Ultimate CrossFit Natty or Not

[@hillerfit]

35,000 of the views on my Tia video came from "non-subscribers" Dont be like "Therapist" John Roaner. Subscribe. Andrew Hiller OUT

[@katefoster9743]

Long timer subscriber, long time commentary 💪🏻

[@chasebryan9182]

But can we start calling you Andy😂

[@KevinMcCleanCrossFit]

Andrew Hiller Help Me “OUT” I started vlogging my daily CrossFit workouts over here in Ireland 🇮🇪 if any one is interested have a look at my channel thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYnQk3qwbNd0b8U

[@tonyjester7906]

Its a good start. I forget sometimes. Used to annoy me with the in vid reminder. But not so much anymore. Like with commercials when your younger. Your like are people really that mindlessly lead. Getting older i can affirm. Yes lol 😂😆

[@dillondykes5609]

You know the natty or not we want and you’ve got to give the people what they want

[@hillerfit]

They are all tee’d up

[@lmn13]

???

[@Corinna-Mom]

Keep these coming! People can be so naive when it comes to this stuff. And you break it down perfectly!

[@lizr1260]

The point you make starting at 15:50 is spot on.

[@milostea]

I remember Natalie McLain (2013 CG) who struggled with a heavy deadlift (265 lbs) workout that year. She took PEDs to get strong and her body changed dramatically. She admitted to taking PEDs after she got caught.

[@peterparahuz7094]

I am most amused by defense along the lines of "its not PEDs. it's hard work. i've seen them work harder than anyone else." Do people think that PEDs work like magic from a Disney fairy? And that no hard work is necessary?

[@KevinMcCleanCrossFit]

I started vlogging my daily CrossFit workouts over here in Ireland 🇮🇪 if any one is interested have a look at my channel thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYnQk3qwbNd0b8U

[@casualarrogance]

Yes. You take the right steroids and you get shredded even if you lay on your couch all day.

[@sendboi_9726]

Please do more of these! And for others, just subscribe to this guy, he deserves it!

[@jdbaiocco1]

Someone needs to call these phoney's out. Nothing wrong with PED's. Everything wrong with lying. And profiting off it.

[@hillerfit]

Agreed. Take everything you want. Just don't slap the word in the face with the "Oh my doctor gave me it"

[@santiagoferrari1973]

@@hillerfit or sale programming and nutrition like you can get that body just byt excersice and diet. You need gear!

[@SimonGalarneau]

@@santiagoferrari1973 Please call out Mike O'hearn, Awwww!! No one dear to do it !

[@ejutley]

Nov 2013 to Feb 2014.. That's a drastic difference in those photos.

[@hillerfit]

Spot on

[@djsgolfer714]

Lol that first 2015 pic vs earlier… 😅 I actually think looking at photos side by side with a timeframe works pretty well. Keep ‘em comin

[@judsongoding3261]

Can't wait to see the other videos on this! Keep it up dude

[@xchrissimmonsx]

You missed that she popped at a USA Weightlifting competition, super close after that CF pop

[@austinchilds2265]

Insane transformation in such a short time...definitely on something. Kinda looks like Toomey in some of those pics!?? Thanks for bringing this example up, I hadn't heard of her.

[@hillerfit]

Looks like more than Just her.

[@KevinMcCleanCrossFit]

I started vlogging my daily CrossFit workouts over here in Ireland 🇮🇪 if any one is interested have a look at my channel thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYnQk3qwbNd0b8U

[@rrhrrh8210]

The rate of change and the degree of change seems way more in this case.

[@tiny1163]

Another brilliant ‘natty or not’ Andrew ! Very clear to follow and needed to be said ! What the heck is up with Dave Castro? He seems to be in denial about so much drug use in CrossFit. He statement about testing Tia 20 times or so is so naive it’s laughable. For a supposedly straight talking honest bloke who would have hounded drug abusers out of special forces , his blinkered view on abuses in CrossFit is bewildering. That’s all I’ve got on this , Tiny Out !!!🤣👍

[@jesskrezmien_]

I don't even have to watch this to know the answer lol. She switched gears after she busted her Bicep tendon (?) at regionals. Much different now. But THANK YOU bc I forgot about her but I remember being annoyed by how fake her claims were.

