High Performance Drivetrains - Part 1

[@silicosick]

MB 2207-2580 FTW

[@TheCorndogr6]

silicosick d Yup! 😉 I'm running both 2400kv and 2580kv, love the power and torque.

[@Kabab]

Do you prefer one over the other? Just wondering because I do.

[@silicosick]

Which? 😬 I see no cons to the 2580 on 5" ... but I don't know much...

[@Kabab]

silicosick I prefer the higher kv too. there is a con. it's pulling about 15A more at max in the air than the 2400. but it's so much faster

[@silicosick]

ahh yeah thats not a con for me .. I can control that with my fingers... I like having the extra punch there when I make the decision to use it .. amps schmamps. :P

[@MrSteeleFPV]

*hate comment*

[@Kabab]

Please floss the hate out of your mouF

[@ultan04]

P l e a s e f l o s s t h e h a t e o u t o f y o u r m o u F

[@djilly75]

You guys are great. I'm new to your channel kabab

[@djilly75]

Mr Steele I haven't seen much from you lately Steele. You ok? I miss you man

[@user-pwfus]

Mr Steele you need to run a Diamond TBS antenna for your receiver and transmitter :)

[@jac6255]

bearing in mind your opinion will change in a week and you'll be saying that 2205 is the best. lol, last week you were saying that a 1407 motor will be best.

[@Kabab]

Sir Jacob well I've updated that and the emax prop was sent to me so there's zero point in a low torque motor anymore because of this prop. you won't want to run any other.

[@jac6255]

Kabab FPV Ok, well in a couple of weeks a new prop will be out and 2205 2300kv will be the fastest option! jk👌. Everything is a good option, it depends on where your at in the hobby and what your budget is. Even banggood if you're not serious.

[@jlgaustin]

Is there any other info on the emax prop anywhere? I am very intrigued by these, I am running rs2205s 2300kv's and 2306 2400kv

[@ernie5229]

Nice to see someone finally call this guy out!

[@Kabab]

ernie5229 lol tons of people call me out. some do it in a nice way, others spew hatred. I'm just sharing the most up to date info I have. when things change, I update my stance. the 1407 5" was awesome LOS and initial FPV. then I tried tuning it....

[@randomwisdom845]

I was always pondering, why quad weights are discussed without battery. It makes like 50% of the quad weight sometimes and they can vary in weights very much. So stating the dry weight leaves me thinking, what battery I should chose? What overall weight is good for a quad? Maybe 1300mah is not gaining much benefit, but 1500 would give longer flights without any loss? So yeah, why we don't talk all up weights? :)

[@Kabab]

Because depending on the race or the area you can load up a different battery. Also, different batteries are different weights.

[@mooosestang]

I think it's just because everyone likes to run different size/brand batteries. I prefer a battery that is 150g and that usually translates into a AUW of 550-600 with gopro session and heavy props.

[@swantu2555]

Following all the discussion about lightweight Discload etc... I think the important number is the "wet" AUW: including prop, battery (4S), HDcam (if any) etc. Because that determines how much the Motor/Prop has to pull. It allmost doesnt matter if the weight comes from battery, frame or heavy motors. So IMHO the "magic weight" number is AUW. Kabab, can you tell us how much your battery adds on top, so we can do the math to your video?

[@nyx574]

Keep this type of content coming! Thanks, Mike

[@Furadi]

I'm highly offended you called my choice frame "chunky". lol!

[@Kabab]

Furadi lol super chunky. I can't even look at it anymore

[@metoo3918]

Kabab has made me few self conscious when I look at non-ultra skinny frames now. I feel kinda cyber bullied by his chunky comments.

[@BryanFast]

Good video. I like the higher level educational content. Now I want some of those emax props for my emax 2306 motors. ugggg thanks!!

