🔫HiFiMan Shootout: HE4XX vs. 400i vs. 400S vs. Sundara [Final Impressions & Discussion]

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[@HomeStudioBasics]

Build - 1:06 Pad Issues & Dekoni's Fix - 8:00 Comfort - 9:38 Fresh Out The Box, STOP! Look and Watch! Ready Yet? Get Set! It's ALLLL THAT! - 10:49 Sound & Imaging - 9:20 Are You Cool, Man? - 14:37 Soundstage Graphic (HD600 vs. 400 series vs. K702) - 15:53 Amplification - 18:29 Genre - 20:32 Final Word - 21:52 Ask Me About My Grandchildren/Rap - 23:25 Do You Ever Have Recurring Dreams Of Plane Crashes? - 24:44

[@oldtom4583]

I own hifiman 400i headphones. no quality issues at all. sturdy, cables are well constructed and as far as i can tell not in any way prone to failure. i love these headphones. comfortable enough to wear for extended periods. best sounding cans i've ever owned. at their price point, you'll be hard pressed to do better.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yep! You must have an older production run model of the 400i which was built wonderfully. The 400i and Bryston is still the best combo I've ever heard. Really do love the headphone. Just wish HiFiMan would get their act together. Audio Advice doesn't even carry their products anymore.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@Immortal Hey man it was the Bryston BHA-1 which you can find here: www.moon-audio.com/bryston-bha-1-balanced-headphone-amplifier.html It was just an amazing audio experience. There are really no words for it, though I've talked about the encounter many times on this channel and my blog. I'm about to upload the DEVA review here in a bit. I would go with that. You'll see why in the video so stay tuned!!

[@opiekrumpus4182]

Been using my HIFI Man 400i for 3years now and never had any problems. Recently change my original ear pads with the Brainwavz velour pads. Sound and comfort is so much better. Mostly use for movies. What a great headphone to have.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah man you likely got one of the original run 400i's. Those things were rock solid. I had been demoing one at Audio Advice since around that time as well (2017). It's an amazing headphone for sure. How you been?

[@opiekrumpus4182]

@@HomeStudioBasics yeah must be sure is a fabulous headphone. Was watching John Carpenter's "The Thing" soundtrack just shines with this headphone. Ok you take care, peace.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

My man! Have you seen "They Live?"

[@opiekrumpus4182]

@@HomeStudioBasics Absolutely seen all of John's Carpenter's movies.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

Stu. Im here to report something major. I just bought an Ifi iPower 5v low noise power supply for my Zen Dac. WOW. Dude, im not shitting you. This $49 plug made an ENORMOUS difference. Everything is more detailed and crisp. It's unreal. Im so happy with this purchase and cannot recommend it enough.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Really bloke? That's awesome! Didn't even know anything about that. I will have to inquire with Lawrance about it. How you been?

[@MrAhuraMazda]

@@HomeStudioBasics doing well. Thanks for asking. Yeah, I was shocked. I thought it was snake oil but there was enough positive reviews to justify me taking the $50 risk and man was it worth it. It snapped everything into focus. Maybe my wires are just shitty but i cant deny it. Like much better sounding.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@MrAhuraMazda This just further reinforces my belief that iFi is a fantastic company. So great to hear! I suppose I would have to try it for myself. I've never been one for "Wires make stuff better" but your conclusions are very interesting + all of the positive reviews as you mentioned.

[@MRFUTURETECHNOLOGYGAMING]

HiFi man has been doing a stealth revision on all of their headphones recently so the newest batch should not have any issues and I believe they're using a different paint so everything should be fine

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Nice! Heard a little about this and glad they are finally doing something about it. I thought the Matte Black on the Sundara was incredible so hope they don't change that much. Thanks for the head up!

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Actually just emailed a rep who's been sending me stuff for demo. He told me it was a myth. Here's the transcript: "Hi there, they are mistaken. The only change was the glue used on the Sundara's pads. No stealth revisions, lol unless the glue change counts :-) There was a guy that declared there was but we have clarified with him, not sure why he thought there was much difference but you know, people." Not sure who he was referring to. I guess a glue fix is okay, since that was a main issue. But what about the cabling issues. Kind of frustrating. I'm probably going to inquire about that here in a bit.

[@EVR1AL]

@@HomeStudioBasics I'm using 400i latest ver all 3.5" since November, they're rock solid. SQ wise they are similar to DT880 250 but more wider scene and tiny bit responsive.

[@taskhunters5245]

Best kind of way to present a review ive wathed in the last two days ❄⛄

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Thank you so much man! Which HIFIMAN are you considering?

[@intoitreviews]

Great video Stu, thanks for the shoutout! Keep'em coming! Yeah, some people's sliders are super loose... mine are super tight... which I was thankful for, for longevity. They are a pain in the ass to adjust though.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Thanks man! That's interesting that there are inconsistencies in the slider itself.

[@intoitreviews]

@@HomeStudioBasics Yeah my left cup plastic moves too... some both sides move, others just one... lots of inconsistency in that build... HIFIMAN ;)

[@Tesseract9630]

Only if sundara didn't have qc issues. One of the major part the hd 600 series was considered legendery is because it was so reliable. People have used it over 10years and all parts are user replaceable. These planars probably won't last 2 years. Some people have reported sundara having driver failure in less than a month. If hifman can't make them reliable anytime soon ,then they should give them 2 year warrenty at least.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah it pisses me off for sure. I didn't have any issues with the Sundara but of course I've also never owned one. I did experience problems with the Ananda's cutting out on the left or right ear cup. I too have read reviews similar to what you mention, and also cabling issues seem to be consistent across some reviews as well. I think it's still possible to get a good model Sundara considering all of the positive reviews out there, but the odds you'll end up with a lemon are way higher than if you went with something else like the 600's. You're exactly right about the HD600. I've had mine since 2016 and it still looks and functions flawlessly. It's very disappointing to me that HiFiMan won't sack up and fix their f'ing headphones. Like it makes me mad just thinking about it because these same issues are present in many different product lines and iterations of newer models. What is so f'in hard about just rectifying whatever issue is there? It would likely take very little actual work to do but it seems like they want to use certain cheap materials and then sell them at exorbitant prices instead. The Sundara was a huge leap forward 2 years ago but now it seems like in retrospect it really wasn't considering that the same problems keep occurring.

[@redforrori]

FANTASTIC sound comparison! The graphic and info are both super helpful in understanding sound signatures. What I think about the sound of the 4xx is that they are a bit ouchy in terms of treble...but the detail is amazeballs. For that experience alone, they've been useful to a noob like me. I wish I'd seen this video first though, I'd have gotten the Sundara. Well, unless I had read the comments. UGH! What a shame that QC is so bad. :/

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Thank you!! Thank you for pointing that out about the 4XX because I've been saying it for awhile but it seems like people want to ignore that somewhat "meh" aspect of the sound. Def needs some EQ. Outside of that the headphone is fantastic though.

