Hero Talents Might Be One Of The Best Features In WoW: The War Within!

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[@HaechiYT]

1:38 min before content actually starts, wtf.

[@cristiany140]

My worry is that at the end we will be force to go to specific combos for competitive. Like it is currently now, we have a giant talent tree but we have few viable builds for competitive.

[@mosbius]

That's inevitable, it has happened since the very beginning of wow back in 2004.

[@aaronash8571]

bro just have fun from your own design , not every talent build should be competitive , might agree to have counter tree for each build would be nice tho.

[@joezar33]

Blizzard should have made full Racial Talents , a Orc Warrior Blade Master , a Human Rogue Pirate , Gnome Hunter can be a Tinker , Death Knight Elven races can be Dark Rangers etc .

[@cristiany140]

@@aaronash8571 i have fun raiding with my guild and doing m+ . I need to have a decent dps to be accepted in the group. And I am not even hardcore since we run heroic and some mythic raid bosses

[@danbowden673]

People forget though, there will always be a 'best' build for fights, but other crazy ass builds might be still very much good enough to get the bosses done outside of world first runs :)

[@ShadowknightEX]

So far I’m probably most excited by these and Delves. (And Earthen). I can’t wait to see what the other hero specs start to look like.

[@leaverpool8059]

Stop hyping sh!t work!! These talents are garbage stuff, warrior is the best example. Work the trees before starting adding stuff... it's also your duty as youtuber to highlight problems and not surf the hype wave...

[@ElCapitanGames]

Make “hero talents” be a different thing than “class flavor”. Dark Ranger is a character. Talents are a build. I shouldn’t have to pick what character I want to be based on the talents I need to have.

[@Kmaitland89]

I'm fine with separating it, BUT we need something to change up gameplay moving forward. Having evergreen systems is nice, until people realize they will be playing their class in the exact same way for 3 expansions. That's not interesting or fun. They can separate the visuals out but keep the system as just more talents.

[@heyyoyoho3113]

They need to reduce active skills. Game was much more fun in legion. People had less buttons to use and pvp was fun tho.

[@Zero-ge4vb]

I remember when people complained about button pruning.

[@alexis1156]

They really don't. People throw around "ability bloat" with little to no context thinking they are a genius while in reality they don't know wtf they are talking about. Enhance, high ability count, literally never felt better to play. In fact almost no spec is worse off than before in terms of gameplay. Are there some abilities that are "bloat" Yea, haunt from affliction warlock is for example, but just saying that high ability count=bad spec just proves that you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about.

[@heyyoyoho3113]

@@alexis1156 First of all i didn't say high ability count=bad spec. And i have a clue what im talking about i reached glad 2 times in the game(i am a pve player). WoW can reach much more people but there is no new players that much because they get scared when they see that much skills in the skillbar. But that is not the deal. Currently im waiting 1-2 hours to find a solo shuffle. Because healers dont wanna play pvp. They can't they got too much cced. They should remove poly, fear etc. skill in the game and just allow slow and stun effects.Look at League of Legends for an example this game has 4 skills and 2 spells totally but the gameplay is fun. My point is high skill count = unfun gameplay experience i hope i can make myself clear.

[@commonsense2108]

So looking forward to the Hero Talents & Warbands. Shared account rep is long overdue...thank you Blizz!

[@ZDogg89]

Hero Spec is definitely a good thing. It creates more uniqueness.

[@matthewpletsch7523]

I really doubt there wont be a "Best" option for Hero Talents. Its more then likely that it wont be a flavour choice. The new talents sound wildly more complex then 1 new ability and a Legendary Power.

[@ElCapitanGames]

I think you’re right. But honestly I was hoping hero classes would be just cosmetic.

[@derkaman123123]

Bffr, everyone will choose the same options after their favorite streamer tells them it’s the best.

[@pressheart64]

Right. And i'll still out damage them with my silly fun build because people think min/maxing hides their skill issues lol@@derkaman123123

[@hypnotic13371337]

We'll see how evergreen this shit is. They either nail it and its cool without pressuring you to get one over the other...... or it'll be PAINFULLY obvious which one is better or they are broken as fuck and instead of nerfing talents to make up for power from Hero points, they just scrap them in the next expansion lol

[@deathbreach3448]

I just want more cool fiery attack spells for my chaos lock. I only get 1 power up an that’s for incinerate an some how that doesn’t seem very Firelord like. I understand it’s for balance sake but chaos locks are actually limited to the amount of spells to cast compared to other specs

[@bemindful924]

A bit worried about adding more active skills to an already full bar. As a Marksmanship Hunter I'm using over 24 active buttons in M+ and this hero talent, as exciting as it might be, will compound on this.