[@cm1781]

This is one I’ve been waiting for!

[@taylorparsons5438]

I followed Rachel for years. Her voice was soooo deep by the time she got banned

[@SailorLinx]

compared to crossfit games 2007 and now, you can tell the difference *smh*

[@SuperK75th]

Love your content you keep doing you and laughing all the way to the bank… ( Not a CrossFit person )

[@hillerfit]

Thank you non-CrossFit person!

[@ChaseGr8ness247]

Hiller came for BODIES on this one 😂💯

[@tonyeyles1848]

Beautifully said. No no I'm not using 🤣🤣🤣. It's all diet 🤣🤣🤣. Forget John Roaner, I only saw my dad on school holidays. I'm pretty sure I turned out ok. Detective working in Child Abuse Unit. Keep up the good work. Oh and my No Rep shirts finally arrived. Love them

[@mattynagle5709]

Man I appreciate your movie taste so much 👌🏼😂

[@ChrisMiller-uf7lj]

I tore my bicep off the bone, and I didn’t get any peds! Fucking doctor

[@paulwilliams6827]

Have you seen Greg doucette talking about zac effron on peds good episode and valid for this posting of yours Paul🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@pacnw3069]

She looks like Brooke Ence.

[@larrysupersport]

I was only a little pissed at this until you said she sells a workout/diet program. F THAT!!!

[@arturbcabral]

The body isn’t Amazon Prime, that will arrive in a couple of days 😂😂😂 if someone was debating if Tia is natty or not, I hope you got your clarification here 😂

[@fonfonfonzy1544]

Wish you could do a similar analysis with Froning. Major red flags in his physique and body: hair loss at 25 years old,...

[@RJvanVeen]

Froning played sports his ENTIRE life. So he probably had the underlyibg musculature. Going bald at the age of 25 is not strange, that’s when I started going bald. That could be genetics. Big indicator is his mom’s dad.

[@nickcarter6183]

To be fair a lot of folks start losing hair at 25… Froning could have great physique genetics but bad hair genetics… lol

[@jovialcamper]

Red flag being infertile. Sports- probably started gear young.

[@Kujawa_Powa]

I would love to see an Annie Natty or Not

[@summerw5773]

Love your videos you are genius!!! BTW have you checks Camile LeBlanc Bazine complete transformation with her bodybuilding this is just insane with people doing to their body

[@dillondykes5609]

Is that a track hawk? I can’t recall if you’ve said or not in you grand theft auto video

[@hillerfit]

I wish!! SRT. Still love it though

[@dillondykes5609]

@@hillerfit yeah it’s still badass bro

[@natejohnson310]

Would an albuterol inhaler actually enhance performance without asthma? To my understanding, unless you have inflammation in your airway, it would only increase your heart rate. Basically have the same effect as caffeine.

[@qwizzler]

Yes there's an upper limit how much you can use for WADA testing. There's no formoterol upper limit and you can get a theraputic use exemption for it. It's also more anabolic than albuterol is.

[@HeavyLiftHomeGym]

Based on your experience with an affiliate, would you happen to have a guesstimate for a percentage of athletes on PEDs in any given box?I’m just wondering if we’re entering the steroid era at the local level. Struggling to make quarters or semis or just to podium in local comps = take PEDs?

[@Corinna-Mom]

Omg...it’s very much at the local level because they’re non tested events. There were many boxes in my area where I use to live where the athletes openly talked about them using. They would enter every competition imaginable. But the other competitors were doing the same thing so it just because known that the RX division was the PEDs division and the Intermediate were the natural athletes 😅so sad but so true.

[@christophersean3766]

There is no way Toomey is natty and you can tell by looking at her.

[@christophersean3766]

@Beastbombshell oh I agree she's both. I have been working out over 20 years including college athletics, crossfit gyms, bodybuilding gyms, Hydrox, Spartan races, running clubs, etc.... I have never seen a natty woman look remotely like her and I have seen up close many amazing female athletes. Her shoulder, traps, and arm definition are highly suspicious. I have seen plenty of lean ladies with 6 packs and big legs but the level of vascularity TTC has in her upper body isn't natural for a chick and honestly it would be highly suspicious for a man. All of that combined with her expanding PED gut there is no way she's natty. She's still an incredible athlete and hard worker but nobody should look at her and think that's natty achievable.