[@icarusix8750]

2 POI= EFAW 2407 2500kv (32gr) 3-Br 2206 2500kv (tmotor f40 pro competitor)

[@mathias8326]

damn if I hear those weights i feel like my (freestyle) quad (QAV-R 5" rs2205) is a tank with 370 gr dry ... but then I remember that I've never broken any part of the frame even when crashing with full speed into trees or the ground =I

[@Kabab]

I have a 95g freestyle frame coming that should be quite a tank as well as a very easy one to repair

[@joel_fpv]

16x16 bolt holes are too close to the 7mm diameter center recess and which leaves very little carbon between the edge of the mount holes and the center recess which leave the motor structure weaker creating a weak point for breaking.for 2207 motors19x19mm is better, NOT 16x16.

[@frinky]

I have got a mini quad called the JJPro P200, and it has Emax Red bottem 2205 2300kv, would a triblade or dualblade prop be better? right now im running the stock 5046 dualblade props and there were some crazy oscillations. would that be the prop or my tune. Cheers

[@kaarleenzz]

Why do you like the T-motor f60 over the T-motor F40Pro? The F40Pro is 2306 (like the emax rs2306) but has better torque, more thrust and is lighter (check out miniquadtestbench). It is also tested at 2500kv.

[@lukegodeassi7352]

This is a good point and my guess would be he just hasn't tried the F40Pro yet. Bet he'd also think they're way too heavy at 33g. But it's what I'm running at the moment and I quite like them

[@kaarleenzz]

emax rs2306 are heavier and he is recommending those.

[@Kabab]

Luke Godeassi I have tried the F40pro and I would highly recommend the emax 2306 over them. they're not bad and even racerstar motors work, but if you're to buy it again, you'll get a better performing and far more durable motor with the emax option. the weight of these motors are just something you need to deal with.

[@kaarleenzz]

Better performing in what way? As far as data on miniquadtestbench show, the F40pros are better performing in EVERY measurable way. I can understand if you are biased towards emax, but comparing racerstar to t-motors? Really? :) And as far as durability goes, the new RS2205s line has had some bell issues to put it mildly... So I'm not convinced about the emax2306.

[@Kabab]

Quality issues aside, when you fly the two side by side, you feel much more comfortable with the 2306. I'm not concerned with bench tests that are so similar. The 2306 has more torque and is more efficient at high RPM. Both are great motors. The Tmotor also feels very weak in the hand. I couldn't imagine it taking hits too well.

[@Splatf22]

I love the Emax rs2306 2750kv motors. I have hit 145mph with these on a 320g quad with 5x4.6x2 props. they are rediculous fast.

[@MojoPapiFPV]

Not that you're reviews aren't objective but for full transparency, do you have any relationship with Hyperlite or BrotherHobby? More importantly, Waterpik - yay or nay?

[@DingDongDaily]

lol i'm currently running a DYS SE2205 on a 333g copter. Finally broke these motors and getting the emax S motors.

[@FernandoWascheck]

Brotherhobby should do escs!

[@KrotowX]

Kabab, you did put me on addiction from Emax Avan props :) These are even better than Emax 2306 motors particularly because they have perfect control and can work even down to 2206 motor. I believe that they may work on more powerful 2205 motors too - I'll try them in new build with first generation Emax RS2205 2600KV red bottoms at next week. Bought a third bag of Avan-s FTW - they are amazing. Hyperlite motors are good and even not too expensive. Unfortunately only in US. To get them to Europe, I must to pay extra (shipping, customs) and they will become not cheap at all. 250 grams dry weight... I believe that it is not only to keep performance. Remembered about US UAV usage law that obliged to register all quads heavier than 425 grams :)

[@castlebravo13]

Good video bro. I'll initially be building up my 5" Hyperfloss with Emax RS2205s 2300kv (I have them on hand) and then I'll switch it over to the new 2204's when they come out. I can't wait to feel the difference between them. I'm building my 4" Hyperfloss very similar to yours. Should weigh in around 170 grams. I can't wait.

[@marlin-fpv]

What brand is that 2204 20g (with wires?) motor? Is ist available yet? I'm searching for a light weight motor for a 220 g setup on a merica frame for 5x4x3 or 5x4.3x3 max. Any suggestions? Was thinking of rotorama katana or T-Motor Air 40 or any in that weight class. Gonna use 1300 batteries so AUW will be ~370g

[@valkery8068]

in the 5" setup that you have in this video, I see that you are using the PyroDrone HyperLite F4 Flight Controller and the 4in1 ESC. My question is are you using OSD? because you don't have the RROSD PRO V2 and the FC doesn't support OSD.

