Hikaru Nakamura went crazy😵 listening to poor game analysis by Hans Niemann | Sinquefield Cup 2022

[@matthawryliw]

This reminds me of when you forget to read the homework assignment and the teacher calls on you. As a master bullshitter myself, I can recognize this anywhere.

[@ОлегБочаров-щ8к]

that what i thought. his mannerisms are so familiar

[@kristinmacey145]

Hard agree

[@ixinor]

Especially if you've some knowledge in said field you're bullshitting about. Didn't do all of the homework, but atleast the general bits.

[@neerajsomisetti4437]

THIS.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

Comment reminded me when we needed to read a book, make a kinda overview of it in front of class and read important section of it. I chose Parfyme from the books there was available because I knew there was a movie of it that came out like few years ago and I watched it the evening of the presentation, speedread few reviews on the book, looked from forums what differs in the movie adaptation and book, wrote at night a summary based on all of that. Some of my own toughts from the movie parts I knew where in the book mixed with parts from the book reviews that went into more on the literary side, but ofcourse changed it into my own words. Chose the part to read pretty much in random just skimming thru into a part that sounded like a deep convo was happening, because I didn't want to take some key moment from the plot (I read it first time really paying attention in front of the class 😅). I got pretty good grade from it, my friends had hard time beleaving I didn't at all read the book since the teacher just was ultra-strickt and looking signs of deception. The key in front of class kinda is to not look too nervous but almost trick yourelf into thinking that you did do the assignment the legit way so it doesn't look suspicious by being overtly on edge. Not saying it's really something to do. This was years ago when I was in college. Just something I did.

[@scudder91]

The way the commentator at the screen casually outplays hans and casts incredulous looks at him after each deflection is the best comedy double act ive seen since morcombe and wise.

[@FreedomFighter2112]

Hey Nakamura, you are correct @2:03 Black is easily winning according to the engine by 2.4

[@uberneanderthal]

Alejandro is currently rated 2561 and peaked at 2601, and he completely bodied Hans here. Not even in the same league. Which means that Milky Chess's estimate that Hans is 2500 strength is probably too generous. closer to 2400.

[@reeeeeee4648]

Just look at his facial expressions for someone who plays such accurate moves he sure as hell isn't certain how he made them 😂

[@majhee55]

😂😂😂😂

[@scudder91]

I am a pretty mediocre player and even i can see how piss poor hans analysis is, especially when hikaru points out how black can go bishop b 6.

[@chunchunmaru219]

The fact that Hans had 100% accuracy in numerous games but poor analyzing moves is really sus.

[@Joanlow1440p]

Nah you're just a hater like Hikaru.

[@DailyWorldWideNews945]

Well its normal for top players to have 100% accuracy in some of their games but the number of niemanns 100% games are just a bit higher than the of the other top players

[@Joanlow1440p]

​@@DailyWorldWideNews945 they also criticized and accused Einstein and look what happened.

[@Alexdbre]

@@Joanlow1440p Yeah because Einstein had 0 knowledge at "analyzing" and stuff right? He was on par with Teachers back in school and even corrected them with his "logic", so what is that statement? He was equal smart in Writing as in Explaining, where this dude is an idiot in explaining and just doesn't understand Chess in general while Easily beating players Like Magnus in a fast match with Time clockings at 100% Accuracy, yeah right.

[@aslakp]

@@DailyWorldWideNews945 actually many gms have never got 100% games. And hans has 10 in the last 3years

[@imDuzzy]

“here I wasn’t suuuure” *90%+ accuracy in game*

[@tretihory]

90% accuracy with doubts in almost every position is normal when you play very well

[@throckmoreton1522]

@@tretihory Bobby fisher on his best games only reached a accuracy of 76%. 90% is inhuman.

[@fpengu]

@@throckmoreton1522 Fischer s best games will be 85% in a few years as engines get better and see the genius in his moves

[@Ildarioon]

@@fpengu No. To say that is to say that he would beat current engines, that's just a fantasy.

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

@@fpengu Are you trying to say Fischer could beat things like Stockfish? Mind you, sure he could beat plenty of AI, as plenty of people do as there are plenty of AI designed to make mistakes and play at certain levels. But, if you’re trying to say that he could beat today & future AI, which were designed to win. That’s not happening. Remember, Chess like other skills have improved over time, as skills and knowledge get past down from one generation to the next, meaning that AI which play millions of games and have Perfect Memory, and that are so much more efficient at problem solving where all the variables can be account for, but another factor is psychological, which AI will never have an issue with getting distracted, feeling intimidated, stressed and so on. What humans hate over AI are things like instincts, or intimidating, being able to guess what actions your opponent will take, based on knowing their habits/previous games. But, this won’t apply in regards to playing against an AI. Unless, you find a bug, or a way to crash it. Which I do feel like AI if they crash, or get bugged should end in a loss. Because Humans are punished similarly.

[@rockintoes]

The chess analysis speaks for itself

[@FreedomFighter2112]

Hey Nakamura, you are correct @2:03 Black is easily winning according to the engine by 2.4

[@WungaBungaMC]

Yes I mean for the love of God anyone with a brain can clearly hear this guy is outside of his scope.

[@fhnk8059]

fwafw

[@misael8200]

The chess anal ysis speaks for itself

[@ericmartinperez929]

Wtf I thought this was another Hell's Kitchen reference

[@anthonycarreira8045]

His strategy is to speak extremely fast, with an accent, and he’s 100% wrong lmaoooo

[@Filipsoon]

I always did that to distract teacher when I didnt know the right answer lol

[@migs6674]

Just say as much words as possible and you might just say something right variant

[@FreedomFighter2112]

Hey Nakamura, you are correct @2:03 Black is easily winning according to the engine by 2.4

[@KarlMarxBR700]

everyone has an accent

[@majhee55]

Exactly!! Why does he have an accent?? It’s all an act for him. I’m rated 1500, and even I can tell his explanations are bullshit!!