[@honed]

Interesting about the inhalers, because half the contestants in high level cross country skiing are on inhalers for their "asthma" - it's a bronchodilator that relaxes and opens the airways...so doesn't that give them a huge advantage? I would think it's the same in crossfit, that it will give you massive assistance in a workout?

[@hannahmichelle7233]

I have moderately bad asthma and I can confirm I still suck more than the average cross fitter. I'd like to think it's not giving me much advantage otherwise I must be really really bad 😂 Definitely if I didn't take it I'd be severely disadvantaged... and probably hospitalised 😂

[@honed]

@@hannahmichelle7233 Totally understandable, if you have asthma and it's medically necessary to have an inhaler I can only imagine how vital it is to your daily life. Not denying that. My comment was about how I find it a little statistically improbable that a high percentage of Olympic athletes have asthma, and that the inhaler could give a certain advantage to those that don't necessarily need it. The prevalence of asthma medication in use among high competitive cross country skiiers, as was my example, is on average 23% (sorry I inflated the number before, it's a aprox 1/4 not 1/2) that's is a high percentage when the prevalence of physician-diagnosed asthma is reported to be 4.3% globally. Maybe they need it maybe they don't, just find it interesting.

[@jeffjackson1187]

A standard Ventolin type inhaler for asthma is not going to give anyone a huge advantage but it can be the difference between competing or not for people with asthma. I have chronic asthma had to use one when I was a high school athlete . I was able to get my asthma to the point of not needing to use a rescue inhaler as a college athlete but it doesn't give you super strength, endurance, etc. I does open your airways though. I don't know what it is like for people without asthma but the effect is not enough that I would let it be an excuse for someone beating me. Hope that perspective helps from some who has used. Lol.

[@Dadplod]

Chicken, Brocoli and Creatine....oh, and sleep...dont forget 8hrs solid sleep!

[@eliezeitlin2431]

Yes!!! The last 2:00 sums up all of influencers bullshit. Thank you. Been saying this stuff for years glad you have the voice!! 🦇

[@angelarono1064]

I agree with this one. With Tia is wasnt just tested by CrossFit but she was also tested by the Olympics in which she competed. If she was on PEDs wouldn’t she be way stronger. Not just a lbs or 2.

[@triwithlaura3138]

Great video!!! Ignoring physique, another reason people think CrossFit is dirty is due to the roundedness of many athletes. They place top in strength, endurance and speed all over the course of 5 days when heavily fatigued. To many this isn't humanly possible - when looked at more closely, does it become statistically improbable? I'd love your view on that 😊 PEDs aren't always visible

[@MandalorDX]

love these videos and I don't disagree with your assessment. However, Roger Clemens didn't look like a PED user, and Strongmen and Powerlifters look completely different than bodybuilders on PED. Keep up the good work.

[@davetonnwrites]

Preach!!!!

[@jamesmichael7448]

Can you also do a natty or not on a male that is not? You so far I think you only did Medeiros but I would like to see the “signs in your opinion”on a male who is doping. I think you’ve only done Tia and this one.

[@mcfarvo]

Big true

[@KeithGreenshields]

Good job

[@Fit_Soccer_Dad]

I believe the half life for Test is 3-4 days

[@beachhousecrossfit]

She also tested + in USAW 🙄

[@ZEUSIJA]

Come on guys, they’re all juiced up big time, every professional athlete in almost every sport that exists!!!

[@sdfdfdg839]

Another banger

[@Firstworse970]

She full of it she's been sauced for quite some time LMAO

[@casualsender2316]

how’s her voice?

[@jorob813]

Phil Toon’s is another one that was insanely obvious just looking through his IG.

[@benjaminhall5784]

How many times does this guy have to say "...but this is only my opinion"??

[@sidhayes6168]

Everytime, and why not ? People do not read or listen very carefully and have to have it drilled into them.

