How Hans Niemann BROKE Chess

[@thefranChise1]

I just realized I didn’t say “Itesodadae”

[@tyrantishrl]

:(

[@xxx333mmm]

wtf ritard

[@tferuh]

Your video lacks "objectivity". Every GM in the world, can explain his thinking process and give you a few "variations" of a specific position.

[@timopint1125]

change the titel....everyone expected a comp different video...

[@TrggrWarning]

What is chess?

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Have no idea why YT recommended this to me but it was great.

[@bakters]

I do have an idea why. Unfortunately, no relevant soccer analogy comes to mind, so that's all I can tell you.

[@Bettercraz]

Yup same

[@bakters]

@@juliuscaesar8163 Yeah, that's interesting stuff. Anyway, my qrd: Nieman *is* a cheater, nobody so far can prove it to him. A guy like Randi would easily challenge him, but unfortunately, he passed away some years ago. Well, there are other magicians with equal skill. However, they don't seem to care as much.

[@Onts123]

​@@baktersI think Podolski said this once (maybe I'm wrong and it was somebody else): "Soccer is like chess, albeit without dices."

[@Horneycorn]

Same. And I don’t even play chess..😅

[@TechGamesAU]

We need people to play 100% over the board, naked, and having cavity search

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

Alternatively play OTB, clothed and unmolested, but inside a sound and light isolated faraday cage.

[@BestPrezz]

@@momatotsosrorudodi boring

[@patdeen3960]

What I he's got one of those spy teeth?

[@buster2134]

We need to install neurochips to make sure they aren't cheating with their mind

[@eget4144]

Maybe strong jammers can be used too.

[@brandonsmith666]

hans cheated…i was the one who sent the signals to his beads

[@martinkrauser4029]

It's true I was the bead

[@foleyhuck2344]

Its true I was his anus

[@ecoconatus8089]

Trust him, he's right

[@edithor9493]

Liar! I didn' witnessed anything abnormal, everyone deserves to raise their vibration (I was the left one)

[@HugoStiglitz88]

He did cheat though lol this isn't a joke man.

[@Hathathn]

What frustrates me about videos like this is while the OP is being critical of all these people being so "obviously illogical", like 1 second later they will say things like "this rules out cheating" because the player didn't play only top engine moves. This mistake is made repeatedly by all sorts of defenders, the idea that a cheater must cheat constantly, when everyone knows the smart way to cheat would be to use the engine sparingly, in critical positions, and inconsistently. "obviously".

[@Vision-fm8tc]

To me it’s obvious he’s cheating, he cheats to go against better players. Why? He wouldn’t be good enough to beat them without cheating anyways evidence num 1. He also scored 0 points and then out of the blue beat the best player in the world? Come on now, that is quite literally impossible 😂

[@CarnyToddler]

@@Vision-fm8tc "Come on now, that is quite literally impossible" You're stating it's impossible to have a loss streak? That is a common story in all sports, at all levels. It's not that hard to believe that he was highly motivated after an embarrassing run. That Magnus can't be defeated by someone that is having a losing streak just isn't backed up by statistics, or logic. Your statement is an example of hubris.

[@darioalves464]

Pretty much this. An entire video of "no evidence" except, yk, for the fact that Hans has admitted to cheating in the past. One of my favorite stupid arguments in the video is the one where Hans had this amazing improvement because he "played a lot" while other guys where not playing as much, forgetting completely about how burnout, tiredness from otb classical, excessive traveling and jetlag can affect the performances and improvements of players who play a lot. Its not just the fact that he "played a lot" its also the fact that he suffered from none of these drawbacks until recently. I also love how he completely disregards specialists pointing to how Hans is cheating, but talks about all the specialists pointing to how he is not as if those were all matter of fact. As if specialists in an area are always good, or in agreements about some result. Not to mention all the "no conclusive evidence". Like, unless Hans ever comes out specifically saying he had a plug up his fun hole, there is never going to be conclusive evidence. There is just way to many pointers to the fact that he cheated.

[@taxatollah]

@@Vision-fm8tc Absurd. There is no credible evidence that he has cheated over-the-board other than the fact that he had cheated online prior to August 2020. Furthermore, cheating in a round robin, invitational tournament would be so difficult and so risky that it would be insane to attempt it.

[@ashiok]

@@darioalves464 You see how cynical your logic is though? Because someone cheated in the past, you judge them as permanently guilty, incapable of exoneration or actual improvement. You are essentially casting a branding iron onto someone and then chiding them for it.