[@back2back379]

How can a guy who gets so many games at 90+% and 100% engine correlation be so unsure?

Right

[@aldoileanumeliber]

Exactly

[@dominomo3117]

@@zacharysherry2910 i think you might be lying

[@Justin-dr5uw]

@@zacharysherry2910 you realize its statistically impossible for an 800 elo to play that manu computer moves without instantly climbing lmao

[@Justin-dr5uw]

@@zacharysherry2910 what is your profile name?

[@petersvensson3863]

We all know what he did, the question is "how". His analysis is like club-level. He seems totally lost and disoriented without the engine turned on.

[@kiruthikpranav5047]

perhaps the joke that that one GM made might be true, about Hans having a morse code messenger in his butthole to communicate with someone outside with an engine

[@amikcakraadi9322]

True, i always wonder how he cheat at onboard tournament.

[@j.6378]

"His analysis is like club-level." lol post rating.

[@WungaBungaMC]

Lol dude Hikaru basically said the same thing. You already know Hikaru's rating.

[@michaelkeha]

​@@amikcakraadi9322I mean the obvious ones are hiding a wireless ear piece under his massive hair or some kind code system that he receives possibly via something in his shoe or maybe watch

[@georgevan2606]

Hans definitely cheated. Who on earth would be nervous when doing a post game analysis? Post game analysis is exciting because we are curious about the moves we made or didn't make. We are nervous only if we are taking an exam, meaning we have no clue what is going on

[@FreedomFighter2112]

Hey Nakamura, you are correct @2:03 Black is easily winning according to the engine by 2.4

[@assassin7250]

not everyone is like this alright.. you don't know what he's thinking..

[@derekwang7330]

@@assassin7250 Niemann lied about only cheating twice

[@zemm9003]

@@assassin7250 everyone is like that, I have never seen a GM in post match that wasn't excited to explain his thought process and figure out lines they missed, for Hans he looks extremely nervous like he is about to be found out.

[@SimranjeetSingh-eh4bc]

​@@assassin7250 well yes because he clearly was not thinking at all, just relying on engine for moves

[@CancunMimosa]

The more you listen to Hans, the more you realize this is definitely a guy that has been cheating at chess for the last 5 years

[@libertas12]

But HOW?

[@CancunMimosa]

@Pflit I don’t really care about commentary from a player during a game. That’s silly. I’m talking about an alleged chess master talking about a game at any other point in time. He comes across as ignorant from many vectors when you listen to him to try to provide an analysis.

[@zacharysherry2910]

It took me a long time to figure it out but it's 99.99% definite.

[@CancunMimosa]

@Pflit we are talking about games he’s already played, not providing commentary during a game. That’s not ever happening in tournaments LMAO

[@redcatofdeath]

That seems extremely subjective.

[@dhruvshah7952]

Lmao hans gets everything wrong and then asks them what does the engine say to make sure he isn't saying anything stupid. If that's not sus I don't know what is

[@carokann1802]

his dumb fans will still believe him because they f e e l his innocence.

[@khalidbadawi8216]

@@nightero6873 u dont have ones bro, nothing to lose everything about this interview is sus, super GMs dont go into sacrifices without calculating at least one winning line, ok you can miss one computer insane line, but hans literally didnt give any good line. second of all no one ever says"i dont even need to show variations" when asked to analyze, especially when u know your situation. also he misevaluated almost every position like a 2000 would do, just check the difference on how hikaru spotting moves in seconds while hans cannot calculate 6 move line. his red face and stuttering was also suspicious. i understand he is under alot of pressure, but if you know you are innocent, you will have a stronger stand.

[@counterside7670]

@@khalidbadawi8216 @nighthero BURNED😂

[@pigs6486]

@@nightero6873 Probably best that you stick to your anime then.

[@aleksk4151]

hahahaha runs the engine

[@Questioneverything72]

He is so addicted in using engine that he couldn’t hold himself asking for engine eval“ what is engine saying?” You don’t need a psychology PHD in body language to see his BS. His behavior speaks for itself.

[@toasty862]

chewing his nails and everything

[@waylobeat]

and being very defensive towards the interviewer at the beginning​@@toasty862

[@klaxcuy591]

exactly. It's just a habit for him to use the engine so he asked for it naturally

[@demosthenes5478]

He really said "What is black going to play" ?!? 🥲

[@caspera3193]

Post-game analysis is a great way to tackle cheaters and this video shows it perfectly. Also, this footage convinced me that he is cheating.

[@williamrobert9898]

Facts

[@myhatmygandhi6217]

How is he cheating is the real question

[@imbehindyouhehehe7216]

Only his bottom part knows...

[@xmetax]

He was so shocked when the commentator showed the engine analysis 😂

[@aliceslab]

his accuracy scores are proof enough. especially when you notice everyone else's accuracy is normal and human and his is the only one that makes no sense.

[@uberneanderthal]

He says Kh8 was the move he was most expecting, but this move is a mistake, why would he expect a mistake? Then he says Nc5 was "obviously a bad move" when it's the top engine move! On the g5 variation (which he suggests instead of nc5, even though it's much weaker) he says "even h4 is a move here" but in fact h4 is a massive blunder. Then he thinks the follow up after h4 is gxf4 when that again is another blunder (there is only one good move, which Alejandro points out, is Bxd6, which gives black a winning position). As Hikaru said, everything Hans says here is wrong, but he says it with such smug arrogance. Typical of a teenager, but not typical of someone who has earned a 2700 rating.