[@hellothere8812]

So far they are all passive abilities

[@GeneralSmolderas]

​@@hellothere8812I think lightsmith paladin has like 1 active ability which is good, I'd rather they have 1-3 active abilities via hero talents and prune or combine some boring abilities classes use

[@Salmon_Toastie]

Dude tell me about it. I’m running out of keybinds and some of them are just straight up uncomfortable now

[@edaumaysol]

If they do stuff like this imo they need to make it harder to change on the fly than it actually is right now. What's the point of class fantasy if you can just change it whenever you want? I don't personally get it but I feel like most of the community is on board so I'm likely in the minority here. I also worry about more class balancing issues. 38 specs or whatever it was just turned to 56.. oof!

[@Anders-B]

I appreciate and share your enthusiasm but it should be noted, blizzards balance team are still under performing and adding new complexity to balance will be a nightmare. Let's see but I imagine there will be weeks that more specs will go from must pick to never bring.

[@KeithFoster-c2u]

thumbs up: this is going to be completely and utterly imbalanced. it just took them 1.5 years to update 4 specs and one of them is still crushing dps even after 3 rounds of nerfs. 30-40% difference in dps from top to bottom. a clear difference in tanking ability to control mobs which has been made very clear in season 3. They can't balance squat.

[@piotrjeske4599]

How hard is it to get in to wow, if you haven't played since MoP?

[@qNa87]

Quite easy, I started 3 weeks ago and feel caught up enough to Explore side interests ingame

[@mathewwells1151]

I don’t care for them turning warriors into lightning wielding Thors…

[@pheodrez9229]

I want new actual active talents in hero talents that u can use as abilities not just passives

[@MrHuntervad]

I hope they also give place to use them aswell, delves are very much welcome, as raids are narrow place in both space and time, mythics are toxic and fast paced (they are not dungeons anymore), pvp is left in the shadows, world content is too easy usually or impossible solo. ps. Delves are the new dungeons to be honest, as in old flavour even with difficulty scalling.

[@Kmaitland89]

I have to ask why you thought hero talents wouldn't be impactful? I assumed they would be somewhat powerful but you mentioned it surprised you that they affect things as much as they did.

[@KeithFoster-c2u]

lol ya it only has "HERO" in the dam name.

[@flak1939]

Hero specs could be really good, but so far the ones teased in full seem sort of mediocre. San'layn should let unholy play like old blood dps spec for example, but instead its just 'vampire procs' which is really underwhelming. Stuff letting specs focus on one thing, but actually making it core instead of just 'sometimes slightly stronger'.

[@edwin4625]

I returned a few days ago. I left just before they introduced the three siblings. The earth brother, fire brother, and the ice sister. I'm playing again, but I'm confused. There's a new item upgrade system, and the main story is all mixed up. I began the story, but I think I started the wrong part. It took me underground with the black dragon brothers and that dark dragon Tauren on my Paladin. Then I switched to my Hunter and began another main quest where the earth brother (of the three siblings) is dead??? The fire brother is crazy, and the ice sister joins the Valdraken. I'm lost. Should I keep playing or just wait for 'War Within'?

[@elcanaldelargan8575]

Hope to be wrong, but right now I see them as kind of boring. A mix between artifact weapons (without the grinding) and the post-pandaria talent system. Also, there is no archbishop for priests...

[@Sleeqzz]

Well in M+ nothing of that will matter, since if they dont balance out the class speccs there will be only one specc to be played. I wish i could play whatever class and whatever specc i want to play in m+ without being bothered to be extremely outclassed by the same class but meta specc. Kinda have my hopes up for this expac but i guess i should stay off retail

[@breakaway716]

Hyper for War Within but lets be real. We all gonna copy & paste talents from Wowhead / Icyveins lol

[@jhonwayne1003]

They need to get rid of all this damn currency. Shit is so confusing

[@ZickZak]

Should have been a cosmetic talents like Priest of Elune etc. Or actual subspecs from other classes. This kinda sucks.

