trd offroad has kdss but pro doesn’t

[@David-lr4vx]

I had the 2013 SR5 and I hated it. I went to a IS350 FSport and loved it but ended up back in a 4Runner, a 2018 TRDOR with the KDSS. That KDSS made such a huge difference. Even with aftermarket shocks and 285/70R17 tires. Yes, most of my driving is highway, but I live in UT and sometimes you gotta go off road. :D

[@terrybull4604]

KDSS?

[@RoseRose-ly3ff]

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[@RoseRose-ly3ff]

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[@WW-wf8tu]

@@David-lr4vx I did my homework prior to even going for the test drive. The KDSS was not even a question in my mind. Was a 100% getting it deal for me. Never regretted my purchase.

[@tomlee4519]

i bought TRD off road 3 months ago. i pay $55000. WTF.😭 The car is nice. but the price was 😖

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

The tires on both should be switched with BFGs immediately, so that point was moot.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

*Nittos are overrated you mean, it’s okay.

[@breyton490]

@@isaaclopez5004 did you mean to say the KO2 are not good on wet and slush in the winter?

[@IsaacLop2011]

Issac Lopez we have the same name. That is all.

[@bdeemter1234]

Scotty Kilmer be drooling every time you say “Toyota”

[@Lexusgx550]

Why you didn’t mention Sr5 premium. Is it not as good as trd off road?

[@InspireMe819]

Change suspension system, upgrade better/bigger tires, replace the badges and grills, buy a Yakima roofrake. All set.

[@Mjr1348]

I’ve had a trd ORP , then a Trd Pro and today just ordered a a 23 Trd off road premium. AND my wife has a trail edition 16 4r with kdss. So…… I guess you could say I’m familiar with them. Lol. Thanks for the vid ✌🏻

[@Offshore1977]

The TRD off road is available with kdss suspension which allows better articulation off road so technically in stock form, I would say the TRD OR with kdss is better off road.

[@fnfastone]

Why does everyone say the only difference is FOX shocks and tires? What about the dual climate controls and additional display under the radio only available in the PRO and limited. What about the $700+ TRD exhaust? How about the better looking front and rear bumpers and grill and painted hood scoop-all of which takes time and money to have upgraded or painted. How about the skid plate? Also, I'm not sure about this but can you get the Softex TRD PRO seats in the off road premium? How about the 15 speaker JBL audio that is standard in the Pro which would only add to the price of the OFF ROAD. What about the Roof Rack? Then you have the wheels and tires, What about the now standard for 2020 TRD PRO floor liners? Also not sure if the OFF ROAD comes with LED fog lights like the Pro? I might be forgetting a few things but this is just from the top of my head. And last but not least is the fact that the PRO is the top of the line 4Runner that Toyota offers and that in itself will have to mean something for resale value in the future.

[@AZBADBOYz]

The Off-Road with KDSS also has more suspension down travel. KDSS alone is also way..... worth having for on and off-road usage.

[@brandonwright6578]

AZBADBOYz Az baby

[@PartyUpLive]

So for long road trips probably want to look into the KDS shocks?

[@pekanpi434]

It handles way better for eveyday driving too.

[@RazeG4m1ng]

PartyUpLive it’s not a shock, but Yes KDSS will be nicer for any driving including long trips.

[@pekanpi434]

@@PartyUpLive Yes. Really surprised how comfortable it is on long trips. I do 5 to 10 hpur drives for waves. powder and steelhead. The more i drive it, the more i love it. Think most owners will agree

[@dizzyg6524]

Best attribute of the TRD Off-road is available KDSS, which isn’t an option on a TRD Pro.

[@herpderp1662]

Tried. 2020 isnt available for order for several more months. So I bought a 19 instead.

[@herpderp1662]

@@jeevang7853 the 19 has all that except the apple car play and android auto, which I dont care about. The differences are, the green color. Power drivers seat, led headlights and cameras. All assuming you get the trd pro model.

[@tomasgryczka5737]

Just like to know if you still recommend trd off road 2020 over trd pro

[@xack5810]

Forgot to mention TRD Off Road comes with KDSS and the Pro doesn't.

[@RadioReprised]

I bought an SR-5 and made it better.....My way, and still have 40K Total with wheels and 285's, 2.5'' lift, UCA's and Bilstiens, full aluminum skids, Baja fogs, sliders and more! TRD Pro is a rip off unless YOU don't intend to do anything yourself........

[@Flyingbikes748]

No mention of KDSS?

[@johnbrixen5796]

Some TRD off roads come with Toyota's KDSS. Did the one tested come with it?

[@OceansideCreations]

What’s your take on KDSS

[@WW-wf8tu]

KDSS is worth every penny. On road, it increases your stability in corners. Off road it increases your articulation. I know, I have tried with and with out and went with it. ;)

[@offgridaction454]

Very expensive if it breaks

[@OceansideCreations]

I have KDSS on my rig and can't imagine driving without it. Must feel like crap. I'll deal with whatever it cost to replace down the road and from what I read maybe 1k parts and labor to replace

[@topgun8683]

I beg to differ Tommy, I think the Tacoma TRD Off Road is the better choice with better towing capacity, updated dash, radio, push button start and adaptive cruise control!

[@stevenvarner9806]

Wait... isn't he saying the Off Road is better?

[@ismet_sxv]

Buy Trd off road and modify it

[@zachpeat5076]

What’s better the trail or the TRD off road?

[@NinjaSushi2]

For that kind of savings you could drop in a custom life and tires.

[@Steven-pi5nf]

Love the video! Which is gonna have a better resale value the trd off road vs trd pro? (I am going to either keep it stock or might have some minor upgrades such as the wheels and suspension)

[@rngrscott]

With this info... knowing how long Toyota takes to update a vehicle. Which year and trim would you buy used knowing your going to build it to overland or 4x4 in (i.e. suspension, wheel/tires, armor, roofrack etc). Don't really care about tech as far as infotainment, sensors/lane keep, and memory seats? Great video.

[@pn312]

Is a front camera offered in the 4runner like the one offered in the Tacoma?

[@SylentONE]

Noob

[@wanderingaloudwithmark3057]

@TFLoffroad I will be on roads fairly similar to the ones in the video. Forest service roads in the Pacific Northwest. Do you think it is necessary to lift the suspension?

[@nstv23]

Can it with 3’ lift and big tires pull a 4000lbs off road trailer conqueror 440 around trails without loosing lots of power ? Thanks

[@someguy5035]

Can pull 5000lbs

[@sergiomontes1601]

How about the limited? Does it have the same features for off road?

[@rotorwind177]

Sergio Montes nope. No locker, crawl control, MTS

[@bryanbahling2877]

I actually prefer the SR5. It's still a beast. Especially for those that don't do rocky offroading.

[@llee02045]

Could you do the control slip test on the 2020 Kia Tellurride? It's one of the most popular selling SUV right. Ow.

[@someguy5035]

It is unibody. I wouldn't take it anywhere off road.

[@edawg792]

@@someguy5035 Not that a Telluride is any good off road, but Range Rovers are also unibody. Unibody isn’t automatically bad off road.

[@someguy5035]

@@edawg792 RRs are disposable these days. The new Defender was breaking down on the reviewers. Get a 4Runner or a LC if you want something to depend on.

[@edawg792]

@@someguy5035 Of course. I was making a point about unibody construction. Another example, the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk is unibody and capable.

[@Pyrrhus0331]

Would this opinion apply to the 2020 Tacoma Off Road vs Pro?

[@SylentONE]

Yep