Hidden Messages in Hazbin Hotel

[@FlowerMama23]

Recently, I watched Saberspark's new H.H. video, and he made a strong point about how both Adam and Charlie's characterization mirrors the Seven Deadly Sins (Adam) and the Seven Capital Virtues (Charlie).

[@obsiangravel]

​@ville__git good then loser.

[@nathanielmartins5930]

Seven *Heavenly* virtues.

[@Llama.Rider_xoxo]

@ville__bro, you have over 200 subs, and ur vid is literally just you stepping on a pride flag, happy birthday but don’t lie abt ur subs bro💀

[@LathropLdST]

​@ville__I care not about my birthday, much less about a whiner's b-day...

[@thepeanutlord507]

Ignore the its my birthday and I got no subs guy its probably a bot.

[@ViridianCrisis7]

I love the show but man does it need more than 8 episodes. We don’t have enough time with the characters to care when they break into these great musical numbers. Carmilla starts singing about protecting her kids when she’s been on screen for 5 minutes tops

[@princessravendiamond4288]

Vivzie has basically said that the season is so short and fast-paced because it was unknown if the show would be successful enough to be renewed. Fast forward to shortly after the season finished and it's so popular that Amazon greenlights season 2 & 3. The pace will slow down significantly and season 2 will really focus on each character's past

[@reyfan011]

I like that the show doesn’t just say oh ‘heaven is bad, but hell is actually full of good people’. Which isn’t the case. Hell in the show is still full of evil people who deserve to be there like Valentino. We see that Adam and lute, even though they’re angels, are like the worst kinds of people who do hateful things in the name of religion, and feel just because they go to church and can quote bible verses that means they’re superior to everyone and anyone who doesn’t believe them is wrong. But heaven also has angels like Emily who has such a kind heart and empathy for others that she is excited to welcome Charlie to heaven and believes in her cause. She was shocked and disturbed by the extermination, even calling the sinners, innocent souls. Being so kind hearted that you can’t stand to see even demons be slaughtered. And the fact that no one else in heaven knows, it shows that if kept a secret, it’d because the other angels would be horrified. Adam and his exorcists don’t speak for heaven. I hope we learn more about ‘what we don’t know’ that sera says as to why sinners can’t be redeemed and welcomed in heaven

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

I really like that at the end of season 1 you could already see a change in Lucifer, sincere supporting Charlie in her dream and helping her rebuilding the hotel. I'm excited to see how he'll interact with everyone in Season 2, now that it looks like Luci will be living in the hotel and playing a more active role in the main cast.

[@estebangutierrez160]

Funny. Reminds me of the show Lucifer.

[@Pleia_Ds]

folks forget it's ok for a show to just be "okay"

[@Pamela-dv7gb]

Some show can get better whit time too (I still thinks it’s amazing already)but some of best stories will come later and that’s sure

[@thewitchykitty5789]

To me this show really calls to mind the messed up class system in the us, and how heaven reflects the rich and their hypocrisy and need to maintain power over others, and hell being the poor and homeless who people especially more higher up look down on and tend to think 'oh they must have done something to deserve the position they are in' when in reality a lot of people are in those positions because of things completely outside of their control. And I think Hazbin ultimately is trying to teach us to have empathy for these people and that they are deserving of compassion and a chance to have a better life.

[@jacqueshardin4601]

As someone who was raised Mormon, seeing naughty queer demons in both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have humanity and personality was revelatory to me. My main takeaway from both shows is that even if Hell is forever, you do not have to face Hell all by yourself. And it is still worth it to mend relationships with the people you wronged even if Heaven is not an option. Of course, I love that Hazbin Hotel specifically is playing around with Disney tropes, archetypes, and themes but for an adult audience. Charlie is a literal Disney princess in Hell and has a girlfriend. Alastor feels like a Disney villain in the role of an anti-hero, and he is currently acting as a convenient ally for our protagonist, as far as I can tell. And Velvette feels like an influencer version of Cruella de Ville, which I adore.

[@rubyy.7374]

I like to say “if people go to hell for something as simple as being gay, I’d rather be in hell” lol.

[@sleepydemon516]

@ville__ good, you make comments about how good animal abuse and cp are on several videos. you genuinely suck.

[@nubbylittlecat1753]

“You don’t have to face hell by yourself” 💀 you realize real hell isn’t like this right? You’re not going to be able to have relationships in actual hell.

[@jacqueshardin4601]

​@nubbylittlecat1753 Actual hell? Seriously? Look, I stopped believing anyone who claims to know what lies in store after death ages ago.

