The DISTURBING Postmortem Of Henry VIII's Executed Fifth Wife

[@maryw246]

Henry tried to erase Catherine’s memory and yet, here we are centuries later talking about her with much sympathy and sorrow. How do we remember Henry? We remember him as a cruel tyrant. Game, set, match , Catherine.

[@Lisa-om4it]

Well….

[@laurenanderson61]

That's true of all his wives, really.

[@nohandle62]

She cheated on him. Good riddance.

[@yafayafa9601]

He cheated on his wives also. While he was still getting Anne pregnant, he was already involved with Jane. If Anne birthed a boy last time she was pregnant, she wouldn't be killed. As for Catherine, she was just a naive teenager and he shouldn't have pushed for marrying her in the first place.​@@nohandle62

[@ladyv5655]

​@@nohandle62, he cheated on at least 4 of his 6 wives, so no sympathy.

[@ArtbyKatina]

This constant talk of her and her name being spoken is keeping the memory of her alive. She will never be totally wiped from existence.

[@maryshanley329]

None of us will be forgotten. The Lord said that he knew us, even before we were knitted in our mothers’ womb. We come from the heart of God.

[@njones420]

@@maryshanley329 you mean _people_ said the lord said ... god comes from the minds of men, not the other way round :)

[@Sirianstar10]

Exactly!

[@maryshanley329]

Most of us will, however, be totally lost from all memory. A sobering thought indeed.

[@Sharon-fw9qw]

😂😂😂😂😂​@@maryshanley329

[@rainbowqueen1872]

It is suggested in this video that Catherine Howard’s treatment after death was lacking in ceremony or decency when compared to Anne Boleyn’s. This isn’t true. Anne had no ceremony or funeral either. She didn’t even have a coffin prepared for the event and tradition has it that her ladies had the gruesome job of making-do with an available arrow chest! As far as Henry was concerned, once his spouses were out of sight they were out of mind, especially as he usually already had a replacement (or the expectation of one) lined-up. Allegedly he was broken after Catherine’s betrayal but as always with Henry, these tears were the deluded tears of a self-pitying narcissist.

[@margarettaft2944]

Anne didn’t even have a coffin She was buried in a hastily found wooden packing case. She was buried under the floor of the Tower church. No religious burial ceremony.

[@MissKittyKatify]

Beautifully said!

[@AnnaMack-m1l]

And psychopath.

[@susanlane8803]

Catherine Howard was one of our local girls, and lived not 3 miles from where I live, in a country Manor House. Probably naïve and feckless she was courted by Henry and married hastily not knowing what she had let herself in for. It's well documented that he was at this stage of his life, grotesque, over weight with an ulcerous leg that stunk. She was 17 and awash with hormones and lust for life. Was it any wonder that she strayed. Had this played out now, he would have been a dirty old man who abused a 17 year old!

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

I doubt any story of infidelity or indecency had so much as a grain of truth. The trial was a sham to simply free him to rewed.

[@luckylogger7594]

She was handpicked by her Howard relatives to be placed in front of Henry's eyes as a Lady in Waiting to Anne of Cleves. She had little choice but to marry him. Had it played out in Tudor Times, wouldn't not of been the same as modern times. This was considered an age gap back then, but was a common practise for young girls to marry older rich noblemen, especially if they're kings. She would've likley outlived him if she didn't die giving childbirth, and remarried again as an attractive widow of the Kings. Maybe Culpepper?

[@margarettaft2944]

Most historians believe Howard was 16 or 17 when she was executed

[@Elfrida-ls2mo]

Forgot Mass Murderer and Coward which Henry the 8th was In every way Henrys Dad should never have been King for many Reasons

[@MissKittyKatify]

Yep!!!!

[@maryjackson1194]

The difference in treatment between Anne and Catherine was because Anne was not guilty; her charges were all trumped up because she hadn't produced a son...and Jane was waiting. Catherine most likely was more interested in young men than her old husband.

[@carolinebennett5615]

That’s highly debatable.

[@Roguestatus33]

@@carolinebennett5615it’s not highly debatable at all. His leg was already rotten and smelled horrific when he married Anne of Cleves. He was fat and repulsive by this time. His most likely traumatic brain injury from the jousting accident while married to Boleyn contributed to his nasty behavior. He was reportedly mostly unable to walk by the time he married Howard. He was impotent by this time. How would it be expected that a 17-19 year old was truly attracted to him? Historical scholars have all but proven to the point possible that the allegations against Boleyn were false, for the purpose of his ONLY desire of having a son. Jane was a lady in waiting to both Aragon and Boleyn, so she was waiting in the wings. Anne was not meek and was not quiet about him taking mistresses and planned to have one removed. Anne was well aware of his interest in Jane and there were confrontations in court between the two women. After multiple stillbirths, he lost interest in Anne, because he wanted a male heir and he literally reformed the country to marry her. He granted her a, “more humane”, execution, suggesting that he was most likely aware that she was innocent except for the grave sin of no sons. While we can’t say all of these things for absolute certain, I’m not sure what you would consider HIGHLY debatable

[@AmyEugene]

Henry had Anne crowned Queen to reinforce (or enforce) perceptions of her legitimacy and that of their child because she was pregnant when she was coronated. How he treated her at the end mattered because he had made her Queen and as King he wouldn't want to set a precedent of chopping off a monarch's head and dumping them in hole without a Christian burial. I can imagine that by the time of wife #5s demise, he was no longer concerned about public opinion, there were no powerful supporters of her or her family at court to worry about, and no child from her with a future to think of. He saw her as completely disposable and that's what he did.