[@JTB--]

AKG doesn't seem to get enough love. Recently picked up the AKG K712 Pro and these are pretty amazing headphones. Especially if you want a triple threat headphone that does gaming and movies incredibly well too. I know most reviewers say the Sundara are the best bang for the buck headphone out there... but the HIFIMan Quality Control scares me. I'd say the K712 Pro's are the best bang for the buck headphone in that price range. If it came down to choosing between the K712 Pro's and the Sundara... I'm gonna take the K712 Pro's everyday.. and twice on Sunday homies!! See what I did there 😁

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Man I really am trying to get the K701 and K712 here for a shootout with K702!! AHH! And yeah I see what you did there my nizzle. I laughed out loud actually when I read it XD

[@carnasondrakith2553]

"I'm an audiophile ask about my grandchildren" - HSB wall

[@sdfgdfgsdfsdfsdfsgdf]

HIFIMAN never again i had two imbalance issues with sundara

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah they are going downhill unfortunately. Hope they fix these issues soon.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Also though HiFiMan is doing a stealth revision to all of their headphones so hopefully that remedies all of these issues. I had heard a bit about it but someone just commented on this video reinforcing the notion.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Well nevermind. Just spoke with a rep through email. That's a myth. Lol.

[@loucipher7782]

at first i thought my brand new Sundara had imbalance issues too my right side always sound weaker than my left driver but i confirm they had same volume level so i didnt bother to RMA it, after i got a Fiio K5 pro all of sudden they sound like they had the same power on both side, so i guess maybe most of the imbalance issues complaints are people driving it with a peanut.

[@crate718]

I own the 400i and I am in love with them. I am thinking of buying the sandera but I don’t want them to sound a like. Is it worth buying the sandera if you own the 400i?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

I'd say no. Sundara's treble is more subdued though. I wouldn't waste money on it though I'd probably just get a 400se which also improves on the treble issue without sounding too warm/dull.

[@loucipher7782]

*hi, can you check and confirm if the HE400i earpad plastic ring is compatible with Sundara? thanks*

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey Lou! Unfortunately I don't have them on hand at the moment.

[@loucipher7782]

@@HomeStudioBasics okay, thanks anyway. I find it weird that i can see plastic ring replacement everywhere for HE400 series, HE500 series, Susvara, Arya but never Sundara, even the sellers themselves are unsure. Think i'll just bite the bullet and buy one of them, i guess they are same size "hopefully"...

[@nisem0no]

My HE4XX had cable issues two months after purchase. And this was after minimal use over those two months. Basically the left side's cable connector isn't great, and when the cable has any resistance, or rests against anything and has to bend a bit, the sound can cut out. I was wearing a jacket and the sound kept cutting out, and I realised it was because the cable was pushing against the top of the jacket just after it exits the port. It still happens but I just make sure to keep still and not wear anything that may get in the cable's way so that it can go straight through to the amp. I'll have to buy a replacement cable when the left side properly gives out though, and I just hope its the cable and not the connector in the left cup that's wonky. More importantly - how many grandchildren do you have?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Yeah I've been trying to warn people about the 4XX a lot lately. I would go with the 2020 Revision 400i or DEVA at this point, with the third option being Sundara if you really want to take a gamble. Sundara's QC is better than 4XX for sure, but you still may have issues. I think for the most part they've ironed them out though. Don't quote me on that. I can absolutely recommend the DEVA or 2020 though. Both fantastic headphones. I have 4 grandchildren and they are the bees knees! Thank you for asking :) Let me know what you think about all this.

[@nisem0no]

@@HomeStudioBasics hehe good to know about the other models, thanks. I intend to get another planar but need something a bit more exciting and dynamic than the 4XX (and more comfortable - the earpads are a bit small for me are on the 4XX because of how thick the sides are), so yeah, looking at the LCD-1, but many people say it's overrated so I'm hesitant. Better imaging would be nice too as that isn't very strong on my 4XX, after testing it in competitive FPS games against the DT 770 and HD 660S. It could be due to the flatter signature too, but it's hard to say. Good thing you haven't forgotten your grandchildren yet! You look great for a grandparent too! :p what do you use for wrinkles?

[@Joaquiniii]

Would your recommendation change now that the 2020 HE400i is released? I’m stuck between these and the 4xx’s. BTW I got the zen dac amp due to your review and I couldn’t be any happier!

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Thank you my friend! I just reached out to HIFIMAN about the new model. Man does that look sweet. Thanks for the head up! If it's anything like the DEVA, (and the build looks identical), then yeah it's going to be a huge improvement as far as quality is concerned. Sound wise, the DEVA mostly mimics the overall character of previous iterations in the line, and is very similar to an original 400i. I can't speak to the sound of the new model, so sit tight! Have you seen my DEVA review? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bprKeaCmoauSprM

[@paulok2153]

Thinking about dabbling with something different. Enjoyed this video.

[@gehteuchnichtsan7911]

I own the k7xx and really loved it until I heard the sundara. Now I'm considering between the sundara and the he4xx. This was really helpful and funny. Thank you

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! You're welcome! I'd probably skip the 4XX. QC and build issues out the a**. Just forget about that one. I'd either go with Sundara, 2020 400i revision, or DEVA. DEVA if you want all that Bluetooth stuff, 2020 400i for a crisper, brighter sound, and Sundara for something warmer with less treble bite. It's very relaxed sounding. Both the DEVA and 2020 revision 400i fix all the build and QC issues with the others. With the Sundara, there's still the potential for problems, but the odds are more in your favor that you'll get a good one.

[@StanleyGriggsII]

Just won a eBay auction for HE4XX as I watched this. Coming from mainly using JVC SZ2000s and V-Moda M-100s, I'm interested in experiencing bass on these.

[@jdavis234]

Thanks for this! If a beginner was choosing between Drop 4xx and Senn 6xx, what would you recommend?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Wow that's kind of a toughie, but I would personally go 6XX. Better build, no treble spike. Those are the main differences. The planar sound is certainly quite amazing, but there are build issues with the 4XX so it may just break down on you. 6XX is a rock solid product and has been in some form or fashion for a long time. It's a better long term investment I would say. Sound is just perfect, in fact it's the perfect snapshot representation of the hobby. You'll always keep it around for reference vs. other headphones as it is kind of a benchmark.. Let me know what you decide! If you click that link in description "all audiophile drops" it will take you to a page and the 6XX is right there. I do make a small kick back if you decide to purchase, and it really helps the channel and my blog moving forward. Keep me posted man!

[@jdavis234]

Home Studio Basics Thanks for your reply. I was really interested in the planar sound and ended up getting the Sundara. In the future I may get the 6XX to compare but really liking these so far. Treble in particular is amazing.