[@RukoHanaji]

@nubbylittlecat1753 if you want to be technical, "real actual Hell" doesn't exist in either the Old or New Testament. Sheol, translated as Hell in the Old Testament, simply means the grave. Gehenna, translated as Hell in the New Testament, was an area outside city walls where garbage and criminals' bodies were burned and where lepers were forced to live. If anything Hell is truly the spiritual state of separation from God and inability to experience the love of God.​@@nubbylittlecat1753

[@black-shadow-eclipse]

I loved the first season, but I do hope they get more episodes for season 2, so that they can tell the story they want to tell and focus on all the character!

[@Seanpugs10]

Unfortunately there'll only be 8 episodes again for season 2

[@ZoeHerron-hf7zt]

When husk started singing the first time my family collectively made a sound of shock.

[@cryptic_sunflower]

The hazbin universe also kinda feels like the kind of universe where profanity makes sense? It’s hell, the people who are there are there for bad reasons. Also I often feel like the profanity has a point considering it often comes out when the characters are angry, emphasising a point or just have a really strong emotion. And that works

[@youwhat6624]

What you mentioned in how christianity keeps getting explored in shows and movies by treating it like a mythology brought to mind things like the norse and greek deities. These were gods in which people belived at some point in history but nowadays we just see them as myth and their stories can be found all across media. With this in mind, the christian religion geting the same treatment seems like a natural evolution tbh

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Honestly, I am surprised that you didn’t mention the parallels between Lucifer’s offer to Charlie to run her hotel and the temptation of Christ in the wilderness - just as Satan offered Christ the kingdoms of the world in exchange for worship, Lucifer offered all the luxurious amenities of the world to her in exchange for partnering with him: and yet, like Christ in the wilderness, she turned down the offer of “champagne fountains and caviar mountains” and instead requested a meeting with the authorities of Heaven to save souls. It really says something about this universe when a literal hell spawn is the only person who believes in salvation for the souls of the damned…

[@soch144]

I noticed this too! I'm kind of surprised hardly no one ever talks about it much.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

@@soch144 I know - I am yet to see anyone even acknowledge it besides yourself.

[@adelcipher5617]

First we get black butler video and now Hazbin, you're on fire!! Also Hazbin is great and was definitely worth the wait.....I hope they'll only make it better in the second season

[@kikidarlingart]

I am a simple lady. They post, I like the vid. Simple.

[@Nella_nova]

True

[@radvelvetcakez]

​@ville__Aww there you are again! Stop hiding from me in comment sections dammit

[@radvelvetcakez]

@ville__ Your birthday is three days long... Low-key impressive dude

[@radvelvetcakez]

@ville__ sure

[@birgitteandersen5886]

I really like the aspects of accepting yourself as someone who is not special, but you're not alone. A good person doesn't mean you are better than others. It reminds me of the Good Place. Love that show. Also, my favorite song is "You didn't know."

[@elizabethclover2230]

Exactly, the whole show reminds me of the Good Place and Good Omens. And anime shows such as Panty and Stocking, which have some not so standard or pure angels and pose interesting situations.

[@theaustralianviewer8838]

As someone with religious trauma Hazbin hotel and Good omens are my therapy 😅

[@AeroQC]

What is Hazbin Hotel to me? One long-a$$ earworm 🎵👂🪱 with its selection of catchy tunes. I've been having beats from 'Respectless', 'Loser, Baby', 'You Didn't Know', and 'Out For Love' stuck on loop in my head, for the past few days. 😅

[@legendre007]

Oh, this is the first time I heard a KZbin video point out the similarities in premise between _Hazbin Hotel_ and _Paradise Lost_ . The only other epic I know of where the audience roots for the Luciferian rebellion against a corrupt Heaven is _His Dark Materials_ . I am surprised this has not been brought up more often. 🤔 Good analysis. 😊

[@ShadowLightMewEndlessOceanMew]

Both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are so awesome to me. Relatable characters & stories, breaking taboos, making certain topics approachable etc. I can't wait for season 2 but i shall be patient, especially since we know more Helluva Boss is coming

[@moistsquish]

Side note i recently found out valentino squeeks when he gets upset esp when we are first introduced, long story short Val is a moth and moths squeek so they added that in

[@Alina_Schmidt]

Yeah. The smartest take on Hazbin Hotel I encountered so far. Thank you so much.

[@xxkori123xx]

As a huge Hazbin fan, I'm pleased to have you talk about it. Especially since I've always thought your voice sounds like Angels at times.

[@soram7549]

as a christian i ABSOLUTELTY LOOVVVEE hazbin im so obsessed i... never have enojoyed an indie series and musical as much as this show... as an artist i really appreciate the effort everybody put into this show from the story board writers to the musicians to the broadway voice actors... I LOVE ART! truly am grateful for everybody who worked on it... i wish one day i could be a part of it

[@Dinopop]

Unralated to the video I just discovered that I can watch videos in window overlay! I can watch your videos more calmly while doing multitasking

[@user-id6po7lw2o]

What's the fanfiction that merges all religions called? It sounds fun.

