Hidehiko Yoshida VS Royce Gracie : The story behind the rivalry

[@hiskandar]

First comment !!! Before it starts. woohooo !!!

[@Chadi]

Congratulations

[@counterkidnapping1737]

History repeats itself Kimura vs Helio Gracie Yoshida vs Royce Gracie Yoshida won the first time Royce is skinny and thin. Yoshida is a heavyweight at the time.

[@frankiegodinez8864]

And this is how you waste it….

[@deceptakon77]

This is the perfect example of how The Gracie's would, insist on a a very specific rule set which favored them, and also if ever handed a decision for a draw or loss the y would throw a huge fit and threaten the entire organization. Then they would attempt to rewrite history and claim that there was never a loss. It also shows history repeating itself because it was just like the fight where Helio lost to Kimura but refused to accept the decision because he never tapped. The best Judokas were always a tough match for the Gracies.

[@only1shinobi]

The fact that Gracie didn't wear a gi top in their match shows how cowardly and dishonorable the Gracies are. They monopolized a style that they were given from judo and tried to take full credit for it.

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Yoshida's judo crashed Royce Gracie's Jiu Jitsu. That is why on the rematch Royce did not use a gi and changed the rules to admit punches and kicks. He knew Yoshida's judo would destroy his jiu jitsu for the second time.

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@vids595 Does it matter? Judo was more complete then. And Yoshida was just a better fighter. Royce is a good fighter but he had to change his outfit to fight on his own terms? In a competition, that’s dirty and shouldn’t be legal.

[@holidayrap]

The second fight was MMA. I remember watching both live. The second fight Yoshida seemed to have been worn mentally before the fight even began. May be it was because of his previous match or may be it was because he felt intimidated. (You had Ryan challenging him too.) But Yoshida simply did not look the same in the 2nd match. The Gracies used a similar playbook for Royce's rematch with Sakuraba..(my opinion) but Sak CLEARLY won (again), but it was given to Royce.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@rh45sth62]

@@mongolchiuud8931 yes, I've suspected for a long time Royce was juiced in second fight, he was really outclassed in the first and couldn't conceive of losing to a Judoka twice. His level of aggression and strength seemed to have improved by some degree in the second bout. Ryan Gracie, another juicer was like a rabid dog each time he fought; extremely aggressive. Contrast those guys with the cool and humble Yoshida

[@TheAngelicRider]

Could be the fact he got kicked in the gonads from the get go.

[@brianscott9774]

For Royce to strip the gi top and then grip yoshida's is despicable. He deserved to lose for that reason alone

[@Chadi]

Shady for sure

[@brianscott9774]

@@Chadi I love this channel. From the History to the content and the way its put together.Thank you. Keep them coming

[@Chadi]

@@brianscott9774 Thank you 🙏🏻

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Then Yoshida is an idiot for not taking his gi off. Did he not watch Royce's mma fight against Saku?

[@brianscott9774]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 you could say that but...the messed up part is he dominated that fight. W the Gi on. So who really looks like the idiot? Other than the ref?

[@johnkrummel2956]

Excellent video... i miss the glorious Pride days of the late 90s to 2000s... I used to watch them all and collected their dvds...

[@henrikg1388]

I believe that the first match, which Yoshida clearly won, was changed into a NC (No Contest), because the Gracies threatened to completely pull out of PRIDE otherwise. It is exactly that type of behavior that makes judokas despise the Gracies and their dishonesty. It's actually a shame, since there is a huge community of BJJ:ers that are very humble, honest and praiseworthy for their skills. Most are a bit narrow minded when the issue of Judo comes up, though.

[@Chadi]

I'm convinced Yoshida won the first one

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

First match was a premature stoppage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH_FoH6klq5nfpI The Gracies don't have the best sportsmanship but this is not one of those cases. That's fake news

[@MrMrbrianbechtel]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 dude. You are 100% right. That choke wasn't even close. It was around Royces ears. He got robbed. Chadi, im disappointed you didn't catch this!?!?!

[@vittocrazi]

@@MrMrbrianbechtel i never saw this angle. from the other side, you can see royce's hand going limp, wich is why the referee may have rushed to the conlution that he was being choked out and didnt have much time to stop the fight. if royce just relaxed to save energy, wich may have been the case, he TKO'd himself because he made the referee think he was going out. and in that take i believe i can see yoshidas hand on royce's neck, but that kind of chokehold doesnt match the effect, i believe. i agree that it was an early stoppage, but understandable one.