[@MadMensDen]

Alright boy, thanks to this I think I've decided on my buying itenerary, I'm gonna get the Schiit Stack (Magni Heresy and Modi 3) and the 2020 version of the h400i, it helps that the 4xx are out of stock with vendors that ship to mexico. Might tweak the AMP/DAC setup, but def gonna get the 400i. I'm hoping the new revision has fixed a lot of the QC issues.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah man you're making the right choice. I'm probably going to purchase one just for the studio. Kind of have to chill on headphones a little lol. Just bought a 9600 and like 2-3 others XD I wouldn't bother with a 4XX anymore now that the 2020 revision 400i is out. 4XX is known for shoddy build. Have you seen any of my DEVA videos? Same exceptional build and updated comfort levels too as the revision 400i. Just a phenomenal headphone all around: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6rWl5-mjNWSl7M Also make sure to check out my store link! If you happen to purchase from any of my links, I will get a small kick back depending on where you are. It really helps the blog and channel moving forward so thank you! Keep me posted on your thoughts :) -Stu

[@MadMensDen]

@@HomeStudioBasics Yess, get them, you gotta admit they look kinda sexy, I hope they feel that way too. Haha, get this last one for now, and review the update, I'd love to see it even though I'm buying them already. I tried going through your store for the headset, but I could only get the shipping through amazon mexico and I couldn't buy from your link here. :c I haven't seen the DEVA review, but I'll check it out now.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

No worries man! Not a partner with them but it's okay! Keep me posted for sure :) The 2020 400i is absolutely gorgeous to me, even more so than the DEVA! :X

[@MadMensDen]

@@HomeStudioBasics @Home Studio Basics Ayo Stu! The HE 400i finally gets here on Monday! My pay got moved back a month so I can't buy the stack yet. But as soon as I get it all together I'll hit you up! I'm really excited!

[@wowashuwow]

@@MadMensDen hello! How's it going with the 400i? Mine's arriving tomorrow! :)

[@tcrystyan]

Hello there! So, if I already own the 4XX I dont need to "upgrade" to any of the 400 series that is newer :)

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man I don't recommend the 4xx anymore because of shoddy build but if yours is fine then yeah I wouldn't bother. A sundara could be an upgrade, but I would mostly just go straight to the Ananda if you want a true upgrade :)

[@tcrystyan]

@@HomeStudioBasics Thanks!

[@MrBlitzpunk]

Can you do the newer HE400 lineups? Like the 400i 2020 and 400SE?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Going to do a 400se video but for now: homestudiobasics.com/hifiman-he400se-review/

[@heres_the_sauce]

I bought the he400is a few years ago (the 2.5mm version) and I love them to death. The pads are extremely comfortable for me and they are so light I can wear them for hours, non fatiguing sound too. The only thing I didn't like was the stiff noisy stock cable (just ordered a custom one) and the plasticy build can creak when I move around too much. But the sound is god like. If I listen to fast music like infected mushroom, it's chilling. And orchestra sounds amazing too. I'm super sad to hear the later versions are not up to spec. If these ever break I might have to try the sundaras

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah man! Sundara is more laid back with less in your face treble, but still an almsot perfect sound. It's just a tad too warm/somewhat dull in the mids at times. You may enjoy this article I did on my first experience with the 400i: homestudiobasics.com/the-hifiman-he400i-will-change-your-life/

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@HomeStudioBasics I describe the Sundara's as "Whispery" when it comes to the rock/metal frequencies, those are about 2-3 desibels below target from 1500 Hz to 2750 Hz, and 5.5 desibels below target at around 5750 hz, making those genres sound very recessed and soulless compared to every other genre. It does every other genre perfectly, it's just it has very slight dips in the very specific frequencies that rock/metal consists of... However... With Equalizer APO + Peace (totally free and works like a charm), fixing it it is very possible, with some effort, i've managed to bring back the soul in rock/metal, and somehow it also defined the edges of EDM too, so now Infected Mushroom sounds mindblowingly good, moreso than before, lmao. xD

[@axchisler]

@@MyouKyuubi Wow, IDK how you guys aren't hearing the treble out of the Sundaras, While I wouldn't call them "peaky" I find there's enough treble. I listen to a lot of 80's metal and I find they sound great for that genre. You guys make them sound like they suffer from the "Sennheiser veil." I don't find that to be the case. Mine are about 6 months old, it's currently Feb. 11 2022. I'd like to get a pair of the 400i 2020's to compliment these and take away some of the wear and tear. Don't wanna break or wear out the pads on your headphones? Just buy more ;-)

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@axchisler "You guys make them sound like they suffer from the "Sennheiser veil."" Spoken like someone who doesn't know what the sennheiser veil even is. "I listen to a lot of 80's metal and I find they sound great for that genre." The sennheiser veil makes the sound a bit 2-dimensional and adds an ever so slight distortion, or... grain? It's hard to describe with my shtty vocabulary. The sennheiser veil, compliments rock music, exceedingly well, as rock music gets ENHANCED by adding some, let's call it "dirt" to the track, it's messy and fun music, so adding more mess, just makes it more fun... Sennheiser veil, IS that dirt. That's why rock sounds so good on most sennheiser headphones... And honestly, i'm not even sure it's a Sennheiser veil, i'm pretty sure it's just a dynamic driver veil. I find the same qualities coming out of other brands of dynamic headphones, same thing with Beyerdynamics, as well as Focals. Something you don't get with planars, like the Sundara. :P Hence why the Sundara sounds abit off when listening to Rock music, when you've been listening to the Sennheiser veil, your entire life, up until that point, of course. :P I now realize, the Sundara is actually just presenting the track as it really is.

[@axchisler]

@@MyouKyuubi Dude you need to look up the definition of veil.

[@michaelswitzer3186]

Some advice please. I on the hi-fi man 400 S and the Sennheiser 58X Jubilee and like them both very much. With the Sundara be sufficient upgrade to what ion? I am older and don’t play music with loud volume; I mostly like vocals and classical music. Thanks.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man what did you mean by "With the Sundara be sufficient upgrade to what ion?" Sorry I think maybe it auto corrected wrong or something. As far as an upgrade, I don't necessarily think going from a 400S to a Sundara is an upgrade per se. I just think the Sundara paints the musical portrait a bit differently with regard to the treble being more relaxed, and the overall sound warmer. If you think you'd like that more laid back vibe, I say go for it, but have you heard about the new DEVA? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bprKeaCmoauSprM

[@limmingjun7930]

Hey just want ur opinion about he400s in 2022?

