Herman Miller Aeron vs Embody - Why should you (not)?

[@Unfilterd]

Do you think the noise is acceptable for the price? Or “in the noise tolerance standard of the product” 😜?

[@alexworm1707]

That's defined by them, not the user, the user either accepts their tolerance or move on to another chair. They have one of the best return policies out there. I for one don't really mind noisy chairs, if the chair was good enough in other areas i could live with it, but obviously the noise comes from the tech they used to make the chair as flexible and supportive as it is.

[@Unfilterd]

@@alexworm1707we can agree to disagree in that case, it’s unacceptable in my opinion

[@alexworm1707]

@@Unfilterd sue them then lmao

[@ToniDerAlbaner]

@@alexworm1707you need to chill. Let him have his opinion lol. Why would he sue them? Dumb comment

[@alexworm1707]

@@ToniDerAlbaner because his opinion is wrong, he can agree or disagree with the company, other then that his only option is suing them.

[@outputcoupler7819]

FYI, never use WD-40 as a lubricant. It is not a lubricant, and does a terrible job of lubricating things. It _seems_ to do a good job lubricating things, but it's designed to dry out. And once it does that it doesn't lubricate things anymore. The reason it seems to work as a lubricant are kind of complicated. It's a quite good solvent, so it's very good at cleaning gunk out of hinges and such that cause increased friction. It's especially good at dissolving rust, so it's great at releasing rusted bolts and such. But if you have a clean hinge and add WD-40, then it will only reduce friction until the WD-40 dries, at which point it will actually be worse off than before because now you've got dried on residue from the WD-40 and probably dust and other things sticking to it. If you want to actually lubricate something, use 3-in-1 oil, or any other light oil intended for lubrication. They're cheap and come in a little can with a squirt nozzle so it's easy to dispense small amounts of lubricant exactly where it needs to go. They don't dry out like WD-40, and will keep the joint lubed up for a long, long time. If the hinge is cruddy, a bit of WD-40 before the oil is good, because WD-40 is so good at cleaning stuff. A good squirt of WD-40 will clean out all the old lubricant that's loaded up with gunk, and leave a clean hinge ready to accept more lubricant.

[@TheIronWord]

There's a reason the military buys Aeron for all the IT and cyber folks, i spent 20 hour days in this chair and would not use anything else. i'm 6'3'' and weigh 220 and use the C size.

[@Unfilterd]

I love it too

[@bigstan360]

I’m on the fence for the aeron I’m 6’6” and 340lbs would you say a size c aeron would still be a good choice over the embody?

[@Snxgur]

@@bigstan360bros the terminator

[@reditoao]

@@Snxgur More like the Michelin man

[@chunkymilk]

they buy aerons because they want people to work not be comfy.

[@Kunaminy]

I use the Aerons at work (12 hours of sitting 5 days a week) and they're incredible. I was torn between Aeron and Embody for at home gaming and ultimately went with the Embody a year ago. I don't think either of them is any better than the other but they're both definitely the most comfortable chairs I've ever had the pleasure of using. Any issues I have with one are present in the other - i.e. slight tailbone pain after not moving around for a few hours due to intense gaming or intense working. My embody doesn't squeak either. I'm a bigger girl so the tailbone pain is probably just from that 🤣 otherwise, I have 0 pain or soreness from either. If I HAD to choose between the two, I'd probably end up choosing the Aeron and that's only because the mesh is slightly more comfortable and I feel more supported in a reclined state than I do with the Embody.

[@ultra78721]

Aeron chair like he says , it forces you to sit in the position it is designed to. If you try to relax out of the position it is designed to , the outer hard plastic on the seat and back dig into you're skin ...I returned the Aeron and got the Logitech Gaming Embody the noise it makes took about a year for it to go away .The noise did not bother me at all. And i get good posture and i can sit back and relax in any position i feel like with out the hard plastic digging into my skin.

[@Unfilterd]

You are right, good to hear you enjoy the Embody!

[@gmennc2648]

I’ve bought both of these chairs. I really wish they’d make a hybrid between the two. I would love to see the Embody lose some of the crappier features and take those features from the Aeron. In fact, If they could add the lumbar support to the Embody, that alone would have made me buy a second one instead of getting the Aeron as my second one. I could care less about the noise to be perfectly honest. Mine does not sound as bad as yours does, though.