[@MarcelloTadashi]

Yes the Judge should wait . To see royce sleep. Cause Royce did nothing to escape.

[@holidayrap]

By the way you did a great analysis of this fight. Insightful, fair and clearly narrated. Whether some viewers agree or disagree is up to them. After all that is what the comments section is for! I wish/hope many more grappling enthusiasts and fans subscribe to your channel!

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@thebeast9606]

I would argue in Japan, Rickson was the more popular one, but I get the fact that Royce would be the bigger name overall. I believe Rickson had given up fighting by that time anyway because Rockson had died, thus this fight wouldn’t come into fruition no matter what.

[@Chadi]

Yes that's their reasoning he was a UFC star

[@Quidoute]

I watched the rematch, I can say that the first nutkick can suck all ur energy, because I got a nutkick once and I was tired and couldn't continue the randori for about 15mins, Royce didn't won it ended in a draw, heck he didn't use any of his BJJ he was just throwing useless punches

[@bachconneshon7809]

All he did is keep hooks in him and stayed on his back while punching him in the back of the head

[@bm8602]

I really cant stand the gracies

[@Chadi]

They win by any means necessary

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

That's why Im here lel

[@only1shinobi]

@@Chadi yeah they're cheap and dishonest.

[@sasasasaasable]

I agree that the gracie mob has very dirty history, but I think what came out of it in the end is quite positive. Also considering the gracie clan is enormous i hope theyre not all dirty..

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 Gracie trolls. Ewww...

[@stefanobio7045]

Hi Chadi....many thanks for another very informative video, best regards, Stefano.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Stefano

[@floydo1124]

Professor Chadi, you think u can make a rivalry and technical comparison between Hifume Abe and Joshiro Maruyama, with your thoughts on who will eventually be part of the Japan Olympic team?

[@Chadi]

Sure

[@aymanabaza6475]

This is the history of the Geacie family. He lost and they were mad. If you read ul on their history in Brasil you'll understand just how bad they were. The Japanese are the best period. Also, what kind of Martial Art is it that has no takedowns or striking. They refuse to include the Judo throws because they won't be able to say the Gracie's invented BJJ. This is ghe reason they refuse to teach the real history of grappling and JU JITSU

[@Chadi]

They kind of repeated the story of Oda in competition sport grappling your best advantage is the ground and it still works til this day

[@PaladinJackal]

Bruh chill. You're freaking out over nothing. "what kind of Martial Art is it that has no takedowns or striking" BJJ has takedowns. Educate yourself. Judo doesn't have striking the same way BJJ doesn't. They both sort of do but mostly don't. "They refuse to include the Judo throws because they won't be able to say the Gracie's invented BJJ" Huh? Gracies do in fact include Judo throws. And you're trying to say they didn't make BJJ? Lol.

[@rangelo8908]

I agree with you. I know many, many bjj black belts who are world medalist that have ZERO tachiwaza.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Japanese fighters overall sucked at that time

[@Kitajima2]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 I'm sorry, what? You're user name is pro-Gracie like commenting on the Internet is your only hobby. And the entire Gracie line got stomped by one Japanese pro-wrestler (Sakuraba)

[@maitrekano]

good video , i didnt no that yoshida was that good in mma fights , thats will close the mouth to every one saying that judo isn t represented in mma , we have now ronda , parysian and yoshida all proved beeing effective with their judo , if you can find at least 3 then you can find thousands . think an Ono or Teddy Rinner ....

[@ReisterJP]

Akiyama was another judoka in mma.

[@henrikg1388]

Don't forget Fedor. Russian champion is not to be frowned upon.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@rh45sth62]

Yeah, on balance, I think Yoshida took on much tougher guys than Royce, and when he was at the top of his game, he had the ability to defeat anyone despite not having much a striking game. Satoshi Ishii ( Olympic champ in Beijing ) has also been competing in MMA for some years.

[@rh45sth62]

@@ReisterJP You wouldn't find many Gracies lining up to fight Akiyama when he was in his prime !

[@nakmuay2485]

It interesting to notice than in pure grappling the judoka was superior... If royce win the second match it's just because he have better skill in striking than Yoshida.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Royce didn’t win. It was declared a draw. Yoshita was also injured after his last fight. So it wasn’t fair for him.