[@mattolivier1835]

Haha. Don't cry little Mary.

[@jarvissmith5216]

Partly it was her age and libido at play, but also, maybe she suspected that Henry only wanted a son (or he made that clear to her in no uncertain terms) So, she may have, in naive desperation, thought she could produce an heir via "surrogacy' with a willing courtier and pass it off as Henry's. There's a wild theory that Anne may have tried the same tac, hence all the allegations of adultery even with her brother (which would've carried Boleyn genes and not potentially resemble anyone at court) It's a complicated mix bag of things. Henry was desperate by this point and likely may have unconsciously suspected his fertility days were numbered, hence the scramble to find a young wife. He's still a monster, but so also were all the courtiers circling the drain for his power. That too adds to his paranoia and vile behavior.

[@ALICE-m8f]

Henry was definitely a abuser of women ,a narcissist and maybe a serial killer. He treated women badly with emotional and mental cruelty. Even his daughter was sent away after her mothers execution because I couldn't stand the sight of her poor Elizabeth was neglected by the king her own father who took away her mother. Mary another daughter was also treated the same way after Henry divorced her mother before he took Anne boylen as his next wife. Henry had a very bad track record with women.

[@AnnaMack-m1l]

He was a psychopath.

[@martynsmith5794]

I love the comment that DNA testing was never carried out; wasn’t this a Victorian exhumation? DNA testing didn’t come about until around 1984….

[@bonnieabrs1003]

QEII refused any further tests on the bones of those buried in that church.

[@peterjameson321]

​@@bonnieabrs1003The lime would probably have destroyed any remaining DNA anyway.

[@andrewd7586]

DNA? Do Not Ask..eth!🤣🤭

[@pompommania]

@peterjameson321 like you, I thought lime destroy bodies expose to it, but it has the opposite effect.

[@straingedays]

What Henry VIII "allegedly" ordered done to Catherine is the disturbing part, and speculation persists on why he wanted her body erased and forgotten. Henry by then was a tyrannical psychopath who'd executed thousands, yet Catherine was to be dissolved with quicklime after a shabby burial ?? IF true, it's a diabolical fate in their highly religious era.

[@robertstorey7476]

She humiliated him.

[@robertstorey7476]

@@anjafrohlich1170 She conducted an affair under his nose that was known about by other members of the court before Henry.

[@traczebabe]

religion had nothing to do with it. kings/queens used God to excuse their hideous behavior. this included many “religious” leaders. those who were chosen for the position were very deliberate, so they would go along with whatever crazy ideas of royalty. the same exact things happen today, they use other things besides God to make their atrocities sound as if they have only good intentions. which they don’t. those today are as bad as henry, no matter the country. if henry had followed God he wouldn’t of done anything he did. just as those today if they followed God, the laws & policies they wouldn’t be doing what they are.

[@janel.8921]

I believe she was also condemned for having premarital sex too.

[@georgechristoforou991]

quicklime does not dissolve bodies but rather dehydrates them and preserves them.

[@theresalaux5655]

I cringe every time I hear about her execution. I wish she never would had married the king!😮😢

[@JeanBray-cj3lu]

Her uncle Norfolk drove her to marry Henry, telling her she would have a rich life.

[@jamessanders8895]

If the king of the country you live in asks you to marry him, how long do you think you would live after telling him no?

[@lotlot]

She’d have been put to death if she’d refused him

[@lotlot]

@@JeanBray-cj3luThe Duke of Norfolk was a Howard, they were hungry for position and power. Anne Boleyn was Catherine Howard’s cousin, Norfolk had also pushed the Boleyn girls (his nieces) forward to the king, for the same reason.

[@mattolivier1835]

But she did! She made a bad choice. Haha.

[@maryadawkins9905]

Henry the VIII was a monster! All his wives were treated so terribly by him, they all deserved better.

[@mattolivier1835]

Haha. Maybe they shouldn't have messed with a king.

[@marthamunion1500]

@@mattolivier1835they had no choice.

[@ianmorris4922]

Treated badly,not a monster.

[@luxste]

I find it interesting that the people who jump in to defend Henry are often men. It's disturbing.

[@chilloutcentral2097]

@@luxsteI’m a man and I state the obvious, that the Tudors were monstrous tyrants or basically international terrorism sponsors. Francis drake was basically a state sponsored terrorist or pirate.

[@mareecarlick3467]

Henry VIII used & abused women.. Just like any man did in that time, but Henry was cruel how he went about it... Katherine Howard was just a nieve child & you cannot help but feel sympathy for her !

[@heathermathews1872]

I take solace in the fact that he was the cause of his problems, not his wives. Everyone now knows that Henry VIII just couldn't muster a Y chromosome. Well, no more than one anyway.

[@thehowlingmisogynist9871]

Even the poor serfs in the fields?? Did they us and abuse rich, titled women??

[@nerfnerfification]

Not quite she got a reputation while single for entertaining all and sundry on the quiet while in her Aunts household. The really interesting thing this halfwit did not mention was that it was George Bolyn's wife, who gave testimony against Anne Bolyn, who also helped Katharine Howard meet with Culpepper in secret. Henry was so pissed at her that even though she went completely mad while imprisoned in the tower, he got the commons in Parliament to pass a bill saying it was legal to execute insane people and did just that with her.

[@pepsiyummie1]

He had the power that made it so much worse.

[@MissKittyKatify]

@@thehowlingmisogynist9871well being a woman in those days wasn’t a ball, rich or poor. The poor population were under servitude under the rule of land owners and had very little rights and fun.

[@Suejd1001]

I am so sad for this poor girl.

