Hiki Otoshi Pulling Drop Throw

Hiki Otoshi (Pulling Drop) is an old throw that is still used. This video presents an analysis of the basic application as well as an analysis of some variation.

[@tarasbulba77]

Great. You guys are creating a priceless video library for Judo .Wish I had this in my early Judo days. Thank you 👍👍👍

[@welcomematstevescott]

That is one of our goals Taras. Thank you for your comment.

[@hectorbugarin1169]

thank you for the quick response. I enjoy researching martial art danzan ryu being the main art I practice. This will allow me to have a good conversation with my teacher. I see different groups have variation of the boards I came up learning. I find it expands my tool box when I can get the details. Thanks again, I really enjoy your channel.

[@serekithegreat]

Another great video. Keep posting guys. Greetings from Oklahoma City.

[@agaplinio]

Really like this! ❤

[@welcomematstevescott]

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[@gregorde]

I learned this as drop tai otoshi or seoi otoshi.

[@welcomematstevescott]

You're not alone. A lot of people call it by either name.

[@senseistrange]

Yeah I am voting Tai Otoshi myself. Great video though!

[@martiallife4136]

The last variation is uchi makikomi.

[@jimmyalderson1639]

I thought hikinotoshi was the old name for a throw resembling uki otoshi? Also, what is the actual difference between this throw and tai otoshi? Is a drop to a knee really enough to warrant it being classified as a separate throw? In fact why is tai otoshi called tai otoshi?

[@welcomematstevescott]

While Hiki Otoshi and Tai Otoshi are often considered one in the same or a variation of each other, they are indeed classified as different throws by the Kodokan. The primary difference is that in Hiki Otoshi, Tori drops to one knee and in Tai Otoshi, Tori stays on his feet. Both are considered Te Waza.

[@jimmyalderson1639]

welcomematstevescott and what about in the koshi,i no kata? Is it just the way i'm seeing it or is 'hiki otoshi' not, in the kata, very remeniscent of uki otoshi? It could easily be my eyesight, but it certainly appears to be so to me and the name would imply as much

[@jimmyalderson1639]

welcomematstevescott i've just gone back and rewarched the koshiki no kata and hiki otoshi is DEFINITELY, not a matter of my flawed eyesight, not the same throw presented in this video

[@Budoexplained]

jimmy alderson The techniques in Koshiki no kata are not Judo techniques but rather Kito-Ryu techniques hence the different names. Judo is of a number Jujutsu schools put together and modified, while some schools had similar techniques the often times had different names. Kanō wanted to give them all practical names and remove more poetic ones. You can find some of this information in Tōshirō Daigos book.

[@hectorbugarin1169]

In Danzan Ryu we call it uke otoshi. Is that a name that came up when you where going over all the names of the throw before it be came hiki otoshi?

[@welcomematstevescott]

This technique is one of the oldest in the Kodokan syllabus and has been called Hiki Otoshi since the early days of Kodokan Judo's development. Variations of this throw have gone by other names, but to my knowledge, it's never been called Uki Otoshi. I studied Danzan-ryu (Kodenkan) Jujitsu back in the 1960's and early 1970's and the Uki Otoshi that we practiced (reference-the AJJF Kata Manual, 4th edition, May, 1973) was # 16 in the Kodenkan Nage No Kata and is the same as the Uki Otoshi done in Kodokan Judo. The Hiki Otoshi done (to the best of my memory) in Kodenkan (Danzan-ryu) is in the Danzan-ryu Oku No Kata and quite a bit different than the Hiki Otoshi done in Kodokan Judo. Thanks for your comment and please keep watching our KZbin channel.

[@MrMrbrianbechtel]

thought this was tai otoshi?

[@welcomematstevescott]

Some people do indeed call this throw a variation of Tai Otoshi, but this is actually Hiki Otoshi.

[@josephmalone253]

Very nice. I was looking for an aikido perspective but this is very nice to see a judo one.

[@welcomematstevescott]

Glad it was helpful.

[@MrBluemanworld]

Yup, Judo is awesome on an intergalactic scale!

[@welcomematstevescott]

Thank you for your comment-I agree!

[@wrightearl34]

Nice work

[@welcomematstevescott]

Pleased you like it. Hiki Otoshi is an interesting throw and we enjoyed making this video.