[@flowrepins6663]

​@@Shadowrulzalwaysalso he got kicked in the balls from start and that took his focus royce does that

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@flowrepins6663 Yep. He cheated.

[@philosophiaentis5612]

All referee must know that In any fight where there is a Gracie fighting, the referee must let his opponent break his arm or strangle him until he passes out completely. It is the only way to prevent the Gracies from continuing to lie by saying that they would win the fight when it is obvious that they lost.

[@rustyshackleford735]

Another great video.

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@christophervelez1561]

OMG I DIED LAUGHING WITH THE RENER IMPRESSION!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Chadi]

I tried my best

[@silkplayer9]

Time stamp please ! !

[@jasontroy3911]

Rener is a great salesman

[@rollsgracie268]

Yoshida is the better athlete and has a fighters body. That was also helpful

[@vitorcunha5249]

@Chadi I don't think anyone on Royce's side appologised afterwards nor admitted the stoppage wasn't premature. Did you see that somewhere?

[@AzeriDervish]

Hi chadi, can i know the music you used for this video? Great choice!

[@Chadi]

In the description

[@rh45sth62]

Second match, is there a question that Royce may have been on the juice for that one ?

[@Chadi]

I think he tested positive after Sakuraba

[@rh45sth62]

@@Chadi I knew about the later positive test but looking at his aggression and strength in this match, I've wondered if perhaps he was juiced in this match and it was either not tested for, or detected ?We know how strong Yoshida is and I think he was always technically superior, with Royce essentially conceding this by not wearing a full gi.

[@Chadi]

@@rh45sth62 keep in mind Yoshida was injured, but it's possible

[@Karen-fs6lf]

And Matt Hugh's he was juicing

[@hectormunoz6052]

The Gracies were unbeatable , but only when they were in control of the rules . I called BS back in 93 when they claimed to have not lost a fight in like 48 years . all it took was Mr Sakuraba and his Catchwrestling to put them in their place

[@NathanxLaMontagne]

Don't forget Wallid Ismael, clock choked Royce dead in I want to say 97-98

[@user-jd1ow9ny8r]

Can you make a video on which is more effective: Judo or BJJ

[@SenseiEmmett]

In my opinion its Judo, but only when Newaza is taught correctly and not just the basics needed for modern sports judo, traditional judo is a complete art and you will find most bjj in there if you look for it.

[@user-jd1ow9ny8r]

@@SenseiEmmett I completely agree that judo is a more complete form

[@SenseiEmmett]

It would have to be categorised to be tested properly. But personally I don't like comparing arts, I'm more driven to look at each part of my own game and find what best would improve that for where it has gaps, my ground game wasn't great until I trained some bjj, and then improved it further with judo, but As for which is better, it all depends on what exactly fits you best and what you take from each, either will improve you and make you a more rounded martial artist, just my humble view on it

[@christopherkabenguelle5474]

both are effective.

[@SenseiEmmett]

@@christopherkabenguelle5474 agreed

[@WhitegirlslayerX]

Can you do a history of Hidehiko Yoshida VS Naoya Ogawa?

[@Chadi]

I'll add it to the list

[@WhitegirlslayerX]

Thank you

[@fabfab2991]

Judo it's everything.

[@quach8quach907]

Anything is not everything. Duh.

[@aymanabaza6475]

I don't mean it in a bad way but I just don't see it as a real martial art when it has no takedown or striking. As you seen even in the UFC there's a couple world BJJ Champions that lost title fights because they couldn't get the fight to the ground. DAMIAN MIA and RONALDO SOUZA

[@Chadi]

Same for Kron in his last fight

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Your logic is incredibly stupid. If other pure arts were losing to BJJ during the late 80s/early 90s then that makes them less than nothing and absolute trash arts. The pure strikers at that time couldn't KO against pure grapplers, and wrestling to takedown these days gets harder the higher the tier mma match and eventually championship fights; the vast majority of wrestlers in the UFC are gravitating towards kickboxing approach to fighting and only use wrestling to sprawl. So according to you, striking and wrestling aren't real martial art skills since they can be nullified when the meta changes. Using Maia and Souza as your examples of BJJ not being a real martial art is beyond stupid since they didn't grow up wrestling at a young age(since literally any martial artist regardless of style who never wrestled will struggle) but they still do well in the top ten although they struggle the closer they reach to the championships. Being unable to become a champion doesn't make the art less of a martial art, you imbecile. Karo Parisyan struggled to throw and takedown against better strikers and other stylists who had decent takedown defenses. By your logic, since Judo doesn't have striking and wrestling style takedowns since it's an art that heavily focuses on upper body throws, then Judo barely qualifies to be a real martial art.