[@NCM89747]

I'm not excited by hero talents at all. With dragonflight, talent systems were brought back as an indication of improvement. Hero talents just seems like a poor, low budget way to expand talents without changing the system they JUST introduced. It feels like another covenant system from Shadowlands as well. However, I am sure you and other content creators alike that are finding things to hype up an expansion are aware of this as well but won't mention it because of obvious reasons.

[@katiesmythe4944]

LOL! Best? All it is is EXACTLY the same as the standard talent trees. It's just more talents after level 71. A 15% damage buff here, a little more AOE, etc. There is absolutely nothing special about the talents and they have ZERO effect on your spec. Really disappointed in it. The only difference is that they are called "hero talents" instead of talents.

[@Aurazan]

Can't wait for it to make the game even more unbalanced just so we lock in whatever is bis and not care about the choice at all again.

[@hellothere8812]

Looks to be all passive abilities which is fine i guess.. but i just hope they look some what cool and not just a simple buff

[@GeneralSmolderas]

Look at the preview they gave for mountain thane warrior. I believe all of them will have vfx

[@johnalvar6566]

Monk!!! When????

[@fullmetalscotsman1306]

Dal I really worry about this in PVP. I'm kind of surprised you are so positive about it, having gone through the expansions with this kind of crap before. They can't balance what we have now. I believe the player base wanted things to go back to basics, but here we go again.

[@StivianK]

my hopes are at a negative 5000 of blizzard delivering anything decent war within just sounds good now because there is nothing competing with it...... but other then that its just hagwash under a bridge really you really think like a bunch of imps whos only goal in life is just to greed more money from you.......like as if blizzard can make anything good anymore when their entire design practices are all about greed, its time blizzard gave some back like people gave to blizzard? dragonflight they made is literaly dragonland off the PBS channel or like Barney is a fine explanation of the whole story behind Dragonflight peanut butter and jelly thats all dragonflight is its sad that all were doing right now even in the story is stalling lmao.......and what warwithin is another Dreanor as if that was a good take on anything... like looking back i literaly regret playing most of these expansions (dreanor, cata, shadowlands, BFA) because all they ever did is waste my time rather than give me anything meaningful to remember about them there was nothing about them that really made me remember just dulled down do this take that and that's it..... very cheesy takes on what once was and me fooling myself that its going to be innovative. We as humans have reached a peak where companies can no longer make games that actually challenge our brains potential..... We will break all your games within 48 hours of release..... the games that release now are ripped and stripped before theyre even played.... to understand full concepts but the concept always falls short due to how amateur it feels once you discover it.... and that is what makes the whole experience feel cheap and people no longer interested and this is what we keep trying to tell Blizzard over and over but they wanna try to cash off nostalgia and disneyland practices. Game companies just wanna put a nice shiny display but with nothing behind just look pretty,.....and theyve hacked looking pretty to a degree where its not even a commodity anymore because anybody can using bots can look pretty its been exploited in many different angles so because something looks pretty yet hold no weight it deserves full prices????.... What if we cut our dollar bills just like gaming companies cut corners will that create a medium? so how to make something more innovative aka meaningful? Hero talens this thing about blizzard and talents lately like you guys have no clue how to make meaningful talents anymore.... looking at the outlaw spec "reworked" literaly the whole spec revolves around 3 talents everything else is useless garbage that should already been added to the class anyways and dont even matter even if theyre there or not thats how pathetic 90% of the "reworked" rogue outlaw talents are. Just give us Wow 2 instead of all these garbage expansions youre leeching money off @Blizzard.

[@DanielGonzalezRGB]

Sad thas this will probably be one spec just doing al the dps and the other doing a lower dps then it would'tn be picked

[@Thrall966]

Welcome to WoW

[@whytho5816]

Waaah people only pick meta *frost having the lowest DPS this raid tier and mythic season but being the most popular spec for mage*

[@TheeAthis]

I never thought I'd miss the old talent system........ : (

[@Mazzacavalli]

You are probably the only one

[@TheeAthis]

@@Mazzacavalli yeah, who wants a simple point system? that's nuts.