[@dis3nchant3d42]

@kabab fpv I'm awaiting delivery on a floss 2 build that should be below 220g with props on with the hyperlite 2204 2722 kv motors. definitely excited. do you think 1000mah>1300mah on an ultralight build?

[@jayqfpv6835]

I run The 5152x3 gemfans on the Emax Rs2205S 2300kv and it performs Very well.

[@Irigoyen4]

Hi, I noticed the props on your quads seem to be mounted opposite to what the norm is. Can you please let me know if in fact you are running motors 1 (Right back) and 4 (left front) CCW and motors 2 and 3 CW and if so, why? Thanks, M

[@danielgajic4404]

Just try new Xnova lighting 2206 2450kv for 27g and you will see. Great quality and performance. I'm using these motor without problems even after several hard crashes

[@diggydice9041]

Every gram of weight, every millimeter of length, or the 1 degree of angle on a prop will Change Any Quad drastically? Knowing exactly what you want to excel at within the arena is paramount to the application of the right "Stuff" for a build. I didn't realize just how far this hobby had exploded but it's way beyond getting caught up on a neat sounding name for a motor/prop...... lmao, truly it's a new frontier & a wide expanse for the new person to digest. I do like your attempt to put this all together & the ones disliking you either don't understand or just don't like you because all of this helps if you want to understand how things work together...... thanks for the work >> peace

[@absolutecarpetcare]

I just got done building my Evo 5-inch and Evo 6 inch! Now I gotta build an ultra-light dang it

[@petermabbort456]

Bob. Where do I get those 2204 motors? We chatted before and I'm in the waiting list at pyroflip for the 2204s there but they look different to these black and orange versions. Great Vlogs bud.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

So you don't like 3 inch, don't like 4 inch, and can't properly get into 2 inch..... Is there ANYTHING you might recommend besides 5 inch?

[@FarmerFpv]

I agree the emax 2306 motor is well balanced on my 273 gram acro frame. Happy with it (:

[@punkrocker1984]

Subscribed. Good good stuff. Got tired of the oddness of other sources for technical info, found you. Keep it coming!

[@MrDevilFlash]

Damn...250gr...I thought I was light for my accro quad with 330gr dry. - 97gr frame - 4in1 ESC (X-Racer Quadrant 25A) - BFFC F3 - TBS Unify Pro - ZMX X25 Motors 2206-2300 - Frsky XSR - TBS triumph antenna (short one) - Cyclone 5x4.6x3 props - 1capacitor - rubber anti-vibration standoff - foxeer HS1170 fpv camera no HD cam, no mount... I wonder what kind of setup would be for a 250gr dry weight.

[@Kabab]

acro will handle a little more weight because you're not speeding around like a madd man

[@metoo3918]

The blue and bronze Hyperlite 2207 2522kv motors currently available are NOT the ones you are talking about in this video, correct?

[@rje3871]

Thanks Bob for this wonderful content. I know now that I am in the right direction of my experiments. We have the same ideas or concept, I am glad that it coincides with yours. :)

[@steelrainfpv3383]

Awesome video and technical advice brother, but could I request that you do a video for us mere mortals, of what parts you recommend to achieve these super lightweight results, starting with the frame, motor's, esc's, fc's, vtx's, etc.. I am curious how you are getting these light build numbers, although I think that I have a small idea, because my 5" quads range from 300-380 grams dry weight, but then again I'm using heavy 4mm frames such as the Strix Awk 210, 4mm Catalyst Machine Works 210-R, and a 4mm Sky Hero OB1, all running 2206 motor's and 30amp esc's. Here's a link to my RcGroups blog where I have these 3 builds and their components broken down, your opinions and suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance man. www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=566955

[@Kabab]

SteelRainSpo good point. I'll do a light build video about that soon.