[@SheLikes22YearOlds-wj2ei]

Maia's only recent losses were against 3 division 1 wrestlers and another bjj champ. Bjj does WAY better than karate or bs dojo arts. Maia and Souza are older and STILL smashed people. At 39 Maia was on a 7 fight win streak. Jacare had an 8 fight win streak in his mid 30's. Did you watch UFC 1???

[@Mataninja]

@@SheLikes22YearOlds-wj2ei Dude, grappling will always have an advantage over pure strikers. If they have done UFC 1 without Royce Gracie or anyone representing BJJ, it would've been another grappling discipline being on top.

[@сергейпак-м8в]

Look the fight between Fedor(Europe judo champion) and Ricardo Arona,. Look the grappling match 2003(adcc) between Matt Lidland(USA frestyle wrestling champion, second place Olympian games in greco-roman) and Ronaldo Souza. Look the fight between Murilo Bustamante and Dan Henderson. Look the fight between Royce Gracie (78 kg) and Remco Pardoel(105 kg, Nederland judo champion). In all fights bjj players were better in takedowns.

[@user-vc6]

You jiu jitsu you don’t need to stop the match if a limb is broken . In fact lots of people who have continued and win but a choke out is a instant stoppage

[@emanuelevalenza9334]

It would have been way more interesting if they had met in 1992.

[@bebodhi]

Whenever I want to know something and relax to a cool sounding voice, of course I turn to CHADI. Now for those who are truly serious researchers and practitioners, take a look at some of the vds I've done to find the opportunity to enter a throw. I have a background in Chinese wrestling and a little Jujutsu/Judo plus fighting experience so I know it works. To anyone who may have a mature comment, let me know, to anyone else just keep it quiet. Peace.

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@joesphruggiero3707]

I remember it when royce fought in pride pride was the best!

[@darylfields]

I like the Gracies but there early UFC day's was suspect to me

[@Chadi]

Same

[@philosophiaentis5612]

I am brazilian and I don't like the Gracies becouse I don't like lies.

[@darylfields]

@@philosophiaentis5612 I agree I remember I think Ken Shamrock found out the ufc was fixing the fights in favor of the Gracies

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Has Yoshida ever been beaten by any Jiu Jitsu fighter under Jiu Jitsu rules?

[@joatanpereira4272]

Just a lil Portuguese guide: the "ã" of Maracanã is pronounced like the "un" of "unstoppable", for example.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Joatan

[@LukiHanma]

Royce is the reason we all practice Jiu Jitsu. But at the same time, we are not interested in learning from him. The unsportsmanlike attitudes, lack of martiality and the intolerance that he has, alienated us.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@dietrich8820]

Royce is the reason we all practice Jujutsu? Speak for yourself please. I was competing in Judo competitions in high school before I knew the Gracie family existed.

[@ADAM_COLLECTS]

If UFC 1 had the real best in the world at; Judo, Karate, Boxing, Kickboxing/MT, Sambo, sumo, wrestling and what ever else i am forgetting, does anyone TRULY think Royce Gracie would have won? Be honest. If you think BJJ would come out on top, thats cool, but, think of the names that were at UFC 1 and ask yourself; were these the BEST in their chosen art? I don’t think so.

[@jb8375]

If the judoka done a few months of boxing I'm sure he could well of knocked Royce out simply because of the size difference.

[@Chadi]

True

[@MarcelloTadashi]

I think Royce could not escape from Tate Shihogatame

[@quach8quach907]

"I did not tap." is not a thing. The referee's job is to protect the fighters, even from themselves. Rules of a contest. 1. tapping 2. referee stoppage. 3. the corner can throw in the towel I pray to God that we can have a time machine. Go back in time and have Kimura vs. Helio and Hidehiko vs. Royce to be a duel to the DEATH matches. Royce vs. Matt Hughes. Royce did not tap either. "I did not tap is not a thing." The referee can stop a fight. Can Matt Hughes protest that "He did not tap, and keep beating Royce to DEATH?" until his corner throws in the towel?