[@ZZZUPUP]

Have tried every chair out there. Nothing beats the Aeron, just a superior chair. I love that it has changed my body to correct posture. I can comfortable work 8-9 hours with it. Try it and feel it for yourself. Your ass will thank you

[@dimitrioskatsaras6566]

Thank you for the review. It is honest and very informative. To be fair, both chairs are of high quality, and you mentioned all the annoying issues. In my case, I have used the Aeron B chair for 2.5 years and now switching to gaming embody, taking advantage of the current discounts. First, the Aeron chair fixed my back issues which wouldn't let me sleep. The lumbar support is phenomenal and I wish it was transferrable to other chairs! But there are a couple of things that made me purchase the embody: - Aeron seat tension: There is high pressure on the bottom area, and this is something to consider. When releasing the tension on the mesh, it doesn't have a great feeling on the legs just because of the plastic and the seat design and length. On the other hand, when the seat is tense, the pressure on the bottom is too high. - Aeron sitting position: Be aware that it doesn't allow any position other than the normal one. While this seemed like a great idea when I was purchasing the chair for home use, it now makes me want to avoid sitting on the chair when I finish work - Aeron arm width: It is configured back and forth and diagonally, not inwards! if you have a smaller chest area, and you really need to have your arms attached to your body (to avoid arm & neck pain) while sticking your back to the back of the chair, it's not possible since your elbows start falling. I have used chairs where the arms can be moved inwards without rotating the arm direction. Despite all that, the mechanism feels highly robust and of high quality. One of the main reasons that I switch to embody, knowing its mechanism is not very smooth when configuring it. - Aeron arm height and size is not very well suited for going under the desk in combination with the seat height, rest of the chair height. All these can become even worse when I add an extra padded seat to tackle the seat tension :( - Aeron extras - Atlas headrest: I have also purchased the Atlas headrest which feels great, but I also removed it for two reasons: a. I found that I want to allow more neck movements during the day, and the headrest's design doesn't let it to go further back (like in the embody atlas headrest) b. In the above-mentioned design, there is a piece of metal that scratches the wall if there is a wall behind the chair. All of the above issues are a combination of the individual's body (also fitness), space and setup, so I would suggest testing the chairs (if possible) and taking measurements of your desk height and the desk/table top's thickness before purchasing. I hope that helps in some way!

[@Unfilterd]

Thank you for your detailed comment and thanks for watching 🙏🏻

[@59FIFTYNEWERA1]

i tried both yesterday! Embody is not worth the price! buut i loved the Aeron! i love the chair and get why people buy it

[@TheFlexXMLG]

why’s that?

[@majorgear1021]

@@TheFlexXMLGIt’s the best chair.

[@DidntDoMuffin]

I mean you can lurk for some good deal on a used one or get a refurb. But yeah way OP.

[@majorgear1021]

@@DidntDoMuffin I couldn’t wait. The Aeron I bought used had a lot of problems, so yesterday I just bought a fully loaded one. I did find a code for free shipping which was a drop in the bucket compared to what I paid total.

[@8motozero8]

I love my Aeron. If you get the right size for your height, the hard plastic edges won't bother you. See how his shoulders are above the back of the chair in his B? I have a C and am 186cm. and the back of the chair is just above my shoulders when I lean back. Aeron is the best chair for seated VR playing with the forward tilt too. 🤙

[@Millicente]

The embody is made with all these moving plastic parts that give it the embody identity. The bending of that plastic which gives the embody its movement is going to cause noise. Unless Herman Miller can defy the laws of physics or change materials to some magic material I don’t see them ever removing the noises while keeping the same flexible movement design.

[@Unfilterd]

Actually, I think the reason of the sounds shown in the video has absolutely nothing to do with the pixelated design or it’s features. It comes from the seat, and is worse when extended. It’s probably solved with some lubricant, but like I said in the video: It should’ve been handled when produced, since I hear alot of people complaining about it, it must be common

[@jensendenton]

@@Unfilterd Nope, the noise is not coming from the plastic parts mainly, but from the meeting points of the fabric/padding and the pixelated boards. The noise is even worse with the Logitech Gaming Embody, as it has an extra foam padding on the pixelated board, under the fabric - and it sqeeks real bad, as it can slide from side-to-side on the plasitc when you move. The original Embody with the rythm fabric sqeeks a lot less, then the sync fabric ones as the sync is very similar to the one on the Gaming Embody. Actually, the revised (since 2022 Q1-2 maybe?) original Embody has the same foam padding on the seat as the Gaming Embody has, and with the sync fabric, it can sqeek the same since - but not that bad like the Gaming version, as the back panel has no padding on the revised original. Obviously your bottom does not move so much as your back - so If someone likes the Embody, but does not want so much noises, then the original Embody is the way to go (I admit that the Logitech one is cool looking, but the original also comes in various colors, though some users stated that the Logitech foam padded backplate is more comfortable then the original - always try before buy! :) ).