[@siobhancurtis1660]

None of the portraits used in this video are of Katheryn Howard, since none survived from the 1540’s for the very reasons you stated here: total eradication of her existence. If you have time take a look at the recent research which suggests high probability that one of these portraits is of Elizabeth Seymour who married the son of Thomas Cromwell, and another one is now thought to be of Anne of Cleves (the portrait in the collection of the Duke of Buccleugh and the version in the Royal Collection). Also, the Chapel of St Peter in Ad Vincula had the floor dug up because it was sinking and there were serious concerns it might collapse onto the vaults below. Queen Victoria didn’t really want the graves disturbed but it was a necessity for structural safety reasons. Any remains had to be reinterred ASAP and have never been disturbed since. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that the Victorians should have carried out DNA testing! But that’s what it sounds like from your narration.

[@mads7710]

that’s not necessarily true, whilst we struggle to fully confirm portraits of Howard we have found Holbein portraits with the Howard family that are presumed to be her and have portraits of a woman who fits the descriptions we have of her, wearing the queens jewels and proper wardrobe for the period.

[@suellensheppard9734]

Henry was a pervert.She was a child 😢

[@MarkFinnegan-h8k]

No elaboration necessary, but... ?????????????

[@alanandrew5279]

Probably not by the standards of that time 😢

[@cdeford2]

No she wasn't. She was 17 when they married and even if an affair had started earlier she still wasn't a child. 14 was the accepted age of adulthood. Our age of adulthood is entirely arbitrary and is not a 'fact'.

[@PrincessPetticoats]

@@cdeford2 She was s*xually a*used at 12 by her music teacher, she was very much a child.

[@jasminebarratt1809]

@@cdeford2 I hope your are not saying it is acceptable for a grown man to be having a relationship with a 14 year old. At 17 she was a child compared to him. I'm not convinced that emotional boundaries are a modern invention.

[@joshuafess4295]

The mere fact that Viscountess Rockford could’ve entertained being a liaison with helping her mistress she knew she was playing chess for life and death when the main player was the mercurial Henry 8

[@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7d]

I think you may mean Lady Jane Rochefort, wife of the executed George Boleyn. Nothing to do with The Rockford Files.

[@camillagailani6609]

Wrong again, Lady Rochford.

[@southbug27]

@@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7dI bet the phone autocorrected to that & he didn’t notice. If gotten texts from family asking what I meant by & then a few crazy words where the phone autocorrected to complete nonsense without me noticing. I’d love to have a list of all those cause there have been some hilarious ones over the years.

[@ginaandseason2774]

You are not forgotten katherine

[@chroniclesoflaura]

The problem with teenagers is they think they’re invincible. They literally lack the prefrontal cortex to process consequences. I know I was terrible at that age and would have probably met the same fate. Her only crime was she was young. Very sad. I do hate Henry 8th. I often daydream about bringing him here to this time and telling him some home truths!

[@privatecitizen1246]

um, no, her crime was that she had an affair, and that's considered TREASON when you're the king's wife.

[@eddarby469]

I can assure you he has already faced judgement more extreme than anything you're likely deliver.

[@Tugela60]

A medieval teenager was an adult. They were NOTHING like modern teenagers. The average adult did not make it past their mid 40s. That means while half lived longer, half did not. It was NOT like modern society where people rarely die before they start to experience age related conditions. A medieval teenager would have been functioning as an adult in society and would have been well aware of expectations.

[@Jean-PierreGrenier-yl3wp]

@@Tugela60 Considering that girls menstruated much later than today, I would say that, biologically, there were barely starting their adolescence at 19. Maybe society treated them like adults at 19 - heck you would get married at 15 or 16 - but human biology has not changed that much and the brain of adolescents is still not mature until mid-twenties. this has been demonstrated by neurologists.

[@Tugela60]

@Jean-PierreGrenie They started adolescence at the same time people do today. By the time they became teenagers they were already doing their adult professions and were treated as adults. A teenager in medieval times was a lot more mature than those of today, they had to be or they would not survive. It is completely wrong to view them as us in old fashioned clothes. This argument about brains not being fully mature completely misses what that actually means. It is an exponential process, not a linear one. Most of that development happens right at the beginning, at around 11-12, and very quickly falls off after that. By the time you are 14 you are already 90% completed with that development. What follows after is very minor. That is a big part of why teenagers are so rebellious...they are essentially already adults but society treats them like children, consequently they fight against that.

[@stephaniemabee2830]

Quick lime actually slows down decomp so I think they may have just missed her body during the initial exhumation. She may have been buried a bit more north than the other bodies.

[@Jean-PierreGrenier-yl3wp]

Doesn’t quick lime, with its high pH (very alkaline), saponify all fatty components, including those in a body? That would certainly remove the soft tissues rather quickly.

[@theredbaron5117]

Tell us you don't know what quicklime is without actually telling us you don't know what quicklime is.

[@LillianGriffin-zj8ut]

Anne Boleyn Talking to Henry the eighth: Poor Catherine Howard, She lies. They’re in the cold ground next to me. That poor child, It was not her fault either. But we were like moths drawn to the flame, and burned.

[@colinglen4505]

Henry was a monster!

[@lianefehrle9921]

She actually didn’t get removed from the face of the earth. She went to dust into the earth.

[@billhughes8726]

Good grief. It's an expression ..ok?