[@maxharrison9918]

I'm not quite sure how a dry weight can be helpful at all. People choose all different sorts of batteries and weights, that's what your flying with, not dry weight.

[@renzevenir4853]

What do you think about the RCX RS2206 V2 2400KV motor? it has .15mm lamination, EZO bearings, 7075 aluminium, N52SH arced, 4mm solid internal to 5mm (titanium?) hollow shaft and most importantly, $13 each.

[@Kabab]

IRFZ44 Excellent​ Excellent motor. of course not the very best considering the price but maybe 90% as good as the very best. I hope they make it in a 2207 2500kv

[@phocusrs]

Thanks for the motors discussion... If you want make a give away of your 4 inches, I'll be glad to help you 😅

[@buffalojones341]

@Kabab FPV I was on the performance train for a while but then I noticed I was getting really short flight times (just under 3 min on a tattu R-line 1550 with Dal Cyclones). I'm still new in the hobby and am trying to find the opposite - longer flight times with less punch. I don't get to fly too often so I can get more air time and improve from the extra practice. So, what is the best approach for getting efficiency? It seems like your research might have a converse side that would be able to answer that question.

[@Kabab]

This is something I'll be making a video on soon. It pretty much has to do with your AUW. Lighter is more efficient no matter what. But yes, if you want performance it's gonna cost you. I usually don't get more than 2min. I just have many batteries.

[@Bexamous]

If it comes up, keep long motor wires... with 4-in-1 ESCs motors with short wires are SUPER annoying... looking at you F40Pro. >:| But awhile go asking BrotherHobby to leave longer leads on motors they said they would, and looking at motors your holding up leads seem longer than usual with is awesome... hope the final version have long leads too. Much much much easier to cut a wire shorter than make it longer. ;)

[@Kabab]

Yes it will be long on the final

[@fpvlegion]

Nice VID man! I have some emax2306/2400 coming in... so lets join the hype!

[@frangalasso8301]

The Prop that no one else can get lol

[@Kabab]

Fran Galasso seriously. so annoying. can't wait for everyone else to try it.

[@fallingwithstylefpv4759]

I appreciate your opinion!!

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

Soo glad to have gotten the new brother hobby 1660s for 9$!!! 🤪

[@Bruno-cb5gk]

Finally someone listened to me! (I know they didn't get the idea from me but still, and they did it the one after the other) Design a prop and motor to work well together, since that is most important.

[@Kabab]

Seriously took forever but damn is it a good one.

[@Cid156]

Are you still using the Spedix 20amp for your golden setup ? or a 30a ESC?

[@logantic]

because it doesn't look durable and you haven't crash and tested t-motor off the back you don't like them hahahahahaha.......you're too much bro smh.

[@Kabab]

Lokeni Siuta my opinion only. I have however had many tell me they're very weak and easy to destroy. especially the air series. I haven't broken them first hand so I cannot comment on that. they just feel weak to me

[@mike216ism]

Besides yourself I also follow RCAddict around wherever he is in the sport /hobby. He suggested T-motor pro 2 2400kv for freestyle. After trying them I was hooked. Amazing performance. He loves those brother hobby motors for racing and he mostly Flys with those from what I can see. The T-motor pro 2 have titanium shafts, screws and no clips, good Japanese made bearings and perfect machining. I love learning from you both! Thanks and take care

[@Kabab]

I just like the taller Staters much much more than wider

[@RaxusprimeXT]

Damn, I was gonna build that "chunky" EVO-frame for racing... So now, what is my best option if I wanna use the new Emax-Jesus props then? I wouldn't want it heavier so the 2306 might be too much right? Is the best move to go with BH 2207s at 30ish grams then?

[@Kabab]

Ludvig Lam light frame and 2206 is a monster. keep it under 260g for fantastic performance

[@metoo3918]

Even tho it seems you are saying building a 4" Hyperfloss is waste of time, how well (at a guess) will a 4" Hyperfloss weighing 250-270g with battery fly in your opinion? Also, how much flight time were you getting with 850mah and 1000mah 4S batteries on the 4"? Will it be a total pig on 3S at that weight with the 1407 Brothers?