[@_z200]

Like levy says. Cheaters are good at copying the engine but bad at playing the game

[@BlizzGMX]

when you consider he has top engine moves in a lot of games this analysis is exposing him as a fraud.

[@nemanja9275]

And yet there are people who still believe that hans is a GM lmao

[@GerhardTreibheit]

​@@nemanja9275I mean he is

[@jaybestnz]

Alejandros analysis and comments is significantly more advanced and accurate than who is supposed to be a 2700 person.

[@ADeadMagikarp]

" The beads vibrate for its self" - Hans probably

[@Devilfish6666]

0:33 "I dont even need to show variations you just look at the position" engine (depth 30): 0.0 0:50 "f4 immediately". engine: -1.79 for Black (from 0.0 before so huge blunder) 1:11 (Hans trying to find moves for Black now claiming there is no): "For example Kh7 (+4.2 for white so massive blunder) Bg5 Qe8 (+6.2 for white, another massive blunder from Blacks point of view) Rxd7 Qxd7 (that straight up hangs M4) Qh4+..." 1:20 (Hans again trying to find moves for Black): Qe7 (finally he sees it, this move for black maintains the -1.79 advantage) Bg5 Qc5+ Kh2 Bd8 Bh6 (this whole sequence black maintains the -1.8 advantage and after Hikarus next suggestion Re8 its even -2.2) 2:38 "Ok theres g5 instead of Nc5": Nc5 would be +1.2 while g5 is +1.7 for white and opens blacks king so practically much harder to play on 2:50 "h4 is a move here": Goes from +1.7 to -1.7 so another massive blunder (reason being Bxd6 as Alejandro shows later) 4:05 "here I thought Bxg7": From 0.0 to -5.3 for Black (another massive blunder 4:10 "I even considered f4 here": From 0.0 to -3.25 for Black (another massive blunder) Sidenote: 4:35 Alejandro: "Yeah its a very strong position for white" (its +1 for white, correct evaluation) 5:00 "Even after what did I play Re3 I should have some advantage (Alejandro says hes not as sure)": 0.0 5:35 "Ofc I should have an advantage here": Still 0.0 5:45 "Lets say c4, I have a slight edge here": From 0.0 to -0.5, another bad move and now black is definitely better

[@Nafim-kv6rg]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@johart309]

Hahahahahahaha

[@KoH4711]

This kid reminds me of when I was caught cheating on a test as a child, and I had to try and explain the material to prove my innocence but had no idea what I was talking about. He fumbles so much with his words and constantly has to look at Alejandro for reassurance, whereas you see interviews of Magnus or most other GMs who speak confidently and know exactly what they were doing, even post-game. "Chess speaks for itself" is a BS line. "Genius speaks for itself" is more accurate, cause this guy sure isn't one.

[@Bluesruse]

He is a genius regardless, though. Either as a cheater or not.

[@tenningale]

His body language is super suspect as well. Shifting uncomfortably, rubbing his face/eyes, randomly guessing, uncomfortable facial expressions, some nervous laughing... then all the weird move suggestions, platitudes, and just not knowing what he's talking about. I think he's a fraud.

[@redcatofdeath]

Sounds like confirmation bias. I didn't see any of those things.

[@martoonsherpa1287]

@@redcatofdeath sounds like you are confirming bias that he didn’t cheat

[@drewid8734]

I agree. I play poker and this guys body language is that of a fish trying to pull off a wild bluff.

[@m.fheagle3286]

Speaking of poker, when Mike Postle was questioned “what were thinking here” or “what did you put him on” or “what were you repping”? He also couldn’t provide an answer. Totally out of his element. Whereas Dwan or Ivey or negraneau could explain exactly where their head was at when pulling off a brilliant move.

[@cosmofox]

@@redcatofdeath Then you're blind. He displays all those traits and gestures.

[@flipina]

If i tried this on a math test where I got the right answer but my calculation is wrong or incomplete and I say "Math speaks for itself" my Prof would just say "You cheated"

So true ahhah

[@hayleyblackburn1983]

What exactly is he accused of?. Or is it just a general suspicion of his behaviour. How could a person at that level cheat?.

[@flipina]

@@hayleyblackburn1983 It's suspicion for otb cheating. But people are speculating at this point and basing on a variety of things, e.g. that he was unable to explain well during post game, or stats analysis.

[@volty3454]

@@hayleyblackburn1983 he's already admitted to cheating online, he shouldn't be allowed in serious competitions in the first place.

[@hayleyblackburn1983]

@@volty3454 I'm not really upto date with this. I was just curious as to how it is possible to cheat OTB.

[@ClawieArmy]

Why is someone that repeatedly confessed to cheating many times allowed in serious professional tournaments in the first place?

[@garrusv]

And this is the principle Magnus is pointing out.

[@Natkhat_reels_n_Vlogss]

@@ankedo4819 whatever dude but if the player has cheated in past multiple times then he shouldn't be allowed to play at the first place

[@Galimah]

@@Natkhat_reels_n_Vlogss Is the use of an engine considered as "doping" in chess?

[@Natkhat_reels_n_Vlogss]

@@Galimah bro it depends on u how u think of it. But using any sort of external assistance tech is cheating.