[@Unfilterd]

@@jensendenton Thank you for your detailed explanation, it looks like the noise is on every Embody then.

[@jjoohhhnn]

@@jensendenton My haworth fern has a lot of back flex to it, and it's totally silent while it does it. This is decidedly lazy work by HM. They finished the pixelation and decided that ate enough of the engineering budget.

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

​@@jjoohhhnnLiterally stupid

[@majorgear1021]

I’d go with Aeron remastered as it’s quieter and you can adjust it to lean forward. I actually want 2 chairs my 2 desks, I already have a Aeron from Craigslist that has seen better days, so I’ll probably buy a chair for my gaming desk with a gaming PC first, and then another for my productivity desk where I use my MacBook. The embody does look neat, but I think the Aeron remastered is still the best chair for work and play.

[@KuyaArbee]

I got an Embody! sure the "Noise" is there! but honestly... when gaming you have a headset and with Nvidia Broadcast no one is hearing those squeaks which are faint! also the Embody chair is something truly different! and there is a break in period! in which your body will start getting use to sitting on your embody chair

[@buddhabrand1849]

Couldn't care less about noise generation. What matters most to me is comfort and posture.

[@JosephDalrymple]

My primary issue is that it is hard to find an ergonomic chair that supports someone who is 6". I'm 26" from cushion to shoulders, and most chairs have headrests that meet my shoulders.

[@ezenglishwith]

Nothing beats Aeron, I’ve tried every popular chair on the market

[@mungdaal8206]

I ordered aeron graphite alu in my region and you know all of aeron chair in Asia are made in CHINA and the price is around in US store but if you lucky you gonna get the chair that made in USA

[@Unfilterd]

Oh really? Did not know that! Mine was made in Canada

[@orbispictus6127]

Chinese made could be well done but along with that, the product must be more affordable. Sure, we can say they bring the same production line, materials etc to China but if they dont pay their Chinese employees the same wage as in US or Canada then there's no reason for us to pay the same price as Made in USA.

[@yustdream0204]

I tried both in store for like an hour. Embody for sure. Actually I never heard the noise. Mine will be arrive in about 1 week so will see but don't think it will bother me. The problem with Aeron is it is like office chair. If it is for office yea go with Aeron but for my personal room no way. Also it feels too stiff. You definitely want to try it out. People bought Aeron not sure if they tried embody though

[@MatchaMan]

I'm not sure why but my Embody doesn't make any noise. Just a tad bit when switching from lean forward to lean back

[@Alcordor]

Maybe yours is defective 🤨

[@Methysal]

Great review. How tall are you btw? Because your aeron is size B and looks surprisingly bigger than the dimensions suggest on the website. Just trying to decide if i need a b or c.

[@Unfilterd]

Thank you! I'm -+170cm, Aeron size B

[@Methysal]

@@Unfilterd thx :D

[@mikemccormick1624]

An excellent and very informative video. Thanks!

[@Unfilterd]

Thank you so much!

[@michaele8157]

Ill take a tiny bit of noise for extreme comfort.

[@ToniDerAlbaner]

One of the best reviews I’ve seen and trust me, I’ve seen every single one out there so far. Ordered my embody gaming exactly 2 months ago and it will finally arrive in about 30 hours. Words can’t describe how hyped I am . I’ve never sat on this chair ever before so I’m really really curious. I don’t think that the noise is gonna bother me that much tho.

[@Unfilterd]

Thank you so much 👊 I hope you enjoy it, it’s a great chair. There is no “best chair” for everyone, only YOUR own best chair!

[@Transeuterz]

So how it goes??? it really worth it?

[@Unfilterd]

@@Transeuterz In my opinion, yes. It's alot of money, but I always look at a pricetag relatively to how much you use it. If you use it daily, it's worth it for me.

[@ToniDerAlbaner]

@@Transeuterz it definitely is. I was sceptic about it in the beginning but I'm so happy I bought the chair.. I have it for almost a month now. I love this chair. Every time I enter the room im like damn that chair is nice 😅 and knowing that I will have it for the next dozen of years is so nice..

[@antongromov8093]

​@@ToniDerAlbanerHello! What's ur opinion now? Do you still consider this as a good enough chair for you? Still comparing Embody and Aeron with KZbin videos :D

[@trentbosnic]

The Embody has a *huge* design flaw that no one talks about - it rounds your shoulders forward due to the concave back. One of the most important keys to ergonomic seating is keeping your shoulders back and chest wide open, the Embody forces your shoulders forward and keeps your chest closed. This is super bad for your posture, the way to correct it is to put something down the middle of your spine, like a towel or pool noodle, which is an indictment for such an expensive chair. The Aeron promotes keeping your shoulders back and chest open... however I think the Embody is a better chair in basically every other way. I'm keeping my embody, but I have a cushion down my back to promote an open chest.