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think it's just the "Gods and Demons" wiki but I'm not sure. There could be more than one.

[@skelebeee]

I just finished watching hazbin hotel after being a little pessimistic about it (saw some not so great things about the creator and how she treated some staff and saw another about how the show wasnt all that great because of technical stuff like songs, character design, etc. and their personal preference) but I was pleasantly surprised to find that I really liked it, the story, the characters, and the songs (even if they feel a bit disruptive or abruptly/oddly placed as you said. I find the layers of plotline intriguing and the characters very fun and interesting, and I genuinely really like the story (def wish it got more episodes but surprisingly didn't feel super rushed other than I would have liked to see more in the 6 months they had) and I can't wait for the next season. I think it's a very interesting portrayal of the concepts of heaven and hell and the exploration of what they mean. The show definitely has more depth than I was expecting, especially for the 8 episodes, and I think there are a lot of things to explore and build upon. I have a few small gripes and things I'd like explained, hopefully in the future, but aside from my prior bias against the show, it was really enjoyable and I want to see what happens next.

[@solaridastoobid]

saw someone make a point in someone else's comment section that hazbin is formatted a lot more like theater where emotions build until the characters need to sing and keep building until they need to dance

[@alanaw4489]

Was a spn and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina but I did really like the Lucifer show on Netflix and how it deals with the Heaven/Hell stuff and how it portrayed Lucifer

[@calypsoriverstone]

I'm Christian, and I love Hazbin Hotel. I don't believe that's what heaven and hell would actually be like, but it's really interesting and provides good commentary on how hippocritical the church can be.

[@AidenOfori-Gyamfi]

ME Too I’m a Christian too but I enjoy watching helluva boss and Hazbin hotel and I don’t think of it like that.

[@topcat59]

Honestly I do hope they get to take their time in season 2 and gives us more lore on how this world works and it would be cool to see sir penttious explore Heaven and see both the pros and cons of being there.🐱

[@MrSailing101]

4:00 to your complaint of the timing of the songs THIS. IS. BROADWAY!!!! *sparta kicks you into the orchestra pit*

[@Jonathan_Collins]

What if in the Hazbin Universe, the reason hell is overpopulated is because Jesus never sacrifised himself?

[@eddieis6467]

It’s possible Jesus just doesn’t exist in this world

[@superthorc6894]

What if God doesn’t Exist?

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Or the people of hell haven’t thought of zombie apocalypse “when there’s no more room in hell the dead will walk the earth.”

[@gothicayokai4516]

👀ooooh ok....interesting.

[@Oreo-kv4gc]

Hazbin hotel is Fictional cartoon show not reality hell and heaven Fictional cartoon Charlie hazbin hotel don't exist in real reality hell afterlife at all

[@ah3llfire]

I always find complaints about "excessive cursing" so funny, especially because in the country I live in, cursing is extremely common, so the show feel like avergage swearing levels. At the same time, it also makes sense storywise because of where they are, so that also justifies the use of swearing. I think people are just searching for something to critisise and complain about

[@PitaGene]

Wanted to add onto the comment "Christianity(and adjoining offshoots) becoming a less of a religion and more of a mythology " that's exactly it tho! Lol like every belief system has lore/deities/stories, yet (some) people treat Christianity as a religion that is not to be taken lightly, yet every other belief system is treated like a long dead religion. Then that mythology just remains a myth. I love when writers/artists use Christian lore for fiction, it's only fair that it is used as fiction as much as, say, pagan beliefs. Couldn't tell you how many times pagan gods/goddesses are only used fictionally, like they're magic stories that hold no weight. Like, worship or believe whatever you like! But when using other religions and spiritualities, people don't give the same respect or treat it like it holds weight like Christianity.

[@danielmalinen6337]

Mythology has always been part of religion and folklore, for example angels, demons, heavens and hells are part of Judeo-Christian mythos.