[@Kabab]

You get ~1min 45sec with an 850 4S on the 1407's with twin props. Judge from there. 4" is fine, just not for me.

[@SpikeJonesTheCr0oked]

In all honesty how realistic do you think these numbers for weight you are throwing out are, using the majority of frames and components out there. My acro rig comes in at 327g with no bat or antenna. I didn't go all out for light weight but I used 28g 2206s, a 7g tbs vtx, titanium hardware, 30a escs just under 5 grams... I tried to use the smallest/lightest stuff I could find. Is my 96g skitzo frame that much of a porker? or should I stop worrying about it and just fly my shit cause it flies awesome.

[@Kabab]

That's right, the MAJORITY of frames are just not good. The weights I'm discussing here are very realistic. It's not even difficult to get well under 270g dry with the setups I'm flying. I just throw everything on the frame and it's like 260g.

[@LazerLord10]

Which one would you recommend for someone on a budget and who crashes a lot?

[@Kabab]

+LazerLord10 the 2205 2522kv for sure.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

How much weight do you think is saved by taking a MM of thickness out of carbon? IE, the Diatone Crusader GT2 is a 5mm frame, and the quad has a dry weight of 300grams. Do you think making it a 4mm frame and thinning out the arms and center a bit along with an AIO and better 2205's would get it to that 250-gram number? Because I really like its design. Low profile, freedom of movement on the camera, perfect size, etc.

[@dcfpv5608]

can you post a link to those Emax props, I can't find them anywhere. Edit- forgive me, I seen this question has already been answered. Also I ordered 8 of the Emax 2306 2400kv yesterday so I feel good about the decision after watching this video, thank you!

[@Kabab]

They're not out yet

[@emiel1976ep]

The weight is without lipo and props? My current build with the heavy f40 motor without props and lipo is 280g and new arms are coming and than it will be below 270. With 2205 motors I get it ad 252 and the motors that I used where 29.5g. So I can easily go below the 236g.

[@Kabab]

I prefer not to sacrifice power for light weight but if you're racing, you don't need all the power in the world. The improved agility is usually gonna help more.

[@Mulder8472]

you could shave of quite a bit of weight and also reduce drag if you would cut your wires to length...

[@BigDFPV]

I wish you posted links to the products so I don't have to keep pausing and searching for the product. Otherwise, great video.

[@Kabab]

Some of the stuff here isn't even available. Some of it will never be.

[@oddiebacca]

I have been a fan of XNOVA for sometime now. Their quality control is top shelf since they have been in the helicopter game for some time. They sell a motor that is almost $1K! That being said, I have tried many different brands and its either XNOVA or Scorpion for me. Thx for all you do :)

[@Kabab]

Xnova is excellent, just expensive and heavy.

[@timothylowe8567]

please tell me where I can get those emax props! oh ok, I finished watching! I want some of those motors!

[@TimmyRC]

Have you been doing any 6-inch builds/testing? I'd like to see your opinion on 6-inch vs. 5-inch.

[@Kabab]

I'm not a fan of 6", just less agility. Brian Morris claims 5.5" is the best size. We don't have any good props in that size so I'll stick to 5"

[@JC-zg2id]

It would be nice if you had like "perfect" build setups centered around these motors.Also, since the 2306 motors are a little heavy, would you still recommend the superlight frame, or would your EVO frame do it?

[@Kabab]

I'm gonna have those videos when I finally get my frames built right. I have some new acro options coming...

[@TheRCAddict]

I have to disagree about 2300kv. While it is slower, for acro with a heavier setup it can be fantastic. Also for the Emax RS2205S motors on the GF5152, they did poorly on 2600kv, but on the 2300kv just as snappy as on a 2206. My weights are always 330+, so this is probably why I lean towards lower kv. Beefy quad with good flight time for acro 600g actually helps a lot vs a lighter quad. Still loved the video though :D No just waiting for next Easter for the Jesus prop to come out lol

[@Kabab]

+The RCAddict seriously. It's like taken years for this darn prop. They just told me they're like two weeks out maybe. Which probably means 4wks out.