[@greedsin555]

As a statistician I hate the internet and everyone here

[@Pootie_Tang]

overall, in my experience of dealing with chess players, they are usually not very smart or decent people at all away from a chess board, and the better the player - the more it is obvious. Not the absolute universal rule, of course, but the tendency is there. To not freak out the statistician in you - those are mine anecdotal encounters, of course =) But gladly, the most vocal part of people (like here in comments) is not a correct representation of the overall average opinion

[@ExplodingSkull-n5y]

as someone whose only knowledge in stastics is elementary, you are stastically wrong about hating everyone

[@greedsin555]

@@ExplodingSkull-n5y You underestimate my power

[@brzt4256]

@@greedsin555 as a statistician, that made me chuckle.

[@prince5922]

@@Pootie_Tang You are an idiot if you think you can make that statement based on your own personal experience in it means anything else other than "your experience", which is also highly dependant on you who you are and what you perceive to be smart or decent. You could very well be a rude and arrogant person yourself.

[@tatbaz1]

Hans interview at Sinqfield didnt do him any favours. He said he cheated online only in unrated games so he could get his rating up to play stronger players. Wtf. He also lied about the number of times he cheated which turned out to be a lot more than he admitted too. When you have a track record of cheating and lying its not surprising that a lot of people wont trust you again.

[@jr6200]

Just because he cheated so much doesn't mean he might be cheating . . . I mean uih

[@declaredjeans7555]

​@@jr6200That's true, but after cheating and lying to the extent he has, it's no surprise people don't trust him. He can't expect people to just forget that he has admitted to cheating.

[@QuinnBeckley]

adding on to this, taking past events into account can help predict future events (inductive reasoning) but saying "he cheated before therefore he's cheating now" is a fallacy that i think too many people fell into. it's not about whether you trust him to not cheat it's about whether he actually cheated. and as more evidence came out (mostly the stuff in this video) it became more apparent that the entire chess world jumped the gun on this. the definitive answer wasn't about the trust of top gm's

[@xxxpyrosxxx]

​@@jr6200 if your partner admits to have cheated in the past, it does not mean they are cheating right now... However, it means they have it in them to cheat. Some people do not do it by principle. Others will do it, because they are put into a situation where they feel like they need or want to. This is how i see it. I would never date a person who cheated, just because i am aware they have the capacity to cheat instead of talking to me. I would not want to play against a person like that as well. Just because you can never be sure, and, at your lowpoints it will fk with your head.

[@Cilent__]

​@@xxxpyrosxxxDoesn't that also mean that they'll also actually be honest and tell you they cheated? You can't take the "they cheated, so they can do it again" part and leave out "when they cheated they admitted it". Meaning there would be no need for accusations or speculation because they'll say they did it.

[@new_telluhh]

I love how you’re branching out into covering other topics instead of just the smash and commentary community! Great video man🧡

[@Dr.Pepper001]

I was the checker champion of my 3rd grade class.

[@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8]

I was the 2nd at the same tournament

[@jeremyg8286]

Cheater. You have a morse code pencil in your shoe or what? Tell us how you did it!

[@GaryMillyz]

Admit it- you just played checkers as an excuse for the anal beads

[@crazychicken8290]

@@jeremyg8286 the checkers speak for itself

[@anitashukla9475]

​@@crazychicken8290😂😂

[@GrantHoffman123456]

This was an excellent video on cheating. I have been involved in investigation allegations of cheating in the Backgammon world. You have to be so careful and remember that you are dealing with a persons reputation. When you say a person cheated, you should have to say how they cheated, not just, that you have a feeling. Maybe a feeling is enough to start an investigation but it should be a private investigation.

[@chucklebutt4470]

I didn't know Backgammon was played seriously enough to warrant such an investigation! That's pretty interesting!

[@Pootie_Tang]

This

[@rosalind1635]

How the fork you cheat in backgammon?

[@malinkifox2011]

Bro you look 12 and 39 at the same time

[@shubhamvishwakarma317]

Broooo 😂😂😂

[@steelgames1385]

R/rareburns

[@Sockren]

i do not understand this insult at all bro this is like the 5th default highschool kid avatar you see

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Great documentary man. And yeah, I didn’t like how Hikaru posed himself as an objective bystander when he clearly had some biases against Hans. It’s okay to have biases, but he wasn’t combating them, he was leaning into them

[@TheEpicRooster]

I didnt know Dream played chess.

[@Mike_Rottchburns]

LOL

[@timopint1125]

didnt know chess is played since cold war ended

[@joeeburg]

That's what the point of the mask is

[@ThunderChunky101]

Nobody is that ugly.

[@Albi9w]

Is this a reverse asian racism situation, where all white people look the same ?