[@A.Liev94]

Hey dude! Wich headphones are better in sound quality between Sundara and K702? My types of music are rock, electro, rap, pop, classic, accoustic. I would use it with an Ibasso DX160 or another better DAP

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Hmm. I think it depends on the type of flavor you're after. The K702 is snappier, and a bit more open, with greater depth and width to the image. It has a better Soundstage I would say. The mid-range is also going to be more forward with instruments and vocals. I personally find it a perfect balance. Not too shouty. Same goes with the treble. I find it has just the right amount of sparkle and never gets out of line, sibilant, or essy. I can wear a K702 for hours without a hint of musical fatigue. Bass wise, there's a nice mid-bass bump which is also done perfectly for me. There is a bit of roll off in the sub bass regions, but I don't really mind it. The Sundara rolls off around the same as the K702 give or take, but has less overall mid-bass emphasis. You'll find the Sundara is more relaxed in the mid-range and sometimes sounds a tad too syrupy for my tastes, though I still consider it one of the top 5 best under $500. Same goes for the 702. The Sundara reminds me of a 650 in the way it kind of tries to lull you to sleep. It's uber relaxation mode. The treble on the Sundara is also darker as well. Overall, the Sundara is pretty warm and smoothed over, while the K702 is crisper, livelier, and snappier. Instrument Timbre is where these 2 really shine, especially with acoustic passages and Jazz. I've always said that the planar sound does tend to outperform a dynamic in this regard, but man is it ever close. The 702 sounds eerily close to being as good as a planar with respect to Timbre, but I think the Sundara does slightly edge it. What do you think? For me it depends on my mood. I find myself reaching for a K702 more often than my other headphones, and I think it's because it somehow manages to sound both crisp and natural at the same time. Do keep in mind that the 702 is not going to be one of those headphones you'll want to push really hard. It doesn't respond well when you try and blast it, so that may factor into your decision. The Sundara may provide more slam for you if that's what you're after. Still, I can't get over how "true" and how "right" the 702 is in all regards. A great all around genre performer. What do you think? Check out the article as well: homestudiobasics.com/the-5-best-audiophile-headphones-for-under-500/

[@A.Liev94]

@@HomeStudioBasics Thanks dude, it really helped me to take a better desition, I'll check tour page, and yea it's really awesome they scene that k702 can do, and by the way its cheaper it could be k702 ir k701 but the sundara in my case I've founded 2000 pesos more expensive about the cost of the k702, and by other hand the balanced cable is some expensive too, so I will follow your advice and gonna buy the k702 and a powerfull DAP. You're great dude, thank you si much for your attention!

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Maximum Bro Fist 👊🤓 Keep me posted and you're welcome man!

[@A.Liev94]

@@HomeStudioBasics Jajaja of course bro! Actually I've posted something un your page about the K702... But my phone sucks and I can't posted my question in your blog!

[@A.Liev94]

By the way I'll post you in the Home Studio Basics about the points that I would like to know about the K702 dude

[@DragonWhisper14]

I was also bothered by the headband on the 4xx at first, tried it with one of those knitted headband covers and it was a little better. Then got the dekoni nuggets and I think that pretty much fixed all my comfort issues with it

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Nice! Really do like the 4XX outside of 9-10k. If I owned one I'd def have to EQ it down a few dB. Those nuggets look good! Is this what you have? dekoniaudio.com/product/dekoni-audio-nuggets-headphone-headband-pressure-relief-pads-4-pack/

[@DragonWhisper14]

@@HomeStudioBasics yes! They are awesome

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@DragonWhisper14 They actually look appetizing XD

[@pasi123567]

Hey man I am still struggling if I should try out the Sundara. I have the K702 and I love them, though sometimes they seem a bit too wide. I also had HD600 and DT880 but I didn't like both. Too intimate on the HD600 and too punchy bass on the DT880. Should I try to get these as an upgrade to my K702's ? Mainly searching for something that has like less width but a sound that is similar "big" sounding.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Yeah the Sundara would be cool, but have you seen my comparison to the newer DEVA? The DEVA may be just what you're looking for actually: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6rWl5-mjNWSl7M Let me know what you think!

[@pasi123567]

@@HomeStudioBasics So you think that with EQ (which I always use) I could get a better experience with the DEVA right? Cause they look a lot more comfortable Edit: Reviews online are a bit weird, some say the soundstage is worse than the Sundara, some say its better, so I have no clue in that regards, same with the bass, some say its better, some worse. How would you explain it? I definitely like soundstage, well I like a big, roomy sound actually, though the K702 souns slightly diffuse.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah man the DEVA is a marked improvement in comfort. I haven't once had to adjust or take them off my head for any reason, and I've been demoing them for months now! The bass is a tad light, but I just EQ it. You saw the video I linked, I assume? It's important to note that the roll off isn't crazy or anything, but yeah, it can benefit from some sub bass meat. I don't always need the EQ preset, but I use it sometimes. Soundstage on the DEVA is above average but not as grand or wide as something like a K702. You will have some out of your head moments, but it's not going to happen all the time if that makes sense. Sundara isn't worse or better really, it's just a matter of flavor. The comparison also goes into this. I wouldn't personally pay much attention to people that would nit pick about the differences in the bass. To me that's just silly. They both roll off roughly the same. The Sundara isn't magically better, and neither is the DEVA. It's important to note that sound signatures from the same manufacturer in a similar line rarely deviate that much from the house sound. The differences in the treble are absolutely there, but overall they follow a similar trajectory with regards to the frequency spectrum. Hope that helps! Let me know :)

[@pasi123567]

@@HomeStudioBasics I finally got the Deva here. They are a bit weird to me. I like that the soundstage is not too wide like my K702, but the problem I have with the Deva is that they never sound focused. They always sound distant and muffled but also harsh in the upper treble. Is this just a Hifiman/Deva thing or a planar thing, that the sound all seems a bit too unfocused and far away? Planars have great bass though. What I did not say the first comment is, that I am searching for a headphone with a "big" sound like the deva but with a great center image and awesome string texture. I couldn't find any other headphone with great string sounds. Most headphones miss the reverb effect strings should produce and the AKG does it the best. Any ideas what else I could try?

[@nathanpickering6742]

I just ordered the 400i, not the 2020 version, but I wanted to get these because I wanted to try out some planar magnetic headphones for the first time, and these were a great price at 227 cad. I have the Monolith THX 788 AMP/DAC combo to pair these with so I'm curious if there's anything I should eq right away to optimize these the best.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man congrats! Great purchase. You'll probably want to EQ the treble down a bit. Let me know your initial impressions.

[@nathanpickering6742]

@@HomeStudioBasics thanks man! Yeah I'm excited, especially reading into planar technology and understanding what it does, it seems pretty interesting. Thanks for the tip, there isn't much EQ control on this amp, but I can adjust lower and high frequency gain, and then adjust the frequencies which are shown at 120hz by default for the low frequency section, and then at 8khz I think for the high frequency section. That's for the shelf eq. Not sure how to properly adjust those though. Still new to headphone amps so I'm tryna learn.