[@MiriamaJohnson]

All his wife's will never be forgotten rip beautiful young queen

[@westaussie965]

Plain, not beautiful, if these paintings of her are accurate

[@elisabethblackwood3921]

Poor Katherine, she didn't deserve her end

[@katrinabeeker4543]

Nope definitely not, like I’ve sed to my family , he cud of just divorced her and thrown her out to the streets, not that , sick heartless man he was

[@stephenselby4252]

No post mortem. Just talk. 15 was a normal age for marriage at that time and many girls were married to much older men by arrangement. Sad but true.

[@louv3347]

Henry VIII was England's greatest serial killer. Why was he able to do this? Just because of the family he was born into, he was given absolute power. What a shame.

[@JayceeWedmak]

That was mid 1500's and things were very different. I reserve my concern for recent times. What a shame. 😔

[@mattolivier1835]

@@JayceeWedmak Not much different than today girl. Wake up!

[@Sirianstar10]

How sad. We haven't forgotten her, though.

[@justinneill5003]

I’ve always found Henry VIII to be a walking contradiction. He clearly considered himself a Christian; he tried hard to persuade the Catholic Church to grant him a divorce, so it must’ve mattered to him that his second marriage would be recognised and blessed by the Church. He then established the Anglican Church with himself at its head, effectively to grant himself the divorce. And yet, despite being a Christian and understanding the implications for his soul after death, his life was a trail of blood, terror and tyranny which he must’ve believed would carry the ultimate punishment in eternity. More evidence of his increasingly unbalanced state of mind, I suppose.

[@susanmorgan8833]

Any marriage had to be recognized and blessed by the Church for any child of the union to be a legitimate heir for Henry's throne. Also, Henry was quite sure that he and the Lord were in perfect agreement about everything, so it's very likely he did not regard any of his actions as being other than right and proper, much less sinful. He was ready at one point to have his 6th wife hauled to the tower for simply disagreeing with him.

[@justinneill5003]

@@susanmorgan8833 Good point about his heir's legitimacy, I hadn't considered that aspect. Monarchs certainly believed in their divine right as God's representative in their own realm. It does give a kind of warped logic to his actions, making himself head of the Church to overcome the remaining hurdle in his way.

[@v.britton4445]

You mean what was done with her body..a post mortem is usually a medical procedure.

[@annettefournier9655]

Post mortem literally just means after death. You are referring to post mortem examination of human remains. Slang shortens this .

[@idagenova7519]

@@annettefournier9655 We often refer to "the party post mortem" in our family!

[@JM-zk9ou]

It's an analysis after something has ended. In business, we do post mortems of projects or incidents after they're done.

[@sarah-michellejenniferking9753]

I don't think they had that back in Tudor times to be honest. 😅

[@LouisaWatt]

The term literally just means “after death” Post = after Mortem = death It can refer to a medical examination or simply what happened to the body after death.

[@annematten7218]

There are no known pictures of Catherine Howard. All pictures shown are of other people, or are of unknown orogin.

[@James-ow7qi]

If a post mortem was carried out today ,the cause of death would be undetermined,

[@joiedevivre2005]

"Postmortem" simply means "after death" - meaning what happened to her following death. You are thinking of a "postmortem examination" that is sometimes shortened to just postmortem. The word "postmortem" can refer to anything that happens after death, not just an autopsy.

[@thevocalcrone]

You forgot to mention by the time he married her, he wasn't just grossly obese and a tyrant, he had a wound on his leg that needed daily washing and that stank, because it was continuously oozing pus. He was a real catch for any young teenage girl.. not...

[@margaretbrazear6229]

It may be true that, for whatever reason, Henry sent for a swordsman from France to cleave the head from the shoulders of Anne Boleyn, but let us not forget that no coffin was prepared for her. After the beheading, Anne's ladies realised that there was no receptacle for her remains and had to hastily hunt for, and make use of, an arrow box in which to place the body of a Queen of England. I think the whole merciful sword idea was Henry's very tiny glimmer of guilt because he knew full well that Anne was innocent of all the charges. With Catherine, it was different. She hurt him as no other woman ever had. He thought she loved him; he even had a special church service performed to thank God for sending him such a wonderful and loyal wife. It was not long after that he discovered she was anything but. One has to pity Catherine, because she was no more than 15 years old when she attracted the attention of the fat, stinking, thoroughly gross and aging King. Poor child did not want to marry him, did not want him anywhere near her. It is reported that people could smell him coming from two rooms away - and those palace rooms are enormous - because of his ulcerated leg. He was obese and likely syphilitic as well. And she was sexually experienced; of course she wanted a young, attractive man. She was foolish, of course, but not to blame. I also pity Francis Dereham who had actually done nothing save have a sexual encounter with a very young Catherine, long before she ever met Henry. But Anne Boleyn is to be pitied more than anyone, to my mind. She didn't want to marry Henry either; she wanted Harry Percy, heir to the Earl of Northumberland, and they had pledged to each other until Henry came along. She was innocent, but not the meek wife he thought she should be.

[@westaussie965]

All heresay

[@robertstorey7476]

Anne Boleyn deserves much more sympathy because Catherine was actually guilty of the crime she was accused of and that crime was extremely serious. A queen having affairs could potentially have disastrous consequences by making the line of succession open to dispute and triggering chaos and civil war. Even so its hard not to have any sympathy for a teenage girl forced to marry a grossly overweight middle aged man with disgusting open sores on his legs.

[@helenafranzen9828]

Wasn´t that the fate of great many women despite of age and class? If as a teen falling in love with some young beautiful man her own age instead of a awful middle aged man, who can blame her? Whatever the circumstances and "consequences" for that age still disgusts me!

[@kathryngraham1231]

It's by no means certain that Catherine and Culpepper did have a physical relationship. If they did, it is open to question whether she gave her consent or was he another in a long line of abusive men in her young life?