[@4_the_health_of_it]

The Armstrong example is not a good one. First of all Lance Armstrong more than likely was using synthetic EPO and GHG. Prior to 2000, there were no good testing methods that could parse out the endogenous (naturally occurring) forms of EPO from synthetic EPO. Also GHG presented many ambiguous results prior to 2005. Testing for both of these and their metabolites are much better. Also, some of Lance Armstrong’s test results were not exactly negative, some were simply ambiguous and we know that the physician for his team (who has since lost his license) was providing constant low levels of testosterone under the tongue using olive oil. Finally, after every EPO, GHG and testosterone infusion, the cyclists were giving large saline IV solutions. These can obscure a lot of test. Most modern labs connected to WADA are keen to these methods and most will not simply test for the substance but the metabolites and look for dilute urine as a way to suggests further testing is necessary. Metabolites have longer half lives and diluted urine is lot harder to clear during the time at which one would want to cheat the test. This is not to suggest that one cannot find ways to cheat the test, it is just a lot harder now than it was say 20 some years ago.

[@benwhitnell]

What you’ve pointed out is the fundamental problem with all PED testing though. There is more incentive to cheat than there is to catch someone cheating. There’s always something new, there’s always a way to fool the test, and there always will be. Look at what happens to weight lifters when you go back and test the samples from 10 years ago. All of the sudden these guys that never popped once are stripped of their spots 10 years in arrears because they were using the latest and greatest.

[@4_the_health_of_it]

@@benwhitnell would I agree that testing often is playing catch up? But I don’t know that that is the driving incentive. I think having millions of followers on social media and making six+ figures in income can be an incentive for some.

[@parker5225]

Liverpool FC, a top level soccer team in England is currently under fire because 70% of there players have been diagnosed with Asthma, and currently have inhalers.

[@davidboyle9732]

good enough

[@besteverskin]

I am slightly insulted about the inhaler comparison lmao

[@sidhayes6168]

relax

[@Largemarge0418]

I’ve heard you run next to me. You need a fkn inhaler

[@eric78660]

“And the truth shall set you free” -Jim Carrey “Liar, Liar”

[@GDTheTrain13]

💯 PED’s. And 🤣😂🤣 at Dr giving her Anavar for a torn bicep. Lol

[@libbybudack]

Haha, get 'em, Andrew!

[@tustme187]

Of course you work hard duh people. You work even harder when you see faster results.

[@thereececarter]

🔥🔥🔥🔥...

[@chucknoob7041]

Just for fun, You should do an unbiased (if possible) natty or not video on yourself. Comment if you think Andrew would think he’s on the juice!

[@timmyllymaki8164]

Don’t ped just make u 10-20% better? That’s was all the elite powerlifters say when they go unnatty

[@sruel3216]

lance said EPO gave him a 10% edge. but lance didnt do roids...he simply injected his own blood back into himself. thats natty to me lol

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

Wowowowow

[@BDGKruger]

Fair 😆

[@sebulbathx]

Having fake amount of followers is the most funny thing ever. I mean if you have a couple of thousand followers but only get hundred likes it just looks bad and makes no sense and I wonder sometimes why people has it because it's somewhat easy to spot or at least suspect what is going on.

[@horses200121]

Body is not Amazon Prime….that’s funny

[@tonyjester7906]

My cousin was throwing 400 plus over head..we have good genetics innour family. Not sure that good. We all suspect PED,S LOL

[@fittestathletics8345]

Just dont do a nattyornot on froning. Let us keep dreaming.

[@katefoster9743]

Yeah nah - good try and you get extra points for the Ace Ventura reference (just wait longer 😂)! But not same level as your other clip(s) on Tia. In order to be fair, next target needs to be a high profile male athlete (that hasn’t already popped).

[@katie7674]

🍿

[@mcpilot100]

What about the face? Meaning - her facial transformation is unsettling. The 2013 Bikini shoot pcs vs. the current pics, esp when seen side by side, loom like almost another person. Also, she's quite a grifter.