[@TheRCAddict]

Well, I don't need them until I get that new frame i was talking about and get it built, which will probably be like 2 weeks, but then I will be hunting for them lol

[@mooosestang]

I agree, the rs2205s 2300kv are great with the gemfan or dal cyclones. I'm sure the motors would prefer a lighter prop, but nothing takes hits like the Dals and stay balanced. i smashed a set of those motors into the ground at full throttle and they still fly smooth.

[@HectorVilorio]

I just built two "chunky EVO" based on your recommendations in recent videos (1-2 months ago)... this is changing so fast that I don't know what advise to follow.... 😕

[@Kabab]

no no, this is it. I'm not going past this. I too want to stop building stuff and just fly. Once I get my acro and race setups in order, I'm done making all this stuff. I'll finally be happy.

[@2crashy545]

Great video man. Pleased to see you like BrotherHobby again :-)

[@lukegodeassi7352]

Great info! Quick and basic question - the magical 250g weight for a 5inch, is that with or without props? I never know if dry weight includes props or not, although I suspect that it does.

[@Kabab]

Luke Godeassi everything but GoPro and batt. that includes the GoPro mount if you're planning on running one.

[@lfodh1]

This video gives me a goal and a starting point of learning. Please keep up the good work.

[@BrassStacks]

I'm confused. You said that the magic number is 250g and yet lighter is always better. Do you mean that over 250g is bad but going under gives you performance gains?

[@Kabab]

the 250g mark is the magic sweet spot for 5"

[@mistercohaagen]

I want to try these Hyperlite 2204-2522KV motors on a 4" build. Any thoughts? I can't find them to actually buy anywhere; does anyone have a link?

[@Kabab]

mistercohaagen they should be available next week hopefully

[@mistercohaagen]

piro?

[@markpfeifer1402]

I got my dry weight down around 300g. Can you go over some strategies to shave weight? Pretty tough to get to 250g on a 5 inch quad. Are you including props in this figure?

[@Kabab]

Mark Pfeifer yes. all included but batt and GoPro. even batt strap. I'll make a video on that.

[@Enz5623]

it will run the prop properly. ha ha get it

[@DimplePoji]

the only long video that i appreciate.. gain ed more knowledge with each new vid.. 👍

[@DangerDavefpv]

i agree on great motor from richard at multibuilders 2207

[@BranGrizz]

you can't tell people to "please not leave hate comments," the quality of your work will dictate how much shit you get. you don't ask for a perfect reaction.

[@Kabab]

Brandon Clark if I say everything is wonderful and I just don't like the color of this motor, I wouldn't get any hate because I'd be like most of the other KZbin channels. I love constructive criticism. not groundless hateful comments. I'm here for the discussion, not to argue. I also wish I had more time to improve the quality of my videos. btw, the hate stuff is why Chad doesn't do much in this respect.

[@shadowsfpv3561]

is the 2207 2450 cobra motor good for racing my set yp is 330 gr what could i do i need really a lot of power for racing hard what frame motors to buy?????

[@shadowsfpv3561]

?

[@Kabab]

I'm not totally sure what you're asking. 330g is quite hefty for a racing quad.

[@image57]

Where can you get the Emax props for the RS2306? Also, which KV of the 2306 should be on the acro setup?

[@Kabab]

image they have a prop for the 2400 and the 2750. they're not out yet. really hope they come soon

[@danlatu209]

We like your opinions. The tornados are fragile. The emax motors are tough 2600kv are a little bit too much for my graphenes. If it is lighter than 250grams the battery won't have to work as hard. What about the brother hobby 1608 on the 4" ????

[@Kabab]

danlatu the 1608 is 28g or something crazy high. it really has no purpose. I don't think anyone should really run 4". it's just a super compromised size.

[@johnsims2846]

I'm not sure why people keep saying the Tornado's are fragile. They are on both my race quads and take a beating and keep going. The ones on my OB1 have been through hell and just keep going... that whole quad does though, heavy but is an absolute Tank.