[@topsecurity4122]

"Chess speaks for itself" -famous last words

[@mutedmutiny9542]

By that logic, when you beat the best player and lose to everyone else, then yeah it does speak for itself, it says you cheated.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

@@mutedmutiny9542 Best player in the world GAVE UP he didn't continue to play i'm sure Magnus would've wiped floors with him had he continued to play that match but for some reason he DIDN'T WANT TO, also he left the tournament calming cheating was the reason my 2 cents is that he for whatever reason didn't want to play that tournament and found an excuse, Hans won fair game but Magnus then turned around and said "well he must have cheated" i say that's bullshit just because your expectations and reality didn't match does not mean Hans cheated.

[@mutedmutiny9542]

@@MrAlexanderLang like I said it speaks for itself. So I guess he can only beat the best player in the world, not anyone else? Lmao doesn’t pass the smell test

[@Louisiana1975]

It was so pretentious & douchy...

[@rias.gremoryyy]

​@@mutedmutiny9542he defeated hikaru several times as well.. u don't get how these things work do u.. if you have a higher or lower Elo than someone that doesn't guarantee you a win in chess.. I've seen GMs lose to IMs.. does that mean that they were cheating? It's honestly beyond dumb to accuse someone of cheating just because he was too good.. you literally have no proof.. not a single hint as to how and why would he cheat.. Not a single player that gets above 2000 elo would ever cheat against the strongest player in the world and at the same time refuse to cheat against others.. magnus got mad that Hans humiliated him in the interview that day and that's why he pulled out

[@marusero25]

Like the worst part about this drama is that even if Hans is legit and ultimately ends up growing as a chess player and gain the world champion title(although unlikely) this would only spark more paranoia among the chess community. No one would believe the integrity of the game moving forward.

[@chancemoore1515]

Not really because if Hans does that then its just confirmed he never cheated over the board

[@YELLLLOOOOWLOOOOOOONG]

how could hans cheat?

[@Taiwan-zt4xl]

Chess community? More like redditors and those that follow Hikaru Cry Nakamura.

[@YELLLLOOOOWLOOOOOOONG]

@@marusero25 hans is only 21, he still hasnt reached his prime

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

​@@Taiwan-zt4xl Magnus Carlsen is the one who started the reputation destruction catered to the religious Chess players

[@David-es4pi]

Definitely the best video I’ve seen on this topic. I remember being somewhat bothered/confused by the confidence in which people were saying that Hans cheated- there was never any direct evidence, and Hans has take a massive reputational hit as a result. I’m rooting for him

[@huk2617]

There was direct evidence - that being that he himself admitted to cheating on multiple occasions.

[@itskalstor9076]

I like the part where Hans Niemann says “It’s Esaming Time”

[@XpVersusVista]

the Niemann speaks for himself

[@robbyg2490]

wtf are you on about

[@Bettercraz]

Timestamp??

[@zoidberg945]

@@Bettercraz 54:51

[@slyker1114]

I like that you don’t fear to go after big KZbinrs just to say the right thing. Great video

[@Barackobama-uq2ly]

Lol why would he be?

[@nicholasmaniccia1005]

@@Barackobama-uq2ly Because all those tough chess nerds would literally jump him after a tournament. Violence in the professional chess community has always been swept under the rug. What do you think ACTUALLY happened to Bobby Fischer.

[@jsccs1]

​@@nicholasmaniccia1005That Karpov feller done had Spassky hold Bobby down an' gave him a fookin a big black bishop right in the biddy. Dont even get me started on what they did to Morphy.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Except he's wrong lol Neiman cheated. Get over it.

[@Pieguy223]

​@@HugoStiglitz88 ok schizo

[@Exapico]

Commenting for the algorithm and because thefranChise is still in desperate need of assistance!

[@edgarassalk2935]

in my opinion he won, there's no definitive proof that he cheated. just because he admited to cheating before is not proof, it actually takes guts to say if he's not cheating atm. they should inspect them before matches (thoroughly xD)

[@joeschmoe-q1d]

Ya I don't think he cheated but he messing himself up with his attitude he has and ego

[@edgarassalk2935]

@@joeschmoe-q1d still they need definitive proof. Imo they need to strip naked and take an x-ray before a match lol, only way to be sure.

[@blasphemicwhale]

what the f? absolutely not bro. for what reason would an innocent person have to claim they cheated when they didnt?

[@edgarassalk2935]

@@blasphemicwhale as i understand it's magnus that claimed the guy cheated, because he lost. And it seems everyone agrees. But i don't understand how, when there's no proof.

[@blasphemicwhale]

@@edgarassalk2935 Hans Niemann himself admitted in interviews to cheating

[@joshuapatrick682]

from an outside perspective all this did was make the "Inner circle" of Chess look like a bunch of whiny bitches.