[@letsgofishing5238]

@@Galimah Not at all because with doping at least you put in some effort

[@paulpena5040]

wow this analysis is REALLY bad by Hans. I'm only 2200 FIDE and I can tell this isn't right. While a piece sac might be justified it's not overwhelming as he keeps trying to state. Simple moves like Qc5+ and BD8 as pointed out in the video seem hard to address for white and could just be losing. he says "Just h4-h5" yeah but your opponent isn't going to just sit there. Black can always place his k on h7 the h file has no rooks since white castled. NOw to be fair it could just be nerves because the world is accusing him of cheating but he played a computer move (Qg3) which is not at all obvious and rather than show the analysis any strong player would need to show to justify the piece sac he just says "well obviously this is just winning". That's SUPER sus. Why? Because when a player plays a brilliant move like this they are usually chomping at the bit to explain their reasoning. Here he doesn't even want to go over the lines.

[@Filipsoon]

Its because he cant think like an engine and he cant explain this moves coz its to complicated for a human and especially for Hans cheater Niemann

[@umershaikh7179]

makes no sense... andrea botez and him played a game otb where there were big time odds so obviously, there was no way for him to cheat here... so how does he beat andrea so easily with those time odds? he must be at least 2400+ of a player

[@aventus736]

@@umershaikh7179 Because Andrea Botez has a rating of 1600~1700. It makes total sense.

[@paulpena5040]

@@umershaikh7179 Andrea Botez? Seriously? I have beat her recently (online game) and I'm only 2200 FIDE.

[@umershaikh7179]

@@paulpena5040 ok so explain this game… kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWrJZ4N6Zqdpb5I You think you can beat Andrew tang since you are better than Hans? How did someone so low a rating ( prob ~2000 FIDE according to you) get close and actually beat Andrew tang? Also, explain this game… kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnXEqap9ZpeaidU You are saying that you (a 2200FIDE) are better than this guy who is 2500+ FIDE that Hans beat? Also, no way for Hans to have cheated this game too considering the pace of the game and some moves were played instantly

[@ben767fun]

If this is not more than clear and enough evidence that Hans Nieman is constantly cheating in the game of chess, then I don’t know what is

[@studentprawa4804]

where is prove kurwo

[@ben767fun]

He analyses like a 1300 elo player, surely not like a top GM, Kurwo malaka

[@soutchicken7250]

I think he has a secret ear piece .

[@nemanja9275]

​@@studentprawa4804 he didnt know how to analyse the game that he played and talked nonsense and he played 100% accuracy games 10-20 times while no other human has ever done it

[@altugozhan]

@@studentprawa4804 no super GM is that clueless while analyzing their own games

[@naldebol]

I love it !! VERY CLEVER ! Just turn off the engine during analysis and let Hans incriminate himself further by showing he's got no idea how to win this as white. Show everyone that without an engine this guy is lost at this level.

[@XmasTablet]

Exactly 🐮🐴

[@FragBoyStewie]

His chess speaks for itself, but apparently Hans does not

[@quonomonna8126]

this is why he says "my chess speaks for itself" - because he knows he can't give a high level analysis

[@Melpheos1er]

Compare this to Hikaru's analysis or at the time Kasparov's. Every game he plays, he will be able to recount exactly what he played and what he was thinking at the time with usually a minimum of 3 to 4 moves ahead for the variation.

[@TheAluvisify]

You don't need to compare either of those two. You can literally just compare any other player at this event, or better yet, compare Alireza's analysis of this game.

[@lesterchua2677]

6:23 Hans: “I’m curious, what does the computer say here….” Hans reveals his addiction. 😅

[@ThePeoplesElboww]

Hahahaha

[@ra5hid101]

Notice how Hans asks Right" after every analysis he makes like he is asking for validation if he did corrrect . This is extremely suspicious .

[@vyrtilanyrwen3071]

I know I’m a few months late to the party, but here’s my take on it. Hikaru is correct. This is not 2700 level analysis. I’m 2400 OTB, and this isn’t even 2400 level analysis. Look, in order to be a good chess player, you need to know how to evaluate a position accurately. And while this position is rather complicated, you should be able to see what works and what doesn’t. One of the things that surprised me most is that Hans confidently asserted that he was better after 1. Bh6 g6 2. f4?. Their analysis continued as follows: 2. …Qe7 3. Bg5 Qc5+ 4. Kh2 Bd8 5. Bh6 Re8. And Hikaru assessed, again, correctly, that black was clearly winning. Now, why is black winning? Simply put, there’s no breakthrough on the kingside. How do you get in? 6. h4 (hoping for h5) doesn’t work because it runs into 6. …Kh7. White has to trade off the bishops and is slowly starting to lose pieces with which to attack. There’s nothing for white. And I don’t see much of another way in, other than to try to force in the move e6 by playing 6. Bd2. And you might ask, “Well, how does that help force the move e6?” Patience, grasshopper. I’m getting there. See, e6 would be great for white, but there’s one small problem. It’s illegal. You can’t push a pawn into a bishop. You’re not ChatGPT. So, you need to find a way to trade off the light square bishops. That way, you eliminate the light square blockade that black has. Let’s take, for example, a variation that goes 6. Bd2 Nb6 7. Bg4 Bxg4 8. Qxg4 Qe7 (rerouting another piece to defend) 9. e6 Bc7 (or even just Kh7, both moves should be okay) 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 Kg7. Yeah, defense might be a little uncomfortable at first, but black should be completely winning. There’s nothing concrete for white. If I had to instinctively evaluate the position, I’d say it seems like -2.5. I might be wrong. Computers tend to find crazy defensive measures, so they might even evaluate it more heavily in black’s favor. But also, you don’t even have to play into the trade with 6. …Nb6. I think I would just play 6. …Kh7 and try to force some pieces off immediately. Black just has a very comfortable endgame. And that’s just one of many ways where Hans’ analysis on his own game went wrong. Again, I stress, this is his own game. You should have a better idea of what’s going on in your own game. I honestly don’t understand what’s going on with Niemann. Why on earth can’t he just give a straight answer in his analysis. It seems to be masked with this overwhelming cockiness. Like, speaking really fast through a variation instead of walking everyone through it, and masking it with this air of, “If you can’t see that this is just good for me, you’re wrong.” When I watch this poor analysis, all I see is some cocky, scared shitless kid. (Heh. Funny for me to call him a kid, considering I’m a year younger, but I suppose his demeanor betrays his inner childishness.) The thing I don’t understand is just that if he’s capable of beating some of the best players in the world (Carlsen, Aronian, Liren, Giri, Le Quang Liem), then how come he can’t explain how he did it. All the other players can do it. Maybe that’s because they actually know how to play chess. It seems to me there are two possible answers. Let’s first rule out that this wasn’t just nerves or some freak coincidence that he couldn’t evaluate this position properly. This same thing has happened multiple other times on his part. When coincidence piles up like that, it becomes evidence. Now, the two possible answers are that he either gets struck with some divine inspiration every time he plays a game such that he can never quite explain himself after the fact, or, and brace yourself, because this is a wild and unforeseen answer, he’s a cheater. Now, I’ll ask you, which of those two possibilities is more likely? I’m going with he’s a cheater for $500, Alex. The thing about cheating is that you can never really hide it forever. Sooner or later, you’re going to run into people who know all the signs of a cheater. It was a masterful performance by Niemann while it lasted, though.