[@Robert_Robertson]

*Haaaayyyy!!!!! WATCH your Mouth!!!!* *I am a GrossFatSLob & I have Sores ALL Over My Body!!! So, ShutUp!!!!*

[@DianaRodriguez-jp8dx]

this little girl was 18 when she was murdered...he was a grown ass man. spoiled.. disgusting bastard who if he didn't get his way he killed them.

[@allyjohnson646]

What if Anne Boleyn was actually guilty and Katherine wasn’t? Maybe Katherine’s was just a girlish flirtation, while Anne, desperate for a son, might have tried anything

[@vdimasteremeritus]

Does anyone else think her portrait looks like Scarlett Johansson?

[@MarshaPrice-ss7vt]

No, not even close

[@DianaRodriguez-jp8dx]

I think Scarlett favors her.. after that movie.. girl with the earrings.. I think it's called.. not sure.. but with the headdress.. it does kinda favor Catherine. great eye

[@daxxydog5777]

Every time I see it!

[@scolemsa]

I have been to the actual church in the Tower of London complex and we were told by the tour guide that Katherine’s body was thrown in with her cousin Anne Boleyn’s underground tomb and covered with the Lyme. So not sure ???

[@TraciHoman]

Ann Bolyn was innocent...Not sure about Catherine

[@chickyrogue8485]

Who are we to judge her

[@michaelkennedy8766]

She was a child for goodness sake.

[@allyjohnson646]

And you know this for a fact how?

[@allyjohnson646]

Poor little thing. She must have been utterly terrified, I can’t bear to imagine 😢

[@Elfrida-ls2mo]

Henry the 8th was a Monster and so was his Dad who should never have been made King hiding behind his Uncle as others fought and died for him and the Tudors Also the Tudors had to Pay a Foreign Army to fight for them The only Justice their was never another Tudor King

[@mikereger1186]

There's not much excuse for Culpeper. She would have known what they were doing, and she should have been well aware of the consequences of being caught. It was tantamount to suicide.

[@allyjohnson646]

Unless it was a silly flirtation and nothing more

[@southbug27]

I think the very fact that we don’t know her exact age when he married her & when she was executed means that even though people must’ve felt she was too young for him. 🤬

[@jumaris28]

Poor girl was used and reused at the expense of an old grotesque king 😢

[@wednesdayschild3627]

Cranmer was such a tool. I am surprised he clung to his protestant faith at the end.

[@jamesmilton8765]

Henry knew AB as not guilty but she failed to produce the male heir. The evidence was there with KH, who was a pawn of her Uncle the Duke of Norfolk'. Jane Boleyn acted in revenge for the death of her husband, whom Cromwell had wrongfully accused. Court politics during Henry VIII's reign revolved around greed and influence. He murdered the 70 year old Countess of Salsbury because her Cardinal son criticised Henry from Rome. Henry an egotistical maniac stooped that low, and yet had he not equipped the Royal Navy, Liz 1's England might have been conquered by Spain, or later by Hitler.

[@SallyShockley-n4n]

....well at least the disgusting man accomplished something. He might have ordered more ships to build up the Navy but I recall that Henry VIII was not much of a military leader.

[@larrykelly-kf5pp]

Poor Catherine. A love letter! Wonder if Anne’s remains were treated better because everyone knew Anne had not done what she was accused of.

[@AmamSelih]

What makes you so sure she was entirely innocent tho? I mean, given her reputation at court eveb before the rumors started to spread i wouldn't be too surprised if she had infact done atleast some of the things she was accused of

[@Romdormer]

​@@AmamSelihAs she was famously intelligent, I doubt she'd be THAT stupid!

[@mads7710]

@@AmamSelihare you stupid…?

[@susanmorgan8833]

@@AmamSelih Anne did not have any reputation for being free with her favors. Perhaps you are confusing her with her sister Mary. The only one who confessed to anything was Mark Smeaton, the musician, and he babbled whatever they wanted to hear after torture.

[@AmamSelih]

@@susanmorgan8833 yes her sister Mary's reputation is more credible but still we'll never really know what these ppl who lived almost 500 years ago really did or didn't do.. rumors are just rumors after all

[@JhatemClaasen]

I'm not saying she deserved death, but she was definitely not innocent... she did cheat on him...

[@John-pp2jr]

What post mortem ? Click bait.

[@murphysmom1387]

Post mortem only means examination

[@captainjj7184]

Who are the fathers and brothers of Henry VIII's victims and has any one of them lifts a finger?

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

At least the Headsman did his job in one go. Hard to do with an axe, especially in England.

[@Robert_Robertson]

*WHY esp. in EngLand????*

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

@@Robert_Robertson Because beheading was quite rare here at the time, only really for the nobility, so executioners didn't get a lot of practice.

[@Robert_Robertson]

@@FelixstoweFoamForge*YES!!!! Burning to the Stake, was More PLentiFuLL!!!!*

[@SallyShockley-n4n]

Until Henry came along. He killed a lot of nobility in his later years.

[@haideegonzalez1058]

After I saw a documentary on a virtual autopsy for Henry VIII it was concluded that he suffered a brain injury after the accident from a fall while riding his horse and this explains his erratic behavior. Even though he tried to forget Catherine, her story has endured many centuries which is fascinating, she was definitely too young to be a queen and did not measured the consequences to her adulterous actions.