[@madonnibella]

Ive NEVER tapped on a Negative Legend video so fast.. Edit after watching the entire video: As an ex-Christian who turned their back to the church because of the wolves in sheeps' clothing and a fan of Vivziepop since her Deviantart days, i must say I'm really proud of what Vivzie has accomplished here, she has gone up the ranks of stuff like Bojack Horseman (in my personal opinion) where serious issues are being portrayed, hell even accurately. This is a reason why Angel Dust and Husk are considered overrated, it's the accurate depiction of disassociation, trauma, hopelessness, and finding comfort in others who have walked through the same path. The songs are really well made, but i agree that in some cases they're weirdly put (*ahem* the one song that Carmila duets with Zestial [and i guess Vaggie??], it's really awkward to listen to and to this day I've hidden it off of my Spotify), but they still elevate the characteristics of the ones singing and has made us empathize (More than Anything), relate (Loser, Baby), and and feel empowered (Out for Love). It sucks that they had rushed the plot to eight episodes because (this is a theory-) they didnt want to overspend for a flunk at the series equivalent of a box office, but i think the series is successful enough to stretch out more episodes that hopefully wont 1) rush the plot and 2) emphasize more on other characters like Nifty and Cherry Bomb (i suppose we may also get an ep on Mimzy, but i just dislike her so much- and i was so excited for her to appear too AHAHWHAHWHAA) Anyways, thars my messy 5am 2 cents, i might add more later because i also want to talk about the portrayal of queer and relationships and how good theyre doingnit, but im already late for class

[@Lidia__]

I absolutely love both hazbin hotel and helluva boss. i havent expirienced this kind of joy that comes from being in a fandom and hyperfixating on something in about a year or so after my love for genshin impact died out. it has helped boost my confidence as i mostly dont give two fucks about singing the songs out loud while i am in public even tho it would never happen before.

[@yolotygr]

Please do more Hazbin/Helluva Content. I like when you cover shows like these.

[@gravityfails4628]

Seconded!

[@dannypichu]

5:27 if you're interested in checking out more of those "kinda sorta based on the bible but with a twist" type stories, i highly recommend the show lucifer. it's one of my personal favorites

[@JamesLawner]

I never watched the original pilot or seen Helluva Boss, but this show was a pleasant surprise, and I appreciated how the show gave the story and characters such a depth, which is something I hardly have seen in adult animation (esp with shows like Rick & Morty, which left me very disappointed and disgusted). The musical numbers weren’t too bad, and I do agree that some of them come in at an awkward time. What I don’t agree is your assessment about Inferno by Dante Alighieri. Maybe I was fortunate to have read an annotated edition that include a page after each Stanza that explained some of the things that happened, and the references made, because it was a really interesting read for me, but I still haven’t read the rest of The Divine Comedy trilogy, unfortunately.

[@Nightengale90]

I love this show so much and that's mostly because of Angel Dust! His character works so well on so many levels! Valentino is such a well done abusive toxic villain character! So many people can relate to Angel Dust for so many different reasons! I watched the pilot when it came out and thought it was fine, but I've basically forgotten it. I need to rewatch it. This show though has pulled me in hard, but that took until episode 4. It does have quite a few good songs in it. None of the songs are bad this season. Now I'm hooked and so excited for season 2!

[@KaagKagamine5]

I've always avoided these religious teachings despite being surrounded by them so most of that mythology is unknown to me though I am a big mythology fan- seeing these two shows finally fully immersive themselves in that aspect is something I always wanted to see and learn. My favourite thing is definitely how the sins are these people representing their sin but also having dept, Asmodeus has this big business around list but he's a big romantic, Beelzebub represents other aspects of gluttony that aren't the obvious one most people go for. It's so fun how all of the sins are these big imposing creatures but their boss Lucifer is just a little guy. It's so nice to finally have so many visual representations of all those things only found in Wikipedia.

[@johncosco2348]

Was this mysterious wiki you mentioned the Shin Megami Tensei wiki? Or if it wasn’t the Shin Megami Tensei wiki, it probably was the TYPE-MOON Wiki. Both of those franchises have a heavy focus on global mythology, religions, and folklore.

[@pinkitten1712]

Wow I never saw the connections you made during my watch of Hazbin Hotel. But it makes so much sense. I love how you find hidden layers and meaning in anything you consume!

[@evapunk522]

What's funny is that I'm learning a ton about the Ars Goetia from friggin Genshin Impact..so yeah, I agree.. the Bible and stuff around it are basically becoming "lore" now. 🤣

[@CrustyMajesty]

Personally, when it comes to the cursing, I just don’t like how excessive it can be sometimes? Like, I understand, there’s gonna be curing in an adult show, but I feel like they force it into the script sometimes? This comment doesn’t apply to Adam, that’s just the way he is honestly

[@ladygrey4113]

There’s a reason a bunch of a “if viziepop made x show” jokes are around.

[@sociallyineptsnapper]

I don’t think that it’s somehow gonna stop it from being popular but it doesn’t mean I like it any more, I don’t like the other examples of frequently cursing and sex joke making shows either, it just feels immature by a point. It loses any impact.

[@Sezenian]

10 minutes never felt so short. I love this show and I love your content! Cannot wait for you to analyse season two!