[@vyrtilanyrwen3071]

@DB-COOPER, the only reason I feel comfortable even saying it is because this is basically just an anonymous KZbin account. I would never publicly voice my real opinion on an account that could actually be linked to me. Now, do I think that Niemann is a strong player even without an engine? Yes. Absolutely. But do I think he cheats, even OTB? Also yes. I have very little doubt of that.

[@Verbux]

@@vyrtilanyrwen3071”I would never publicly voice my opinion on an account that can be linked to me”…. Oh Jeez

[@idisplaypace2411]

You are FM? Whats ur name

[@RTAC_1234]

@@vyrtilanyrwen3071 I respect your opinion, but let's look at what's occurred since the cheating controversy. Firstly, Niemann is going to be under massive scrutiny. It would be a fairly remarkable accusation to suggest that he has cheated OTB since the Carlsen game, which was now 10 months ago. In that time, in 2022 he gained 10.8 points in October, he gained 0.1 points in November, and he lost 0.5 points in December. In 2023, he gained 7.7 points in January (to top 2700), and he gained 2 points in May. At this point, he had played numerous tournaments, many OTB games, and was rated 2704 and 31st in the world. Since then, he has lost some points, but he is still rated at 2674. I should also mention that he has played some OTB blitz, and gained 10.4 points this month, climbing to 2628. That blitz rating would be indicative of a very strong player, and it's almost inconceivable that he cheated in OTB blitz. It's difficult to imagine how this would even happen, not that there is any actual evidence that he has ever cheated OTB. What you see from his results is simply the performances of a world-class player, who is a bit below the elite. It's exactly what he would he would and should be considered without the Carlsen stuff. There is still zero evidence that he has ever cheated OTB, and for nearly a year since this accusation was made, he has maintained the rating of a high-2600 / low-2700, elite level, borderline super GM chess player. I think at that point we can reasonably conclude that this is exactly what he is, particularly as the OTB cheating allegations are completely unproven, and, therefore, I would say, spurious.

[@dan.m.8614]

If you are able to demolish Magnus Carlsen then you should be able to at least give analysis lmao Magnus Mops the floor with 2600s

[@thomasmullee3049]

Nobody is talking about bone conduction, molar mic, can be hidden behind your teeth, or something else, can be hidden under his hair.

[@GalacticNewsNetwork1]

This is like the kid that did a book report and copied some else’s review But the teacher ask some details And he can’t come up with nothing

[@joebest4463]

WHERE?? Playing in a tournament with cameras and equipment everywhere, HOW did he cheat? Anal pearls? Chess computer implanted in his head? HOW ??? Until they show how it was done I have to say you're ALL full of shit!

[@vincenzo6412]

When Hikaru said "I think black is actually winning here." I choked... LOL

[@Kingomegared]

When your math teacher asks you to show you're work

[@oneforallah]

LMAO

[@joelyfish4216]

Bro, I haven't played tournament since highschool where I peaked about 1650, and this is painful.

[@TheGeeoff]

At the last candidates one of the GMs had a tough game that was a.draw, but afterwards his opponent pointed out a win that he missed. You could that the conversation was very high level and the GM deeply realized his error. In this interview he looks like an amateur analyzing to a depth of three.

[@williamrobert9898]

You're talking about the game between Teimour Radjabov and Richard Rapport I believe and you're absolutely correct

[@demosthenes5478]

@@williamrobert9898 Is that Rapport of the Rapport-Jobava system?

[@williamrobert9898]

@@demosthenes5478 Yes

[@futuropasado]

He is a GM, he knows to analyze lol.

[@moonchipss]

"of course i missed the chance, doesn't take a genius to figure that out." LMAOOOOO

[@boniface494]

Hans Niemann training for his next tournament with the book "morse code for dummies" :)

[@drsus0]

I dont play that much chess, at all.. but it doesnt take a chess expert to see and hear when someone is sinking on camera

[@toryshafer1961]

Ah Hikaru stopped watching these interviews on stream because he was threatened with legal action for something

[@canefan17]

Even if he were cheating, wouldn't an above 2500 player be able to explain it once they know the best move? I've seen IMs going into great detail once they just see the first move in a line.