[@SueCouch-ie3eo]

Post Mortem is a medical autopsy being done my a medical professional. As far as I know she never autopsied, just executed and buried. Video title a bit misleading, sorry

[@LS-er7pf]

Catherine Howard was the fifth wife of Henry VIII. She was probably just a teenager when he chose her to be his Queen; he was more than 30 years her senior. Although the King called Catherine his 'rose without a thorn', it soon became clear that she had a scandalous past - and present. Catherine was found guilty of adultery and executed at the Tower of London in 1542.

[@Robert_Robertson]

*OnLy DeMonics use Bot Names!!!*

[@desmondbrennan3030]

How come murderous Henry 8 gets a ridiculous easy time from history but relatively normal Mary is called Bloody Mary.

[@Craigx71]

Maries atrocities were political, Henries personal.

[@loveclose]

Relatively normal?

[@lindsaywarden1746]

It WASN'T called traitors gate at the time, it was called the water gate, the name traitors gate is a much later term

[@margarettaft2944]

This woman is wrong about many things . For instance Thomas Cromwell was not an Archbishop of Canterbury . He had various jobs and titles. His highest job was chancellor. He was never a priest or bishop.

[@DeeGavaldon]

Question about the DNA testing: We can presume the DNA would be degraded over time and since the royal family married distant cousins, would the DNA results be more than speculative. I would love all identified remains to be tested, I question the assertion that the DNA would confirm the identity with any level of certainty.

[@gizachick]

I sometimes wonder if she purposefully did something to get executed to avoid living with him for years.

[@AmamSelih]

That's actually a really good point😮

[@IreneArcher-yt1kr]

Yep sounds like a Plan, but this Young Queen YOUNG!!!! So Sad Family whom sold their Souls.

[@daxxydog5777]

Most people would have known he was in awful health and wouldn’t last long on this earth, but she was a dumb teenager who probably only thought of her own wants, like we all did at some point. An old fat man wasn’t it.

[@grassfedmilkmomma]

why a postmortem? we know how she died.

[@MarkFinnegan-h8k]

It does seem a little unnecessary!!! ☹️

[@MiriamaJohnson]

Someone looking to be relative 😂.

[@nohandle62]

Medical. Curiosity.

[@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix]

well you know...they just had to make sure..

[@grassfedmilkmomma]

@@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix oh geez!

[@Justificus]

Why would Henry subject himself to the cuckold scandal of Anne, let alone to be made a public scandal of being cuckold once again with Catherine - it makes no sense! He was obsessed with his public image and this twice over public humiliation is beyond reason. Either of his wives, could have had "unfortunate" accidents, sickness, and sudden deaths without the spectacle of a public trial. Suspicious deaths wouldn't equal the sordid details of royal embarrassment and loss of face. Bury the problem quickly - before it starts to stink. Does anyone think that Henry was above that kind of cold blooded solution?

[@elisabethhughes6005]

Henry acted upon rage. He had no self regulation and didn’t care to, he was the king and he ruled supreme. The most delicious of all this is how reckless he was in his desperation for a male heir. He never got his heir, he ruined his reputation for all history, and his daughter became one of the most powerful and beloved rulers who also ended his bloodline. It’s exquisite.

[@Justificus]

​@@elisabethhughes6005 That really doesn't track with Henry's preoccupation with his image. A great motivation for Henry was his lack of a male heir. His entire Privy Counsel constantly reminded him that the idea that either of his daughters becoming Queen was untenable and would place his legacy in jeopardy, internally and internationally. Sociopathic and narcissistic he might have been, but unintelligent he was not. Many historians have given Thomas Cromwell the greater credit for the use of Parliament to further Henry's agenda. As David Starky correctly points out, Cromwell's sole reason for being Chancellor was to carry out Henry's policies without question. All of his actions had to be initiated and approved by the King. So, far from being a rage filled and unhinged monarch, Henry was a calculated individual pushing a Tudor legacy for generations to come. He could be manipulated, he had an unrealistic chivalrous concept of his being King, he was impatient, he was preoccupied with legacy and the historical legacy of his reign, his rule, and demanding absolute loyalty - but that is not the man who goes to public trial with his first queen, allows the public trials of his second and fifth queens - so what caused, what calculation, allowed for this deviation to protect Henry's personal reputation at all costs? That is the mystery - without answers.

[@elisabethhughes6005]

@@Justificus Do you give any weight to the theory of the jousting accident causing a head injury that influenced his later behavior? I never could accept that it was that simple. There were a lot of factors we’d probably never really understand being modern people who have never lived under absolute rule. We probably couldn’t fully comprehend the power because all of us are used to having our own rights. My only real point was how badly things really turned out for Henry in terms of his plans and what actually happened. I just can’t get enough of that monster finally not getting his way.

[@Justificus]

@@elisabethhughes6005 The jousting accident is one of the many theories for Henry's behavior. He was an avid fan and participated in jousting from his earliest years. He could have had CTE (a series of repetitive concussive traumas to the brain) that affects behavior. An American football player with the worst case and damaged brain ever seen (after his autopsy) had never been "sacked" (a violent take down after catching the football) during his entire career. It was the many repetitive, smaller concussions, that produced the extensive damage, and caused personality changes. Then there is the possibility that Henry had at sometime contracted syphilis. The disease can display terrible and gross symptoms in some, and in others, it appears to clear up with milder symptoms. It can lay dormant like the chicken pox virus only to erupt (shingles) later in life. Untreated, syphilis will damage the brain. This might explain why his wives had early pregnancies and births, but miscarriages later on, as they became infected as well, and the disease also progressed in them. Henry was not alone in ruthlessly putting down any opposition or endangerment to his throne. His daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, were serial killers of thousands of people perceived to be threats. This was a standard of the times and considered a necessity to protect the realm and throne. You can't find a single kingdom (the Church as well) where this didn't occur again and again. We find it morally offensive now, but it was in the past, a necessary, and absolutely most effective means to crush opposition to your right to rule. Long live the King - by any means necessary. Woe betide the disloyal and traitor.