[@theresacherco3503]

I really enjoyed this show very much but I don’t know why some people don’t like it and I can’t wait for season two

[@MarxistMomentum]

It's nice to see Christianity be treated more like the mythology that it is. In terms of media this will result in more interesting stories like Hazbin Hotel.

[@captaincrazycreative]

​@ville__ okay?

[@TheArcSet]

Thinking of DC's (vertigo) decades old take on Christianity, hell and Lucifer. All the DnD book burns seem to have missed them being the 3rd most power DC character.

[@danielmalinen6337]

How could religion and mythology be two different things? Isn't mythology usually part of some religion and folklore?

[@MarxistMomentum]

​@@danielmalinen6337 They aren't two different things. They're one in the same. Christianity is mythology.

[@danielmalinen6337]

@@MarxistMomentum Christianity and Judaism contains lot of mythology and all mythologies are part of some religion and these cannot be separated from each other. For example, many religions feature dragons, storm birds, giant bulls, sea monsters, ghosts, spirits and gods. Also creation, flood and hero stories. These are mythology. But religions are not entirely just mythology, for example in Christianity Jesus is a semi-historical and semi-fictional legendary figure who can be compared to, say, Siddhartha Gautama and Zarathustra.

[@haziqkhadzir]

7:09 the subscribe button glowed up right as they said it

[@HipBeeWitch]

Well, religion IS mythology. All of it is. Just like the Greek/Roman stories; they've been treated as fanatical retellings of the world for centuries (who knows- maybe even longer). Now, Christianity is experiencing the same thing. And as a queer atheist, I'm LIVING for it! It's satisfying.

[@EBThisThat]

I’m Christian and I’ve loved series like American Gods, Supernatural, Good Omens and His Dark Materials. My favorite movie is Dogma (I don’t know if that tells you anything lol). I loved everything about this honestly and found their idea of salvation a bit bittersweet but quite funny.

[@mattiewillis9533]

I found your channel a couple hours ago and I love it already and I’m so happy to watch this one

[@aluranthrope]

I love Hazbin Hotel, and know of Helluvaboss, but still need to watch it. Also subscribed 10 seconds before ask too,lol. Found my way here from the Alice in Wonderland video

[@Anonymous_771]

I like your idea well your perspective that hazbin hotel is pointing out the flaws of the people not the religion itself, i dont really hate religion i see them as like a culture its intereting see and learn about it but the people is ruining it for like FANDOMS OMG THEYR JUST FANDOMS I JUST REALIZED IT

[@amelianekomimi1936]

I love that its more about the power struggle - makes it easier to convince family to watch it that are religious.

[@hurin1]