[@MogauLephaka]

U are the whiny…..

[@57Folhinha]

​@@MogauLephakawhat is he whining about

[@emperorzurg2991]

And now Hans is not being invited to prominent tournaments and the open ones he has been playing should be easier for him to cheat and not get caught he's been losing rating points. Makes you wonder who the real cheaters are

[@TheSubpremeState]

​@@emperorzurg2991Hikaru strikes me as a narcissistic liar. Not sure about hans. He could be psychic

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

​@@57Folhinhahe is whining about the fact someone got called out for cheating and got caught .... Chess is supposed to be a gentleman's game, not a place for cheating, albeit, there will always be cheaters, it isn't generally done in chess....

[@emanuelzbeda1420]

Sometimes it feels like the idea of innocent until proven guilty has died and I love your channel because you’re so excellent at putting the court of public opinion in check when it needs to be

[@Pavel-q1r8s]

Magnus and many other accusers act like MAGNUS JUST CAN'T LOSE. Why the hell is that? Is he GOD?

[@HelsenbergFan]

yo i felt the exact same way about literally all of this its so nice to see that someone else is talking about this bro im PRAYING your video goes viral its so fked up what the chess world did to hans and hikarus hypocrisy

[@hifce]

Thank you for your exceptional ability to provide truthful context and excellent stance for justice in the video. Continue doing the poetic work. Great job!

[@joshuacoleman6245]

Really well done! Good presentation. Great video! This story needs to be shared.

[@milesedgeworth60]

Chess was an unexpected topic from this channel, but this is such a well researched and produced video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Also appreciated the Ace Attorney and other Capcom OST. Good job and happy new year!

[@samthebagman4643]

YOOOO, I didnt think I would be featured as a member (I forgot I was a member lmao) Good vid bro, keep up the amazing work, and I pray that your editing software stops messing up all the time, I really hate to see it

[@23bcx]

Hikaru broke an NDA and then stokes the flames with misleading videos

[@TheWesterlyWarlock]

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for Hikaru during all of this, and now seeing this video made me lose a lot more.

[@AR15andGOD]

Who cares about breaking NDAs. It's words on paper written by man, I'll violate it any day of the week.

[@Pepesmall]

An NDA to not reveal the names of cheaters? Lol.. the fact that he didn't admit to this before he was called out on it pretty much makes it obvious that he's a cheater. It's not enough to be honest, you must also appear to be honest. Anyone who says "my truth" flirts dangerously with the idea of "not the truth but my truth".

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

@@TheWesterlyWarlock As opposed to Hans who cheated and still seem like a dishonest person capable of cheating? Lets get some perspective here. Hikaru and Magnus has every reason and right to be upset and take this personal, for there is every indication that Hans has cheated more than he has admitted to, and is capable of doing it again. Before Hans I have hardly even heard any notion of people cheating in chess, I mean it would seem a silly thing to do if you have nothing to win by it. I understand Hikaru and Magnus's response even if it is not perfect, I still would take a wounded pride over a dishonest cheater pretending to be sorry while not caring any day!

[@Rotwold]

And Hikaru lied when he signed an NDA and later disclosed the information to help him attack another player. Talk about double standards, apparently it's ok to cheat legal agreements but not in chess😂

[@Max-hi7iv]

Hikaru is a hypocrite in nearly every drama he gets in.

[@Neoh53]

Yeah, KZbinr/Streamer doing drama pay more than chess. Of course he would continue even by going hypocrite

[@Max-hi7iv]

@@Neoh53 especially in the long interview with hikaru I realized he‘s still bitter about being worse than magnus

[@Albi9w]

I don't think it's just for the money. I thinks he's genuinely a little piece of biological waste

[@tacochub4353]

Definitely agree; he seems to have a lot of confirmation bias and only looks for evidence to support his opinion. This undermines the credibility of his findings.

[@aoh4905]

Ur low iQ is showing ​@@Max-hi7iv

[@paularized1]

Magnus had a hissy fit over his loss and Hans paid for it. Pretty brutal imo.

[@grifinorange]

This is how it has come across to me too.

[@Bhubnipz]

If Hans didn’t have a hidden past of cheating, he wouldn’t have suffered anything. Hell, Magnus would have never felt the way he did if Hans hadn’t been a proven cheater

[@___Truth___]

@@Bhubnipz Hans has a past in cheating OTB?😊

[@Bhubnipz]

@@___Truth___ Nah just online. People still apparently look down on that

[@abinjjaimon]

​@Bhubnipz I don't understand why people give a shit if people cheated online for chess, esp if it didn't lead up to/has money involved in one way shape or form, and is merely a metaphorical dick measuring contest between ego-maniacs and narcissists for the leader board. I still think you should be banned regardless for cheating online, but like, why care about it this much, esp since this happened OTB? I agree that people should look at Hans with suspicion due to his past actions, but to continually poke the hornets nest even after no conclusive evidence is sad.