[@davidgdmz4551]

IDK, gotta feel sorry for this young generation. How are they going to navigate basic real life relationships. Meaning > imagine your the guy who marries her { Rachel Cambell } HOW is she going to make the massive transition to MUNDANE regular life with a guy working 9-5 after 100% of her life AFTER being 100% of everyday is gym day, nutrition calorie protien counting day AND > LOOKY LOOK at my latest fitness pictures, look at my lower ab definition 2 inches above V-yay-yay. This gym, fitness, look at my body IG generation has gone stark raving mad. You all are not normal people, at all.

[@tonyjester7906]

I watched team richie since he started andrew. Wondered if when he introduced product and made it if he would be grown up enough to remember whennhe started. Or would his head be the only thing that would grow. My first disappointment came while pushing a product hstl. Made was when his girl jazz who i loved as was. Grew a chest that was nit hstl made. I continued to watch with distaine. It was nit till he blocked u and excluded himself to the political click he has hitched his wagon to. I had realized how small he had become to believe everyones opinion matters they were getting slack which i figured would happen when speed is attached. There is noone above scrutiny. Every ither day one is getting caught ped,s. I winder always if they r lambs to the slaughter scape goats. And just as richy needs to dismiss the possibility for his livelyhood u wonder how many other people develope blind eyes towards the select hero CLICK. paying attention is not negative its what sharpens the knife ask the military which crossfit is nothing more then a derivative of

[@andrescast]

Hiller’s trying to be coach Greg so bad. From intensely lecturing/talking at his audience to critiquing everyone in the industry… even took coach Greg’s “it doesn’t matter” rock meme. And now openly sharing with us his TRT doses and doing Natty or Nots. Literally a coach Greg impersonator to a T, but for CF. Lmao. Not hating btw, just to people who watch coach Greg this is such a copy of his style/content except it’s for CF instead of fitness/Bodybuilding. Do your thing mini-Greg Hiller aka Andrew Ducette!

[@JBoudreaux0712]

Maybe her body is FedEx.

[@Feierkind86]

That is HGH and Testo mate 😅

[@peterparahuz7094]

touchdown!

[@mattpeters6224]

Paper thin. Looked better as a CrossFitter.

[@coachclay3319]

I appreciate your content. But your Tia video (argument) wasn’t very good. Sorry, it just wasn’t. For every person on gear that you can collect a photo album of crazy transformation, you can find a person who is Natty that has an amazing photo album of transformation. I love with a Natty that has crazy transformation. I work out with another. So, the topic is irresistible click bait and I’m glad it is driving traffic to your channel. Hopefully you’ll keep at the movement accountability content as well.

[@banks7714]

She's on something that's not legal, end of story.

[@evskiicf3998]

Respectfully you’re wrong. Yes you can see people who are Natty have a crazy transformation. That’s people with very little fitness experience or high body fat though. They have the room for the improvement. Not someone who has decades of high level training and low body fat %. Tia Toomey had already got 2nd at 2 CrossFit games. At that high of a level, there isn’t that much room for huge improvement. That’s why no high level fitness athletes are showing up looking way different each year. They’re already at the peak, it’s fractions of a percent of improvement each year. I’ve got a degree in fitness management/personal training. Have worked with powerlifters, cross fitters, strongmen, Highland games athletes, and your everyday average person just trying to be healthy. No high level athlete is showing up with a transformation like Toomey without some drugs. And yes, several of the athletes I’ve worked with are on PED’s so I’m aware of how this whole thing works

[@triwithlaura3138]

What would be a strong argument then?

[@rrhrrh8210]

Maybe this argument could clear Emily Abbott?

[@nifer77]

There are several arguments not just one. And they are all rock solid. The answer just wasn't the one you wanted, I guess.

[@tonyjester7906]

There at every corner drug store now arrent they

[@Zoet50]

Are you sure you’re just not jealous she has better quads than you :)

[@eriksselickis5591]

In my opinion, all your doping-related videos will only increase the number of people using drugs in the sport. It is entertaining but I realized the more I watch your videos the more I taint my mind with thinking that sport is tainted (maybe it is, maybe it's not). Someone who thinks that there is doping in every corner will ultimately only weaken their mind. Thank you for the short entertainment, unsubscribing!