So here is my working theory. Lets start with Lilith. Charlie's memories of Lilith are of her being the compassionate parent. The caring one that was emotionally there for her. She loved hearing about her father's dreams but they would eventually wear him down and Lilith would limit her time with him because of that. His depression was bad enough. Dwelling on the past made it worse. Lilith was struggling to bring Hell together as a community. Getting the denizens to have compassion for each other to make Hell a better place. But she was being thwarted by some of the more predatory Overlords and Heaven. The Overlords being a constant threat unlike Heaven being an annual one was her more immediate problem. The predatory Overlords did not want a unified Hell because it would affect their profits. People alone and suffering were easier prey. Lilith is very powerful. But her power seems to be more about persuasion through music. Not the best weapon to deal with entrenched powerful Overlords who have people's souls under contract. So she needed a weapon. She watched the incoming souls and picked out the worst of the bunch. A psychopath serial killer named Alastor. She struck a deal with Alastor to give him power beyond his reach. She would have his soul, he would act as her agent in Hell. He would strike down those who acted against civility and compassion. Focusing on the Overlords. He killed off the more predatory Overlords. We know he didn't kill all of them as we meet Zestial and Carmilla. Both of whom show signs of empathy and community. Carmilla even features a song about Love being the source of her power. They clearly have issues with Alastor but a truce is being enforced. Alastor because he is constrained from acting against compassionate Overlords. All this shift in power will have been noticed by Heaven. They will see Lilith behind the scenes. They had been worried about her organizing the demons. But now she not only has her voice to change things but she has a powerful demon at her beck and call. Alastor prevents them taking any action directly against her. But then into the void created by Alastor's romp through the Overlords arises a group of demons calling themselves the Vees. They quickly rise in power much like Alastor did. Being sinners who rose to power as fast as Alastor did suggests someone is behind them. More on that later. Suffice to say that they quickly become a threat to Alastor and Lilith's schemes. So Alastor confronts them but Vox manages to force Alastor to retreat. It was probably a close battle. But Vox prevailed and Alastor went into hiding to heal and try to find a way to break his contract or get more power. With Alastor out of the picture Heaven saw its chance to get to Lilith. So they sent Adam to threaten her. And Adam told her without her pawn Alastor her family was now a target of the exterminators. Specifically Charlie was a target. Being cornered Lilith struck a deal with Adam saying she would join him in heaven if he promised not to kill any of the Hellborn. Adam's ego would not be able to resist this deal so Lilith vanishes from Hell and is Adam's pet up in Heaven for the past seven years. So when Charlie calls her mother in the pilot and leaves a message lamenting how things are going Lilith pulls Alastor out of whatever hole he had crawled into and sends him to protect her. Alastor of course bristles at the idea of performing altruistic actions. But he is under contract and cannot say no. So he immediately shows up at her door. Despite being under contract he still sees opportunity to revel in the suffering of people in the Hotel so he plays along soaking up all the failure he can. After the fight for the Hotel with Adam presumably dead (we don't actually see him die as the last we see is him smiling at Lute) Lute retreats back to Heaven and informs Lilith that the deal is over as Adam is dead. And she tells her to go back to Hell and get her brat under control otherwise the threat to kill her stands. The more militant Angels now see Charlie as a threat and with Adam's deal not to kill the Hellborn off the table it is open warfare. Lilith will initially return to Hell and try to talk Charlie out of her goals. But eventually her conviction and the fact that she is fighting for what Lilith was fighting for will cause he to seek to throw off Heaven's hold on her and she will join Charlie's side. This will be the arc of the second season. Alastor will be trying to break his contract and Heaven will be struggling between the question of what to do about Sir Pentious and the militant Angels that want war with Hell. All while the Vees and their shadow master continue to pressure the denizens of Hell. The third season will see the rise of that shadow master coming out of the shadows and revealed to be Eve. Eve has been in Hell all this time. As she died in sin due to the Original Sin of eating the apple she would have been doomed to Hell no matter how good she behaved. Having knowledge of Good and Evil she may well have tried to stay good. But the Original Sin still doomed her. In the lore dump at the start of Ep 1 we never hear about Adam eating the Apple. In this setting it may have just been Eve that ate the apple. Thus Adam gained entry to Heaven as the first human to do so. Despite being a horrible sociopath due to not having knowledge of Good and Evil. Which is why when he says he has never done anything wrong he is being as honest as he can be because he has no idea what is right or wrong. Thus Eve is livid that she had to live her life with Dick Master and he went to Heaven and she went to Hell. She is pissed at Heaven for this. She is pissed at Lucifer for screwing things up. She is pissed at everything. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Alastor will have found a way to break his contract by the third season. Thus the power struggle will be Charlie and Emily fighting to change things in their respective domains. Alastor and Eve come out swinging at everything but for their own reasons. It depends on whether Alastor loses his power when he breaks the contract as to what he does with Eve. If he is still powerful he would not knuckle under her. But if he needs her for power he may side with her. In the end it will be a three way fight between Alastor, Eve, and Charlie. Charlie has to get over her problems with her own power. But once she does she may even be more powerful than Lucifer. But in the end she will have something that neither Eve or Alastor has and that will be friends.

[@Oliaaxter]

5:24 I want to preface this by saying that I am a fan of Helluva Boss and Hazbin hotel while also being a queer Christian. If this comment somehow manages to get a couple of people's attention, I will not be responding to people who are trying to argue, hate on the queer community, or hate on Christianity. In my opinion on more media and content with elements from the Bible and such, I personally don't mind media like this so long that it's not basically propaganda. I think it's bad for media to depict religious groups, with very harmful cults being the exceptions, in a bad and harmful way just as how I think it's bad for right-wing media to depict the queer community in a harmful way. Once again, I will most likely not be responding to comments especially if they are just trying to spread hate or start an argument.

[@StoryBird2]

Greek Mythology (Hellenism) is still practiced to this day so I am all for treating Christianity and their adjacent religions as mythos, it's more fun and honestly fair if they're gonna call other religions 'fake' or a 'mythology'

[@asteri8299]

Christianity and most other abrahamic religions are old enough to be considered mythology. Unfortunately making that step would put a number of cultures on a... idk... war path it guess? Despite the fact that many of the religons we actively study and consider to be mythology are still practiced today.