[@nhalsey99]

Playing naked would solve so many problems (not to mention greatly increase interest in co-ed chess)

[@bojkashapirax6283]

Funny as this is, most, if not all standard chess tournaments, are co-ed. There are women-only tournaments as well, but standard tournaments are not barred in any way, save some small, local tournaments. The whole reason the women's division was created was to increase that specific demographics' interest in competitive chess. Women were barred from chess for quite some time, though.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

Tch! How hetero-normative of you. Obviously this would actually increase the amount of interludes for buttsecks.

[@mattsavage9960]

I don't think he cheated he just done something unexpected which has happened before in chess on kore than one occasion. Just because it was magnus carlson that lost. And magnus Carlson who started accusing him with no evidence. Then the wild anal head conspiracy theory hit and everyone magically agreed with no evidence yet again. No its tue simple answer that magnus just lost that day to an unexpected series of moves that presented themselves. As has happened in the past. Lastly Magnus was not looking at his absolute best at the time anyway. He is a sore loser though when he doesn't get his own way on a chessboard for a change. Nobody is perfect all the time

[@DannyRoy09]

Chess players are so fragile, Jesus.

[@farn1991]

@@DannyRoy09 On the verge of Narcissus. Some play it to stroke their ego instead of fun.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

Try explaining that to the emotional children that sniff Magnus farts like it's no tomorrow.

[@QwertyPolikuj]

@EnriqueGil hello

[@huk2617]

You can't even spell his name right so you might not be qualified to talk on the topic

[@DustyCrop]

on baby this is the best video on this subject

[@DustyCrop]

#999 like

[@icedtea7058]

so I have watched this video twice before being recommended it for the third time by youtube . As a chess player ( better than some , worst than some) , The consensus of the chess community is a bit in the middle . He probably didnt cheat against magnus but he definitely cheated more than twice and arguably in a prize money event . For people who think that the chess community is freaking out over a single loss from magnus and believe magnus too much , this is all because Carlsen is known for acknowledging the strength of his opponent and he is literally one of the best player in the history of chess. he is in the GOAT conversations in chess . He may have some bad manners and has thrown some fits over the board but he rarely display actions that he did especially after he became world champion.

[@alexanderustinov3508]

Your voice and your accent are pleasent to listen to. Well done for the documentary!

[@corbin_zip]

thank you. this is a phenomenal video that was very clearly well-researched.

[@Jack-oi8gn]

You are joking, right? This was a terrible analysis that does an awful job at trying to clear hans neimann's name. Just one example: he talks about a data scientist showing(with proof!) an obvious and clear correlation between two metrics (ACPL and ELO). Then says the logic is wrong because there can't be any correlation due to ACPL metric is not very trustworthy in his own little mind. He acts like he disproved an analysis and goes on to the next section in the video, while the point he is trying to make has no sense because the correlation IS THERE and already shown.

[@rul1175]

This youtuber is the type of person who would wear Han's beats.

[@doroteastojsic9426]

Amazing. Keep it up. ❤

[@trainingfaustozampa8645]

This is sooooo well made, i had to leave a comment. I already knew part of the story, but this is so good that i had to watch the entire thing. Much deserved love from Italy....

[@johnnsantos1912]

This was an amazing produced video. Not into chess that much but watched it from start to finish

[@gt0sold1er]

Its pretty weaselly how you brushed aside reasonable claims that this guy cheated in the 35-50 range (much more than he admitted to) and latched on to the 100 number in the report.

[@hyui5096]

Hans improved more because he played more. That simply isn't true. With Chess or any other professional games. Most of the time spent improving in chess or any board or video game is spent analyzing the game and their mistakes. That doesn't mean he must have cheated but the idea that more games = better performance at a professional level is just untrue. Most professional players do spend most of their time on their profession. That is true for almost all games/sports.

[@searsino]

I think the reason for bring up the quantity of games was moreso to demonstrate how much time Hans was devoting to the game. Obviously brute-forcing games does not directly correlate to improvement. However it is well documented that pros utilize coaches, chess theory/history lectures, and even an efficient post-game analysis (you can see this in action through streaming... Hikaru, Magnus, Hans and many other pros offer consistant live commentary and analysis during and after most games).

[@wren4077]

you misunderstood the point if you think the quantity of game was being referred to as solely the quantity of games. It was to show how how much time Hans spent on the game.