[@lukaz3336]

what if he was like 1500 level lol.

[@icythrone]

This by itself has almost completely convinced me that Hans is guilty (to what degree TBD). Any GM let alone a super GM can analyze positions like this in their sleep -- compare this to Ding Liren's casual analysis on a bus (kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKLNZpejj96EfJY&ab_channel=ChessBaseIndia). It's like night and day. His whole "the position speaks for itself, it's obvious" is a classic deflection move. He doesn't know what the hell is going on.

[@lwsbrcly8831]

you are so right. listening to a genius say those moves, and the board just about keeping up... and goes back for the 2nd then 3rd variations. then hear Hans be like... uh... F4..? CRINGE

[@learninghistory4397]

"Of course there is always -insert any move to sound smart-".

[@jpmc271]

This is essentially Alejandro playing Hans and hans is losing. Hans knows chess. But he doesn't know how to play chess. He's not crushing Alejandro, much less magnus.

[@joebest4463]

BULLSHIT, you're too stupid to understand what Hans is saying

[@SavantGardeEX]

Okay here's every line stated by Hans or Hikaru, i ran this with Stockfish 15 with really high depth. Question from Alejandro: After QG3 and D takes C4 (Top engine move) what is the continuation. Hans : Bishop takes h6 and g6 (Both top engine moves) Now hans says a weird move with Pawn to f4. There was 3 moves after this that was +1 for black Hikaru: "After Qc5 check then bd8 (2nd best move recommended by the engine) and there's also bb6 (3rd best engine move). Alejandro: What do you do after bd8? Hans: bh6 (3rd best move, but it's now +3 for black) Hikaru: I think black is actually winning here after re8 btw ( Re8 top engine move at any depth, This is indeed true) Hikaru correct lines (so far): 1 Hans lines (so far): 0 Alejandro now moves on to a line with a move that Alireza played in the game kh8 after Qg3. Hans: After knight d6 (Top engine move) and instead of knight c5 (that was played by alireza) there's pawn to G5 here. Hikaru: G5?!?!? What? Now hikaru saw G5 and didn't seem to like this move, but this is actually the top engine move and is +1.5 for white. Hans: Even h4 is a move here. (h4 is actually a blunder bc of bishop now takes the knight on d6 and is winning) Hans: Now takes takes (Pawn takes the bishop on f4 and queen takes the pawn back) Side note: This position is now drawish with perfect play according to the engine and white has lost all advantage. Hans: Then Kg7 and rook d3 (Both top engine moves) and rook h8 (2nd best move for black and now white has a +6 advantage) Hikaru: I think blacks winning again! Interesting this time hika is wrong Engine gives this position + 0.6 for white. Not embarassing as +3 but he said blacks winning when it was slightly winning for white. Hans false lines:1 Hika false lines: 1 Now Peter (Another GM and commentator of the broadcast) informs Alejandro that the earlier line with pawn to h4, Bishop takes knight is winning. And Hans realises it too. Interestingly now corrects it with be3 Hans: be3 instead of h4 ( be3 is the 2nd best engine move) h4 was a blunder. Alejandro now again moves on to the move Alireza played in the game which was knight to c5 and continues throughout the moves and hans came up with a new line Hans: Instead of rook e3 (a move hans played in game) now bishop e5 (re3 3rd best engine move, be5 best engine move). Then Queen c5 (for black) and Rook g4 (Both top engine moves). Hans then states multiple lines he was thinking during the game Hans: I thought i was smart bc If bishop takes the rook on g4, pawn to f4. (Bishop g4 is actually the 2nd best engine move but is completely losing for black, and f4 is the top engine move trapping the queen) Hans: but then i realised he has qc1 check (top engine move), and kh2 (only move). I then thought of bg7 (Terrible move +6 for black) and F4 here (+5 for black after qd1... Glad these were just thoughts) New line was presented again Hans: instead of bd3 now be3 (Interesting from inaccuracy to the best engine move and keeping his +1.3 advantage) i missed the queen c1 idea and paid the preice Alejandro: you managed to hold on to a draw Hans: I definitely wasn't the one holding on even after re3 i should still have some advantage right? Hikaru: haha no you can't objectively evaluate an endgame Hans was technically right he had 0.1 advantage according to stockfis (engine wasn't on for the analysis during this line btw) Another new line Hans: C4 instead of G4 (C4 is an inaccuracy, g4 is the 3rd best move but still a losing one) Hikaru: C6 you're never better after b6 (inaccuracy according to engine it had 3 move advantages but now it's draw) *Alejandro gets b6 at the board after c6 Hans: rb3 (2nd best move) and then rb8 for black (3rd best move), bishiop h6 (best and only move that keeps advantage) Hikaru: There's rook e6, d7, rook d8 (Now big hika made a big oopsie here... e6 loses advantage bc rb6 and d7 is not a move, it's a big blunder of -2 for the elo, rd8 is the only move in that line) Final note: Hikaru laughs bc the elo is winning for black, however apparently the best move is rook e4, takes takes on b6 and then d7 and KH7?!?! you let white promote and have 2 queens without taking it apparently and it's still winning for black with perfect play, ridiculous, not as embarrassing for hans tbh.

[@SavantGardeEX]

Btw i stopped counting the lines points but hans had a little edge in some lines in the end bc re4 and d7 is definitely not 2700 analysis by hikaru 😅.

[@paulpena5040]

THis is dumb analysis. You can't just count the # of times each person is right is the content of what they're saying. Claiming Bh6 "is just winning" is "just stupid". no engine or person agrees with this. In lines Hans gets wrong he's down 3+ what naka gets wrong is difference between even and .1. Neimann is definitely cheating.