[@StoryBird2]

@@asteri8299 Yeah I think Christianity and adjacent can get away with not being called 'mythos' bc they're so big and present

[@rekhyt_in_the_tardis]

It’s very interesting watching many of these heaven and hell shows as a religious Jew, because there are some similarities to something I genuinely believe in but I don’t believe in hell so I don’t take it seriously as a religious thing. Like I believe in the satan and angels but they’re so separate to how they’re shown in Christianity that I don’t recognise them as the same. It’s like when you watch something set where you live but it’s clear the person who made it has never been there. It also means that I’ve never properly experienced the strict heaven and hell enforced by christianity so the ‘what if heaven was also flawed and lucifer wasn’t so bad?’ isn’t a subversion to me as basically the only way I’ve seen it is through media like this. Still a fun show. Interesting hearing you and other talk of how it reflects how people use religion to attack others by having heaven also be bad, since for the most part sinners are shown to genuinely be sinners- like Angel Dust is changing now but he was part of a crime family etc- and though we haven’t seen much of heaven, the way some angels were dressed shows there is more to getting into hell than just dressing immodestly or whatever which is what I think you were talking about people saying.

[@Cubesside11]

I just got why I love this show! It has the same kind of a vibe as the good place.

[@juliahock5549]

Finally a literate take on this show. It’s not perfect by any means but I feel like NOBODY is treating it fairly or looking into it at all!

[@LuzOhCramity]

5:28 GOOD OMENS

[@jacalynnepuder1172]

Did anyone expect negative legend here to do a video on hazbin hotel?

[@LiliannEnder]

Mayhaps

[@DechuWings]

I am very impressed on how far the show has come from the pilot. I am really looking forward to seeing season 2 when it’s ready. The fan theories of the show are really going to be the death of me 🥲

[@theaterkidstew]

2:05 made me giggle a little too hard 💀

[@lyandraangel]

I really enjoyed the first season, and I look forward to more. Since I only just entered the fandom (I watched the pilot about a week before the show started airing last month), I haven't watched Helluva Boss yet, so I have that to do still at some point. Lucifer might be my favorite side character - he's surprisingly wholesome, especially during his reconciliation with Charlie.

[@dgphoenix6611]

I adore the show! The writing is so much better than Helluva Boss's, which I am very thankful for. I hadn't really thought too critically about potential hidden meanings in characters and their actions tho cos I've been too busy thinking of how amazing the musical numbers are! I love absolutely everything about this show!

[@theJellyBeanies]

I am impressed on how you find the hidden messages in the show and it makes me appreciate the show even more, while I’m over hear smiling at nifty stabbing people 😅❤

[@Marie-cq5td]

Hope you get better soon ❤, don’t strain yourself, there is nothing wrong with taking a break to recover

[@artliom1311]

I'm a bit disappointed at how Charlie&Vaggie couple was shown in the series. In the trailer, they were holding hands and looking each other in the eyes several times. They looked so cute, comfy and romantic. I expected to see their cute and romantic interactions in the series too. But there are very few moments like that in the series... And honestly, I personally don't feel much chemistry between them too...

[@originalkingdomhearts]

This show is honestly all over the place and the pacing is really hurts it a lot. They need to slow down. Even helluva boss suffers from this.

[@Crimsxn_VT]

God hazbin hotel is really good. It has its problems ofc but the fact that it exists is a monumental feat itself is truly something to commend. Either way this is a great video keep it up Negative Legend 💗

[@macronhi]

I feel Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel could definitely turn the profanity down a little, but the shows are really good either way! It feels like a middle schooler finally feeling like BillieBadass but Ive worked past it so its whatever. As much as i wish it was a little better, it's tolerable in the end. The shows are pretty good

[@boywonder029]

The fact of modern religion becoming a mythology is just human nature. Love it

[@grayrook8637]

In world thing I realized, Helluva Boss take place later in the time line since heavenly weapons are avaliable and they only just figure it out in Hazbin Hotel. Also Niffty is simply THE BEST!

[@sophiaisabelle01]

We appreciate your insights. You'll always have our support.

[@ShmerpX3]

Finally negative legend made a vid on this!!

[@nonamedeviant6014]

You're the only person I saw who also noticed how comedicly textbook musical those songs where. They start out of nowhere and end out of nowhere, it's so awkward and bizarre 😂 Also, I really like the direction that we are taking with Lucifer story, because he is the most human and authentic part of Christian cannon, simply because he doesn't exist in the Bible. The name comes from incorrect translation and the common people just build the entirety of the story by themselves. That's why he is so relatable and closer to humans than any other biblical character.

[@RebelCannonClub74]

The book of Enoch- not cannon Emo Charlie - cannon, taught in Sunday school

[@toastbrot9258]

I love the world building in the show but one thing I don’t quite understand is death, cause can only angels kill the sinners? But then there’s murder amongst them but they are dead so are they dead dead ? Can someone explain I am honestly a little clueless haha

[@em01455]

Angelic steel permanently kills people regular violence causes people to be painfully inconvenienced :)

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this. The Lucifer angle is interesting because, between 2ndary school multicultural RE and DC comics, I was actually slightly more familiar with the older, pre-Pride, version; there was a good chunk of a millennium where the character's damming sin was mercy towards those God saw fit to punish. Which gave the fictional takes more motive for both good and bad behaviour.