[@shawnaldqdrumpf3952]

There is no way that herman miller didn't account for this. They spend MILLIONS on R&D to determine this.

[@chunkplunk]

I saw someone rolling a towel over the middle

[@trentbosnic]

@@chunkplunk You shouldn't need to roll a towel over a $2000 chair

[@chunkplunk]

@@trentbosnic you shouldn't be getting funky armrests for $2000

[@trentbosnic]

@@chunkplunk They are the best arm rests of any chair

[@VynZography]

Sad because the reason I want to replace my current chair (IKEA) is because it creaks all the time.

[@Unfilterd]

Yeah didn’t expect it either, aeron is good though

[@VynZography]

@@Unfilterd Sweet thanks for that. I guess Ill get the Aeron.

[@IICAPII]

Never heard anyone like the embodys arms

[@shininngg]

There must be something wrong with your Embody unit. Mine is 1 year old and it doesn’t make ANY noise…

[@Unfilterd]

Thought so too, but like I said in my video: Herman Miller said it's a reasonable amount of noise

[@jklasfjkl]

I'm not sure about that. I've watched and read a ton of Embody reviews and the noise is almost always mentioned.

[@ey5373]

Question, I just got the Aeron and I really just want to buy both but I'm considering returning it. I can't seem to break the habit of sitting in varying position. My question to you is does the Embody still help with back pain lower/upper as well as the Aeron or as close? If so, i'm willing to overlook the noise. If i can sit it in 8-10 hours without real bad pain, I am good.

[@ianspence1234]

Inevitable noise due to design. This critique is well put but embody is certainly a more bio-appropriate design for more people. Noise to me is no issue.

[@jjoohhhnn]

I would love to see you cover the Haworth Fern, I have one and I absolutely love it. It has a very flexible back like the embody but it has more traditional adjustments. imo, the best spec is digital knit, lumbar support, no head rest. Design is totally subjective, but in my opinion the Fern looks better in more situations than the Embody, which has a futuristic/gamer aesthetic. The fern is cleaner and more professional, which is a bit more boring to some but I personally prefer it.

[@Unfilterd]

I am also very curious, was looking into it before purchasing these

[@jjoohhhnn]

@@Unfilterd The availability is terrible in europe, though. I imagine that could be a barrier. Do they offer the full range of Fern's in your region?

[@justsaying8159]

@@jjoohhhnn Had no issues with availability in europe through the official store. But they are not comparable to HM. They only offer 2 years of warranty in Europe, so IMO not really worth it for the premium price.

[@chunkplunk]

I've had the fern for a year and now I'm looking to get the aeron because the fern's shape doesn't align with my back at all so the lumbar support is non-existent

[@kbar11]

WD40 is not a lubricant, it is a solvent. I'd use Ballistol but agree probably shouldn't need on a $1500 chair

[@Unfilterd]

Haha you're right! You got my point though

[@Fedjz]

Nice video! Is the Aeron size B or C?

[@Unfilterd]

Thanks alot! Size B

[@ozpinoy]

These chairs are targeted for the office, where the ambience masks the squeaking. Also if you wanted a bigger seating area on the aeron, just select a size up of your body match.

[@Unfilterd]

"These speakers are made for cinema's where there is always enough sound so beeping noise coming out of the speakers doesn't matter" what is that logic?

[@Noah-rd8xe]

These chairs are like 1600, they're not meant for an office, besides a home office lol. Added to that, an entire office filled with embodys would make the ambient noise louder

[@DonCron]

Aeron it is for me. Thanks :)

[@llothar68]

Herman Miller Aeron is total overpriced. You find the same quality at hlaf the price. I buy chairs in the US$ 800 range and thats where the money peaks with quality

[@Unfilterd]

Which ones do you buy?

[@Sbayo9]

this chair is completely not worth the money they ask

[@gopinathcherukuri1008]

good review.

[@Unfilterd]

Thank you!

[@manleteater1970]

The squeak is like nothing man

[@JariKooll]

Quick question. You dutch?

[@Unfilterd]

Jazeker!

[@rescuehelly271]

Things would fall off, this is a joke for a chair with this price range

[@fisulohi8707]

No excuse for bad customer service from Herman Miller - disappointing. Going to go with Haworth Fern now

[@gotechakash]

I can't stop saying this... You're so 🤌🏼 damn beautiful ✨ cute 🥰

[@Drzzlt]

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