[@nathanpickering6742]

@@HomeStudioBasics For sure I'll let ya know once they come in this week👍.

[@sebbo1496]

@@nathanpickering6742 i recently got the 2020 He400i and they are just amazing. what i love about the planar sound is that it kind of sounds like water or something. it's so smooth but also clear. very hard to put into words. what i also noticed is due to that and also due to the tuning/tonality of the headphone i can listen pretty loud and it's not very fatiguing. not talking ear rape loud but some other headphones i tested i had the issue that when i went up to feel more immersed in the music, things got annoying. these are so pleasant but also clear and detailed. inviting but engaging too. they are definately a winner and probably a keeper for me. this smoothness is so much more enjoyable than the kind of smoothness some really warm and muddy or i guess veiled headphones have.

[@nathanpickering6742]

@@sebbo1496 Thats awesome man!, thats encouraging to hear. I didn't get the 2020 version, but the older version does have updated material and wiring now though so alot of the complaints it had before should be gone. I might end up getting a balanced XLR cable down the line too if I have a problem with the wire. But yeah man I'm curious to see how different it sounds from my dt1990pros. I love those headphones because of how detailed it is and how crisp the highs are, along with a quick, precise, and detailed bass. Definitely sound better with the analytical pads too. But if I try and turn up the volume to get more immersed, it can be a little too shrill at times and give me a head ache, and be a little to detailed at points. If I can crank the volume and also enjoy nice detailed highs without it hurting, then that'll be awesome. I'm curious to how much more open the soundstage is since the 1990s are more semi open back headphones.

[@thirtyacres7504]

I'm torn. I'm waiting on the HE4XX. It's on the way. Now I read about the 400i (2020 version) and the build just seems better and more comfortable. Decisions decisions. Meanwhile, I wonder if I should just go for the Sundara, or Ananda or Edition XX.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah dude I'm not recommending 4xx now that the 2020 revision 400i has come out. Did you see my DEVA videos? It's exactly like that fantastic build and comfort only in black. I will be getting one for the studio. Buying a 4xx is taking a considerably large gamble.

[@thirtyacres7504]

@@HomeStudioBasics Thanks man! I ended up returning it. Will go with the 400i 2020 version. Thank you for your videos. You've been very helpful!

[@wowashuwow]

@@HomeStudioBasics would you say the Deva is better than the 400i? Torn between these two please send help:/

[@EdgeMasterPro]

I have 400S I modded them by removing the fabric over the mesh. I actually like the velour pads because they are cool on my head and don’t make my ears feel sweaty hot. Sadly the 400s are looking sad all the fake leather fell apart on headband and it looks ready to break and ear pads dying. Is the Sandara ear holes and comfort the same as the 400s. I don’t like the 400s cable have an after market one but the 2.5mm jacks too flimsy.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! The Sundara's cups are similar, but I believe the original 400S had the pads without the protein leather (gosh I can't remember the actual name), while the Sundara's use the Focus pads (with the leather). The pad issue is apparent in all of them unfortunately (they all flatten out). Are you asking if you should get a Sundara? It is built much better than the original 400i and 400S. You could also go for a 2020 revision 400i which utilizes the same amazing updated build as the DEVA. Both the DEVA's signature and the 2020 400i are similar to the original 400S and 400i, while the Sundara's sound is warmer with more relaxed treble. So to sum up, I think for you it's either Sundara or 2020 400i. Just decide on which sound signature you'd rather have. :) Let me know if that helps!

[@EdgeMasterPro]

@@HomeStudioBasics I brought some new Dekoni elite velour pads for my old 400S cans, I am waiting for the replacement fake leather headband I purchased from hi fi man. I did remove the fabric cover from he pads and also fix up a loose / vibrating wire in one can when I pulled them apart. I expect when the new headband arrives they will be as good as new. I really like them because of the low impedance I can drive them from an iphone/dongle. Which is pretty amazing. Of course my NAD 3020D does a better job at driving them but seriously at low listening levels I dont know if I could pick it on blind listening.

[@MomentaryStir]

Nice review. Would you say there a big difference regarding sound quality between HE4XX and Sundara apart from the different sound signature?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man thanks! As far as quality, I still prefer the Sundara's somewhat smoothed over warmth (similar to the relationship between 650 and 600). the 4XX's treble does kind of bother me but apart from that it's a fantastic sound. There are certain songs that will just be too treble happy/bitey/sibilant but perhaps it's more song dependent. Still, if you look at a graph there's a clear peak and it does need to come down some. You could always mod it or EQ 9-10k down a bit. I would still personally prefer a Sundara long term though. Let me know what you think!!

[@MomentaryStir]

@@HomeStudioBasics I agree with everything you said about the 4XX - I sense too the treble is metallic in timbre at times, I've also EQd down the 8500-9500hz region, but reduced 200-250hz region as well which sounded resonant to my ears (maybe it's just my cans). Unfortunately I could not afford too soon a headset as expensive as the Sundara in my country (Romania). I was nonetheless curious if the 150$ difference is worth it, now that Drop introduced so much lower prices for Hifiman products. I think I'll subscribe btw, you're doing an outstanding job! :)

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@MomentaryStir Hmm. How is the sound of the 4XX after EQ? You may not bother with a Sundara but let me know. Thank you so much for your support! Be on the lookout for some cool stuff coming soon (including a desktop best of).

[@MomentaryStir]

@@HomeStudioBasics They mask their imperfections quite well after EQ. I've modified them to sound flat with a bit of extra warmth in the mids. They now sound like a wide Sennheiser with distortion-free planar subbass. Also, I added a slight crossfeed effect in order to fill the middle of the soundstage which lacked in presence. I'm completely pleased about them, not looking to replace them anytime too soon (if they last me).

[@sethagastya]

Cleșiu Marian Cătălin hey can you explain the mods that you did on your 4xx? Thanks! :)

[@juanpacheco4603]

What DAC/AMP do you recomend to Sundara ?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! I would check out this article on 4 that will pair very well: homestudiobasics.com/ifi-zen-vs-fiio-k5-pro-vs-jds-atom-vs-bravo-ocean/ Those are the ones you should be looking at for your desktop with a Sundara :) Check it out and leave me a comment on the blog and we can narrow it down based on your thoughts. I think a K5 Pro or Zen would be perfect.