[@mikemuszynski2963]

So what would you recommend for a more beginner orientated build? These all seem to be steered more towards high performance builds. There's so many options out there.

[@Kabab]

I've got a video on that and I'll have another shortly

[@mikebemiller9552]

nice job bro and thank you for all the info..keep up the good work

[@mikelaurie3850]

What do you think of the emax rs2205 2700kv? What prop would do good on this? Is a tri blade too much?

[@Kabab]

Good motor. Put the DAL 5050x2 on it. It'll be awesome.

[@jeff57]

Good Vid! How about those of us that fly acro with a GoPro on a heavier setup? 600+ grams auw.

[@Kabab]

2207 all day

[@XxKaleiXx]

"you can believe anything you want, nothing is gospel" ... "Lighter is better, if anyone tells you otherwise they're just wrong"

[@Kabab]

Yep I realized that when I said it. It's true...

[@BroccoliBrigardist]

can you also use the white series of the emax motor with 2400kv or 2700kv, and what kv would you choose with these props

[@Kabab]

They have a prop for each motor. It's basically just what you like. High kv low torque or high torque lower speed

[@fastfreddy2870]

What is dry weight considered with quads? Just the frame, the frame and all gear except the motors, everything but the battery?

[@Kabab]

Fast Freddy everything but battery and HD cam of your planning on using one

[@tcoffel34]

Just a side note, DJI made the SNAIL propulsion system, with ESC, Motor, AND Props, all designed for each other. How the ESC works with current PID loops and timing, that's a whole other story, but still. :-) I love your videos man, I truly do, lots of info, keep'em coming!

[@Kabab]

Tom Coffel their props seem to be general designs. not aerodynamically made for the motor.

[@tcoffel34]

I gotcha, makes sense. I know they designed them for the racing propulsion series they've been working on, but the way you explain that makes more sense then what I was thinking, as they could be utilized in their other offerings (if other kits were to ever surface lol) with the quick release adapters.

[@mistery79]

I'm new to flying. I started flying in November. All of my flights have been during winter. Now that its warm, I noticed my motors get hot, not so hot you can't touch them. Is this normal? I'm now running hyperlite 2206-2450. Team edition. I was running lumeniers. I swapped them out because I wanted to try something different. Thanks for the knowledge.

[@Kabab]

your D term might be too high or you have a lot of vibrations in your setup.

[@mooosestang]

Or you have motor screws touching the windings, but i'd expect it to desync as well as get hot.

[@MHRlabs]

Love your technical videos. keep up the great work!

[@danielc.2963]

I want that 2204. I want it now. Will I be able to use it? No. Because my quad is too heavy. I've also been trying to design a prop. While prop design is kinda hard, the math is cool. Issue I have run into is who to go to in order to actually make the prop. Can't go to HQ and be like "Hey, can you make this prop that is trying to replace yours?" Oh well, I'll figure it out. Awesome video! I always get excited when these style videos come out.

[@Kabab]

Prop design is very difficult and all math. HQ won't listen to you or anyone but Chad.

[@danielc.2963]

Kabab FPV No suprise. It's HQ, they don't really need to listen to anyone but a few top pilots.

[@tell5243]

What what s the best motor prop combination for a 4s second race quadcopter pilot today

[@Kabab]

I dunno what a second race is but the best combo is the Emax triblade on the brother hobby 2207 2500kv motor. Monster power. The props aren't out yet however.

[@Adams_Excursions]

Love watching your videos man! Keep it up! Also I can't wait to get my hyperfloss 4 inch! I'm not sure if I want to run the hyperlite 1407's with the two blade 4045 or tmotor f30 2800 kv with a bigger/heavier tri-blade.

[@Kabab]

Adam Billings I would recommend the 1407 and keep it light.

[@Adams_Excursions]

Also will there ever be an option to buy extra arms for the hyperfloss if I ever wanted to upgrade to 5 inch arms?

[@LassoHunterPolska]

What sense does it make to look at the dry weight? Quad can't fly without lipo. What is the golden weight for 5' 4s quad? ;) regards! U do great job!