[@theopiey]

I love how they show the hypocritical view of the angels. They say that sinners will be sinners forever, but killing innocent souls would ake them sinners too. Why should they stay in heaven?

[@SprinkleGirl]

5:52 I was taken aback seeing the georgian flag haha, but seriously it sucks beinf an ally and living here

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

OKAY SO There is a wiki project just called "Gods and Demons", that does feature, among other things, a final clash between the Outer Gods and their Spawn (i.e./e.g. Cthulhu) and YHWH and the angels, along with the Pagan gods in there somewhere. I am not sure if that is what Negative was talking about at 6:33, but it sounds cool! I HOWEVER have been /told/ of an older RPG that has very similar parameters and subjective matter. It had a Latin name, but I don't think it's Steve Jackson's "In Nomine" so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if anyone else wants to buzz in, I'm as curious as the rest of you.

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think I've responded personally to everyone who was asking, but it would be VERY funny if Negative and I are talking about different wiki projects. 😗

[@chloesmith7871]

I loved this show so much! Looking forward to more alastor in season 2

[@appletrain1007]

I hath not seen hazbin hotel yet

[@starshiny3399]

Excuse me. How do you still look good after recovering from illness? I really dig the Mr. Rodgers sweater/cottage vibes. Great review as well.

[@stardragonblast15]

Angel Dust and Husk are my favoite! i love Hazbin Hotel

[@FrootDeMoN]

Loved hazbin hotel and I'm happy you made a video about it

[@hannahlamagna]

Yes I'm a new fan of Hazbin Hotel and Hellva Boss and I love it I'm Christen but except everyone and not rigged in my shows and movies

[@kingved492]

6:21 definitely nice change of pace, especially since most of the things we treat as myths (especially the pagan religions) are still religions. Like we’ve been making movies, books, games that are inspired or skew from the original source and don’t really care or think about it, but oh no, someone’s messing with a real religion isn’t being portrayed “correctly”. Basically I’m just saying, I’m glad Christianity (and it’s other relatively close to it religions) are getting the same treatment that they’ve been doing to others for a while now. Also check out Aztec mythos and religion, we got some gay gods.

[@PhoenixFeather6000]

Idk what it is but we both caught colds making a hazbin video and i just feel even more like you're my spirit animal. Love the video

[@BBMacsWorld]

I really love Hazbin and Helluva! (Or the Helluverse as most people call it). I think more media should show how religions are actually harmful. Especially to us queer folk. I'm glad this show exists for so many reasons!!

[@Aghul]

How curious that this upload comes right as I am finishing a piece of fanart of Alastor! Coincidence? Probably!

[@itsmesc123]

6:33 I'm gonna need a link to that for research purposes. It sounds like a great thing to look through at 3am while I'm on my last brain cell.

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Me too

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think it's the "Gods and Demons" wiki project (literally just search for that: "Gods and Demons wiki" and you'll get there.) But I have to consider that Negative and I could be talking about different things entirely, especially since /I/ recall hearing about a table top game with exactly that kind of premise. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think it's the "Gods and Demons" wiki project (just search "Gods and Demons wiki" lol that will bring you to it) but there could be more than one? There was allegedly a TTRPG with that premise, even, but that's what I've been able to dig up.

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think it's the "Gods and Demons" wiki project (just search "Gods and Demons wiki" lol that will bring you to it) but there could be more than one? There was allegedly a TTRPG with that premise, even, but that's what I've been able to dig up.

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I think it's the "Gods and Demons" wiki project (just search "Gods and Demons wiki" lol that will bring you to it) but there could be more than one? There was allegedly a TTRPG with that premise, even, but that's what I've been able to dig up.

[@SpiritKitten]

Why did I think Hazbin Hotel was Hellva boss? I was confused when I finally watched Hazbin Hotel.

[@miscalotastuff733]

I think this is a satire on pentecostal, fundamentalist, and evangelical christians. A group who treats those who have been saved still as hazbins. They never really forgive.

[@amelka1665]

God I wanted to listen to the episode while doing some homework But I immidetly turned my head to the screen when I heard Supernatural xDDD

[@cha0tic_neutral_system]

My main issue is the use of the r slur not the profanity

[@gravityfails4628]

Funny you should mention the prison industrial complex because one of my hopes for Vaggie should she turn out to be an exterminator was to deconstruct the lesbian cop archetype. While her backstory doesn’t do that too much I’m extremely happy to see that played even it was just a little bit! Because a lot of media including Arcane that I really like do this a lot and it’s maddening to see as a sapphic person! So, I hope this slowly means an end to that kind of character!