[@juanpacheco4603]

@@HomeStudioBasics Thanks you

[@juanpacheco4603]

@@HomeStudioBasics Thanks, I already bought the Fiio k5 pro

[@Samuell1124]

I’m current using a DF red to drive my Sundara. Is there any dac/ amp suggestions that I can upgrade to?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! What about an l30/e30 ?? Check the video here and let me know what you think! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3q4nWqsYq11jas

[@GamerFreak670]

I've just recently sort of joined in on this audiophile thing, I currently have a pair of DT990 pro's with a Fiio K5pro amp/dac, I enjoy this pairing quite a bit but there are definitely a lot of issues I have with the DT's. Mainly the treble is a bit too hot, even after EQ and it has this very unnatural sound to a lot of things, although that part is mostly fixed with an EQ. I'm wondering if the Sundaras would be a good upgrade, currently in AU they're $500, however the HD600 is $450, I'm a bit concerned with the HD600 as I think I typically do prefer a little bit more treble than those have, although I haven't heard them before. Mainly asking as currently we can only order things online so I don't have a chance to test either of these out. Lastly would the K5 pro be fine with the sundara? As a side note the He400i 2020 edition is $250, so half the price of either

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Apologies for not getting to this back when I hearted it. Have you decided on something? If not, you're in the right place with the Sundara, but also the 6XX is great too. Where are you located though? 2020 revision 400i shouldn't be $250. It's around $169 where I am. Check out this article it should really help you narrow it down if you haven't already :) homestudiobasics.com/the-5-best-audiophile-headphones-for-under-500/ Keep me posted!

[@GamerFreak670]

@@HomeStudioBasics Its all good!! I ended up with the HD600, it seems like it suited my needs more, wanted a smaller soundstage, more mid forward, slightly less treble but not non-existent treble. I'm in AUS so 6XX isn't really an option and all the prices are about 20-50% more here. Had the 600's for a week so far, completely perfect for what I want, such an incredible headphone. Makes my music so much sweeter. Glad I went for 600's over 650/6XX's, can't really comment about sundara as I skipped it for 600's but definitely not wanting for anything anymore, much better than the 990's tbh. I enjoy that these sound like whatever the studio wanted the music to sound like, big bassy song, sounds big and bassy etc

[@Izou96]

Do you think any of those 400 series could be driven fully by sony zx300 in its balanced jack? Specially those he400i, it is discounted to $120 here, and im tempted to take it but afraid i cant fully drive it with my zx300

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man if what I'm reading is correct here: www.moon-audio.com/sony-nw-zx300-walkmanr-with-high-resolution-audio.html balanced is 200mW at 16 Ohm. I think it would be fine for the 400 series esp. if you go with a 400S. None of the headphones are really that hard to drive, But: That price for the 400i is still a ridiculous bargain and basically a steal. Just be aware of the build issues mentioned in the video. I would personally take that risk but not everyone is like me. I also happen to have really good luck with stuff never breaking down. Out of unbalanced though just forget about it lol. You'll need something else. You mostly portable?

[@alejandroberrios4756]

Hey man, I just discovered your channel and this video is just what I needed. I just bought the HD 400is two weeks ago and love them so far. Right now I'm using them for my IPhone but with the Schiit Fulla 3 powering them and I find that for most of my listening (through a Spotify) the Fulla 3 powers them plenty loud. But every now and then I hit a song that I'd like to pump louder, but I simply can't. Also, I just tried to use them with my PS4 (again using the Fulla 3's line in connected to my PS4 controller with 3.5mm sux cable) and while they were certainly at a listenable volume, I'd prefer it to be quite a bit louder, but I guess the Fulla 3 only has but so much power. If I were to get the Dragonfly red, and connect that to the Fulla 3's line-in, do you think I'd get a significant boost in volume while listening through my phone? Idk if there'd be anyway to get it to work with the PS4, but if it could beef up the volume from my phone (in conjunction with the Fulla or to the point that I wouldn't need to use the Fulla) then I'd consider it a worthy purchase.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! You're fulla schiit. LOL. I made a funny! My advice would be to get rid of that schiit. Haha. Seriously though I took a quick look at specs and 400mW into 16 Ohm is about the same as the Zen so I can see what you mean. The Zen does have a gain button. Does the Fulla? The DragonFly Red is always a good purchase my friend. I did try it with the PS4 and it doesn't really get loud enough but somehow does work. It just takes a bit of fiddling to get it to come through your audio settings. Kind of not really recommended though. I've also tried running the DragonFly Red from the PS4 into something else via line and it didn't really do much. So as for your question, no. It's still dependent on the amp really. If you were to get a DragonFly Red you wouldn't really have a need for the Fulla, at least power wise. The Fulla is really versatile though. So yeah, you wouldn't need the Fulla anymore from a volume standpoint. I might suggest getting a dedicated gaming rig for your PS4 though. Does that sound like something you'd be interested in?

[@alejandroberrios4756]

Home Studio Basics thanks for the response Stu. I don’t really need a gaming rig at the moment because I usually get audio from my Polk Hampden speakers (connected to my tv via Bluetooth) and once I crank those babies up high they pack a hell of a punch, I just figured for late at night gaming switching to headphones so that I’m. Not disturbing any neighbors, but I’m not gaming late every night so that’s not a top priority. More than anything I just want something to power the 400i’s while connected to my phone better. I’m consider the Dragonfly Red for sure, I also have read up on the Periodic Audio Nickel portable amo and that apparently packs a lot of power too, so I think I’ll just end up replacing that piece of Schiit with something more powerful. Again thanks for the response!

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@alejandroberrios4756 Yeah man my pleasure! Let me know how it goes and keep me updated. Just make a new comment since I rarely see replies :)

[@yttean98]

Get the cheapest HE model with no reliability issues eg cabling then apply software filters to equalize to your heart's content, I bet all these cans will sound VERY SIMILAR and difficult to tell apart in a blind test unless you have a golden ear, reason: all these HPs have the same DNA ie a Planar driver.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Very true man! They do have subtle differences without EQ, but if you were to EQ them similarly across the board it would be hard to tell them apart.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@Immortal Hey man! In a nutshell a planar utilizes more magnets spread around the diaphragm (evenly) which results in less distortion and a more natural sound, better Instrument Timbre, resolution, etc.. Check this video I commented to Amuria a bit more in depth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYukhZ1urZeBarM Just scroll down until you see Amuria Iris' comment :) Comment on that video too!!

[@alphawolfgaming69420]

is the sundara way better than he400i if I listen to classical?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Well, you're Albert Einstein. Shouldn't you know the answer to this question already? Why are you asking me, the lowly servant? HAHA! Just kidding man. Yeah I would be inclined to say so. The Sundara is warmer, and warmer is ALWAYS better when it comes to Classical, trust me. I've been having issues for months now trying to find a good headphone for the Genre. K612 is good, probably better than K702 because 612 is a bit warmer. The SHP9600 is also very good because it's a bit smoother and warmer. Noticing a trend? Sundara is also fairly smooth and warmed over. I just find that these types of headphones jive well with Classical because of it's volatile nature and tendency to go from quiet to loud in a hurry. Most neutral headphones don't handle this very well. I had heard some years back that a somewhat heavier low end also helps, and I kind of scoffed at the notion at the time. Looking back, I can honestly say whomever wrote that was spot on. A bit of extra bass does indeed help, and the Sundara certainly has great low end extension. So yeah, I think so! 400i is a bit too essy in the treble for me at times, while the Sundara is def more laid back. I say go for it! I'm listening to some Debussy right now actually :)

[@alphawolfgaming69420]

thanks! I have a few question: does amp or dac matters, if so, what would you suggest for sundara?And should I get a dac or amp for he400i or just use the sundara?