[@Kabab]

The reason dry weight is a good metric is because your battery weight is so variable from battery to battery.

[@Kabab]

I've done lots of videos on weight....it's ultimately your own preference but for 5" acro I prefer 580g AUW

[@LassoHunterPolska]

Kabab FPV thanks! 580 will be my goal now :)

[@vonster22]

i can't stand c clips.. lose them in the field...i like the screw on bottom..easy to change.. I live in the mountains with dry sandy soil and its easy to get in the motor

[@Kabab]

C clips are awful 😔

[@Fmily]

20:18 Does that mean you're going to discontinue that frame? I was planning on buying it but if I won't be able to get replacement parts I don't think I will. I'd be mounting a GoPro on it just about 100% of the time and I don't see a good way to mount it on your new frame.

[@Kabab]

it's gonna stick around. we also have a good GoPro mount coming for the light stuff. I also have a much better acro frame coming too.

[@Fmily]

Kabab FPV Oh nice! Can't wait to see the new frame!

[@johnsims2846]

I designed a session mount for the HyperLite SS and Evo both. Just for getting nice video before the real racing starts. Had to use the top plates to make my own bases for the mounts, but they are a perfect fit. Wish Brain3D didn't have the market cornered at Pyro or I could do some work for them.

[@MrDoggielover88]

I know my Phantom 3 isn't considered a racing quad. But is there any way to make it faster?

[@Kabab]

+MrDoggielover88 lol no.

[@rcjohnny268]

How is the temp and amp draw of F60 pro 2500kv with the 5152?

[@Kabab]

The 5152 is generally mid to high draw overall regardless of the motor

[@505Goat]

You are right about Tmotor. I have the F40 pros and they are very fragile. I had an admittedly decent crash and two of the stators moved vertically, and one of which had the winding cut because of this. The base of the third motor bent. with other quads I've had much worst wrecks and never had this much damage. I like their performance, but because of their frail nature I will never buy another.

[@Kabab]

505Goat yeah that was my impression the moment but held one. just didn't feel right. the emax motor on the other hand feels like a total tank.

[@505Goat]

yea, my best friend has those motors and they are tough. He just put some 6" gemfan 6045s and it is an animal. Love your videos. Useful interpretations of your experiences. Keep up the good work!

[@marlon82mc]

Noob question: What do people mean when they say "5" quad"? One that can use 5" props? One with 5" arms? What happened to calling them by their motor to motor distance (250...)? Please educate me :)

[@Kabab]

Marlon Clark no we don't really go by frame size anymore. there are some 250mm quads that can almost fit 7" so we just go by prop size

[@marlon82mc]

Cool, thanks for the reply!

[@Enginair]

ALL HAIL JESUS PROP!!! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR HAS RISEN AGAIN

[@Kabab]

Enginair yes! tru!

[@neclovek]

I hope they will name it a Jesus prop. How cool would it sound "I just bought a bunch of the new Emax Jesus props"

[@Kabab]

neclovekSK it'll be called the Avan prop. dumb name imo

[@dronepunkfpv1424]

I'm no DJI fan but they they matched props to motor with the Snails

[@Kabab]

They just made a 5" prop. I'm not sure it's tailored to the motor. At least it definitely doesn't seem that way.

[@stevenhildum6957]

Thanks for your insite, Keep up the good work!

[@000CARROT000]

where can i get one of those awesome 2204 2522kv motors?

[@rondavid1000]

I have the t-motor F60 PRO 2207 2500kv on my quad, do you think it can handle a big beefy prop like the gemfan 5152 or the emax prop??

[@Kabab]

Yes definitely

[@rondavid1000]

Kabab FPV thanks, you ate the man! Love you

[@woutchauvaux6672]

250gram... my 5 inch I have built 2 days ago has an all up weight of a good 600 grams... oops (mainly aiming at freestyle) before people ask: martian 2 220 racestar 2205 2600kv (I really shoud've gotten the lower kv) racestar 30amp spracing f3 matek hubosd kingkong 5040