[@oritemeit8815]

Playing more = seeing your mistakes more and learn for the future. Use your brain.

[@ArranVid]

@@oritemeit8815 Exactly

[@mylittleelectron6606]

Excellent writing and narration...a thoroughly engaging video. I am now subscribed and looking forward to viewing your other work. I'm certian you'll be over 100,000 subs very soon.

[@BallyBoy95]

This is a remarkable take. Jesus. Bravo for all your hard work.

[@anotherelvis]

The chess website has data that shows that Hans was cheating online until he was 17, but at the same time we have 8 year old players in the World Rapid and Blitz chess championship. This is a weird situation. How much can you demand from a child.

[@tongpoo8985]

He won money through an online tournament in which he cheated. If he developed a system for cheating OTB that he could get away with, he would use it. Unless he massively matured in a couple years which obviously is not the case given the egomaniacal way he conducts himself. He constantly minimizes it and lies about the extent of his cheating in the past. You can hold him to basic ethical standards of competition despite being a "child" (at 17?) because the vast majority of other junior masters compete fairly.

[@Livvvid]

I'm a casual chess viewer and this whole thing made me stop watching Hikaru. That dude is ALWAYS on the wrong side of opinions and drama.

[@1999_reborn]

Only 7 minutes in but you’ve earned a sub. I love the way you structure your videos.

[@karlkastor]

I followed this at the time and this is the most balanced video I have seen, well done

[@ronis3d]

Crazy to me how people who play chess usually are highly intelligent individuals yet could not think this guy cheating some time ago could actually be good enough to beat Magnus? Everyone just jumped on the bandwagon and only few were thinking from a critical point of view. Its like everyone acted as they are the GM's and noone can be better than them so they are the smartest saying and doing smartest things, yet acted completely opposite. Man even chess community can be dumb or shortsighted more like, and i guess that's a lesson of its own. Thanks for this video dude, really put things into perspective. Very well thought out video!

[@TheOneRedlight]

People who are truly sorry don't wait until they are confronted with what they did wrong to apologies. That's just apologizing because you were caught.

[@user-ip1ow7hf8c]

Who tf would apologise if they didn't get caught? You can still be sorry, but you wouldn't ever bring it to attention unless you had to.

[@benmccormick4386]

Really an amazingly well done video. You have a true talent at this.

[@charlesruteal9062]

11:02 LTG reference never fails to brighten my day (though the lightning bolt might have something to do with it).

[@Zzz-j2f]

Lmao glad I’m not the only one that thought that.

[@zacharyjordan399]

This video was fascinating and I felt that you made a solid effort to fairly represent both sides. Really interesting, thanks for this!

[@nikolastoumayan1145]

Honestly, this is one of the best youtube videos I’ve seen in a while. Great structure, and entertaining throughout all 54 minutes. Keep up the good work (even though this video is 8 months old😅)

[@poeticalvision]

There was literally no evidence he cheated against Magnus. Magnus got his ego hurt and he dropped out of the tournament.

[@cooltwittertag]

Which magnus has never done before. Clearly there's something off here. Magnus isnt the kind of person to drop out if he loses, or show much emotion at all.

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

Him being suspecious was reasonable

[@owiowiowi]

Bro, he moved god level precision no one has ever done at the late game. Trust me bro, he is cheating.

[@romanemperor7]

Keep telling yourself that. He cheated once he will cheat again. Also the man is literally insane. Insulting everyone left and right and lying so obviously.

[@cemozdemir6082]

Before this game. Magnus hadnt lost with the white pieces in classical for 5 years. And hadnt lost any game to a player rated lower than 2700 for 10 years and hans was like 2660 at the time. So this is literally an absurd anomally.

[@PhantaminiumTC]

Solid video, the complete dearth of evidence for the longest and the viral anal beads theory made the whole approach to this a mess in real time. Funnily enough if the general chess community knew about Hans cheating before then it would've been a nontroversy this far down the line from the initial incidents. Especially since he so clearly improved and people would've been warier of him earlier. Let the dude get his props now.

[@erictafoya11]

I believe anything franCHISE tells me

[@manostroulis6196]

Was wonderimg how this ended. Great video. And you are right, kudos to Hans for that excellent win againsr such a Great like Magnus

[@AmazingDentist]

Your story-telling is impeccable. Thanks!

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

I beat my dad with black when i was 5. Thats the greatest chess upset of all time.

[@skyzong]

Absolute banger.

[@shadowmerchant]

GREAT ANALYSIS - Kudos, you have clearly put a lot of work into this! I’m a bit late to the game on your vid, but greatly appreciate it nonetheless!