[@DakTirCue]

Hey Stu .. how's it hanging man... So far I'm digging the 4xx... too bad it only took 27 days to be delivered ;) They seem pretty well built to me. The only thing I don't like is that they are not nearly as comfortable as the Senns 6xx (oval pad) .. They start to hurt my ears after about 20 minutes. Guess i'll be looking into aftermarket pads. Hope all is well man.. ready for Spring?

[@L0nkero]

I also had some comfort problems with 400i, I think the pads were a bit too small and felt a bit hard/stiff. I wasnt really able to wear them longer than lets say one hour or so.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah man, it's hard to beat the 600 series for comfort. I cannot overstate how comfortable a 600 sits on your head. It's almost like a dream or something. I mentioned the Dekoni's in the video and blog. What do you think? Also you know I'm ready for spring. Today's yielding some very nice weather. It's about 60 and sunny, and feels like a preview of what's to come!!! Truth be told, we've had a pretty mild winter here though. It hasn't even been that cold save for the wimpy snow we got a few days ago. How are things with you otherwise?

[@L0nkero]

I dont have much memories of HD 650's comfort but I think they were ok. HD 598 is amongst the most comfortable headphones Ive worn, some others worth mentioning are AKG K712 Pro, AQ Nightowl, Denon D2000 and Takstar Pro 82. Comfort on Pro 82 was something almost ridiculous, putting them on my head felt almost orgasmic lol.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@L0nkero Hey man! Were you using the original pads, focus pads, or something else?

[@L0nkero]

@@HomeStudioBasics Originals I guess.

[@Shinjutsu211]

hello sir, Among the options he4xx, he400i 2020, he400s. which one has the best sound for bass and soundstage ?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man they're all roughly the same as far as Soundstage goes. Bass is roughly the same as well. I'd purchase based on QC/reliability. Go with the 2020 revision and don't look back! It mimics the same updated build of the DEVA and is very well constructed.

[@mateojarquin]

What about *only* using a DFR to power one of these?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man that will be fine as it has plenty of power. As far as pairings, Sundara + Red will be very ideal as the Red is open, clear, and crisp sounding so it kind of helps with the Sundara being a bit overly warm at times. With the 400i, 400S, and 4XX, maybe the combo is a bit too much since those are brighter cans but I still love the Red and use one often i.e. it's not going to matter much to you as the difference is subtle. DF Red is always a great choice! Nowadays I mostly use it as a DAC into other amps because I demo lots of stuff, but it's very valuable and reliable.

[@mateojarquin]

@@HomeStudioBasics hell yeah thanks man! Dongle life

[@giorgivashakidze4805]

Hi, do I have to buy high quality aux or arc cables? (if “yes” which one) or does amazon basic cable work?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Are you talking about cables into the ear cups?

[@giorgivashakidze4805]

Home Studio Basics hi, i try to connection Dragonfly Red to Bravo audio ocean. Which cable can you recommend?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Any old 3.5mm interconnect will do my friend!! I wouldn't go with the absolute cheapest lol but maybe somewhere in the middle like Goldilocks and the 3 bears porridge. XD

[@giorgivashakidze4805]

Home Studio Basics Thank you, today I will finally get bravo Ocean and listen in tandem with dragonfly red with he4xx. thank you once 🤛❤️

[@AKBAAR_]

luvly

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Thanks mate!

[@rayrocks1224]

Hybrid or leather Dekoni pads if I have the 4xx?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hybrids are the replica of the Focus pads right?dekoniaudio.com/product/dekoni-audio-elite-hybrid-earpads-for-select-hifiman-headphones/ I personally prefer those over the Sheepskin's actually. It's not that the Sheep's are not comfortable, but I just like how the other ones feel on my head. It's softer, and more intimate. It feels like a warm hug whereas the Sheep's feel kind of like your cold Uncle Harry who never asks you how your life is going. LOL.

[@bandhanjha8563]

Looking for an upgrade from shp 9500. Is 4xx a good enough ? I'm worried about the treble spikes

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! Outside of that peak it's pretty much a perfect headphone. Do you EQ at all? I'd just lower 8-10k by a few dB and you should be fine. I think it would be a great upgrade as planars do tend to outperform a dynamic headphone in pretty much every way. Plus it's freakin' dirt cheap like they're almost giving it away at this point. To get a planar for that price is a steal and will be a great introduction into them.

[@bandhanjha8563]

@@HomeStudioBasics thanks man. Just one more thing....was checking out reviews and some people claimed that way too bass light. Is that something to worry about ?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

No worries! I mean if you're coming from a 9500 you'll likely enjoy the bass and find it has a bit more impact. I wouldn't call it bass light, but it's definitely not going to slam or anything. I really enjoy the articulation of a 400 series bass to be honest. Are you a bass head? Also if you get a 4XX through my drop link in the description it helps out the site and channel. Keep me posted!

[@bandhanjha8563]

@@HomeStudioBasics Would love to help 🙂. If I'm getting it that would definitely be from your link .

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@bandhanjha8563 Thanks man! What did you decide?

[@fixxxer4234]

i plan to replace (add to collection, as second) my 712pro with Sundara. Have you heard how the 712 perform in the low freq compared to the Sundara? Do you think its a proper buy? (price aside) Using Magni 3+

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Hey man! I haven't A/B'd those, but it's interesting to note that both only roll off by about 5dB in the bass, so there's plenty of extension. I think the Sundara has some of the best bass articulation of all the mid-fi headphones I've heard. It's really a dream. Sundara is always a proper buy, and I think the stealth revision improved on the issues that were apparent in some earlier models. I noticed the ratings on Amazon have improved tremendously and was just talking with someone about it yesterday. Check out my Top 5 Under $500. It should really help you pull the trigger on one! homestudiobasics.com/the-5-best-audiophile-headphones-for-under-500/

[@raphiki07]

I already have a HD6xx, ATH-AD900x, & 300MMX G2(muh games). I have a HA204 amp/splitter with a BTR5 on the way. I'll get a Drop THX 789 later. I'm looking for an Classical/Opera/Choral music phone. It's down to HE4xx, DT880 250 ohm.. and K7xx kinda third. I'm bi-curious about the Planar sound signature and what it's great for. Recommendations anyone?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

I'd probably swing towards K7XX for that. My issue with classical is that it's super super picky about headphones and a lot of the time gets shrill, at least with stuff like Debussy in my experience. A bright headphone for me with Classical is a no go. There ends up being way too much volume adjusting and headache. I've found the K702/K612 does best with it per my exp. A planar like the 4XX/DEVA/Sundara wold def be a close second though. What kind of Classical do you prefer?