[@Bjarku]

I think you mixed up ‘elo’ and ‘engine’

[@SavantGardeEX]

@@paulpena5040 There are moves hikaru considers weird or bad that were actually the absolute top engine move... Also Naka blundered d7 in his final line and it was +3 so... cry

[@SavantGardeEX]

@@Bjarku ???

[@billyh4068]

Hikaru's reactions here are fantastic!

[@johnkarford6430]

Look at his confused or frustrated face when asked to give variations. What loser and cheater should be banned forever

[@mrnixon2287]

Suss analysis 101. Hans represents in this interview like someone who can't explain his tactical choices very well.

[@PlayfulCloud3]

Just goes to show Hans never used any concrete thought process throughout the game . First time seeing a GM who reads the board like 98% wrong .

[@n1te]

The "chess speaks for itself" was his best tactic to avoid his whole masquerade falling apart.

[@20acivi08]

2:39 it's like Hans heard how shocked Hikaru is

[@sergiogentile7680]

It's so obvious how defensive he is that he's a liar. How he licks his lips when he seems to be getting somewhere believable and how is trying to control the flow of talk to avoid shining light on the fact that he's lying. You don't need to know anything about the subject matter but just have experience with liars and it's very obvious

[@benjaminhartman3091]

Hans* “Just out of curiosity, Let me see what the computer would say” **translation** “let me see what I would normally do in the situation“

[@scottekoontz]

Translation: Hans is also a most incredible electronic genius and is able to make fast successive moves OTB because he can communicate with a super computer each of his and his opponents moves, receive a response and make the moves. Any idea how he is doing that?

[@calix_red7300]

Im watching this in 2023 and im still mindblown how this guy got away this suspect stuff.

[@esotericnightmares]

bewildering levels of confusion there by Hans.

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

I haven’t played chess seriously in years, so I’m a bit out of the loop on the current headlines surrounding this guy. BUT. From the little I know, this dude seems like hes bullshitting. His analysis is bum tier, but when he asked “what does the computer say” was a major red flag like he seemed to want to make sure he wasn’t saying anything too stupid. Feels super wrong.

[@fjmariano5582]

I really want to believe that he's just really good and we have a new genius but... damn...

[@dsodragon8152]

well doesn't really prove anything tbh.... I also sometimes forget the objective behind a move I played which turned out to be a good move.... and sometimes I think I'm completely winning after a certain move and turns out it's losing.... if someone can't explain their reasoning, it doesn't automatically mean they're cheating.....

[@Anupamchess]

Your level and a GM's level is completely different....from around 1600 every tempo matters and from this rating range every move you play have specific reason as well as ideas .... And 2600 or 2700 is much much beyond than that so they have even higher and crystal clear idea about what they did So whether u consider or not it really does not matter because he actually cheated.... His post game interview after beating magnus This game analysis His incoordination of speech speaks for itself....thank u...

[@dsodragon8152]

@@Anupamchess true but not being able to explain the reasoning doesn't automatically mean he's cheating.... And Magnus is far from the ultimate court of chess

[@Anupamchess]

@@dsodragon8152 can't u see the incoordination of speech :)

[@jonathangarcia273]

​@@dsodragon8152men, he IS a cheater 100x100

[@nottoksic]

@@Anupamchessbecause someone’s nervous on live stream/TV means they’re guilty?

[@zacharysherry2910]

Imagine if Hans rattled off the entire game and all brilliant variations like Ivanchuk... Lolol

[@etseng1234]

He's under more stress here during analysis than when he's playing again Magnus. That is super sus.

[@xmetax]

Commentator : *Shows engine analysis Hans : Huh!?.... that's not what it showed me when i was _playing_

[@u.v.s.5583]

There is a Bishop, there is the Queen, there is the opposing King. I agree with Hans: Just look at the position, no variations are needed, it is checkmate, it has to be! There is a checkmate and a win, even if I can't find it at the board and lose material and the game.

[@boredom2go]

Stockfish during the match. ChatGPT after the match.

[@Stay-hard]

I love how he just read one move of the engine but he didn’t knew the line

[@GeraltofRivia22]

The dude has admitted to cheating as recently as 3 years ago. The only debate we should be having is what method he used to cheat.

[@Bluesruse]

What does admitting cheating prove, though, other than people's predjudice to conclude once x always x? If he claimed never to have cheated, we could conclude he never cheated? See, it makes no sense, and isn't evidence at all (although, I definitely think he cheated, but not based on his own admission).

[@futuropasado]

he said only online.

[@MrFootofDavros]

"2640, 2650 player at his peak". That aged poorly. That's the difference between someone arrogantly backing up his self belief when the engine shows the position to be otherwise and trying to accuse someone of cheating.

[@di380]

Everyone was surprised by the lack of understanding of the chess position from Hans on this analysis. If you are a grandmaster you should know this 😂

[@richy2258]

I don't understand why he would cheat during the game and then be stupid enough to just wing it on the analysis. He's not a chess engine, he's not on the spectrum like Hikaru is, he's going off of vibes and general positional principles. I'm a decent player, it's hard to see black being better with the position so closed off unless you calculate at Hikaru's level.

[@gigagoatt]

5:11 that’s twice he loses his accent!! 🎉

[@SFbayArea94121]

His JEWmann accent. That pos just like the rest of em

[@ethanlal4517]

Guyz he was just disoriented after the loss. Hes just human afterall and that doesnt make him a cheater.

[@jonathangarcia273]

Yeah, but its a Cheater

[@nottoksic]

@@jonathangarcia273it? What is it?