[@ShadowknightEX]

@@TheeAthis it made a lot more sense when the level went up to 120 for sure. And was significantly easier to change your talents when needed for sure. I don’t agree with you as a whole but I definitely can see where you are coming from.

[@TheeAthis]

@@ShadowknightEX It's clearly subjective. My stance is simple. Anyone who plays their class well will have specific talents for specific content. The amount of talent builds necessary for that is just down right dumb. If you're an average player, sure, you run 2 talents. Raid and M+. But if you're pushing IO past 3K, lets face it, you'll need far more than that, not counting raid. It's just to complicated imo.

[@Mazzacavalli]

@@TheeAthis hard contenent requires more knowledge, what a terrible game design idea right?

[@lukain9849]

Are hero talents any different from any previous expansion borrowed talents as they become irrelevant upon the arrival of the next expansion? .

[@Zero-ge4vb]

Yes, because most of the things Blizzard are introducing in WW, like Delves, Hero Talents, and Warbands are going to stick around.

[@lukain9849]

@@Zero-ge4vb Even things that stick around become irrelevant , remember Thorgast or Covenants or even garrisons

[@Zero-ge4vb]

@@lukain9849 No. Hero Talents aren't borrowed power like those examples, they're going to be an evergreen feature that will be expanded upon post War Within.

[@KijanaJ]

🌹🌹🌹thank you

[@KeithFoster-c2u]

the ENTIRE thing needs a complete overhaul. these "talents" are not talents. there are only 4 actual choices which are the choice nodes. So, it's not 11; it's 4. the vast majority are passives that change literally nothing about anything a spec/class does. These are bland, boring, half-assed, unimaginative, inconsequential 'perks' that are set-it-and-forget-it that give zero flavor or identification/uniqueness to anyone or anything. Do not let blizzard think this junk is okay to make and what we are looking for. you are only allowing them to be lazy and downgrade the game even more. They've also proven over the last 10 years that they are rather incapable of balancing specs/classes. Now they are adding more and have spoken nothing about balance but only content and EVEN THE FOLLOWING EXPANSION. it's all money to them now.

[@Rikkul3oml3]

Lmao stfu and go play Fortnite

[@brandonneifert3199]

Lol stfu we all know u will play.

[@jamesgames4142]

Down vote.

[@GeneralSmolderas]

Too extreme of an opinion, clearly biased and you didn't even say anything they could do instead. it isn't even constructive criticism, waste of a comment

[@KeithFoster-c2u]

its a comment not an analysis. okay!... besides the advice given above which is to start over entirely because this immediately reminded me of the Diablo 4 awful tree announcement. Here are more that i also stated above but just have to reword for you. actually give us 11 choices and not 4. make them worth while. make them not set-it-and-forget-it. make them class defining. make them NOT almost entirely passive. make them more than matter 1% of the time. at least attempt to balance them. there. also, just go down the comments I am by far and away not the only one. Especially with how "required" so many specs are in raid and needing as many buffs/brez/lust you can get in M+. They have to really put a lot of effort into these things and reworking specs if they don't want to destroy their game. It's already extremely imbalanced. There's a clear disparity in tank and being able to "control" mobs which has been made very apparent in Season 3 of dragonflight as well as a 30-40% dps difference between top and bottom which is HUGE and a glaring problem. they have a TON of work to do with what is out now in retail and they are trying to throw this half assed stuff in the mix in like 7-8 months according to their road map. it just took them 1.5 years to update 4 specs. And one of them has is top damage even after 3 rounds of nerfs. it's a joke. @@GeneralSmolderas

[@arsalanahmed3975]

Hero talents will suck and will be removed in Midnight.

[@aaronash8571]

nah , it's more cool to customize more complexed talent tree.

[@Juggernautdeath2]

Seems like reskinned covenants

[@AkiRa22084]

I prefer borrowed power. Keeps every expansion unique and fresh.

[@elunaxalt]

Why would you want entire systems that just get thrown in the trash after the expansion/patch ends instead of evergreen additions which are here to stay and improve the game?

[@AkiRa22084]

@@elunaxalt Because it makes it interesting. Every Expansion feels like a new game. How are you people not bored of constantly having everything the same? Something being "evergreen" does not mean it's an improvement.