[@raphiki07]

@@HomeStudioBasics Hey Stu. Thanks for the reply man! My top are choral orchestra like Symphony No.9 because its so grand, Sam Barber Funeral Ikos. Next is Opera, Nessum Dorma Pavarotti, Night Queen Diana Damrau, Flower Duet so heavenly lol. I also like piano like Moonlight Sonata, Claire De Lune. I do have to run down the ATH AD-900x volume compared to 6xx. And this is on my old ass HA204 splitter "amp." You think still K7xx? I still wonder how close it is to ATH AD-900x. I might add movie watching, but not as important.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

My pleasure man! I really liked the 900x but it was kind of dry for my tastes like almost dull in a way. K7xx series variants have an unmistakable flavor that I just really enjoy. Keep in mind I haven't heard a 900x in a couple of years though. So you're trying to decide if getting a 7xx would be better than you're 900x?

[@raphiki07]

@@HomeStudioBasics I see. I'm about to bite the bullet on a THX 789 AAAAAAAA. No DAC yet, maybe GSX 1000 or Smsl SU-8(dunno if it's customizability is my thing). Final question do you think the K7xx would be closer sound signature to the AD900x compared to 4xx??? People seem like to talk about 4xx clarity(neutrality?), but lack of imaging. more than 7xx? I have a co-worker with a HE 400i. I might try that before deciding. I do hear K7xx is decent for orchestra, decent for competitive gaming FPS (but Metro Exodus + Dolby Atmos + HD6xx is dashit!!), great for movies.

[@rsvp9816]

what causes the cut out of sound issue?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

That's a fantastic question! I really can't give you a definitive answer on that actually, but: It seems HIFIMAN has finally fixed whatever it was in both the DEVA and 2020 Revision 400i. Which one of these is on your radar?

[@guybuddy1]

Just got my HiFiMan x Drop HE-X4. I wanted to try them because a friend swore they sounded better than the Sundaras. Short conclusion is, they don't... but holy shit they come really close and they don't even cost half of what the Sundaras cost. Wtf is going on with HiFiman? lol

[@Tripokaridos22]

Do they work after 1 month ? Thats the challenge

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Haha yeah man it's not that serious but you should be weary. The older model 400i's were pristine. I used to demo one all the time at Audio Advice. Hey be on the lookout for a HIFIMAN DEVA Unbox & First Impressions vid tmw. It seems as though they may have rectified some of these issues. I really hope so. The DEVA is somethin' serious! Were you thinking about investing in a HIFIMAN?

[@Tripokaridos22]

@@HomeStudioBasics I just discovere your channel and its great. I have all 5 and 6 series from Sennheiser and i am ready for Sundara hope i am lucky one without Problems because warranty is just 1 year.

[@Tripokaridos22]

@@HomeStudioBasics deva are the wireless ones ?

[@MyouKyuubi]

20:08 Tube amp with a planar magnetic headphone? You gon' have a bad time, brutha. xD

[@L0nkero]

I just write a comment here to see will it disappear. 👀

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Nope! It's here! WOOO!!!

[@loucipher7782]

*so the 400s is bad? i bought it for $140*

[@HomeStudioBasics]

No no! The 400S is very good. I actually prefer it over the 4XX. It's a bit cooler sounding than the Sundara. Vs. teh 400i, also a tad cooler and more laid back. I don't feel like the treble on it is quite as essy as the 400i which is why I really love it. I found myself being able to wear it for quite a bit without any musical fatigue. That's a fantastic price! I'd hang on to it for sure. What pads did you get with them?

[@loucipher7782]

@@HomeStudioBasics no pads, i told the seller to not ship it and refund me so i can buy again the HE400i 2020 edition for the same price or slightly lower during 11-11 sales. I watch several reviews and it sounded like the 400s need to replace pads and cable for it to be decent lol, hope i made the right call. Btw which is better for movies and anime?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah they are basically giving the 2020 400i away lol. I want to get one real soon. I mean pads are going to wear out regardless, but yeah the originals on the 400S do flatten out quite a bit. I love how they feel though. The newer pads will probably last a bit longer, so I could see that. The cable also does fray on the 400S. Thing is, the DEVA's cable is about the same. Could be a bit better as far as that goes. Only time will tell. I think the 2020 400i has the same cable as DEVA, but don't quote me on that. I don't mind the DEVA's although it's a bit stiff and rigid for my tastes. Listening now actually :) Haven't listened to the 400S in quite a while (since this video), but the DEVA is fantastic for movies. I think you're really going to love the 2020 400i. Keep me posted!

[@loucipher7782]

@@HomeStudioBasics i actually bought the Sundara for about 265 usd after vouchers and cashbacks lol. Some people say its not worth twice the price of he400i yet i keep seeing it as the top tier recommendation so yea i just pull the trigger on it and skip the he400 alltogether lol. Maybe years down the road i will get the Ananda when it drops to $300 since their price keep dropping...

[@loucipher7782]

so at first i bought the Sundara i am disappointed that it isnt much improvement over my previous headphone, then once i play Billie Eilish album all of sudden i hear ASMR WTF ...the details....

[@gazzabazzazza]

I'm here for the twerking

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Haha! Wondering where my boy is can't remember his name he's the one who always requests it. I think Kirilo Pavlenko. Haven't seen him in awhile. Need to put out an APB on that boy.

[@antoinep9733]

Most of us are here for the twerking.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@antoinep9733 XD LOL

[@danrdey]

Very useful review . Thank you !

[@HomeStudioBasics]

My pleasure man! So glad it helped you! You thinking about going with one of these?

[@danrdey]

@@HomeStudioBasics Actually not , u made the point clear . Especially when i got mine HD6xx , HD58X and Beyerdynamic DT250 ..As a matter of fact i was thinking about 400I for 185$ on Amazon , but after listening to a couple of more reviews i changed my mind , for now.. People say they have sligthly muddy upper mids and not that pronounce mid hi..at least what i heard .What say you ?

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@danrdey I wouldn't call them muddy, but they do roll off after 1kHz. Fortunately the roll off is gradual. I really like the sound of these headphones, esp. the Sundara. Yes, they sometimes do lack a bit of energy in that region, but overall it's a minor nitpick. How's it going? Any updated thoughts since you posted?

[@danrdey]

@@HomeStudioBasics Yeah , nice to hear from you . I heard Sundara and treble was unbearable for me , i prefer more even neutral sound , especially for Metal and EDM that i love . Actually i watched Z reviews and Joshua Valor's and bought me m1060cs .Ordered 2 days ago and they not arrived yet ,since I live in Israel . If you interested in full report i will be happy if you remind me in about a couple of weeks .