[@themermaidstale5008]

I don’t think it’s possible to know who those remains belong to. Both Anne and Catherine Howard died disgraced. There was no ceremony or solemn burial service or markers. Graves were opened and other corpses were added in. Sometimes remains were exhumed and relocated.

[@ladychatelaine697]

The literal meaming of post mortem is 'after death'. It has been adopted as the pseudonym for an autopsy, but that's not its original meaning! So, to title this video as the disturbing post mortem of her is quite acceptable, as it discusses what happened to her body after death. 😳 🇬🇧

[@susancaleca4796]

Where was Queen Jane Grey buried?

[@bonnieabrs1003]

Same church, I believe.

[@KathleenGreer-hk6yl]

Persons who were executed within the Tower and its grounds were usually buried under the floor of the Tower's chapel, St Peter ad vincula. Some were returned elsewhere later when the chapel underwent renovations.

[@Vox-Populi]

The ad that played before this video was for a knife sharpener LOL...

[@luckylogger7594]

Katherine Howard was 18 when she was beheaded. She was 15 or 16 when Henry VIII first noticed her as a Lady in Waiting to Anne of Cleves his fourth wife. Catherine Howard was probably between 17 years old when she married Henry VIII on July 28, 1540. Henry was 49 years old at the time, making him at least 30 years older than Catherine.

[@andrewholdaway813]

Kept waiting for that post mortem

[@feralbluee]

Henry VIII was a horrible man 😡💀

[@Heidinskapur]

Listen to Catherine Howard's Fate by Blackmore's Night.

[@tamaliaalisjahbana6849]

Was Jane Bolyen also executed or punished?

[@billhughes8726]

It was ANNE BOYLEN.

[@williamlane4805]

Mad hatter episodes were excellent. I think the fact he brought his Shakespearian acting skills is what made it so good

[@alexwallace6120]

She was so young and died tragically. Why didn't that young man and her marry, as they called each other husband and wife. Was she forced into her marriage to the King? Did he call her "My Rose without a Thorn" I see how she could of been naive, somewhat innocent but also old to know that her lustful past could come back to haunt her. Remember, yes Henry the 8th,was a tyrant, yet as a King adultery was considered Treason.

[@Jennifer-jn2qw]

He wanted her to be erased, to have never existed. But if not for all the women he murdered, his name would never be spoken. All we know is how evil and controlling he was, and how he manipulated things to his advantage. Centuries later he is hated.

[@georgiefacchinni3429]

Great video thank you. ☮️💜☯️

[@kerryhorwitz4093]

I wonder if you could help me? I am trying to discover how many executions took place during the 45-year reign of Elizabeth I. It is quite simple to find a number for other monarchs, but, for some reason, I can't discover the information about Elizabeth I. The first thing that pops up on Google is simply nonsense. I don't know who wrote it, but there is a prominent spelling mistake and unprofessional writing style, so I don't know why Google decided to choose this post as the one to promote. I have seen other prominent information about Elizabeth I that is ludicrous. For example, one promoted post claimed Elizabeth only had one Catholic executed! Can you help, please? A number (including Ireland) with a citation would be deeply appreciated. I have the cheek to ask this of you as you might well have a reliable reference as part of your work for this channel. I hope you can help.

[@Robert_Robertson]

*How Many WoMen, Got Torched by King James???*

[@dougieranger]

Liked and subbed. Very interesting.

[@iamcarbonandotherbits.8039]

Imagine for a moment, living everyday of your life on the whim of someone else's mood. Those people who set themselves up in the Royal Court, just to be near the seat of power must have been sociopaths with a death wish.

[@Tugela60]

Did they manage to determine the cause of death?

[@Robert_Robertson]

*MorRon!!!*

[@daxxydog5777]

😂

[@Tugela60]

@Robert_Robertson Glad you were able to inform us what you are. It must have been really difficult for you to form the word.

[@OswaldoLafee]

Mel brooks said it best: “it’s good to be the king…”

[@Lizb325]

Oh, Stop. One of the definitions of postmortem is a discussion of an event after it takes place. It's not click bait. I liked the video. I thought she did a wonderful job of explaining what happened to that poor young girl after her execution. Most people know she was beheaded, but they don't know what happened to her after. It's a sad story.

[@trevorroberts-o7q]

So where's the DISTURBING Postmortem then ? Clickbait once more. Come on KZbin sort out these wasters of our time.

[@joiedevivre2005]

I think dumping a brutally murdered teenage girl unceremoniously into a shallow grave & then covering her with quicklime to dissolve her remains is pretty disturbing.

[@trevorroberts-o7q]

@@joiedevivre2005 Yes. Henry VIII was a pretty disturbing person. The stuff of which nightmares are made. I would be fascinated to have met him . I would not like the experience though. He was also , I think, a great coward as he let & made others perform the atrocious executions that he ordered . Never present himself at these horrific events.

[@stephaniegilcher4577]

Post mortem means after death. What happend to her body after execution. Geez louis...

[@alexbowman7582]

Henry having syphilis has been conveniently airbrushed from history, why?

[@Solitude11-11]

I don’t think it has? I’ve read for many years that he probably did have it.

[@nouralyneboudefa8148]

what an unlucky poor child !

[@chubbybrain]

She was a manipulated child. Henry was a beast.