[@grapplingspirit6878]

You are right (around 6:20) but your reasoning is wrong : you cannot die from an armbar. And about Royce not wanting to put the gi against hideoki during the rematch is definitely not a machiavelian way to win 😆 I mean if you fight then you fight to win. It means he is smart. And by the way it s a mma fight not a pure judo match, so i find your reasoning kinda lacking, or at least you cannot use the word "machiavelian" especially if you don't know what it means. In short, i dont really get the point of the video, especially with the title: so what s the story behind their fight apart from Royce not putting the gi? Thank you for the great video though, as well as your great contents in your YT channel 👊🏼🙏🏼 osu

[@Chadi]

It means it was the anniversary of kimura and gracie, and the second was Royce to redeem himself and did whatever to win including not wearing a gi jacket

[@stevedalzell9258]

How can you not say Royce (you say hoyse) but you can say resist?

[@bachconneshon7809]

Because that's how it's pronounced LOL

[@werolljudo8401]

Come on, one using judogi another one without... Who already tried knows what I'm talking about..

[@Chadi]

Yes

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Royce afraid of judo. That is the reason. If he was so confident about his jiu jitsu, he would not fight without a gi and would prefer a fight without punches and kicks.

[@Juan-ot2me]

Great

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

Royce took off his gi and kicked Yoshida in the pills in the second match. Lol

[@pedroiranzo3883]

Hay que ser muy bueno para hacer parecer al maestro Yoshida un principiante en el combate Yoshida vs Royce Gracie 2.

[@kaz5150619]

Ive lost all respect for the gracies now

[@kaz5150619]

So the Gracie's LEGIT lost but played stupidity and political to 'win'

[@nawawiguntoro313]

Like

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@thebeertracker.jaybeertrac9846]

Typical Gracie basically

[@rustyshackleford735]

Royce lost the first match plain and simple, Joyce won the second fair and square.

[@Chadi]

Not so much fair

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

First match was a premature stoppage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH_FoH6klq5nfpI

[@rustyshackleford735]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 I disagree.

[@rustyshackleford735]

@@Chadi I disagree. This was MMA, and bjj has no-gi training and competitions. I wouldn't say it was unfair, or bad sportsmanship, it was a display of the versatility of bjj vs the stiff tradition of judo.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

@@rustyshackleford735 If you reject with the evidence then you're delusional

[@aluisiofsjr]

Except that in the first fight Royce Gracie was defending the Ezekiel choke and he was not limping you can see clearly here in multiple angles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH_FoH6klq5nfpI If he was limping Royce would not stand up right after. Unfortunately was a really bad referee call and Pride FC analysed the footage and made the fight NC, removing Yoshida's victory. Yoshida did not showed sportsmanship in the first fight acting like the Ezekiel choke really worked. Royce made the pay back removing the gi in the second fight. Seems fair.

[@Chadi]

To me it seems he tried to slide his right hand in and after it he went limp, they reviewed rhr footage afterwards, the second fight, to him it became personal but still we should always fight fair, even Helio said that in one of his interviews.

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@Chadi , Royce Gracie did not went limp he was consciousness and aware, you can see clearly he standing up right after. That is why it was a bad call and the Yoshida victory got NC by the Pride. We cannot blame Royce after Yoshida's trickery, and the second fight was in Vale-Tudo rules after all (they did not have the same costume etiquette of their previous match).

[@Chadi]

@@aluisiofsjr i wouldn't say ot was Yoshida trickery, he was locking the submission after all, it's the referee's call

[@henrikg1388]

Get real! From any angle you watch, he is clearly about to pass out. From the angle in this video, it even looks like he is tapping out with his left hand. If you are close to pass out. you can stand up almost directly with dizziness. If you are really choked out, you become unconscious. The ref. stopped it just before that happened. It's very obvious. Royce lost and the Gracies had too much pride (pun intended) to admit it.

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@Chadi , he was yelling to the referee that Royce was limping when the Ezekiel choke was not really locked and then he celebrated, acting like if it really worked causing an uproar in the Gracie family. Yoshida is a highly competitive Judo fighter that got in the Olympics for no reason, he got all the sneaky tricks inside his sleeve (pun intended). The Gracies are exactly the same thing, so Royce was using sneaky trick against sneaky trick (but in the Royce's defense, if he really locked that choke he would not yell to the referee, he would squeeze out until he could not anymore, giving absolutely no doubts).