[@aussiemen111]

sad man

[@divinecreation6]

🔪🗡 give me everything you have, now

[@gobbyboyrahh]

Genuinely amazing report on the topic! Thank you for giving an actual non-biased, conscious approach to it. Its so easy to jump to conclusions, but sometimes the outcome isnt what it first appears. Also great analysis about how data misrepresentation can change the outcome entirely. You can control raw data by choosing to present it in a way that suits your narrative. Not enough people question it tbh

[@judedavis92]

That intro man... Earned a like

[@graysong828]

The interview where he analyses his game is far more damning than this video gives it credit for. There’s no excuse for not being able to give variations and being straight up wrong on key moves

[@user-ip1ow7hf8c]

It's pretty common for people that rely on instinct and intuition for their games. Sometimes we do things subconsciously.

@@user-ip1ow7hf8c That's true but it doesn't mean that you can't understand the variations, especially on that level.

[@searsino]

People using that interview as proof of foul play is ridiculous. Hans had just achieved an enormous milestone in his chess career (one that most pros can only dream of). He was dragged infront of the entire chess world just moments after having defeating the greatest player to ever play the game where a very messy and illogical analysis was offered up. All of this while Hans was barely 20 and had only recently started to receive more attention from the chessworld. To ignore or dismiss any of the context around that situation is incredibly uncharitable and likely hypocritical (I would be willing to bet a lot of people might also come across the way he did if placed in a similar situation).

@@searsino but that's not true. He made the analysis messy and illogical, and it doesn't matter if he was barely 20. He could've been 12 or 85, if he can play on that level, he can understand the variations. It's pretty obvious to me. Having a weird reaction when you're in front of the camera is understandable, but this is only one of the many suspicious things. If you put all these together, you will see the picture. There's no proof, but it's still pretty obvious. It's like when you meet someone and there are many red flags. Some people see them, some people don't.

[@urmomma2688]

If one piece of evidence has zero value on its own, it has zero value when added to others. 0+0.... is still 0. Also, you are basically saying "He is a cheater because of vibes". You would not want a justice system based on vibes. Until there is evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, innocence is the default

[@alielb2130]

New sub here...."This video speaks for itself" 😉

[@tepperpepper1047]

Commenting for more engagement. Going beyond smash is always something nice to see

[@martijnmoll]

Nice video man, well done !

[@Cawe]

Great work and research in this video

[@DamePesos]

What an amazing video! Good job!

[@sidhantsinha5426]

Loved your video and research

[@deadpoetz7]

Niemann had a Jeremy Lynn moment and the chess world did not like it

[@jeburk27]

Really great chessumentary. Very easy to watch. It was such an easy watch I didn't realize until minute 37 it was actually professional documentary quality, just from the perspective of our modern youtube/internet culture. Truly fascinating. It drops the facade of timelessness that documentaries typically evoke. I don't mean facade of timelessness as a critique, it is something documentary lovers love about documentaries. It's just really cool to see u put your own spin on a serious subject matter with an almost twitch like spirit.

[@BLiTZzM]

As a person who is as far from chess world as you can be I loved every moment of you cutting thorugh the BS "evidence"! Keep it up, remain sure and remain true.

[@Katanski]

Even a broken watch show's the correct time twice a day.

[@laartwork]

Yes he is a grandmaster she Magnus played poorly. It was bound to happen. It's just that Hans is a great villian.

[@zZz-uq2vr]

And that same broken clock went from 90th to 39th ranked chess player in the world in the last 16 months, maybe that broken clock shows the time at all times of the day correctly ;) that's a go fuck yourself buddy

[@AutismusMaximus1]

Adding Signal Jammers to tournaments would solve the problem.

[@hamzaoulmouden3411]

It was clearly a witch hunt, the crazy thing about it is that it was done by the 2 most influential figures in the sport, so these accusations were believed by default. As for Hans cheking a game that contained the same opening, if you know you're opponent's tendencies when making decision, it could really help you narrow the search field and despite it still being extremely unlikely, I could digest it as being a lucky hit...

[@enotdetcelfer]

I mean if what they published is the most rock solid thing they got, keeping the list private may be the best thing This was a roller coaster, great job considering it all!

[@crestianomisse4613]

This video was beautifully crafted.

[@hideyasumusha7211]

17:44 bro, stop using headphones.

[@aaronlok5936]

Professional glazer Hikaru

[@Lixangel27]

The best video on this topic BY FAR ! Incredible work

[@Strype13]

I know next to nothing about chess, nor have I ever given a single shit about anything related to it. I do, however, greatly appreciate the KZbin algorithm knowing more about my potential interests than I do. Superb presentation, my friend.