[@SusanneButler]

The title is misleading

[@stephaniegilcher4577]

Post mortem means actually after death... so the title is correct

[@lynncrawford7337]

Omg please people try to keep your so called outrage in perspective , Henry only killed 2 wife's Ann and Catherine, the rest passed on their own . As for his cruel behavior it was common of the time . The only job a king has is to rule and make male children, as the only job of his wife is to be his help mate and have children ( male ) if God willing . It's silly to view history in the over sensitive views of today ! He was like any king Supreme being, absolute ruler and often at times tyrannical and cruel. I think we need to keep in mind how desperate he needed a male heir whether your feminine feelings are hurt by that fact it means nothing to history .I can guarantee you that he is not rolling over in his grave upset that you all hate him. Nor would he have cared if you were alive at his time. stop reading the feelings of today into history.

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

Compared to other rulers, Henry wasn't especially cruel. I mean, her could have had Anne B burned for treason, but he granted her beheading by the sword, with a proper executioner as opposed to an English amateur. I'm not saying he was a nice man, or not cruel, but Vlad III by comparison, disemboweled his own supposedly unfaithful mistress wiht his own hands. Henry was an ill, scared, obese, and cognitively damaged old man by this time, who could trust no one. As for Catherine Howard? dDd she just flirt a bit too much, or had she been unfaithful? We'll never know.

[@Robert_Robertson]

@@FelixstoweFoamForge *CatHow was aWor . re!!! I Hate Censorship & Can't use Honest Words !!!*

[@khankrum1]

A tyrant who should rot in hell

[@woodspirit98]

I love how they use the words, led astray.

[@trudymaenza9672]

😢😢poor girl

[@debbierowley8833]

Brutal times.....Poor Catherine, as children we make mistakes, our elders are supposed to advise and guide us, not force us into marriage, and then execute us when we don’t attain the standards they require.

[@vanessarayfox]

These would be a lot more interesting if you re-recorded the parts where you stumble over the words & left out the long pauses.

[@Roguestatus33]

Offer your services to edit the videos for free

[@borleyboo5613]

And the horribly audible breath inhales between sentences.

[@maytearchilla4319]

These poor women were all abused be it mentally or physically by their husband's and fathers. Women in this time had no say in who they were to marry, no land or money. They could be physically and verbally abused and Noone did or said anything. Imagine being forced to marry the biggest abuser of all. 😢

[@SofiiGolding]

History was full of brutality against people. I mean really. It’s still happening today. Catherine orpretty much any of Henry Viii wives weren’t really in control of their own lives. Anne of Cleve’s got off easy. She was the only one, pretty much. Anne Boleyn had a nicer execution with a sword but the poor guys who were also beheaded were most likely just scapegoats. Honestly. Anne did make the king wait years then nothing happened but she did give England Elizabeth I. That’s saying a lot.

[@elisabethhughes6005]

Desperate Henry discarded damn near everyone in his cutthroat striving for a male heir. The difference in whether the woman lived or was executed had everything to do with how high her status had been previously. Catherine of Aragon was a Spanish princess, can’t piss off Spain. Anne of Cleves’ family was too powerful, couldn’t cross them either. But who he could safely make an example of, he did. And for all that, we remember him as an @$$hole, he suffered considerable pain in old age. Corpulent, bald, seething and impotent. Then his daughter became one of the most famous monarchs of all time, and then ended his bloodline. Except for all the evil things he did, the whole story is kind of glorious.

[@SofiiGolding]

@@elisabethhughes6005 Henry Tudor was an usurper. We don’t know if Richard lll was actually that bad. Shakespeare was part of the Elizabethan court. Lots of whitewashing there. I bet he was the pseudonym of Edward de Vere. Seriously only a noble with a lot of experience could have written all those plays, sonnets etc re court life. It’s in a lot of documentaries. I doubt very much the son of a glove maker could have done all that. I mean… really??

[@StephanieOrtiz-u3t]

This poor young woman .We remember he failed.

[@ObiRoad]

Click bait - Repetitive, barely informative and no post mortem.

[@galaxylover135]

Katherine was 15 when she died

[@Robert_Robertson]

*YOUR THeory!!!!*

[@tdecker2937]

Why would anyone willingly marry a king when the wives before met their death by execution?? He was an awful king as well as husband

[@barbara1407]

Pressure would have been applied to her by her family, in order to increase the family prestige by a Royal marriage. She would have had no say in the matter, in those days.

[@A5xxxxx]

It really didn't matter if the women/girls were willing or not. They had no choice

[@Roguestatus33]

Women didn’t have the luxury of choice

[@christajennings3828]

Only one had been executed. Divorced Beheaded Died (in childbirth) Divorced Beheaded Survived He still wasn't an attractive proposition.

[@margaretrobertson-mi2iz]

Norfolk was as evil as Henry!

[@georgechristoforou991]

Quicklime preserves corpses rather than dissolves them

[@billhughes8726]

Not true.

[@Babyluthi]

Anne and Catherine were cousins.

[@ravenclaw8975]

You say that her body was discovered during the Victorian restoration of the Chapel and, that no DNA testing was undertaken. DNA testing would have been impossible during that period. Could you, or someone in the chat, please elucidate and let me know if I missed something. Other then that, a very interesting video and well-narrated. I've given you a like and have subscribed to your channel.

[@jenniferharrison4178]

Sadly Catherie knew the rules, but did not uderstand that they applied to her. how ol ws ebry when her

[@Robert_Robertson]

*Wut is==> ol ws ebry???? Is that Ebonic TaLk????*

[@janicecampbell2715]

Allegedly cheating?!? She was literally caught in the act.