[@datdudeinred]

I occasionally come to this video just for some refreshments 😂

[@Peenos]

11 months late, but black is winning quite comfortably when he said they're completely lost 💀

[@Lockdown335]

I like that they use other GMs to for analysis hahaha Dude was showing him how inexplicable some of his his ideas were and Hans was just like uhhhh ummmm yeah

[@CosmicLion777]

0:34 is the most honest reaction from Hikaru.

[@ata5855]

"did you cheat?" "first off, let me tell you about my accent"

[@ArJayDM]

Most of his explanations are literally, "i dont see any world where im not winning here"

[@jefftaylor1186]

Imagine winning a game so thoroughly and not be able to explain your thought process.

[@xl000]

Reminds me of a time when I had to expand on a book I didn’t read and actually kew nothing, based only,on a short dialog between two characters which I didn’t even know the gender. Didn’t go well

[@TMJ32]

This guy doesnt even know which position is better lol. Yet hes playing 100% games.

[@nmalele0909]

Better than Bobby Fischer btw

[@abraham802]

didn't hikaru say that he would suspect even more hans of cheating if the line hans pretended magnus to saved in the chess database didn't actually exist?

[@Widkey]

Hans better hope he never gets caught cheating again.. he'll be banned for life.

[@20acivi08]

among all videos i've seen, i think this is the most sus video of hans niemann. i mean, to move the queen instead of saving your knight from the pawn's attack MUST be built on some sort of a plan/trick/regain after a couple of moves. But he can totally not explain why he did this brilliant/atypical move and left his knight for sacrifice, and even more, he cannot explain how he could've saved his position if black would have made the totally obvious move of taking his knight.

[@lesterchua2677]

I like how the interviewer blinked when Hans makes outrageous statements. So before anyone else, Carlsen and this interviewer made up their minds that Hans was cheating, Hans did not have the engine in the post game analysis.

[@XmasTablet]

They turned off the chess engine, as they knew Hans brought his own one it, haha 🐒🐵

[@sillyking1991]

a lot of people talked about this analysis as evidence that hans cheated. What i didn't hear/see mentioned as much is that this behavior is also consistent with a person that has a massive ego making a mistake and not wanting to admit it.

[@jonathangarcia273]

Yeah, he IS a cheater

[@sillyking1991]

@@jonathangarcia273 ?

[@knockkek9808]

You are correct. I fully agree with you. Still, at such a high level you should be able to objectively talk about your position and not give bad move variations

[@sillyking1991]

@@knockkek9808 i mean, sure. but being capable of doing something doesn't mean you're going to succeed every time. lots of pressure, massive ego being attacked, pride feeling hurt. all im saying is that this one clip isn't anywhere close to being definitive, and anyone that claims it is has clearly not thought things through

[@maxfaberg128]

That descriptions fits more Magnus as this point LMAO

[@gunhann]

Qg3 is the best move by the engine. Then the game is equal. However, Hikaru was absolutely right after the line Hans suggested, it is -2.0 for the black and black was winning.

[@chaplainbeats7028]

He needs to charge his plug before the game…

[@someguyslastname8487]

Looking back at this. From two people in the video Hikaru is analyzing, one of them got canceled and his life was ruined. And it wasn't Hans

[@strangewool]

What happened ?

[@someguyslastname8487]

@@strangewool Alejandro was accused of harassing women. In particular Jane Sahade

[@josnoordzij6802]

So, why was the engine made invisible? Was it to trap him into making false statements or to protect him from his obvious fallacies showing ?

[@BoeingPrototype]

2:40 An encapsulation of how Hikaru felt about all this

[@antonackermann9620]

Yep. I believe Magnus was right about this guy.

[@gianlucatartaro1335]

1:08 “Uhhh shoot they are on to me, just say something is obvious and then start saying moves in one particular variation really quickly so you sound smart!”

[@DJTalpes]

i felt vulnerable, and "naked" just by listening to him. It feels like either he had some divine inspiration at the time and forgot with lucidity to replay the inspirational moment,if you know what i mean. it's like when you are inspired and in the moment you create something amazing and when you get sober form the moment you just feel like someone else did it for you....but this is so fishy

[@TheManofThings777]

I mean sure, it's possible the chess gods possessed his body and gave him an unheard of brilliance that he is unable to explain himself or... He probably just cheated.

[@ptyxx]

Yeah no that never happens

[@vegan.3176]

​@@ptyxx yo thats blasphemous. The chess gods will punish you

[@Spiderfv1]

I think Hikaru was a bit over reacting this anlysis like you can clearly see Hnas not caring much

[@FreedomFighter2112]

Hey Nakamura, you are correct @2:03 Black is easily winning according to the engine by 2.4

[@tretihory]

2.4 valutation of engine doesnt prove anything

[@StevenSenjaya]

​@@tretihory that's not the point, Hans thinks that White is winning and that's sus

[@SomeGuy-qd2sb]

unnecessarily rude, wearing all black.... i really respect how much Hans has embraced his role as the sith lord of the chess world

[@whatsup_internet]

Either he is a big cheater who is so expert in cheating that nobody ever caught him or he just never Learned the chess notations .. guess we'd never knew

[@andrewbomkamp3708]

This is what happens when you try to explain moves that you didn't make

[@JustJustKen]

Niemann looked like he was being interrogated. lmao

[@MOLLOYALLOY]

Has Hikaru ever listened to himself? It's largely because he can't be arsed to try but some of his commentary on his own play when he is streaming is abysmal too.

[@seinundzeiten]

I guess he is not the next Bobby Fisher after all, despite his quicker rise to super GM status