[@BSland]

Let's just say how it is Magnus couldn't handle a loss.

[@Rapidchess950]

Hans dumbman cheater

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

Magnus has lost many times and has lost to Hikaru, Prag, Alireza, Anand, Caruana and Nepo and yes he hated loosing these games, of cause he does otherwise he would not be a winner. But that is not the point. The point is that he has a reason to believe Hans has and will cheat. He does not have a reason to believe Hikaru, Prag, Alireza, Anand, Caruana and Nepo has and will cheat. That is what makes the big difference here.

[@edmund1737]

@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution nope. the real reason is that he looks down on hans. At the time he lost, hans was just under 2700. The fact is magnus was just being a sore loser.

[@mjkrh]

​@@edmund1737 Losing to a known cheater.

[@Taiwan-zt4xl]

@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution You said it yourself, one thing is losing against Prag, another thing is losing against Niemann. Magnus got butthurted, that's it. Anyone defending Magnus here is an idiot. No one has PROOF Niemann cheated therefore it would be dumb to believe in that. You dont throw people in jail cause you feel they did something bad.

[@TechSaintHD]

Already know this is about to be a banger

[@evildracko]

I love the part when Carl said "ban jisu"

[@armynyus9123]

Crazy good. Really well done; Especially loved to hear Hikaru reacting on cheating allegations against himself, at 36:00.

[@brianjaramillo5126]

enjoyable video, appreciate the diligence

[@angrybread478]

It's nice to see Hans be the winner in all this when usually the person with the least public charisma is on the losing end. The part where he barely manages to explain his Queen G3 could of been an earl end if he didn't have professionals backing up his mannerisms.

[@andrewdinns1746]

explain? what you talking about. the moves he said he was going to make out of Qg3 would have put him in a worse position than if he had not played it.... how is that explaining? it was holding up a neon sign saying "i cheated".

[@angrybread478]

@andrewdinns1746 exactly, that's why the professionals needed to back him up on the interview otherwise, it would have just ended there, with people thinking he cheated with literally no proof

[@nightshift27]

More in the chess community need to see this.

[@TheSKYeagle]

In any game regardless of online or in real life if you cheat and then proceed to lie about how much you've cheated, you don't deserve another opportunity at redemption. Hans had the opportunity to admit to the extent of his cheating and chose to be untruthful, that's inexcusable. It's a tale that happens in many online games; player gets accused of cheating, player admits to cheating a little, turns out player cheated a lot more than they admitted, player gets banned.

[@mikemike6182]

Lol magnus sympathiser 😂😂 Everyone cheat online, what matter is can u do it on real tournament

[@TheSKYeagle]

@@mikemike6182 but not everyone cheats online for real money against professional players, and then lie about it

[@hedgehog3180]

And what if everyone Hans played against has also cheated and Hans was the only one honest enoguh to admit it?

[@TheSKYeagle]

@@hedgehog3180 that's such a crazy statement to suggest

[@maximilianmusterhans4659]

I disagree. Instead if you have to rely on the personal track record in order to evaluate if someone has cheated in one particular game, then your game setup has to be reorganized for cheating to be impossible.

[@letteracura]

Great video thanks brother best wishes

[@arthurdepina]

This is the best video on the topic and I'm so glad that I can now redirect my non-chess-nerd friends here instead of explaining the whole thing.

[@jarrahtree5130]

Hans cheated. Trust me; i was the beads

[@DwightEisenhower34]

What's the smell like?

[@knaz7468]

Really good video. Edge of the seat recap.

[@MisledUtopia]

I played chess almost daily up until this happened. Rarely play now. No matter who did wrong here, this hurt chess in an undeniable way. You can say he didn't use cheats over the board, but it was proven he has cheated before and they still let him play against people. The idea that they have a "secret list" of cheaters is just another sign of how messed up the chess world is. Boycott that site. Not interested.

[@vintifada7115]

This is very thorough. Thank you

[@johnryan4454]

Best analysis of this I have seen. Good work!

[@BasicallyGoblin]

20:00 it's so rich that Magnus and Hakita have insider knowledge that the largest online platform for their game allows cheating for the sake of profit, and have seemingly never protested this, even in Hans' case, but they will protest that person playing in an enviornment where it's significantly harder to cheat.

[@stealthy9156]

Hang on I know you aren't you the guy pinned in revcord for the Golden sun comment

[@BasicallyGoblin]

@@stealthy9156 how the fuck do you people keep finding me.

[@stealthy9156]

@@BasicallyGoblin someone has to remind you of the hand holding incident

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

​@@stealthy9156Give me context to this please 💀

[@stealthy9156]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher small super niche youtuber discord server stuff I'm just a stalker